The Aftermath of the Trial

[Lonestar_logic]

The Emmett Till killing furor eventually dissipated, but it is etched in the soul of America as a dying breath of Jim Crow.

Now, America is aware that Jim Crow has a few breaths left in it.

Why bitch about something that happened in 1955 and the (democratically created) Jim Crow law that ended in 1954?

 

[Bumberclyde]

Burglaries are way down in that zone where Zimmerman lived.

You start killing innocent people and everybody stays home. What a life. Everybody afraid to go out.

You're mixed up, burglaries are down, doesn't mean people are at home, there's no connection. In fact, if burglaries are down, people would be more likely to go out somewhere, wouldn't they?

 

[numan]

You start killing innocent people and everybody stays home. What a life. Everybody afraid to go out.

And the disastrous aftermath of the Terrorist Insurrection of 1776 continues to play out, ever more hellishly.

Where will it finally end?

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[Pop23]

You start killing innocent people and everybody stays home. What a life. Everybody afraid to go out.

And the disastrous aftermath of the Terrorist Insurrection of 1776 continues to play out, ever more hellishly.

Where will it finally end?

.

Possibly with people discussing issues honestly

I invite you to start doing so

Peace

 

[testarosa]

which is going to make it rather hard

for a successful civil lawsuit

or a civil suit at. all.

;-)

true

it isnt like omara hasnt warned them

Are they smart enough

To heed the warning.

Seems Jesse isn't and is

Sticking his foot in it

Pretty badly.

There are consequences

For stupidity

 

[numan]

You start killing innocent people and everybody stays home. What a life. Everybody afraid to go out.

And the disastrous aftermath of the Terrorist Insurrection of 1776 continues to play out, ever more hellishly.

Where will it finally end?

Possibly with people discussing issues honestly

Don't be absurd!!

"discussing issues honestly" -- Americans? -- Ridiculous!!

It will never happen as long as America remains the "HOMELAND" of Lies and Malarkey --

or as President Warren G. Harding described politics in America -- "BLOVIATION"!!

Honesty and truth are utterly alien to the minds of most Americans --

Exhibit A: the words of -- but then, this is the Clean Debate Zone!!
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[Oldstyle]

And the disastrous aftermath of the Terrorist Insurrection of 1776 continues to play out, ever more hellishly.

Where will it finally end?

Possibly with people discussing issues honestly

Don't be absurd!!

"discussing issues honestly" -- Americans? -- Ridiculous!!

It will never happen as long as America remains the "HOMELAND" of Lies and Malarkey --

or as President Warren G. Harding described politics in America -- "BLOVIATION"!!

Honesty and truth are utterly alien to the minds of most Americans --

Exhibit A: the words of -- but then, this is the Clean Debate Zone!!
.

Gee, someone seems to have an "issue" with America! "Honesty and truth are utterly alien to the minds of most Americans"? Really? It would appear that you let your utter hatred of Americans out with utterly ridiculous statements like that one. Spend a lot of time in America, have you? Know a lot of us personally?

I hate to break this to you, Numan...but "malarkey" is pretty much your stock in trade on this board. You don't discuss issues in an honest manner. You have your beliefs and you slant whatever you post to reflect those beliefs...something that many people here do. What makes you such a douche is that you do it while pretending to be above such behavior.

 

[Oldstyle]

Someone with your intellectual capabilities using Stephen Hawking as an avatar is the epitome of "wishful thinking". The only thing the two of you have in common is that each of you is obviously handicapped. Your handicap however isn't physical...it's your arrogance.

 

[Wake]

I value all of your opinions, because you are the people who care enough to shape the future.

What I humbly ask, though, is that you not attack each other personally in this thread, please.

 

[numan]

Gee, someone seems to have an "issue" with America! "Honesty and truth are utterly alien to the minds of most Americans"? Really? It would appear that you let your utter hatred of Americans out with utterly ridiculous statements like that one. Spend a lot of time in America, have you? Know a lot of us personally?

"Magic words of, 'Poof-poof, Piffle!'", Mr. Antiquated.

I was born and raised in one of the major centers of Lying in the United States -- Los Angeles.

I certainly do have an issue with America -- unlike the deluded rest of you, I know quite well that America has taken a very evil path which will result in disaster both for Americans and others.

I do not regard Americans as congenitally or uniquely stupid and deluded -- their pre-eminence in these qualities in the modern world is due to the simple fact that US wealth and power make Americans the most profitable to brainwash and exploit by the most evil elements of modern society.

Americans were never a particularly admirable lot, but compared to the exceedingly low level of mind and character of most modern Americans, the Americans before World War II look like heroes and sages.

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[Oldstyle]

Trayvon Martin was a thug in training. This is not important except in one respect. Was being a young thug, just trying his wings, the kind of person who would have a propensity to attack others? The jury, upon the testimony of Rachel Jeantel that Martin probably threw the first punch, concluded that he was.

In this case, Zimmerman is innocent. The reason is that the jury ruled self-defense, which is not a crime. The initial police report showed that his wounds were consistent with what Zimmerman told police after the fact, which showed that he was not the aggressor.

There's very little question that Trayvon Martin gave George Zimmerman a beating before Zimmerman pulled a gun and shot him. It was about as clear cut a case of self defense as I've ever seen yet Martin's actions have been excused because he was "followed". I'm sorry but since when did following someone at a distance after calling the Police to report suspicious activity become an excuse for assault & battery?

ALTER2EGO -to- EVERYONE:
The above bigoted comments are from just the first page of this thread. Need I say more? Do you understand now why Zimmerman's racial profiling of an unarmed black youth--leading to him actively pursuing and then executing the unarmed youth, after which Zimmerman got off scott free--is such an outrage to Black people?


Zimmerman's remark to the 911 operator was that an African American kid who appeared about 18 years old was looking “like he’s up to no good.” That's called racial profiling.


Zimmerman then got out of his car and pursued the juvenile. Zimmerman said under his breath: "They always get away." Assigning the word "they" in negative undertones to an entire ethnic group is called racial profiling. Below is a weblink as well as a video of the 911 phone call. Listen for the following statements.


Zimmerman to Operator: "He's running."

911 Operator to Zimmerman: "Are you following him?"

Zimmerman to Operator: "Yeah."

911 Operator to Zimmerman: "Okay, we don't need you to do that. Okay?"

Raw: 911 call Zimmerman made to Sanford police (Explicit) | www.wftv.com

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOpGAOXL5Uk]Trayvon Martin 911 Call - YouTube[/ame]


Trayvon phoned his girlfriend and informed her that he was being pursued by a "Cracker" aka Whitie. By then, the youth was in a fight or flight situation. He was running, trying to get away, with Zimmerman in hot pursuit.


QUESTION to Katzndogz, freedombecki, and Oldstyle: What would you have done if you were Trayvon and you found yourself being pursued by a complete stranger for reasons unknown?


The forum would like to know.




Operator describes George Zimmerman's 911 call on Trayvon Martin

Prosecutor Richard Mantei focused on the words used in that call, particularly when Noffke asked Zimmerman if he was following Martin.

“Why did you ask … 'Are you following him?'” the prosecutor asked Noffke.

“It sounded like movement and wind coming through the phone, after [Zimmerman] stated the subject was running,” Noffke said.

“How come you didn’t … say ‘don’t follow'?” the prosecutor asked him.

Noffke explained that for legal reasons, 911 operators may not give such orders. “We’re directly liable if we give a direct order,” he said. “We always try to give general basic … not commands, just suggestions.”

Under cross-examination, Noffke told defense attorney Mark O’Mara, “It’s best to avoid any kind of confrontation, to just get away from the situation,” a comment that might bolster prosecution allegations that the incident could have been avoided if Zimmerman had stayed in his vehicle.
Operator describes George Zimmerman's 911 call on Trayvon Martin - latimes.com

Did you actually watch the trial? You make statements that lead me to believe that you've made your mind up about this case based on the narrative that was put out by the Martin families attorney's leading up to the case...a narrative that the main stream media chose to go with rather than examining who these two people REALLY were and what the evidence indicated happened that night.

Let's take the Zimmerman phone call...

So much has been made that the dispatcher told George Zimmerman "We don't need you to do that." Somehow THAT indicates to you that Zimmerman was breaking the law in some way. Quite frankly that's an absurd conclusion and I'll tell you why.

First of all the reason that Zimmerman may have gotten OUT of his SUV and attempted to follow Trayvon Martin is that same dispatcher had just asked him if he could see which way the suspicious teenager had run. It's at THAT point that Zimmerman exits his truck and tries to follow Martin. Is Zimmerman simply trying to do what the dispatcher is asking?

Secondly, what is Zimmerman's response when the dispatcher realizes that he may be out of his vehicle and trying to run after the fleeing teen? The dispatcher says "We don't need you to do that." and Zimmerman responds with "OK". Not "He's getting away!" Not "I'm tired of these kids getting away!" No, Zimmerman replies "OK". Then he starts walking back to his SUV while trying to figure out where he's going to meet the Police.

Thirdly, the admonition from the dispatcher isn't because he feels that Zimmerman is breaking any laws. The dispatcher said what he did out of concern for Zimmerman's safety because (and this is crucial!) the Police are scared to death of being liable if something happens to someone who is following their instructions.

Now back to your question about what "I" would do if I were pursued by a stranger at night. First of all what I would NEVER do...is leave a safe area and return to a dangerous one. I don't think ANY rationale person would do that...yet that's EXACTLY what Trayvon Martin DID! When he ran from Zimmerman he was in the area of the townhouse he was staying at when Rachel Jenteal called him back...breathing hard from running away. That townhouse is over 120 yards from where the fight took place...that townhouse is over 120 yards away from the "creepy assed Cracker" that was following Trayvon! Yet somehow, Martin managed to end up Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back at the T of those sidewalks confronting George Zimmerman! So explain how that happens, Alter if Martin doesn't MAKE it happen?

 

[Oldstyle]

I value all of your opinions, because you are the people who care enough to shape the future.

What I humbly ask, though, is that you not attack each other personally in this thread, please.

I could care less if Numan attacks "me" personally. If he disagrees with my points or thinks I'm an idiot then he should feel free to say so. What annoys me is that Numan has chosen the easy way out...the intellectually lazy way out...by attacking America as a whole as being terrorists and liars. He is quite frankly...a pompous asshole.

 

[Wake]

I value all of your opinions, because you are the people who care enough to shape the future.

What I humbly ask, though, is that you not attack each other personally in this thread, please.

I could care less if Numan attacks "me" personally. If he disagrees with my points or thinks I'm an idiot then he should feel free to say so. What annoys me is that Numan has chosen the easy way out...the intellectually lazy way out...by attacking America as a whole as being terrorists and liars. He is quite frankly...a pompous asshole.

While I do like both of you, there is something we can do about this. Numan stated that Americans were never a particularly admirable lot. You can chip away at that piece he put on the board by posting each and every exceptional American throughout history, from George Washington Carver to John F. Kennedy. When he makes broad assertions like that, he makes himself vulnerable because now you can break down that faulty mental construct of his as much as you want, which would make it even harder for him to persuade others to believe his argument over yours. Give him a challenge by really putting him through his paces on logic and reason, making sure to catch him if/when he makes any of the various logical fallacies out there. Doing so gives your own positions more weight. Also, by not giving in and attacking him personally you show to everyone else that you, Mr. Oldstyle, has the cooler head. That, too, helps anyone in debate.

You can make more of an impact by thoroughly destroying arguments, instead of attacking a person's character.

 

[Oldstyle]

Someone making the statement that Americans were not exceptional has already proven themselves to be ignorant of history. While America is becoming less and less exceptional with each passing year because of our dependence on a cradle to the grave Nanny State, it is still head and shoulders above most of the rest of the world.

Trying to educate someone like Numan about that however would be a total waste of time. He'll simply reply that I'm an American "liar". That's his stock reply to all viewpoints he has no counter to.

 

[Wake]

Someone making the statement that Americans were not exceptional has already proven themselves to be ignorant of history. While America is becoming less and less exceptional with each passing year because of our dependence on a cradle to the grave Nanny State, it is still head and shoulders above most of the rest of the world.

Trying to educate someone like Numan about that however would be a total waste of time. He'll simply reply that I'm an American "liar". That's his stock reply to all viewpoints he has no counter to.

No, I give Numan the benefit of the doubt, because I believe in him as well as you. I'll agree with you that America does seem to be becoming less exceptional because of the cradle-to-the-grave governmental effect. Maybe Numan would open his ears up a bit more to you (general you) if he wasn't getting called names or having his own ideas or personal affects ridiculed. It takes at least two to build a bridge (I think, considering the latest technology).

There is a style and a way to winning people over. It must be genuine, and it takes an effort on your part to be nice to people. I'd really like to see you two hash it out on arguments and ideas alone, so that we can try to find out exactly what the ideological "cruxes" are that you two aren't able to agree on. Maybe we can work that out?

 

[Pop23]

And the disastrous aftermath of the Terrorist Insurrection of 1776 continues to play out, ever more hellishly.

Where will it finally end?

Possibly with people discussing issues honestly

Don't be absurd!!

"discussing issues honestly" -- Americans? -- Ridiculous!!

It will never happen as long as America remains the "HOMELAND" of Lies and Malarkey --

or as President Warren G. Harding described politics in America -- "BLOVIATION"!!

Honesty and truth are utterly alien to the minds of most Americans --

Exhibit A: the words of -- but then, this is the Clean Debate Zone!!
.

Are you the pot or the kettle?

 

[PMZ]

Someone making the statement that Americans were not exceptional has already proven themselves to be ignorant of history. While America is becoming less and less exceptional with each passing year because of our dependence on a cradle to the grave Nanny State, it is still head and shoulders above most of the rest of the world.

Trying to educate someone like Numan about that however would be a total waste of time. He'll simply reply that I'm an American "liar". That's his stock reply to all viewpoints he has no counter to.

No, I give Numan the benefit of the doubt, because I believe in him as well as you. I'll agree with you that America does seem to be becoming less exceptional because of the cradle-to-the-grave governmental effect. Maybe Numan would open his ears up a bit more to you (general you) if he wasn't getting called names or having his own ideas or personal affects ridiculed. It takes at least two to build a bridge (I think, considering the latest technology).

There is a style and a way to winning people over. It must be genuine, and it takes an effort on your part to be nice to people. I'd really like to see you two hash it out on arguments and ideas alone, so that we can try to find out exactly what the ideological "cruxes" are that you two aren't able to agree on. Maybe we can work that out?

Taking credit for an exceptional America. How's that for extremism.

 

[PMZ]

Exceptional America is easy to plot.

The trajectory of almost every measure of progress under Clinton, Bush, and Obama.

Another measure of the pride in America is the attitude towards America when our news came from Morrow, Swazy, Cronkite, the NYTimes, main stream media in general vs the constant America bashing of Fox News, Rush and his cronies, and right wing media sites, and, yes, the GOP.

The assault on American exceptionalism is almost an entirely right wing attack on everything American. Including the right to walk the street unarmed.

 

[jon_berzerk]

or a civil suit at. all.

;-)

true

it isnt like omara hasnt warned them

Are they smart enough

To heed the warning.

Seems Jesse isn't and is

Sticking his foot in it

Pretty badly.

There are consequences

For stupidity

exactly

you have the hang of it

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Exceptional America is easy to plot.

The trajectory of almost every measure of progress under Clinton, Bush, and Obama.

Another measure of the pride in America is the attitude towards America when our news came from Morrow, Swazy, Cronkite, the NYTimes, main stream media in general vs the constant America bashing of Fox News, Rush and his cronies, and right wing media sites, and, yes, the GOP.

The assault on American exceptionalism is almost an entirely right wing attack on everything American. Including the right to walk the street unarmed.

How are we exceptional? The rest the world owns us and poverty is at all-time highs? I guess you bought the propaganda of your lords and masters.