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[C_Clayton_Jones]

What Jihad? We actually send out nice young men and women to share this truth with other in peace, patience, kindness and love.

Actually not – what they shared was subjective religious dogma, not the truth.

 

[SweetSue92]

Hasn't the holy spirit always been here since the beginning or is this a different holy spirit?

Yes, eternal. God in three: Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

It seems confusing and...it is, and difficult to understand. But it makes the saying "God is love" sensible. Love needs an object. A monotheistic God has no love before Creation; the Triune God does.

 

[SweetSue92]

Actually not – what they shared was subjective religious dogma, not the truth.

It is actually true what Cougarbear says. Mormons are generally good, hardworking people and unfailingly polite when they come to your door. I have no problems with Mormons as people. But their doctrine is not Christian. Tragically.

 

[onefour1]

No. If you receive the Holy Spirit, you receive the Holy Spirit. It's not a two-step process that depends ON MAN. Again. Joseph Smith sussed that out so he could construct a church where you have to spend a lot of money to uphold a rigid church structure that doles out all the blessings.

It....doesn't work like that. Convenient for those at the top though.

Acts 8:14-20
14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:

15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,

19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.

20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.

It is clear that the Apostles were able to confer the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands. This was an ordinance given to all that received baptism by those who held the Holy Priesthood. This is straight from the Bible.

Acts 2:38
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

 

[onefour1]

Um

Jesus didn't baptize ANYONE

?????

John 3:22
22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judæa; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

 

[onefour1]

This is a grievous sin.

Again, you have it so the Spirit of God is dependent on what MAN does. If you do not to X, the Spirit will cease to "abide with you".

And that depends on people in YOUR church--and of course only YOUR church--doing something so the Spirit will stay.

No, sorry. That's part of what makes your church a cult. I'm not happy to tell you this. I know it's hard to read. But I want Mormons to know the truth.

Jesus Christ set up his church with Apostles and other offices of the priesthood. Man did not make this up from his own mind. It was Jesus who established the makeup of his church. The laying on of hands, as I have shown you in the bible, was done by the Apostles of Jesus Christ whom Jesus chose himself. This was not man made as you suppose. The authority that was given to his Apostles came directly from Jesus himself. And yes, when they laid their hands upon those who repented and were baptized, they did in fact receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Your dodge on this is ridiculous.

Your writings are not hard on me because they are not true. I know that you are the one in the dark on this. As I've pointed out in previous posts, God gave Apostles and prophets and other priesthood offices to his church for the perfecting of the saints until we all come to the unity of the faith.

Ephesians 4:11-14
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

The true church of Jesus Christ will always have Apostles and Prophets, etc. until we all come to the unity of faith and the knowledge of the Son of God unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ. And those Apostles and prophets and other priesthood holders of Christ's church will continue in doing what they have been commissioned by Christ to do such as baptizing and laying on their hands to confer the gift of the Holy Ghost. If you don't believe this then you certainly do not believe the Bible.

 

[Cougarbear]

Jesus is one of the Trinity--not a brother of Satan, a fallen angel. Jesus was at no time ever an angel. Jesus is God.

Telling you the truth is not hateful. Feeling a "burning in your breast" does not make lies the truth.

Such as the Book of Abraham, a complete fabrication and one of Joseph Smith's cons from start to finish.

Completely unteachable person. I gave you biblical examples and you ignore them and reject them. That's on you, not me. Yes, the Father has billions of spirit children and two of the were Jehovah and Lucifer. Just like Adam had two children, Abel and Cain. Why do you think the story of Abel and Cain was important enough for Moses to include in Genesis? It's a similitude of our pre-earth life existence helping to explain one of three main questions, Where did I come from? Cain and Abel quarreled as did Jehovah and Lucifer. There has always been good and evil because there has always been free moral agency. Abel chose good but Cain chose evil and was banished as a vagabond in the world. Jehovah chose good and became one with our Father and our Lord Son of God while Lucifer was banished into the world without a physical body. A third of our brothers and sisters that were in heaven at this time also were banished for choosing to follow Lucifer. Lucifer changed his name to Satan and he with our fallen angel spirit brothers and sisters are here to deceive and torment living human beings who are with spirits. The fallen spirits are mad that they don't get to have physical bodies and one reason why they asked Jesus (Jehovah) if they could at least have the bodies of pig. He granted their wish and the quickly ran over the cliff and died leaving them again without physical bodies.
It isn't just about telling. You have nothing to back up your accusation you claim are true. You just expect people to give up their faith and beliefs because you yell and tell them hateful things about faith in God. You keep doing it because some people are not strong yet in their testimonies of God and are vulnerable to the deception and enticing of the hatred and anger of the devils inside of you deceiving you. Not me. I know the Book of Mormon and Book of Abraham are true teaching more of God's knowledge to us in our days. And, you are unhappy because I can know this and you cannot because of your free moral choices you are making. But, the good news is, there is still time for you to gain a testimony of what I know to be true. Instead of being mad and unhappy all the time because of believers, you can know the truth and the truth shall set you free from the lack of knowledge you have.

 

[Cougarbear]

It was all made up by Joseph Smith to satisfy his own timetable.

Is this what God told you? Nope. You are just trying to prove your own belief systems are true by rejecting God's truth given through a true prophet of God, Joseph Smith. It's God's timetable that Joseph received along with further light an knowledge received by the prophet and all the prophets from Joseph Smith to our current prophet of God, Russel M. Nelson.

 

[Cougarbear]

I couldn't go with a religion started by a man. Not Smith, Williams, Wesley, Luther, Henry VIII, Zwingli, Parham, Mohammed, or George Carlin.

Only one started by Jesus Christ, Himself, and that is the RCC.

So, you could not go with Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus....... No, As I pointed out, the Roman Catholic Church did not officially begin until 590 by Bishop Gregory who named himself Pope. John was the last apostle-prophet and then the heavens closed and full apostacy began in the Eastern world. In the America's, it continued until 421 A.D. when the last prophet, Moroni died. The RCC is just like the churches Williams, Wesley, Luther and other started.

 

[Cougarbear]

The book of Daniel was written in 164 BC. It's about the suffering of the Jews under Antiochus IV Epiphanies. He also defiled the temple with a statue of Zeus and pig sacrifices. When the Maccabees retook the temple, cleansed and rededicated it, they celebrated with Chanukah.

So? Back to the dream Daniel the Prophet, Seer and Revelator saw that the Church of Jesus Christ was going to be restored. The RCC was founded in 590 A.D. by Gregory. It rolled through the earth destroying the true gospel of Jesus Christ such that Daniel's prophecy is needed in the latter days as he stated clearly. The Stone (The Church of Jesus Christ) would be re-established in the latter-days rolling through the entire earth restoring His Gospel to the earth after centuries of destruction of His gospel. It's clear in the Book of Daniel and the facts the RCC didn't start until 590 A.D. This is historical fact.

 

[Cougarbear]

Along with all the other true and living churches.

Other Churches have some form of truth because they use the Bible. But, they do not have the Authority to perform any of the saving ordinances such as Baptism, the Sacraments, giving the Gift of the Holy Ghost.....

 

[Cougarbear]

Actually not – what they shared was subjective religious dogma, not the truth.

Do you know what "Jihad" is? When is the last time you heard of a Missionary from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints killing someone who did not accept the Gospel they were teaching? You are a confused and mixed up person. Aside from that, the Gospel we teach is the true fulness of the Gospel. And, it is true.

 

[Flash]

Everything I need to know about the Mormons I learned from watching South Park.

I also lived in a predominately Mormon community for seven years. South Park nailed it.

 

[surada]

So? Back to the dream Daniel the Prophet, Seer and Revelator saw that the Church of Jesus Christ was going to be restored. The RCC was founded in 590 A.D. by Gregory. It rolled through the earth destroying the true gospel of Jesus Christ such that Daniel's prophecy is needed in the latter days as he stated clearly. The Stone (The Church of Jesus Christ) would be re-established in the latter-days rolling through the entire earth restoring His Gospel to the earth after centuries of destruction of His gospel. It's clear in the Book of Daniel and the facts the RCC didn't start until 590 A.D. This is historical fact.

Daniel wasn't a prophet. He was an historian. The book was written in 164 BC about Antiochus IV Epiphanies.

 

[Cougarbear]

It is actually true what Cougarbear says. Mormons are generally good, hardworking people and unfailingly polite when they come to your door. I have no problems with Mormons as people. But their doctrine is not Christian. Tragically.

What isn't Christian about the Fulness of the Gospel taught in the LDS Church? I've proven true every question so far you have asked.

 

[surada]

Do you know what "Jihad" is? When is the last time you heard of a Missionary from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints killing someone who did not accept the Gospel they were teaching? You are a confused and mixed up person. Aside from that, the Gospel we teach is the true fulness of the Gospel. And, it is true.

Jihad is the internal struggle to be a good Muslim and be obedient to the will of God.

 

[Cougarbear]

Daniel wasn't a prophet. He was an historian. The book was written in 164 BC about Antiochus IV Epiphanies.

He prophesied the future. He was able to tell what Nebs dream was and what it meant as a seer would do. There is little about history in his writings. A true prophet of God.

 

[Mashmont]

So, you could not go with Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus....... No, As I pointed out, the Roman Catholic Church did not officially begin until 590 by Bishop Gregory who named himself Pope. John was the last apostle-prophet and then the heavens closed and full apostacy began in the Eastern world. In the America's, it continued until 421 A.D. when the last prophet, Moroni died. The RCC is just like the churches Williams, Wesley, Luther and other started.

Yes. Jesus. That's who I'm going with. He started the RCC. He commissioned His right hand man, St. Peter, to be the first pope, and we've had an unbroken line since.

 

[surada]

He prophesied the future. He was able to tell what Nebs dream was and what it meant as a seer would do. There is little about history in his writings. A true prophet of God.

Daniel was never in Nebuchadnezzar's court. It's a story about Antiochus IV Epiphanies written in 164 BC.

The tale begins in Nebuchadnezzar's court, but that's just the literary setting. Think Maccabean wars, rededication of the temple after Antiochus made it into the Abomination of Desolation. The forced conversion of the Edomites.

 

[konradv]

Is this what God told you? Nope. You are just trying to prove your own belief systems are true by rejecting God's truth given through a true prophet of God, Joseph Smith. It's God's timetable that Joseph received along with further light an knowledge received by the prophet and all the prophets from Joseph Smith to our current prophet of God, Russel M. Nelson.

Archeology disproves LDS history.