the cover up by israel of the bombing of the uss liberty

[strollingbones]

The USS Liberty Cover-Up

A former Navy attorney who helped lead the military investigation of the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that killed 34 American servicemen says former President Lyndon Johnson and his defense secretary, Robert McNamara, ordered that the inquiry conclude the incident was an accident.

In a signed affidavit released at a Capitol Hill news conference, retired Capt. Ward Boston said Johnson and McNamara told those heading the Navy's inquiry to "conclude that the attack was a case of 'mistaken identity' despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary."

It was "one of the classic all-American cover-ups," said retired Admiral Thomas Moorer, a former Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman who spent a year investigating the attack as part of an independent panel he formed with other former military officials. The panel also included a former US ambassador to Saudi Arabia, James Akins.

Torpedo hole in USS Liberty

"Why would our government put Israel's interests ahead of our own?" Moorer asked from his wheelchair at the news conference. He was chief of naval operations at the time of the attack.

Moorer, who has long held that the attack was a deliberate act, wants Congress to investigate


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Israel attacked the USS Liberty using UNMARKED AIRCRAFT. This is the single fact which proves Israel knew exactly who they were attacking. Israel's story is that they thought USS Liberty was an Egyptian ship and therefore a legitimate target of war. Were that true, there would be no reason to attack a supposedly Egyptian ship with unmarked aircraft. The only possible reason to use unmarked aircraft to attack the ship is that Israel knew it was an American ship and intended to sink it, then to blame the attack on Egypt.

Moorer, who as top legal council to the official investigation is in a position to know, agrees that Israel intended to sink the USS Liberty and blame Egypt for it, thus dragging the United States into a war on Israel's behalf. This seems to be a common trick of Israel. Starting with the Lavon affair, through the USS Liberty, to the fake radio transmitter that tricked Reagan into attacking Libya, to potentially 9-11 itself, Israel's game is to frame Arabs and set them up as targets for the United States.

The official US investigation is discredited. And with it, every claim of innocence for Israel that relied on the official investigation as a source.

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remember the uss liberty the men on that ship will soon all be dead and gone and both the us and israeli government hopes forgotten.....


REMEMBER THE USS LIBERTY AND THE BETRAYAL OF THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL

 

[strollingbones]

O and fuck all you assholes who run around with the yellow support our troops and give lip service to it...then turned your backs on the men of the uss liberty

 

[Shogun]

hehehe... you know damn well this is going into the conspiracy forum.

 

[strollingbones]

why it is all factual? i do not think a man as proud of his military service would insult the men of the uss liberty by moving this thread? Find one thing said in there that is not true? I can back it up with pages of evidence.

 

[strollingbones]

has provided Israel with nearly $3 billion to develop weapons systems and given Israel access to some of the most sophisticated items in its own military arsenal, including Blackhawk attack helicopters and F-16 fighter jets. The United States also gives Israel access to intelligence it denies to its NATO allies. And when Israel refused to sign the nuclear nonproliferation treaty, the United States stood by without a word of protest as the Israelis built the region’s first nuclear weapons program.

U.S. foreign policy, especially under the current Bush administration, has become little more than an extension of Israeli foreign policy. The United States since 1982 has vetoed 32 Security Council resolutions critical of Israel, more than the total number of vetoes cast by all the other Security Council members. It refuses to enforce the Security Council resolutions it claims to support. These resolutions call on Israel to withdraw from the occupied territories.

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President Bush, facing dwindling support for the war in Iraq, publicly holds Israel up as a model for what he would like Iraq to become. Imagine how this idea plays out on the Arab street, which views Israel as the Algerians viewed the French colonizers during the war of liberation.

“In Israel,” Bush said recently, “terrorists have taken innocent human life for years in suicide attacks. The difference is that Israel is a functioning democracy and it’s not prevented from carrying out its responsibilities. And that’s a good indicator of success that we’re looking for in Iraq.”

Americans are increasingly isolated and reviled in the world. They remain blissfully ignorant of their own culpability for this isolation. U.S. “spin” paints the rest of the world as unreasonable, but Israel, Americans are assured, will always be on our side.

Israel is reaping economic as well as political rewards from its lock-down apartheid state. In the “gated community” market it has begun to sell systems and techniques that allow the nation to cope with terrorism. Israel, in 2006, exported $3.4 billion in defense products—well over a billion dollars more than it received in American military aid. Israel has grown into the fourth largest arms dealer in the world. Most of this growth has come in the so-called homeland security sector.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070702_a_declaration_of_independence_from_israel/

 

[strollingbones]

has provided Israel with nearly $3 billion to develop weapons systems and given Israel access to some of the most sophisticated items in its own military arsenal, including Blackhawk attack helicopters and F-16 fighter jets. The United States also gives Israel access to intelligence it denies to its NATO allies. And when Israel refused to sign the nuclear nonproliferation treaty, the United States stood by without a word of protest as the Israelis built the region’s first nuclear weapons program.

U.S. foreign policy, especially under the current Bush administration, has become little more than an extension of Israeli foreign policy. The United States since 1982 has vetoed 32 Security Council resolutions critical of Israel, more than the total number of vetoes cast by all the other Security Council members. It refuses to enforce the Security Council resolutions it claims to support. These resolutions call on Israel to withdraw from the occupied territories.

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President Bush, facing dwindling support for the war in Iraq, publicly holds Israel up as a model for what he would like Iraq to become. Imagine how this idea plays out on the Arab street, which views Israel as the Algerians viewed the French colonizers during the war of liberation.

“In Israel,” Bush said recently, “terrorists have taken innocent human life for years in suicide attacks. The difference is that Israel is a functioning democracy and it’s not prevented from carrying out its responsibilities. And that’s a good indicator of success that we’re looking for in Iraq.”

Americans are increasingly isolated and reviled in the world. They remain blissfully ignorant of their own culpability for this isolation. U.S. “spin” paints the rest of the world as unreasonable, but Israel, Americans are assured, will always be on our side.

Israel is reaping economic as well as political rewards from its lock-down apartheid state. In the “gated community” market it has begun to sell systems and techniques that allow the nation to cope with terrorism. Israel, in 2006, exported $3.4 billion in defense products—well over a billion dollars more than it received in American military aid. Israel has grown into the fourth largest arms dealer in the world. Most of this growth has come in the so-called homeland security sector.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070702_a_declaration_of_independence_from_israel/

 

[strollingbones]

i assure you with june 8th coming up...israeli wants to distract the us people with obama not visiting them

 

[strollingbones]

and shogun this is in the general discussion zone...where you can discuss anything....i have not said one thing untrue...of course i am preaching to the choir with you

 

[Tech_Esq]

Bones, this was a very light and casual treatment of the events surrounding the USS Liberty.

For a more a more fulsome (and more damning) discussion of the events surrounding the sinking of the Liberty and the machinegunning of the Liberty survivors as they languished in the water, please see [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Puzzle-Palace-National-Intelligence-Organization/dp/0140067485"]The Puzzle Palace a history of the NSA[/ame]

The event as I recall them from the book went something like this. The USS Liberty was a US Navy intelligence trawler under the operational control of the National Security Agency. Israel was engaged in the 6 Day War against the Egyptian and Syrians. The Liberty was patrolling off the coast of the Sinai Peninsula. At that time, Ariel Sharon was a military commander engaged in combat operations against the Egyptians.

Here, there is some disagreement but Sharon has been accused committing war crimes at this time.

As Bones' article related the USS Liberty was set up on by aircraft. Additionally, patrol boats joined in the attack on the Liberty. The ship was sunk. Survivors floated helplessly in the water as the Israelis again set upon them an viciously machined gunned the survivors in the water intending to leave no witnesses. They almost succeeded.

Indeed, we should ALL remember the Liberty and its story should cause us to question the nature of our relationship to Israel.

 

[strollingbones]

thanks i will find a copy and begin reading it

 

[strollingbones]

5 more days to the anniversery of israelis murdering american sailors.....

 

[Ravi]

5 more days to the anniversery of israelis murdering american sailors.....

Didn't you do this thread last year? You can honor these men without pretending that Israel purposely killed them...anymore than we purposely kill our allies when mistakes happen.

Quit using them as tools.

 

[Tech_Esq]

5 more days to the anniversery of israelis murdering american sailors.....

Didn't you do this thread last year? You can honor these men without pretending that Israel purposely killed them...anymore than we purposely kill our allies when mistakes happen.

Quit using them as tools.

What about the narrative leads you to believe that the Israelis did not do this on purpose?

It was an absolutely deliberate attack. Any suggestion to the contrary, flies in the face of the facts.

 

[jillian]

What about the narrative leads you to believe that the Israelis did not do this on purpose?

It was an absolutely deliberate attack. Any suggestion to the contrary, flies in the face of the facts.

Because it's more Israel-hatred... and it's revisionist history to say they did it on purpose. It's long been understood that it was an unfortunate friendly fire incident.

As much as I like bones, her obsession with this subject is a little unsettling.

 

[RodISHI]

Bones, this was a very light and casual treatment of the events surrounding the USS Liberty.

For a more a more fulsome (and more damning) discussion of the events surrounding the sinking of the Liberty and the machinegunning of the Liberty survivors as they languished in the water, please see The Puzzle Palace a history of the NSA

The event as I recall them from the book went something like this. The USS Liberty was a US Navy intelligence trawler under the operational control of the National Security Agency. Israel was engaged in the 6 Day War against the Egyptian and Syrians. The Liberty was patrolling off the coast of the Sinai Peninsula. At that time, Ariel Sharon was a military commander engaged in combat operations against the Egyptians.

Here, there is some disagreement but Sharon has been accused committing war crimes at this time.

As Bones' article related the USS Liberty was set up on by aircraft. Additionally, patrol boats joined in the attack on the Liberty. The ship was sunk. Survivors floated helplessly in the water as the Israelis again set upon them an viciously machined gunned the survivors in the water intending to leave no witnesses. They almost succeeded.

Indeed, we should ALL remember the Liberty and its story should cause us to question the nature of our relationship to Israel.

That part right there say's it all....

 

[jillian]

Bones, this was a very light and casual treatment of the events surrounding the USS Liberty.

For a more a more fulsome (and more damning) discussion of the events surrounding the sinking of the Liberty and the machinegunning of the Liberty survivors as they languished in the water, please see The Puzzle Palace a history of the NSA

The event as I recall them from the book went something like this. The USS Liberty was a US Navy intelligence trawler under the operational control of the National Security Agency. Israel was engaged in the 6 Day War against the Egyptian and Syrians. The Liberty was patrolling off the coast of the Sinai Peninsula. At that time, Ariel Sharon was a military commander engaged in combat operations against the Egyptians.

Here, there is some disagreement but Sharon has been accused committing war crimes at this time.

As Bones' article related the USS Liberty was set up on by aircraft. Additionally, patrol boats joined in the attack on the Liberty. The ship was sunk. Survivors floated helplessly in the water as the Israelis again set upon them an viciously machined gunned the survivors in the water intending to leave no witnesses. They almost succeeded.

Indeed, we should ALL remember the Liberty and its story should cause us to question the nature of our relationship to Israel.

That part right there say's it all....

cause some jew-hating conspiracy site called "what really happened" says so?

cool... so i guess if someone writes somewhere that christians drink the blood of muslims, then we should take it as fact?

 

[Tech_Esq]

What about the narrative leads you to believe that the Israelis did not do this on purpose?

It was an absolutely deliberate attack. Any suggestion to the contrary, flies in the face of the facts.

Because it's more Israel-hatred... and it's revisionist history to say they did it on purpose. It's long been understood that it was an unfortunate friendly fire incident.

As much as I like bones, her obsession with this subject is a little unsettling.

Well, I can't speak for Bones, but I'm not anti-Israel. That said, it is plain from the recitation of facts, that the attack was deliberate. The Israelis had identified the ship the day before after 8 over flights. It was obvious that the ship had no offensive capability and it was obvious and not denied that the ship was a neutral in international waters.

Israel acknowledged the following facts without qualification:

a. USS Liberty was an American ship, hence a neutral vis-à-vis the June 1967 war between Israel and its Arab neighbors.[8]b. USS Liberty remained in international waters at all times on June 8, 1967[9] .c. The attacking Israeli forces never made a positive identification of the nationality of USS Liberty before unleashing deadly force in their attack on the ship.[10]

At approximately 0600 hours (all times local) on the morning of June 8, 1967 an Israeli maritime reconnaissance aircraft observer reported seeing "a US Navy cargo type ship," just outside the coverage of the Israeli coastal radar defense net, bearing the hull markings "GTR-5".[11] This report, made to Israeli naval HQ, was also forwarded immediately to the Israeli navy intelligence directorate.[12]

Throughout the remainder of the day prior to the attack, Israeli reconnaissance aircraft regularly flew out to USS Liberty’s position and orbited the ship before returning to their bases in Israel. A total of no fewer than eight (8) such flights were made.[13]

At 1400 hours, while approximately 17 miles off the Gaza coast, USS Liberty’s crew observed three surface radar contacts closing with their position at high speed. A few moments later, the bridge radar crew observed high speed aircraft passing over the surface returns on the same heading.[16]

Within a few short moments, and without any warning, Israeli fighter aircraft launched a rocket attack on USS Liberty. The aircraft made repeated firing passes, attacking USS Liberty with rockets and their internal cannons. After the first flight of fighter aircraft had exhausted their ordnance, subsequent flights of Israeli fighter aircraft continued to prosecute the attack with rockets, cannon fire, and napalm. [17]

After the Israeli fighter aircraft completed their attacks, three Israeli torpedo boats arrived and began a surface attack about 35 minutes after the start of the air attack. The torpedo boats launched a total of five torpedoes, one of which struck the side of USS Liberty, opposite the ship’s research spaces. [20] Twenty-six Americans in addition to the eight who had been killed in the earlier air attacks, were killed as a result of this explosion.

Following their torpedo attack, the torpedo boats moved up and down the length of the ship (both the port and starboard sides), continuing their attack, raking the ship with cannon and machine gun fire.[21] In Malta, crewmen were later assigned the task of counting all of the holes in the ship that were the size of a man’s hand or larger. They found a total of 861 such holes, in addition to "thousands" of .50 caliber machine gun holes.

And when did the Israelis break off the attack?

Upon receipt of that message the aircraft carriers USS Saratoga and USS America each launched aircraft to come to the aid of USS Liberty.[27] The reported attacking aircraft were declared hostile and the rescue aircraft were authorized to destroy them upon arrival.[28] The rules of engagement, authorizing destruction of the attackers, were transmitted to the rescue aircraft "in the clear" (i.e., they were not encrypted).

Shortly after the Sixth Fleet transmission of the rules of engagement to its dispatched rescue aircraft, the Israeli torpedo boats suddenly broke off their attack and transmitted messages asking if USS Liberty required assistance.[29]

That must have been awkward. Asking the ship you just spend the last hour destroying and machine gunning its life rafts, if they need assistance.

Please Jillian, save defending Israel for the defensible issues. This is not defensible. They do things for their own reasons just as the US does. I'm sure they didn't destroy the Liberty lightly. But it wasn't a booboo.

USS LIBERTY: War crimes committed against the United States

As I said above, my entire family was in the National Security Agency during this time and this was ship was under the operational control of the National Security Agency. You may be able to tell other people that this was just an unfortunate accident, but not me.

 

[strollingbones]

i did a thread on it last year...and the year before and will do one the next year and every year i live.....on june 8th you will see a thread on the uss liberty....i have simply posted things as simple as
"remember the men of the uss liberty" no more and have gotten the same accusations...to you, jillian it is fine to remember the good things but dont bring up the bad things and this was more than friendly fire

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYfLpaXWlVM]YouTube - USS Liberty: Liberty Under Fire[/ame]

note: they are killing the pows on the beach...watch it...i know its long at 8 minutes but you will hear the men who survived speak of that day....do you believe them or the officials of a foreign government?

 

[RodISHI]

Bones, this was a very light and casual treatment of the events surrounding the USS Liberty.

For a more a more fulsome (and more damning) discussion of the events surrounding the sinking of the Liberty and the machinegunning of the Liberty survivors as they languished in the water, please see The Puzzle Palace a history of the NSA

The event as I recall them from the book went something like this. The USS Liberty was a US Navy intelligence trawler under the operational control of the National Security Agency. Israel was engaged in the 6 Day War against the Egyptian and Syrians. The Liberty was patrolling off the coast of the Sinai Peninsula. At that time, Ariel Sharon was a military commander engaged in combat operations against the Egyptians.

Here, there is some disagreement but Sharon has been accused committing war crimes at this time.

As Bones' article related the USS Liberty was set up on by aircraft. Additionally, patrol boats joined in the attack on the Liberty. The ship was sunk. Survivors floated helplessly in the water as the Israelis again set upon them an viciously machined gunned the survivors in the water intending to leave no witnesses. They almost succeeded.

Indeed, we should ALL remember the Liberty and its story should cause us to question the nature of our relationship to Israel.

That part right there say's it all....

cause some jew-hating conspiracy site called "what really happened" says so?

cool... so i guess if someone writes somewhere that christians drink the blood of muslims, then we should take it as fact?

I should take your word saying someone else is a jew-hater?

 

[strollingbones]

jillain we have gone over this before...the acts of the israeli government..the massacres etc...your government officials have blood on their hands just like every other government....