The Death Throes of Democracy

[PoliticalChic]

1. Funny how ironic the Liberal/Progressive motto 'from cradle to grave' turned out to be.

American democracy survived from it's birth.....the cradle.....until the primacy of the Liberals/Progressive: the regime of the 32nd President.
FDR dug its grave.

....American democracy, as defined by the United States Constitution, ended up in the grave.




2. As imagined by our Founders, the nation was balanced by checks imposed by conflicting motives and views.
The operating manual, the Constitution, set specific functions for the federal government, and reserved the rest for the states and for the individual citizens.


a. "Our Founders envisioned the states as laboratories of democracy and enshrined into our Constitution the principle of federalism. Under federalist principles, the American people endowed the national government with a defined set of limited, enumerated powers in the Constitution. Any powers beyond those specifically given to the federal government fall entirely within the province of the states. Federalism protects liberty by protecting against the overreaching of any one branch of our federal government, and is part of the uniquely American system of checks and balances."
Paloma Zepeda, "Reinventing the Right."


b. The idea that the reach of the federal government would be restricted to a few enumerated powers is articulated by Madison in Federalist No. 45:

"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite."






This is a good time to consider two points about America:

a. Do you agree with the Founders about checks and balances, or would you rather be governed by a vast government with no restrictions on what it can do?

b. Do you weight how you vote in light of your decision about 'a.' above?



3. That brings me to the 32nd President, and how his reign ended the guidance of the Constitution. Giving Roosevelt the benefit of the doubt, let's assume that he had the best interests of America at heart, he wanted to cure the recession that Hoover's plans produced.....a recession that was turning into a depression....

a. "Unemployment in 1930 averaged a mildly recessionary 8.9 percent, up from 3.2 percent in 1929. It shot up rapidly until peaking out at more than 25 percent in 1933.... . If this crash had been like previous ones, the hard times would have ended in two or three years at the most, and likely sooner than that. But unprecedented political bungling instead prolonged the misery for over 10 years." Great Myths of the Great Depression | Lawrence W. Reed

b. While "The Depression" is probably the only economic downturn ever studied in government schools, few ever speak of any depressions or recessions prior to the "Great Depression."
Know how many there were?
Over thirty. And the average length was a couple of years.
List of recessions in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

c. "The Great Depression(1929-39) was the deepest andlongest-lasting economic downturn in the history of the Western industrialized world. In the United States, ..." The Great Depression - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com


It sure was a good excuse for overturning the Constitution.

 

[there4eyeM]

The grave was dug by the Civil War. The failings of the Constitution caused that conflict. Succeeding generations of vicious intent aided by general apathy have nudged the nation into any grave we might talk about. The dirt has not yet been kick in over it. Something could happen to save it. People could wake up to responsibility and sanity. That won't be done by continuing the sad and tired dualism so rampant on the current scene.

 

[Moonglow]

This is a republic, in case you haven't been told...

 

[billyerock1991]

1. Funny how ironic the Liberal/Progressive motto 'from cradle to grave' turned out to be.

American democracy survived from it's birth.....the cradle.....until the primacy of the Liberals/Progressive: the regime of the 32nd President.
FDR dug its grave.

....American democracy, as defined by the United States Constitution, ended up in the grave.




2. As imagined by our Founders, the nation was balanced by checks imposed by conflicting motives and views.
The operating manual, the Constitution, set specific functions for the federal government, and reserved the rest for the states and for the individual citizens.


a. "Our Founders envisioned the states as laboratories of democracy and enshrined into our Constitution the principle of federalism. Under federalist principles, the American people endowed the national government with a defined set of limited, enumerated powers in the Constitution. Any powers beyond those specifically given to the federal government fall entirely within the province of the states. Federalism protects liberty by protecting against the overreaching of any one branch of our federal government, and is part of the uniquely American system of checks and balances."
Paloma Zepeda, "Reinventing the Right."


b. The idea that the reach of the federal government would be restricted to a few enumerated powers is articulated by Madison in Federalist No. 45:

"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite."






This is a good time to consider two points about America:

a. Do you agree with the Founders about checks and balances, or would you rather be governed by a vast government with no restrictions on what it can do?

b. Do you weight how you vote in light of your decision about 'a.' above?



3. That brings me to the 32nd President, and how his reign ended the guidance of the Constitution. Giving Roosevelt the benefit of the doubt, let's assume that he had the best interests of America at heart, he wanted to cure the recession that Hoover's plans produced.....a recession that was turning into a depression....

a. "Unemployment in 1930 averaged a mildly recessionary 8.9 percent, up from 3.2 percent in 1929. It shot up rapidly until peaking out at more than 25 percent in 1933.... . If this crash had been like previous ones, the hard times would have ended in two or three years at the most, and likely sooner than that. But unprecedented political bungling instead prolonged the misery for over 10 years." Great Myths of the Great Depression | Lawrence W. Reed

b. While "The Depression" is probably the only economic downturn ever studied in government schools, few ever speak of any depressions or recessions prior to the "Great Depression."
Know how many there were?
Over thirty. And the average length was a couple of years.
List of recessions in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

c. "The Great Depression(1929-39) was the deepest andlongest-lasting economic downturn in the history of the Western industrialized world. In the United States, ..." The Great Depression - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com


It sure was a good excuse for overturning the Constitution.

What have you gone from your 1, 2 3, 4 post to A,B,C,D,E,F,G post which by they wall they are all full of bull shit

 

[NYcarbineer]

1. Funny how ironic the Liberal/Progressive motto 'from cradle to grave' turned out to be.

American democracy survived from it's birth.....the cradle.....until the primacy of the Liberals/Progressive: the regime of the 32nd President.
FDR dug its grave.

....American democracy, as defined by the United States Constitution, ended up in the grave.




2. As imagined by our Founders, the nation was balanced by checks imposed by conflicting motives and views.
The operating manual, the Constitution, set specific functions for the federal government, and reserved the rest for the states and for the individual citizens.


a. "Our Founders envisioned the states as laboratories of democracy and enshrined into our Constitution the principle of federalism. Under federalist principles, the American people endowed the national government with a defined set of limited, enumerated powers in the Constitution. Any powers beyond those specifically given to the federal government fall entirely within the province of the states. Federalism protects liberty by protecting against the overreaching of any one branch of our federal government, and is part of the uniquely American system of checks and balances."
Paloma Zepeda, "Reinventing the Right."


b. The idea that the reach of the federal government would be restricted to a few enumerated powers is articulated by Madison in Federalist No. 45:

"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite."






This is a good time to consider two points about America:

a. Do you agree with the Founders about checks and balances, or would you rather be governed by a vast government with no restrictions on what it can do?

b. Do you weight how you vote in light of your decision about 'a.' above?



3. That brings me to the 32nd President, and how his reign ended the guidance of the Constitution. Giving Roosevelt the benefit of the doubt, let's assume that he had the best interests of America at heart, he wanted to cure the recession that Hoover's plans produced.....a recession that was turning into a depression....

a. "Unemployment in 1930 averaged a mildly recessionary 8.9 percent, up from 3.2 percent in 1929. It shot up rapidly until peaking out at more than 25 percent in 1933.... . If this crash had been like previous ones, the hard times would have ended in two or three years at the most, and likely sooner than that. But unprecedented political bungling instead prolonged the misery for over 10 years." Great Myths of the Great Depression | Lawrence W. Reed

b. While "The Depression" is probably the only economic downturn ever studied in government schools, few ever speak of any depressions or recessions prior to the "Great Depression."
Know how many there were?
Over thirty. And the average length was a couple of years.
List of recessions in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

c. "The Great Depression(1929-39) was the deepest andlongest-lasting economic downturn in the history of the Western industrialized world. In the United States, ..." The Great Depression - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com


It sure was a good excuse for overturning the Constitution.

Unemployment peaked in FDR's first year in office, and yet nuts like PoliticalChic blame him for that high unemployment as if he'd been in office since 1930.

 

[jon_berzerk]

but the shovel is close by

 

[NYcarbineer]

1. Funny how ironic the Liberal/Progressive motto 'from cradle to grave' turned out to be.

American democracy survived from it's birth.....the cradle.....until the primacy of the Liberals/Progressive: the regime of the 32nd President.
FDR dug its grave.

....American democracy, as defined by the United States Constitution, ended up in the grave.




2. As imagined by our Founders, the nation was balanced by checks imposed by conflicting motives and views.
The operating manual, the Constitution, set specific functions for the federal government, and reserved the rest for the states and for the individual citizens.


a. "Our Founders envisioned the states as laboratories of democracy and enshrined into our Constitution the principle of federalism. Under federalist principles, the American people endowed the national government with a defined set of limited, enumerated powers in the Constitution. Any powers beyond those specifically given to the federal government fall entirely within the province of the states. Federalism protects liberty by protecting against the overreaching of any one branch of our federal government, and is part of the uniquely American system of checks and balances."
Paloma Zepeda, "Reinventing the Right."


b. The idea that the reach of the federal government would be restricted to a few enumerated powers is articulated by Madison in Federalist No. 45:

"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite."






This is a good time to consider two points about America:

a. Do you agree with the Founders about checks and balances, or would you rather be governed by a vast government with no restrictions on what it can do?

b. Do you weight how you vote in light of your decision about 'a.' above?



3. That brings me to the 32nd President, and how his reign ended the guidance of the Constitution. Giving Roosevelt the benefit of the doubt, let's assume that he had the best interests of America at heart, he wanted to cure the recession that Hoover's plans produced.....a recession that was turning into a depression....

a. "Unemployment in 1930 averaged a mildly recessionary 8.9 percent, up from 3.2 percent in 1929. It shot up rapidly until peaking out at more than 25 percent in 1933.... . If this crash had been like previous ones, the hard times would have ended in two or three years at the most, and likely sooner than that. But unprecedented political bungling instead prolonged the misery for over 10 years." Great Myths of the Great Depression | Lawrence W. Reed

b. While "The Depression" is probably the only economic downturn ever studied in government schools, few ever speak of any depressions or recessions prior to the "Great Depression."
Know how many there were?
Over thirty. And the average length was a couple of years.
List of recessions in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

c. "The Great Depression(1929-39) was the deepest andlongest-lasting economic downturn in the history of the Western industrialized world. In the United States, ..." The Great Depression - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com


It sure was a good excuse for overturning the Constitution.

What have you gone from your 1, 2 3, 4 post to A,B,C,D,E,F,G post which by they wall they are all full of bull shit

She's lost this argument a dozen times on this forum, but keeps restarting it, as if she'll get a different outcome.

I think we know what that behaviour is the definition of.

 

[billyerock1991]

politicalshit said:
1. Funny how ironic the Liberal/Progressive motto 'from cradle to grave' turned out to be.

American democracy survived from it's birth.....the cradle.....until the primacy of the Liberals/Progressive: the regime of the 32nd President.
FDR dug its grave.

....American democracy, as defined by the United States Constitution, ended up in the grave.

lets see leading up to the 1929 stock market crash what did the republicans do they started deregulating the banks then in 1929 with out any safety nets for the country the country crashed and burned ... sound familiar politicalbullshit ??? 2008 the republicans deregulated the banking and we had what almost again politicalbullshit ??? another great depression... thanks to liberals /dems pulling you republicans out again out of the mess they made again ... you can't stand the fact the liberals/dems do better for the country and republicans, run it into the ground every time they get in control by deregulating laws ... you can stand the fact the FDR turns this republican mess around and you can't stand the fact that Obama has turn this last republican disaster of leader ship around again ...

 

[NYcarbineer]

This is a republic, in case you haven't been told...

No, it's a democracy. It's one of those great myths in politics and government topics that democracy is a term limited only to describing 'direct democracy'.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Conservatives like PC think that the reason they keep losing politically is because the system has somehow been nefariously rigged against them.

Wrong. You conservatives lose because you can't get enough votes to win.

 

[billyerock1991]

politicalbullshit said:
2. As imagined by our Founders, the nation was balanced by checks imposed by conflicting motives and views.
The operating manual, the Constitution, set specific functions for the federal government, and reserved the rest for the states and for the individual citizens.


a. "Our Founders envisioned the states as laboratories of democracy and enshrined into our Constitution the principle of federalism. Under federalist principles, the American people endowed the national government with a defined set of limited, enumerated powers in the Constitution. Any powers beyond those specifically given to the federal government fall entirely within the province of the states. Federalism protects liberty by protecting against the overreaching of any one branch of our federal government, and is part of the uniquely American system of checks and balances."
Paloma Zepeda, "Reinventing the Right."


b. The idea that the reach of the federal government would be restricted to a few enumerated powers is articulated by Madison in Federalist No. 45:

"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite."

1. Funny how ironic the Liberal/Progressive motto 'from cradle to grave' turned out to be.

American democracy survived from it's birth.....the cradle.....until the primacy of the Liberals/Progressive: the regime of the 32nd President.
FDR dug its grave.

....American democracy, as defined by the United States Constitution, ended up in the grave.




2. As imagined by our Founders, the nation was balanced by checks imposed by conflicting motives and views.
The operating manual, the Constitution, set specific functions for the federal government, and reserved the rest for the states and for the individual citizens.


a. "Our Founders envisioned the states as laboratories of democracy and enshrined into our Constitution the principle of federalism. Under federalist principles, the American people endowed the national government with a defined set of limited, enumerated powers in the Constitution. Any powers beyond those specifically given to the federal government fall entirely within the province of the states. Federalism protects liberty by protecting against the overreaching of any one branch of our federal government, and is part of the uniquely American system of checks and balances."
Paloma Zepeda, "Reinventing the Right."


b. The idea that the reach of the federal government would be restricted to a few enumerated powers is articulated by Madison in Federalist No. 45:

"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite."






This is a good time to consider two points about America:

a. Do you agree with the Founders about checks and balances, or would you rather be governed by a vast government with no restrictions on what it can do?

b. Do you weight how you vote in light of your decision about 'a.' above?



3. That brings me to the 32nd President, and how his reign ended the guidance of the Constitution. Giving Roosevelt the benefit of the doubt, let's assume that he had the best interests of America at heart, he wanted to cure the recession that Hoover's plans produced.....a recession that was turning into a depression....

a. "Unemployment in 1930 averaged a mildly recessionary 8.9 percent, up from 3.2 percent in 1929. It shot up rapidly until peaking out at more than 25 percent in 1933.... . If this crash had been like previous ones, the hard times would have ended in two or three years at the most, and likely sooner than that. But unprecedented political bungling instead prolonged the misery for over 10 years." Great Myths of the Great Depression | Lawrence W. Reed

b. While "The Depression" is probably the only economic downturn ever studied in government schools, few ever speak of any depressions or recessions prior to the "Great Depression."
Know how many there were?
Over thirty. And the average length was a couple of years.
List of recessions in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

c. "The Great Depression(1929-39) was the deepest andlongest-lasting economic downturn in the history of the Western industrialized world. In the United States, ..." The Great Depression - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com


It sure was a good excuse for overturning the Constitution.

What have you gone from your 1, 2 3, 4 post to A,B,C,D,E,F,G post which by they wall they are all full of bull shit

She's lost this argument a dozen times on this forum, but keeps restarting it, as if she'll get a different outcome.

I think we know what that behaviour is the definition of.

isn't that the definition of crazy

 

[jon_berzerk]

although ARTICLE IV, SECTION 4 guarantees each state a republican form of government

libtards claim that we are not a republic

--LOL

 

[billyerock1991]

although ARTICLE IV, SECTION 4 guarantees each state a republican form of government

libtards claim that we are not a republic

--LOL

don't ya love the bull shit from these righties ... they can make any kind of claim they want and we on the
left can't make any kind of claim whats so ever .... cause it doesn't work with their single minded values .... please point out where any liberals/dems has made these so-called claim that you fabricate in your head ... you can't ... all ya got is nut jobs like you making these false accusations believing what you think liberals/dems are ...

 

[PoliticalChic]

4. OK....so maybe Franklin Roosevelt was actually trying to end the depression.....never mind that he made it last longer, by a multiple of five, from most previous depressions/recessions.....

I said never mind!


What you should 'mind' is where he looked for the solution! Hint: In 1933, Fascism was celebrating its eleventh year in power, in Italy, and the election of the National Socialists in Germany represented an unmitigated defeat for liberal democracy in Europe’s largest industrialized nation. Schivelbusch, "Three New Deals"


Instead of looking for a solution to the downturn, at Republican Warren Harding's 1-year solution to a comparable downturn,......he looked to copy the polices of Benito Mussolini, Fascist, in Italy.

The reason, of course, is that Roosevelt was as much a Leftwinger as Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin, or Sorel....and felt very much at home with their aims....so why not their policies?


a. Mussolini wrote a book review of Roosevelt’s book, “Looking Forward,” in which he said “…[as] Roosevelt here calls his readers to battle, is reminiscent of the ways and means by which Fascism awakened the Italian people.” Popolo d’Italia, July 7, 1933.


b. In 1934, Mussolini wrote a review of “New Frontiers,” by FDR’s Sec’y of Agriculture, later Vice-President, Henry Wallace: “Wallace’s answer to what America wants is as follows: anything but a return tyo the free-market, i.e., anarchistic economy. Where is America headed? This book leaves no doubt that it is on the road to corporatism, the economic system of the current century.” Marco Sedda, Il politico, vol. 64, p. 263, and Schivelbusch, Op. Cit.


All hail il Duce Roosevelt!

 

[Moonglow]

Hoover couldn't do anything to stop or change the course of the Great Depression, he had plenty of time according to Polichicken..

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

politicalshit said:
1. Funny how ironic the Liberal/Progressive motto 'from cradle to grave' turned out to be.

American democracy survived from it's birth.....the cradle.....until the primacy of the Liberals/Progressive: the regime of the 32nd President.
FDR dug its grave.

....American democracy, as defined by the United States Constitution, ended up in the grave.

lets see leading up to the 1929 stock market crash what did the republicans do they started deregulating the banks then in 1929 with out any safety nets for the country the country crashed and burned ... sound familiar politicalbullshit ??? 2008 the republicans deregulated the banking and we had what almost again politicalbullshit ??? another great depression... thanks to liberals /dems pulling you republicans out again out of the mess they made again ... you can't stand the fact the liberals/dems do better for the country and republicans, run it into the ground every time they get in control by deregulating laws ... you can stand the fact the FDR turns this republican mess around and you can't stand the fact that Obama has turn this last republican disaster of leader ship around again ...

WWII turned the 1930's mess around. FDR's programs actually exacerbated it.

Obama has done nothing of benefit for the nation as a whole. At best, he has aided his favorite protected-status groups, freed up assets for the Islamists, and alienated what allies we have left.

 

[Katzndogz]

Democracies only exist until the people start voting themselves benefits from the public treasury. We are just proving that. In his address to Congress in support of the Constitution, Ben Franklin said that someday the people would become corrupt and require corrupt leadership. We have reached that time.

 

[irosie91]

I do not UNDERSTAND economics------but "believe" (on simple faith) that
economic depressions occur cyclically-------somehow-----for who-knows-what
reason because the smart guys who DO understand ----say so. There are economic depressions described in the bible

 

[jon_berzerk]

although ARTICLE IV, SECTION 4 guarantees each state a republican form of government

libtards claim that we are not a republic

--LOL

don't ya love the bull shit from these righties ... they can make any kind of claim they want and we on the
left can't make any kind of claim whats so ever .... cause it doesn't work with their single minded values .... please point out where any liberals/dems has made these so-called claim that you fabricate in your head ... you can't ... all ya got is nut jobs like you making these false accusations believing what you think liberals/dems are ...

billyracket --LOL-- talk about single mindedness --LOL -- better look in the mirror

 

[billyerock1991]

4. OK....so maybe Franklin Roosevelt was actually trying to end the depression.....never mind that he made it last longer, by a multiple of five, from most previous depressions/recessions.....

I said never mind!


What you should 'mind' is where he looked for the solution! Hint: In 1933, Fascism was celebrating its eleventh year in power, in Italy, and the election of the National Socialists in Germany represented an unmitigated defeat for liberal democracy in Europe’s largest industrialized nation. Schivelbusch, "Three New Deals"


Instead of looking for a solution to the downturn, at Republican Warren Harding's 1-year solution to a comparable downturn,......he looked to copy the polices of Benito Mussolini, Fascist, in Italy.

The reason, of course, is that Roosevelt was as much a Leftwinger as Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin, or Sorel....and felt very much at home with their aims....so why not their policies?


a. Mussolini wrote a book review of Roosevelt’s book, “Looking Forward,” in which he said “…[as] Roosevelt here calls his readers to battle, is reminiscent of the ways and means by which Fascism awakened the Italian people.” Popolo d’Italia, July 7, 1933.


b. In 1934, Mussolini wrote a review of “New Frontiers,” by FDR’s Sec’y of Agriculture, later Vice-President, Henry Wallace: “Wallace’s answer to what America wants is as follows: anything but a return tyo the free-market, i.e., anarchistic economy. Where is America headed? This book leaves no doubt that it is on the road to corporatism, the economic system of the current century.” Marco Sedda, Il politico, vol. 64, p. 263, and Schivelbusch, Op. Cit.


All hail il Duce Roosevelt!

look fool,with no safety nets back then we had to do things to turn it around the mess your republicans made ... if it didn't work he tried something else ... there wasn't any kind of guide lines on how to stop the republicans from fucking the country up more ... this less government bull shit has put us in a bind every time they tried it ... and once again people like you, single minded, comes out with these far reaching post ... that really has nothing to do about anything but to let you bitch about it ... you can't stand that liberals/dems have been better leaders then any republican sense Lincoln