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it seems to me entirely POSSIBLE way back then to destroy whole books out of existence but someI always wondered if the central source labeled Q and it's writer was what the surviving followers of John the righteous now called Mandeans (sect of Sabians) called false texts written by what they labeled as a wicked evil woman.
They tell of burning that book of falsehoods, and Q disappeared, is said to have been burned out of existence.
But what does it remind you of, when the church ignores and pretends there's a nothing burger when they found older copies of Josephus doesn't mention Jesus and the NT accounts & stories in oldest copies that are nothing like the later Constantine Eusebius era and beyond copies? It reminds me of how in media politics, facts and evidence are ignored and censored and never discussed, so the charade can continue and their power remain.it seems to me entirely POSSIBLE way back then to destroy whole books out of existence but some
christian apologists DENY the possibility and insist
that the "gospels" of the NT are, simply, entirely
accurate "copies" of books that existed at that time.
----as per some guy named EUSEBIUS
Tampering with scripture for political purposes is not new.But what does it remind you of, when the church ignores and pretends there's a nothing burger when they found older copies of Josephus doesn't mention Jesus and the NT accounts & stories in oldest copies that are nothing like the later Constantine Eusebius era and beyond copies? It reminds me of how in media politics, facts and evidence are ignored and censored and never discussed, so the charade can continue and their power remain.
It's 100% dishonest to say Josephus speaks about Jesus when they know original copies and commentary on them by people before Eusebius forgeries, prove he did not.
And they (Roman Empire) did this to many cultures as long as they remained the authority of their religious devotion and tax collector in the form of tithes (contributions to their gods).Tampering with scripture for political purposes is not new.
The beast in scripture is Nero or Domitan... Roman emperors.And they (Roman Empire) did this to many cultures as long as they remained the authority of their religious devotion and tax collector in the form of tithes (contributions to their gods).
It's why the symbolism warning showed this scarlet color beast (Rome's army color) as having 2 horns (i.e. powers) one political power masked behind the more acceptable religious power. With all the revolts against Rome's taxes and control the only way they could
stick foot in all kingdoms, was by and through the guise of religion. And this brought trouble in ways mankind has not even fathomed, because It's why Christian nations pushed to set up shop in Russia and China and how that caused paranoia in communist nations against religious authorities meddling with their own.
It seems to be talking about Rome as a whole, describing the riches and items and place where they set up shop on top of the tombs of the dead which is kinda creepy and satanic in it's own right. Words also describing the beast, like mystery Babylon and the great whore are describing their mythologies used and how they slept with the many cultures and nations.The beast in scripture is Nero or Domitan... Roman emperors.
The whore of Babylon is Israel. Rome was never involved with Babylon.It seems to be talking about Rome as a whole, describing the riches and items and place where they set up shop on top of the tombs of the dead which is kinda creepy and satanic in it's own right. Words also describing the beast, like mystery Babylon and the great whore are describing their mythologies used and how they slept with the many cultures and nations.
The scarlet beast that sits on seven hills is clearly Rome which is built on seven hills. The woman drunk with the blood of Gods people who is riding the beast is the roman catholic (universal) mother church, the mystery religion of mithras, which originated in babylon, replaced with a counterfeit Jesus, a three in one edible mangod, but retaining all of the rituals, expressions, and sacraments of mithraism, the male only secret religion of the Roman government and military.The beast in scripture is Nero or Domitan... Roman emperors.
Nope. Jerusalem sits on 7 hills. Rome never had any connection to Babylon. Read scripture. The prophets are always scolding Israel for whoring after false gods.The scarlet beast that sits on seven hills is clearly Rome which is built on seven hills. The woman drunk with the blood of Gods people who is riding the beast is the roman catholic (universal) mother church, the mystery religion of mithras, which originated in babylon, replaced with a counterfeit Jesus, a three in one edible mangod, but retaining all of the rituals, expressions, and sacraments of mithraism...
Read about the babylonian origin of mithraism which uncoincidentally is the basis of Catholic religion and its sacraments and its blasphemous beliefs about Jesus including a trinity.Nope. Jerusalem sits on 7 hills. Rome never had any connection to Babylon. Read scripture. The prophets are always scolding Israel for whoring after false gods.
As usual you are telling half truths . Many cities sit on 7 hills including Jerusalem however only Rome fits to a tee spiritual Babylon esp taking from all other cultures they conquered or emulated… Thus they emulated the Babylonian ways… By the way you are incorrect in another fashion that Rome never had anything to do with Babylon because Trajan himself with his troops entered the ruins of Babylon showing that the city and its customs were held in high enough regard that the Roman leadership was willing to go there to see it for itself.. If the area wasn’t that important to them they would not have bothered as it was out of the way of their empire at the time….Nope. Jerusalem sits on 7 hills. Rome never had any connection to Babylon. Read scripture. The prophets are always scolding Israel for whoring after false gods.
Mystery Babylon refers to the mythologies Rome borrowed to swallow up those cultures in the manner I discussed.The whore of Babylon is Israel. Rome was never involved with Babylon.
Nope.Mystery Babylon refers to the mythologies Rome borrowed to swallow up those cultures in the manner I discussed.
Rome never conquered Babylon. The Jews borrowed mythos from other cultures namely Babylon, Egypt and Ras Shamra. Martin Luther claimed Rome was the Whore of Babylon after he fell out with Rome.As usual you are telling half truths . Many cities sit on 7 hills including Jerusalem however only Rome fits to a tee spiritual Babylon esp taking from all other cultures they conquered or emulated… Thus they emulated the Babylonian ways… By the way you are incorrect in another fashion that Rome never had anything to do with Babylon because Trajan himself with his troops entered the ruins of Babylon showing that the city and its customs were held in high enough regard that the Roman leadership was willing to go there to see it for itself.. If the area wasn’t that important to them they would not have bothered as it was out of the way of their empire at the time….
The bible is evidence. It is witness testimony and in most cases, we know who wrote it. Shall we ignore evidence because the witness has died? How foolish! Using that standard, we would discard completely most libraries. All our history books would be rendered useless, as would most of our science books and math books. Isaac Newton is dead. Shall we therefore discard what he wrote?
Galileo is dead. Shall we therefore discard what he wrote?
Clarence Darrow is past on. Shall we discard what he wrote? How about Supreme Ct Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes?
Shall we discard the Gettysburg Address because Abe Lincoln is dead?
How about the Founding Fathers? Is our Constitution useless because they are all deceased?
The Rules of evidence in all 50 states allow the introduction of witness testimony. Of course, it is always wise to verify evidence with other testimony or cross examination, but that still leaves the original testimony for consideration by the judge or jury.
We can verify evidence by examining the lives of the speaker to evaluate his credibility and this is useful for the bible. Was Moses an honest man? Were the apostles honest men? How about Matthew, John and Paul?
Nope.
Rome never conquered Babylon. The Jews borrowed mythos from other cultures namely Babylon, Egypt and Ras Shamra. Martin Luther claimed Rome was the Whore of Babylon after he fell out with Rome.
Who is the witness to Jesus 's temptation in the wilderness?
The old testament prophets are forever scolding Israel for whoring after false gods. Roman mythology doesn't rely on Egypt or Sumer. Mithraism does come from Rome, but the foundational myths of Israel come from Babylon and the Ugarit. I don't have a problem with the Jews. Let the archaeology speak for itself. Catholic does mean universal."The Jews" borrowed myths from other cultures but the Romans didn't". They didn't assimilate pervert and bury under a mountain of blasphemy the teachings of Jesus? Catholic doesn't mean universal, including a wide variety of things; all-embracing? Mithraism didn't originate in babylon?
What's your problem with "The Jews"?
