Texas lawmakers want to end state holiday commemorating Confederate veterans

[bodecea]

Not traitors but people that believed in state rights.

A state's right to own humans.

 

[Zincwarrior]

How is that not erasing American history?

List of monuments and memorials removed during the George Floyd protests - Wikipedia

Answer the question. How is that removing the history of the civil war? Thats what history books are for - well until you ban them for teaching CRT.

 

[bodecea]

How is that not erasing American history?

List of monuments and memorials removed during the George Floyd protests - Wikipedia

Sorry to hear that you MAGAts have now forgotten about the Civil War because those "reminder" statues have been taken down. May I suggest a history book?

 

[Blaster]

A state's right to own humans.

A different time in history when it was socially acceptable.

 

[Doug1943]

A question for the Lefty faux-patriots here: Suppose there were abolitionists who wanted to secede from the slave-owning or slave-owning-condoning American Republic, in the early 19th Century.

And suppose they succeeded in winning a majority, say in some of the New England states, and then proceeded to attempt to secede.

Now, the slave-owners would certainly have called them 'traitors'. (John Brown, a hero in my opinion, is one of the few people in the US who was actually convicted of 'treason', by the way.)

In your eyes, would they have been? Was John Brown a traitor?

 

[Dekster]

The easiest way to eliminate a holiday is to replace it with something else. Call it Barbara Jordon-George Bush Day or something for the bipartisan support.

 

[Zincwarrior]

The easiest way to eliminate a holiday is to replace it with something else. Call it Barbara Jordon-George Bush Day or something for the bipartisan support.

International Wiener Dogs Burrowing under Blankets Day!

 

[RetiredGySgt]

A question for the Lefty faux-patriots here: Suppose there were abolitionists who wanted to secede from the slave-owning or slave-owning-condoning American Republic, in the early 19th Century.

And suppose they succeeded in winning a majority, say in some of the New England states, and then proceeded to attempt to secede.

Now, the slave-owners would certainly have called them 'traitors'. (John Brown, a hero in my opinion, is one of the few people in the US who was actually convicted of 'treason', by the way.)

In your eyes, would they have been? Was John Brown a traitor?

Brown was a traitor because he waged war on his own against the US Government his intention was to start a revolution and overthrow the Government to get what he wanted. While what he wanted was laudable his methods were not.

 

[Dekster]

International Wiener Dogs Burrowing under Blankets Day!

Had a beagle who did that. I am amazed I never killed her as many times as a sat on her not knowing she was there under a blanket.

 

[Doug1943]

Brown was a traitor because he waged war on his own against the US Government his intention was to start a revolution and overthrow the Government to get what he wanted. While what he wanted was laudable his methods were not.

Okay ... and what about the men of the Confederacy?

By the way, good people can be driven by intolerable injustice to do stupid things. See, for example,
[ Herschel Grynszpan - Wikipedia ]

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Okay ... and what about the men of the Confederacy?

By the way, good people can be driven by intolerable injustice to do stupid things. See, for example,
[ Herschel Grynszpan - Wikipedia ]

The States felt they had a right to withdraw and were wrong on that count, But they did not attempt to overthrow the US Government.

 

[JGalt]

Answer the question. How is that removing the history of the civil war? Thats what history books are for - well until you ban them for teaching CRT.

Do you really think the history books used in school even mention some of those people from the monuments? Most of those monuments were also paid for by private individuals or veteran's groups.

 

[jwoodie]

Should the Brits get rid of Guy Fawkes Day?

 

[Zincwarrior]

Do you really think the history books used in school even mention some of those people from the monuments?

Yep. Or a nice documentary.

Most of those monuments were also paid for by private individuals or veteran's groups.

And? If they are on public land then that is irrelevant. They are donations. Now lets go back to the topic-why are we celebrating Traitors and not Heroes of the Union? Care to guess?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Yep. Or a nice documentary.

And? If they are on public land then that is irrelevant. They are donations. Now lets go back to the topic-why are we celebrating Traitors and not Heroes of the Union? Care to guess?

They werent traitors they honestly believed they could leave the UNION. And the war was not an attempt to overthrow the US Government.

 

[martybegan]

A state's right to own humans.

Like almost all of the world believed around 5 decades before, and most of the world still did around the same time.

The British Empire was ahead of the curve, but only a few decades so.

The Russians still had serfs at this point, the Indians had (and still have) their undesirables, and the Spanish were far crueler slavers than the southerners ever were, and they only moved onto Africans after they worked the natives to death.

 

[martybegan]

They werent traitors they honestly believed they could leave the UNION. And the war was not an attempt to overthrow the US Government.

They could have been collectively called that, but the purpose of the war was to bring them back into the Union as citizens, which was done. Part of the bargain was letting them commemorate the loss as they saw fit.

 

[martybegan]

Yep. Or a nice documentary.

And? If they are on public land then that is irrelevant. They are donations. Now lets go back to the topic-why are we celebrating Traitors and not Heroes of the Union? Care to guess?

They were welcomed back to the Union, almost all of them, and even the leaders were eventually pardoned.

A call made by the men who beat them, not some dem mayor or governor backed by purple haired gender confused white SJW cry babies.

 

[MarcATL]

Slavery was acceptable back then. Stealing land from Native Americans was also accepted as normal.

And that changes what exactly? Does it make it right?

 

[Blaster]

And that changes what exactly? Does it make it right?

I never said it was right, I just stated a fact.