Texas lawmakers want to end state holiday commemorating Confederate veterans

[martybegan]

And that changes what exactly? Does it make it right?

It makes people trying to erase them from history retarded, as well as short sighted, for doing something that wasn't considered universally wrong at the time it was happening.

That's why comparisons to the Holocaust are also retarded, because even the people doing it knew it was wrong, they just didn't care.

Slavers called it slavery, they didn't make up weasel phrases like "The final solution to the jewish question"

 

[Zincwarrior]

They werent traitors they honestly believed they could leave the UNION. And the war was not an attempt to overthrow the US Government.

They thought wrong and attacked US troops.

A call made by the men who beat them, not some dem mayor or governor backed by purple haired gender confused white SJW cry babies.

By the politicians anyway. And now politicians can remove the last vestiges of their stain.

 

[martybegan]

They thought wrong and attacked US troops.

By the politicians anyway. And now politicians can remove the last vestiges of their stain.

Actually they mostly attacked State Troops, there were very few troops were actually "US" troops.

By the people they fought. Each side remembered their own way, who are we to judge that?

 

[ABikerSailor]

Yanno, with all this hullabaloo about holidays for Confederate soldiers being eliminated, just a quick question.............how many holidays celebrate Union soldiers?

 

[martybegan]

Yanno, with all this hullabaloo about holidays for Confederate soldiers being eliminated, just a quick question.............how many holidays celebrate Union soldiers?

The Union pretty much Co-opted July 4th for decades due to Vicksburg and Gettsyburg happening around that time. Plus losers tend to celebrate more due to that being all they have. Look up

Also, if you find anything named "Union" or "GAR" Station, plaza, park or monument, it's pretty much a Union Cause and Solider celebration/memorial.

 

[ABikerSailor]

The Union pretty much Co-opted July 4th for decades due to Vicksburg and Gettsyburg happening around that time. Plus losers tend to celebrate more due to that being all they have. Look up

Also, if you find anything named "Union" or "GAR" Station, plaza, park or monument, it's pretty much a Union Cause and Solider celebration/memorial.

There are specific holidays for Confederate soldiers and for leaders of the Confederacy. What specific holidays are there for Union soldiers or Union leaders? 4th of July doesn't count, as that is for all Americans.

 

[Blaster]

Actually they mostly attacked State Troops, there were very few troops were actually "US" troops.

By the people they fought. Each side remembered their own way, who are we to judge that?

A very good point.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Actually they mostly attacked State Troops, there were very few troops were actually "US" troops.

By the people they fought. Each side remembered their own way, who are we to judge that?

Because that was then. This is now.

Yanno, with all this hullabaloo about holidays for Confederate soldiers being eliminated, just a quick question.............how many holidays celebrate Union soldiers?

Exactly.

 

[martybegan]

Because that was then. This is now.

Exactly.

That's the whole point of my sides argument, then vs. now. Applying today's morals to yesterday's actions as if they happened today is idiotic.

 

[Zincwarrior]

That's the whole point of my sides argument, then vs. now. Applying today's morals to yesterday's actions as if they happened today is idiotic.

Cool then we don't need monuments and holidays to people who have no connection to the US or US holidays.

 

[martybegan]

Cool then we don't need monuments and holidays to people who have no connection to the US or US holidays.

All this shade thrown over the hissy fits of a few SJW losers.

And as we have seen it doesn't stop with confederates. Jefferson, Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, it's going to go on and on and on.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

All this shade thrown over the hissy fits of a few SJW losers.

And as we have seen it doesn't stop with confederates. Jefferson, Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, it's going to go on and on and on.

They want Mt Rushmore gone

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Civil War Heroes Day

The only heroes are those who fought to preserve our nation from southern lawless rebellion and treason.

 

[Ralph Norton]

The only heroes are those who fought to preserve our nation from southern lawless rebellion and treason.

♫ ♪ Oh i'm a yankee doodle dandy ♪ ♫

 

[RetiredGySgt]

And that changes what exactly? Does it make it right?

It was socially acceptable back then so FOR that society even though it was evil it was in fact right.

 

[ABikerSailor]

They want Mt Rushmore gone

Actually, it's mainly Native Americans (Sioux) who want their land back. Some would like to see Mt Rushmore gone, some want to see it turned into a museum much like the Holocaust museum to remember injustices against the Native Americans and the broken treaties.

But, mainly they want the land back which was originally promised to them in a treaty, as it is sacred ground to them.

And no.....................there are no plans to get rid of Mt. Rushmore any time soon. But, if the fear mongering helps you sleep at night, continue on, Bitchy Irish Karen Ass.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

This is just more Marxist encroachment. More Marxist attempts to destroy American culture and history for the purpose of overthrowing this country with a Marxism/globalist tyranny.
Democrats and lefties are blatant anti-American creeps. Most are too stupid and ignorant to realize it. Democrat voters are the most ignorant and stupid alleged Americans in the history of this country.

 

[Doug1943]

Of course, the site of America-hating Leftists suddenly discovering 'patriotism' to condemn the Confederacy is ... well, one wavers between laughter and anger.

I'm glad the Union won. Even if the South had not had slavery, and tried to secede, I would be glad the Union won. ... but that's another argument. The fact is, the war was over slavery, not tarrifs or some abstract idea of states' rights. Slavery was an abomination, abolished in Christian Europe a thousand years ago, but then... due to economic temptation, taken from Africa (the only cultural institution we did take, there being no others worth having) so that the Europeans could have their non-temperate zone conquests worked. (The slaves had the status of inhabitants of socialist countries, except with better living standards. And plenty of Lefties in the past celebrated 'socialist slavery'.)

Now ... we see these contemptable white middle-class rabble judging the men of the Confederacy, the great majority of whom were not slave-owners.

I prefer to judge them as the men who fought against them judged them. Here's an example.

You need to know who Joseph Chamberlain was -- a college professor who volunteered to fight, and ended up commanding the 20th Maine, which held the extreme left of the Union line, on Little Roudn Top -- had they failed, the Union line would have been rolled up, and Gettysburg would have been a Confederate victory.

They were repeatedly charged by the Confederates, and after 90 minutes of combat, were running out of ammo. The Confederates began forming up for another charge ... so Chamberlain ordered them to ... fix bayonets ... and charge! Which they did, and scattered the Rebels. [20th Maine Infantry Regiment - Wikipedia]

Those were real men. Can you imagine the riff-raff of AntiFa doing anything like that?

Chamberlain was chosen to command the Union troops at Lee's surrender at Appomattox. Here's what he thought of the Southern "traitors":

" For my personal part I…have been in five battles…twice wounded myself—my horse shot—in the front line when the flag of truce came through from Lee—had the last shot + the last man killed, in their campaign; + yesterday was designated to receive the surrender of the arms of Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia.

"The ceremony itself deeply moved Chamberlain, who would later write:

Instructions had been given; and when the head of each division column comes opposite our group, our bugle sounds the signal and instantly our whole line from right to left, regiment by regiment in succession, gives the soldier’s salutation, from the “order arms” to the old “carry”— the marching salute. Gordon at the head of the column, riding with heavy spirit and downcast face, catches the sound of shifting arms, looks up, and, taking the meaning, wheels superbly…with profound salutation as he drops the point of his sword to the boot toe; then facing to his own command, gives word for his successive brigades to pass us with the same position of the manual, honor answering honor."

[ Honor Answering Honor: “Bloody Chamberlain” and the Surrender at Appomattox – The Campaign for the National Museum of the United States Army ]

Honor answering honor. That's what the Left lacks: honor. They cannot even conceive of it. But both the men of the Union and of the Confederacy had it, and recognized it in each other.

It's not that they don't have their heroes, though. The liberal New York City Council recently honored one, someone who helped Stalin get the atomic bomb.
[ The City Council’s ‘heroes’ from hell ]
[ City Council honors Ethel Rosenberg for ‘great bravery’ ]
[ ‘60 Minutes’ pushing Ethel Rosenberg pardon — don’t buy it ]

You really couldn't make this stuff up.

By the way, an excellent novel about the Battle of Gettysburg is Michael Shaara's The Killer Angels. (I'd post an Amazon link but it is apparently not allowed here.) (Hollywood made an untypically-accurate movie about it, called Gettysburg. )

This book is highly recommended. An acquaintance told me he was assigned it at Army War College. It gives you an insight into the thinking of the men on both sides, and also correctly (in my opinion) shows what the stakes were, and why the South had to be defeated.

(In a nutshell: the successful seccession of the South would have opened centrifigal currents in the remaining rump of the Union, and other regions might have done likewise. We would have ended up with three or four small democratic republics, instead of one big strong one. And in the 20th Century, we needed a big strong one. We're losing it now, but that can't be helped.)

 

[Doug1943]

Actually, it's mainly Native Americans (Sioux) who want their land back. Some would like to see Mt Rushmore gone, some want to see it turned into a museum much like the Holocaust museum to remember injustices against the Native Americans and the broken treaties.

But, mainly they want the land back which was originally promised to them in a treaty, as it is sacred ground to them.

And no.....................there are no plans to get rid of Mt. Rushmore any time soon. But, if the fear mongering helps you sleep at night, continue on, Bitchy Irish Karen Ass.

A government of American patriots should offer Native Americans as much self-determination as possible. If they want their own separate nation-states -- ie the equivalent of Canada -- they should be granted them. These new states should then be given a generous 'starter' grant, in recognition of what was taken from them by force. They could join in the other North American trans-national institutions, like NAFTA and NORAD.

American conservatives are patriots, even America-first nationalists. So they should recognize and honor the patriotism of others, the desire to be ruled by 'their own'.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

♫ ♪ Oh i'm a yankee doodle dandy ♪ ♫

Treasonous war criminals who fought to destroy America and keep enslaved Americans in bondage are not ‘heroes’ – they deserve nothing but contempt.