Texas Democrats flee the state to Illinois.

[Maxdeath]

There was a bill to end gerrymandering nation wide - several actually. Guess who voted against it? If your answer was "every single Republican" you win.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/3750/all-info

Let me see if I have this right. Democrats wanted to end gerrymandering after they had carved up a large portion of the states in their favor and you are unable to understand why the republicans were not in favor of letting it pass?
I guess you would be fine with someone telling you that only the guest bath and guest bedroom belonged to you and were all you could use while they owned the rest of the house and had free use of it.

 

[Nostra]

The census in the constitution calls for all people to be counted. Why then would we not count all people?

“We the PEOPLE………”

People means Americans.

 

[Nostra]

Possibly. This Supreme Court routinely treats precedent as 2-ply before wiping their ass with it. But the 14th amendment's plain language is clear as a bell. "counting the whole number of persons in each State".

Social media posts don't change that.

So we should count every tourist in the US at the time of the census?

 

[Maxdeath]

You've already said that the FBI isn't involved in any law enforcement in this case.

So what's the FBI legal justification for hunting Americans on American soil OUTSIDE of law enforcement?

Jesus dude. Aren't you guys the one's giving empty lip service to the idea of opposing federal overreach. And now you're insisting that the FBI can hunt ANY American with no reason, outside of any law enforcement, on US soil without any crime, nor being suspected of a crime.

Just hunted for no reason.

Conservatives aren't what they used to be.


And again, what can the Texas LEOs do? They have no jurisdiction. There is no crime. They have no laws to enforce, as there is no law against leaving Texas.

This is empty political grandstanding, using the FBI as a prop.

Were you all over the CIA when they were spying on the senate? How many times did you claim they were not doing it because they would never spy on American citizens?

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

A lie by omission. The bill would have been pointless because it would not have addressed the gerrymandering already in place.

Even that bullshit were true, it would have helped Republicans.....because the biggest gerrymandering is in TX, FL, OH, NC, and WI.
Only IL compares to these states on the Democratic side.

But guess what? What you said is not true. The 2022 bill would have created independent commissions nationwide to re-draw districts in each state and end gerrymandering once and for all.

Left that little bit out, didn't you? You substitute provable points for name-calling, which only proves the weakness of your premise.

I left it out because it's not true. Because you know nothing and you just make shit up....like all MAGAs. Because you can't debate for shit.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Let me see if I have this right. Democrats wanted to end gerrymandering after they had carved up a large portion of the states in their favor and you are unable to understand why the republicans were not in favor of letting it pass?
I guess you would be fine with someone telling you that only the guest bath and guest bedroom belonged to you and were all you could use while they owned the rest of the house and had free use of it.

The most gerrymandered states are most run by Republicans.

15 states get a grade of D or F when it comes to gerrymandering. 11 of those 15 states are run by Republicans.

That is a fact. It's just a fact that you don't like.

Redistricting Report Card

Gerrymandering Project

gerrymander.princeton.edu

 

[j-mac]

Then what is the full picture?

Do your own deep dive, I’m not here to do your homework for you. But, a bit of advice would be that relying on partisan sites like Raw Story aren’t going to serve you well, unless you only want confirmation bias….

 

[Maxdeath]

The most gerrymandered states are most run by Republicans.

15 states get a grade of D or F when it comes to gerrymandering. 11 of those 15 states are run by Republicans.

That is a fact. It's just a fact that you don't like.

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Redistricting Report Card

Gerrymandering Project

gerrymander.princeton.edu

Actually I could care less about either cult. They both suck. But the last time Texas was gerrymandered democrats did it to increase their representation. When the republicans wanted to do it the democrats fled rather then allow it to take place. When the democrats did it no republicans fled the state. Do you see a difference between the two equally bad parties?

 

[Cellblock2429]

Was a census taken?

You fail to understand the word term.
Let's choose a president every 2 years.

/—-/ That’s ridiculous. The constitution clearly states the president’s term is four year term, not new elections within four years. GEEEZE, are you really this thick?

 

[berg80]

Democrats wanted to end gerrymandering after they had carved up a large portion of the states in their favor

Without the more level playing field provided by the Freedom to Vote Act, states draw congressional districts using wildly different rules. Some of this decade’s congressional maps are models of fairness; others are decidedly not. Both parties engaged in gerrymandering after the 2020 census, but, overall, the bias in this cycle’s maps strongly favors Republicans due primarily to aggressive gerrymandering in GOP strongholds in the South and Midwest. In total, the Brennan Center estimates that this gerrymandering will give Republicans an advantage of around 16 House seats in the 2024 race to control Congress compared to fair maps.

How Gerrymandering Tilts the 2024 Race for the House

Skewed maps give Republicans big advantages in 11 states, mostly in the South and Midwest.

www.brennancenter.org

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Actually I could care less about either cult. They both suck. But the last time Texas was gerrymandered democrats did it to increase their representation. When the republicans wanted to do it the democrats fled rather then allow it to take place. When the democrats did it no republicans fled the state. Do you see a difference between the two equally bad parties?

You think you're making a legitimate argument......when you are admitting that Texas Republicans were gerrymandering a few years ago, something they should not be doing.

It's kind of hard to make a legitimate point when you are admitting that your side did something wrong back in 2021 or 2022 when Republicans previously gerrymandered the state.

 

[Nostra]

I know that.
Then every 10 years after that
"5 years is within 10 years"?
It doesn't work like that.
"and within every subsequent Term of ten years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct".

What reason would states have to redistrict congressional representation, without a census being taken?

5 years is within 10 years. You Dimwingers suck at math.

The reason is they won’t count illegals, Stupid.

 

[Maxdeath]

Without the more level playing field provided by the Freedom to Vote Act, states draw congressional districts using wildly different rules. Some of this decade’s congressional maps are models of fairness; others are decidedly not. Both parties engaged in gerrymandering after the 2020 census, but, overall, the bias in this cycle’s maps strongly favors Republicans due primarily to aggressive gerrymandering in GOP strongholds in the South and Midwest. In total, the Brennan Center estimates that this gerrymandering will give Republicans an advantage of around 16 House seats in the 2024 race to control Congress compared to fair maps.

How Gerrymandering Tilts the 2024 Race for the House

Skewed maps give Republicans big advantages in 11 states, mostly in the South and Midwest.

www.brennancenter.org

So you are using a biased left Brennan center to make a point. Got it. Would you care to use a biased right to make the same point? I really doubt it

 

[Nostra]

After the census.

2025 is after the census, Simp.

 

[berg80]

So you are using a biased left Brennan center to make a point. Got it. Would you care to use a biased right to make the same point? I really doubt it

I'd have a modicum of respect for you if you tried to prove their assertion to be factually incorrect. As it is I have none.

It is no surprise that the effects of gerrymandering tilt in favor of the GOP. This decade, as last, Republicans disproportionately controlled the redistricting process, drawing 191 (or 44 percent) of the districts that will be used in this year’s elections. By contrast, Democrats fully controlled the drawing of only 75 districts. The rest were drawn by commissions, courts, or divided governments.

 

[Maxdeath]

You think you're making a legitimate argument......when you are admitting that Texas Republicans were gerrymandering a few years ago, something they should not be doing.

It's kind of hard to make a legitimate point when you are admitting that your side did something wrong back in 2021 or 2022 when Republicans previously gerrymandered the state.

Are you insane? I said and I will say it again that the last time Texas was gerrymandered the democrats did it.
I did not say it was right or wrong. I did not say that the republicans wanting to do it was right or wrong. What I did say is when the democrats gerrymandered the states in their the republicans did not flee the state.

 

[Nostra]

Even that bullshit were true, it would have helped Republicans.....because the biggest gerrymandering is in TX, FL, OH, NC, and WI

Massachusetts has ZERO Republicans in Congress, despite Trump getting 36% of the vote there.

 

[Maxdeath]

I'd have a modicum of respect for you if you tried to prove their assertion to be factually incorrect. As it is I have none.

You have no respect for anyone that does not march to the democrat drumbeat. Since I do not and I really have no respect for anyone who marches to either parties drumbeat we have a mutual disrespect.

 

[Nostra]

The most gerrymandered states are most run by Republicans.

15 states get a grade of D or F when it comes to gerrymandering. 11 of those 15 states are run by Republicans.

That is a fact. It's just a fact that you don't like.

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Redistricting Report Card

Gerrymandering Project

gerrymander.princeton.edu

Mass is green?

Your source is a ******* joke, like you.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Are you insane? I said and I will say it again that the last time Texas was gerrymandered the democrats did it.

You're actually insane -- this makes no sense, since Republicans have controlled the state government forever.

I guess you have no idea what the **** you are talking about. Big surprise.