Brutally accurate critique of US/Israeli depredations

[Grau]

Prove it.

Based on your choice of usernames I think that it's safe to assume that at least we agree that the M-14 is a fine rifle.

I suspect that we also agree on the importance of America's 2nd Amendment which protects our ability to effectively defend ourselves and others from street thugs, home invaders and other violent threats to you, your home and loved ones.

This right is especially significant when you have been forced to defend yourself from individuals whose intentions were not going to make you any healthier, wealthier or happier.

This thread, I know, is not about the 2nd Amendment but it is in a slightly different way about self defense.

I also see that you and I have different views on the Palestine - Israel conflict which is to be expected when two people have different experiences while in the Middle East.

I don't know how much time you've spent in the Middle East, what your experiences were or to what degree you've studied the Israel - Palestine conflict so I can only form opinions based on what I have experienced, read and seen.

I have been exposed to plenty of our pro Israel Western MSM (1) in which the Muslims / Arabs are almost always cast as villains in both "news" and entertainment media but I have also listened to Israelis, Palestinians, Europeans and other Muslims & Jews.

Because I spent the '73 War in Southern Lebanon living with and around Palestinian refugee camps, I had the opportunity to hear from Nakba survivors, I saw their old photos of homes, farms, and families destroyed, stolen and killed by invading foreign Zionist terrorist gangs from Europe about whom we hear nothing on pro Israel MSM.

Even though Palestine was only 2% - 3% Jewish in the early 1900s, they lacked the advanced weaponry and military training received by Zionist terrorist gangs from Germany's SS in the 40 training camps for Jews established for Zionist Jews.(2)

Therefore, it was their lack of advanced military training and adequate weaponry that cost the Palestinians their homes, land and families to European Zionist terrorist gangs and foreign Jews who are about as closely related to the ancient Hebrews as the Eskimos are.

To be clear, I am not anti Israel, I simply feel that Israel's ruling right wing extremists have proven that stealing more Palestinian land (i.e. "Settlements" / "Greater Israel") is more important than making peace (3).

The only certainty about the current Levantine carnage is that Americans will end up paying dearly for the "Greater Israel" delusions of Netanyahu, Gallant, Ben Gvir, Dickter and other genocidal extremists for a Jews only "Greater Israel".
If history is any indicator, Israeli lobbies will, once again, have young American G.I.s sent to die in an expanding conflict that can only be disastrous for both Palestinians and rational Israelis.

Netanyahu's "Greater Israel" is not worth one more American life.

Finally, you expressed disbelief at IDF's indiscriminate slaughter of Gaza's starving, homeless, sick and traumatized civilians so I posted 3 examples that I hope will help you to reconsider.

Thanks,
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EXAMPLES:

- "Israel is not fighting against Hamas but against civilians, implementing a criminal policy of bombings"

https://www.btselem.org/gaza_strip/20231205_israel_is_not_fighting_against_hamas_but_against_civilians_implementing_a_criminal_policy_of_bombings

EXCERPT "More than two million people are currently crowded into the southern Gaza Strip with nowhere else to go. Continuing to implement this bombing policy will almost certainly result in the killing of thousands more civilians. In these circumstances, Israel must immediately stop implementing this policy, which is sowing more and more death and destruction, and worsening the humanitarian catastrophe in the Gaza Strip." CONTINUED


- ‘Not a normal war’: doctors say children have been targeted by Israeli snipers in Gaza"

‘Not a normal war’: doctors say children have been targeted by Israeli snipers in Gaza

IDF says it ‘completely rejects’ charge that its soldiers deliberately fired on any of the thousands of civilians killed in Israeli offensive

www.theguardian.com

EXCERPT. "Eyewitness accounts and video recordings appear to back up claims that Israeli soldiers have fired on civilians, including children, outside of combat with Hamas or other armed groups. In some cases, witnesses describe coming under fire while waving white flags. Haaretz reported on Saturday that Israel routinely fires on civilians in areas its military has declared a “combat zone”."CONTINUED



- “Video Shows IDF Snipers Shooting Palestinian Children For Fun, But Facebook Won’t Let You Share It”

VIDEO: Video Shows IDF Snipers Shooting Palestinian Children For Fun, But Facebook Won’t Let You Share It | Neo-Griot

EXCERPT “Footage released on YouTube clearly shows Israeli soldiers firing live rounds at Palestinian children playing on a roof in Al Khalil, an area of Hebron in Occupied Palestine. An important piece of evidence attesting to the brutality of Israeli occupation. Yet, Facebook users have reported that the social media platform is preventing them from sharing the video.” CONTINUED


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(1). “Studies continually show strong pro-Israel bias in western media”
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/studies-continually-show-strong-pro-israel-bias-western-media-881718416

EXCERPT “Mainstream western media outlets are, by and large, infused with a pro-Israeli ideological bias that colors nearly all mainstream Western reporting on Israel-Palestine.

Israel is assumed to be good, peaceful, and like ‘us’. The Palestinians, meanwhile, are backwards, violent, and foreign. These are the assumptions that most western news outlets start with,......" CONTINUED


(2). “Zionism and the Third Reich”
Zionism and the Third Reich

EXCERPT “In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. /19

Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid Haganah official Feivel Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah was kept well informed about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin headquarters of the SS. /20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs. /21

In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist organization to get back on its feet and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted supervision. /22” CONTINUED


(3) "Israel Does Not Want Peace"

Israel does not want peace

Rejectionism Is Embedded in Israel's Most Primal Beliefs. There, at the Deepest Level, Lies the Concept That This Land Is Destined for the Jews Alone.

www.haaretz.com

EXCERPT "Rejectionism is embedded in Israel's most primal beliefs. There, at the deepest level, lies the concept that this land is destined for the Jews alone

Israel does not want peace. There is nothing I have ever written that I would be happier to be proved wrong about. But the evidence is piling up. In fact, it can be said that Israel has never wanted peace – a just peace, that is, one based on a just compromise for both sides." CONTINUED

 

[georgephillip]

Beyond appalling. Thanks to Israel and the US government we’re living in a new Dark Age.

There seems little doubt Israel is in the process of recolonizing Gaza with the expectation there will be 90% fewer Palestinians living there when the murder/ethnic cleansing stops.

Israeli ministers join gathering calling for resettlement of Gaza

 

[georgephillip]

No no no...
What was the -target- of the attack?

According to whom, those inflicting genocide or those on the receiving end?

Israeli strike on Gaza tent camp housing displaced people kills at least 21, hospital says

"The Israeli military said it struck senior Hamas militants involved in terrorist activities in the area, without providing additional details, and said it took precautions to minimize harm to civilians."

 

[gipper]

According to whom, those inflicting genocide or those on the receiving end?

Israeli strike on Gaza tent camp housing displaced people kills at least 21, hospital says

"The Israeli military said it struck senior Hamas militants involved in terrorist activities in the area, without providing additional details, and said it took precautions to minimize harm to civilians."

They like to say they took precautions to minimize civilian casualties, while mass murdering thousands of them. American dupes accept their lies.

 

[gipper]

Wow, at this rate the genocide will be complete in 140000 days, another 380 years. I can not watch this horror for that long, it must stop

You still don’t know the meaning of genocide, even though you’ve been told long ago.

Again, can you answer this question? Was the holocaust a genocide? Yet Jews survived.

Are you so dumb you deny the Holocaust?

 

[gipper]

You aren't talking about policy. You are relating incidents seemingly gleaned from anti-Israel sources. All the Palestinian and anti-Israel fighters have to do is lay down their arms. They won't do it as long as there is support from American and international anti-Semites to continue the carnage. America was a nuclear power in WW2 and used two nuclear devices on Japanese civilians to end the conflict. Israel is a nuclear power and you have to admire their reluctance to respond to the aggression with nuclear weapons.

You clearly know nothing about Israel and the oppression it’s inflicted on Palestinians.

Stop posting idiot.

 

[elektra]

You still don’t know the meaning of genocide, even though you’ve been told long ago.

Again, can you answer this question? Was the holocaust a genocide? Yet Jews survived.

Are you so dumb you deny the Holocaust?

There is no genocide in Gaza. I hope that helps you. Sometimes if you do not understand you must take the word of those who do know.

No genocide

 

[elektra]

You clearly know nothing about Israel and the oppression it’s inflicted on Palestinians.

Stop posting idiot.

It is the Arabs oppressing Palestinian-Arabs. Why would Arab countries not offer there fellow Arabs a home in Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Oman, UAE?

 

[elektra]

They like to say they took precautions to minimize civilian casualties, while mass murdering thousands of them. American dupes accept their lies.

Are you in Israel to confirm this?

 

[gipper]

Are you in Israel to confirm this?

You prove you’re a dumb MFing Zionist with every post.

 

[gipper]

Are you in Israel to confirm this?

Read this! I know you won’t, because you prefer being a dumb MFer.

A Massive Database of Evidence, Compiled by a Historian, Documents Israel's War Crimes in Gaza​

A woman with a child is shot while waving a white flag ■ Starving girls are crushed to death in line for bread ■ A cuffed 62-year-old man is run over, evidently by a tank ■ An aerial strike targets people trying to help a wounded boy ■ A database of thousands of videos, photos, testimonies, reports and investigations documents the horrors committed by Israel in Gaza
Massive database of evidence, compiled by a historian, details Israel's war crimes in Gaza

 

[SaxonJackson]

Over a year later, it is clearer than ever that the October 7th, 2023 attack on Israel was yet another Israeli false flag attack and was designed to justify the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians from Palestine.

If you support Israel's genocide in gaza, you are just a monster. Period.

Short Video about the October 7th "Hamas" Attack and Israel's Ethnic Cleansing of the Palestinians

Israel orchestrated the October 7th attack to justify a war on the Palestinians

binkylarue.substack.com

Well said. Modern “Israel” has zero relationship with biblical Israel, but millions of Christians have been duped to believe otherwise. Millions have been brainwashed into believing that those terrorists of the Middle East are “God's Chosen People.” Complete and utter hogwash!!!! Christ calls them “children of their father the devil” and a “generation of vipers.” They deny Christ, and they despise Christianity and the majority of them are evil to the core. But the cult will NEVER accept these facts.

Read "The Thirteenth Tribe" for more information:

The Khazars are NOT our friends or allies. Ask George Soros, Chuck Schumer, et. al.

 

[PeterPilot]

You still don’t know the meaning of genocide, even though you’ve been told long ago.

Again, can you answer this question? Was the holocaust a genocide? Yet Jews survived.

Are you so dumb you deny the Holocaust?

In the last year or so I've arrived at the opinion that genocide does not mean that every single example of the target gene pool must be exterminated. That is, it is still genocide even if it's not completely successful, not 100% efficient.

Israel most certainly is conducting a genocide (and has been for decades or centuries), but that doesn't mean they will achieve 100% efficiency.

 

[georgephillip]

They like to say they took precautions to minimize civilian casualties, while mass murdering thousands of them. American dupes accept their lies.

America's another example of a settler-colonial state that came into existence by genocide. Apparently, it's hard to inflict or support such a state without resorting to systematic lying.

U.S. mainstream media downplays Amnesty International’s finding that Israel is committing genocide

"The mainstream U.S. media faced an excruciating dilemma. Amnesty International, the respected human rights organization, just released a 296-page report, based on months of research, that said Israel is committing genocide in Gaza.

"How much would American newspapers and cable news networks downplay or try to neutralize the report?"

 

[georgephillip]

In the last year or so I've arrived at the opinion that genocide does not mean that every single example of the target gene pool must be exterminated. That is, it is still genocide even if it's not completely successful, not 100% efficient.

Israel most certainly is conducting a genocide (and has been for decades or centuries), but that doesn't mean they will achieve 100% efficiency.

Israeli Jews have always been willing to accept an Arab minority as long as it didn't exceed 20% of the total population. In Gaza that means killing or expelling 90% of the two million Arabs who lived there on October 7th, 2023.

 

[M14 Shooter]

In the last year or so I've arrived at the opinion that genocide does not mean that every single example of the target gene pool must be exterminated. That is, it is still genocide even if it's not completely successful, not 100% efficient.
Israel most certainly is conducting a genocide (and has been for decades or centuries), but that doesn't mean they will achieve 100% efficiency.

If this were true, there would be at least an order of magnitude more dead Palestinians.

Genocide has a definition. Israel's actions do not meet it.

 

[georgephillip]

If this were true, there would be at least an order of magnitude more dead Palestinians.

Genocide has a definition. Israel's actions do not meet it.

Words have meaning; state your definition of genocide.

Israel is committing the "deliberate destruction of a group in Palestine:"

Israeli historian produces vast database of war crimes in Gaza

"An internationally recognised Israeli historian has concluded that his country is committing genocide in Gaza after compiling a vast, methodical report documenting a litany of war crimes committed since Israel’s invasion began last year following the Hamas-led attacks of 7 October.

"Lee Mordechai, an associate professor at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, who has also held a fellowship at Princeton University in the US, has published a report titled 'Bearing Witness to the Israel-Gaza War' which, in its English translation, is 124 pages long and contains over 1,400 footnotes."

 

[PeterPilot]

If this were true, there would be at least an order of magnitude more dead Palestinians.

Genocide has a definition. Israel's actions do not meet it.

My 1984 Webster's says genocide is "Systematic, planned annihilation of a racial, political or cultural group." It does not say "successful" or "complete".

While it may not be 100% effective, what Israel has been doing to the Palestinian people for 100 years or more is genocide.

Whether you are in denial about what's happening in Gaza or the meaning of words is a personal problem.

 

[M14 Shooter]

My 1984 Webster's says genocide is "Systematic, planned annihilation of a racial, political or cultural group." It does not say "successful" or "complete".

The UN defines it with a bit more precision:

Definitions of Genocide and Related Crimes | United Nations

www.un.org

Specific point:

1. A mental element: the "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such"; and
2. A physical element, which includes the following five acts, enumerated exhaustively:
   • Killing members of the group
   • Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
   • Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
   • Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
   • Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

The intent is the most difficult element to determine. To constitute genocide, there must be a proven intent on the part of perpetrators to physically destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. Cultural destruction does not suffice, nor does an intention to simply disperse a group. It is this special intent, or dolus specialis, that makes the crime of genocide so unique. In addition, case law has associated intent with the existence of a State or organizational plan or policy, even if the definition of genocide in international law does not include that element.

Importantly, the victims of genocide are deliberately targeted - not randomly – because of their real or perceived membership of one of the four groups protected under the Convention (which excludes political groups, for example). This means that the target of destruction must be the group, as such, and not its members as individuals. Genocide can also be committed against only a part of the group, as long as that part is identifiable (including within a geographically limited area) and “substantial.”

According to the UNs definition of genocide, Israel isn't engaged in it.

 

[PeterPilot]

M14 Shooter

You stick with the One World Government UN definition, and I'll stick with Common Sense and Webster. If you become confused, which it appears you are, ask Joe Biden or Kamala Harris for guidance on the meanings of words.

The Israeli Government is a criminal organization and always has been, whether you understand that or not.