Zone1 The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints the only true and living Church today

[SweetSue92]

Christ's mission was unto the House of Israel. Yes, at times he did speak to Gentiles, but he did not offer them baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost. That only came later when the apostles were instructed to take the gospel unto the Gentiles. The other sheep that Jesus went unto were of the house of Israel where he preached the full gospel unto them.

Now you're contradicting yourself, see. And Jesus absolutely extends "living water" to the Samaritan woman, John 4:10

Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.”

 

[SweetSue92]

As I stated earlier, you can receive the Holy Ghost as a witness without receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost. So your interpretation of what I am saying is incorrect. Receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost is a gift from God to those who repent and are baptized.

Acts 2:38
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Here Peter teaches that if you repent and are baptized, then you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

No. If you receive the Holy Spirit, you receive the Holy Spirit. It's not a two-step process that depends ON MAN. Again. Joseph Smith sussed that out so he could construct a church where you have to spend a lot of money to uphold a rigid church structure that doles out all the blessings.

It....doesn't work like that. Convenient for those at the top though.

 

[Mashmont]

The Lord has only one true and living church. One reason The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is a “living church” is that the living God reveals His will to living prophets and apostles. All other churches are dead and mourn constantly and this is the reason for the cross on all other Christian Churches. The worship the dead Christ while TCOJCOLDS worships the living Christ and has a spire pointing to the resurrecting living Christ.
"Three features—(1) fulness of doctrine, (2) power of the priesthood, and (3) testimony of Jesus Christ—explain why God has declared and why we as His servants maintain that this is the only true and living Church upon the face of the whole earth." - Dallin H. Oaks. Here is the entire massage from Elder Oaks, a current day Apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ: The Only True and Living Church

Do not be threatened? Be humble: "Because of this declaration of the Lord, we refer to this, His Church—our Church—as the “only true Church.” Sometimes we do this in a way that gives great offense to people who belong to other churches or who subscribe to other philosophies. But God has not taught us anything that should cause us to feel superior to other people. Certainly all churches and philosophies have elements of truth in them, some more than others. Certainly God loves all of His children. And certainly His gospel plan is for all of His children, all according to His own timetable."

I couldn't go with a religion started by a man. Not Smith, Williams, Wesley, Luther, Henry VIII, Zwingli, Parham, Mohammed, or George Carlin.

Only one started by Jesus Christ, Himself, and that is the RCC.

 

[surada]

Please explain how Hiram Page, Hyrum Smith, and Jacob Whitmer were all related.

Aren't they?

 

[surada]

It never went back to the time of Christ. That's your first mistake. The RCC officially began in 590 by Pope Gregory. There were rogue churches all over with bishops leading them. However, as Paul stated in Ephesians, the Church must be founded on prophets and apostles along with evangelists, teachers, priests...John died in 100A.D. and was the last prophet-apostle. So, by 590A.D. when the Roman Catholic Church officially began, there were no apostles and prophets. So, it lacked the true authority of Jesus Christ. Paul also said there would be a falling away or apostasy. That meant that the communication with Jesus Christ would be silent. Not because Jesus Christ wanted it. It was because the bishops and other leaders polluted the everlasting Gospel of Jesus Christ. Just like in other apostacy periods by the Israelites. Note that the people then also didn't think they had fallen away either. But, they did and a restoration had to be done again and again and again throughout the OT. Then, between Malachi and John the Baptist and Jesus Christ there was another apostacy. And, the Lord again established the Church again. In Daniel, Chapter 2, Nebuchadnezzar had a dream where the king saw a great (wicked) image that was destroyed by a stone (latter-day kingdom of God). It grew stronger and filled the whole earth. This was a latter day vision Daniel interpreted. The great image was the wickedness of the world in apostacy especially that great abominable church against God. So, the "Stone" or kingdom of God could not be an established church. And, since 1830, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has rolled through the entire world preaching the fulness of the Gospel.

The book of Daniel was written in 164 BC. It's about the suffering of the Jews under Antiochus IV Epiphanies. He also defiled the temple with a statue of Zeus and pig sacrifices. When the Maccabees retook the temple, cleansed and rededicated it, they celebrated with Chanukah.

 

[onefour1]

You keep repeating verses when the apostles baptized and then the Holy Spirit was received. Yes sure, it can work that way. As I have already proven Biblically, it doesn't HAVE to. There were instances--I have showed you two--where the Holy Spirit was received and THEN believers were baptized.

You banging the gong louder is not going to erase that.

Wondering if you even read my posts. I have explained to you that a person can receive the Holy Spirit for a time to lead them to the Church of Jesus Christ. NOW, ARE YOU READING THIS LINE? RECEIVING THE HOLY GHOST IN THAT WAY IS DIFERRENT FROM RECEIVING THE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST. The gift of the Holy Ghost is given by the laying on of hands by those who hold the authority to give that gift. IT'S NOT THE SAME AS SIMPLY FEELING THE HOLY GHOST FOR A SHORT TIME TO BRING YOU UNTO CHRIST. IT IS A GIFT THAT IF YOU REMAIN FAITHFUL IT WILL BE WITH YOU FOR LIFE. I only keep repeating because you keep ignoring. I have not tried to erase anything! It is you ignoring what I am telling you. Yes the Holy Spirit can come upon anyone at any time to lead them unto Christ. I'm not erasing anything. But the Holy Spirit will not abide with you if you faith to follow the promptings of the spirit. However, those who commit to follow the Lord Jesus Christ and repent and are baptized are give a gift that the Holy Ghost will be a constant companion for as long as they remain faithful. No erasing as you suppose.

 

[onefour1]

I don't fail to understand this. I reject it. It's not Biblical.

The Holy Spirit is one of the God in Three. The Holy Spirit is not beholden to obey any man. The Holy Spirit doesn't look around saying--oh my--here is someone I would love to indwell, but I can't until some Mormon hands are laid on.

Who invented this nonsense?

Oh yes. A conman. Joseph Smith.

Yes you do reject it. The Holy Ghost is the 3rd member of the Godhead and as you say He is not beholden to man but he is beholden to God our Eternal Heavenly Father and our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. It was they who commission the Holy Ghost to do what he does and instituted through the laying on of hands this ordinance of the priesthood of God.

John 14:
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Here Jesus explains that if we keep the commandments that he will send another Comforter, ie the gift of Holy Ghost, that he can always abide with us. He then explains that the world cannot receive because they are not willing to. This gift does not come upon everyone but is reserved for the faithful.

 

[surada]

Yes you do reject it. The Holy Ghost is the 3rd member of the Godhead and as you say He is not beholden to man but he is beholden to God our Eternal Heavenly Father and our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. It was they who commission the Holy Ghost to do what he does and instituted through the laying on of hands this ordinance of the priesthood of God.

John 14:
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Here Jesus explains that if we keep the commandments that he will send another Comforter, ie the gift of Holy Ghost, that he can always abide with us. He then explains that the world cannot receive because they are not willing to. This gift does not come upon everyone but is reserved for the faithful.

In Genesis the spirit moved across the waters. Wasn't that the holy spirit?

 

[onefour1]

I do believe what they say. I also believe the Bible when it says laying on of hands is not necessary for the Spirit to act.

Again, I do not claim that the spirit does not act without the laying on of hands. He does fall upon those who seek after the truth with an open mind and a sincere heart. But He will not abide with you continually unless you commit to follow the Lord through continual repentance and receiving baptism for the remission of sins. And this gift is conferred by the Holy Priesthood of God through those who have been ordained unto this priesthood.

 

[The Duke]

There are two levels of priesthood in the church. There is the Aaronic priesthood and the Mechizedek priesthood. The Aaronic priest is what was given to Aaron and his posterity. They have the authority to baptize by immersion in water. The Aaronic priesthood is a preparatory priesthood. It prepares you to later receive the higher priesthood which is the Melchizedek priesthood. The Melchizedek priest is the high priesthood. Those who have been ordained unto this priesthood have the authority to do all that an Aaronic priesthood holder can do but also can also perform higher ordinances of the gospel such and conferring the gift of the Holy Ghost.

How did I do? Wondering if you are the Duke from LDSFF?

You did great and I am not.

 

[surada]

What Jihad? We actually send out nice young men and women to share this truth with other in peace, patience, kindness and love.

I have to admit they are nice young people. It's the Jehovah's Witnesses that are so obnoxious.

 

[The Duke]

Years ago, when my son was 14 or 15, I bought him a Ball Python for a birthday gift.

I found that if you answer the door with a 6' snake around your neck, both Mormons and the Jehovah's Witness' don't seem to be as concerned about your soul. They leave rather quickly.

A crazy female pitbull has the same effect.

 

[surada]

Genesis 1:2

The spirit of God moved across the waters.

Genesis 1:2 - Bible Gateway

www.biblegateway.com

 

[onefour1]

Now you're contradicting yourself, see. And Jesus absolutely extends "living water" to the Samaritan woman, John 4:10

Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.”

Matthew 15:22-28
22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.

26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it to dogs.

27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.

28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Here Jesus tells the Canaanite woman very clearly that He was sent only unto the lost sheep of the House of Israel. That was his commission. No contradiction about it. Yes, Jesus will bless whomever He will but his commission was unto the House of Israel and he did not baptize either of the women mentioned.

 

[SweetSue92]

Matthew 15:22-28
22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.

26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it to dogs.

27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.

28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Here Jesus tells the Canaanite woman very clearly that He was sent only unto the lost sheep of the House of Israel. That was his commission. No contradiction about it. Yes, Jesus will bless whomever He will but his commission was unto the House of Israel and he did not baptize either of the women mentioned.

Um

Jesus didn't baptize ANYONE

?????

 

[SweetSue92]

Again, I do not claim that the spirit does not act without the laying on of hands. He does fall upon those who seek after the truth with an open mind and a sincere heart. But He will not abide with you continually unless you commit to follow the Lord through continual repentance and receiving baptism for the remission of sins. And this gift is conferred by the Holy Priesthood of God through those who have been ordained unto this priesthood.

This is a grievous sin.

Again, you have it so the Spirit of God is dependent on what MAN does. If you do not to X, the Spirit will cease to "abide with you".

And that depends on people in YOUR church--and of course only YOUR church--doing something so the Spirit will stay.

No, sorry. That's part of what makes your church a cult. I'm not happy to tell you this. I know it's hard to read. But I want Mormons to know the truth.

 

[SweetSue92]

In Genesis the spirit moved across the waters. Wasn't that the holy spirit?

Yes but that's not pertinent to this conversation. He was active in creation; this has to do with the Spirit's role in conversion, sanctification etc of the believer

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints the only true and living Church today

Along with all the other true and living churches.

 

[surada]

Yes but that's not pertinent to this conversation. He was active in creation; this has to do with the Spirit's role in conversion, sanctification etc of the believer

Hasn't the holy spirit always been here since the beginning or is this a different holy spirit?

 

[surada]

Again, I do not claim that the spirit does not act without the laying on of hands. He does fall upon those who seek after the truth with an open mind and a sincere heart. But He will not abide with you continually unless you commit to follow the Lord through continual repentance and receiving baptism for the remission of sins. And this gift is conferred by the Holy Priesthood of God through those who have been ordained unto this priesthood.

Are you also a Mormon?