Texas county where campers died was denied money to boost warning systems TWICE

[Mac-7]

The camp received adequate and timely warning. The staff at the camp has acknowledged that as a fact. No additional warning system would have made any difference in that case as nobody could reasonably anticipate or expect what was coming.

Who is the County Commissioner? What authority does he have that the majority of other officials in that country do not have? Where is the documentation of why decisions that were made were made?

Give you evidence for the GOP's 'bad record.' Your credibility or strength of argument isn't at all convincing.

The last time there was massive flooding in central Texas two families died when their vacation house broke its mooring and later crashed into a bridge down stream during the night

The next morning a Jeep Wagoner was found patiently idling where the house used to be

So they recognized the threat but failed to leave when they had the chance

 

[Foxfyre]

The last time there was massive flooding in central Texas two families died when their vacation house broke its mooring and the crashed into a bridge down stream during the night

The next morning a Jeep Wagoner was found patiently idling where the house used to be

So they recognized the threat but failed to leave when they had the chance

Certainly those on low ground near the river or other flash flood prone areas should heed flash flood warnings and get to higher ground quickly.

The situation at Camp Mystic, however, is that despite countless flashflood warnings and the Guadalupe being seriously out of his banks, it had never in 99 years ever come close to the cabins. So I can certainly understand with the amount of rain predicted, the staff was quite confident they were in no danger so long as nobody was near the river. The children and counselors were all sound asleep in their cabins. Who would wake them up when there was no danger to them anticipated?

Giving examples where tragedies occurred in other places simply is not relevant to the situation in Texas that night.

This week some folks in Ruidoso NM lost their lives in a flash flood that exceeded anything the town had EVER experienced before. The weather service had no way to know what was coming at them. The Town's people had not way to think anything like it would be coming at it after numerous dangerous and damaging flash floods there in recent years. Even with the Texas tragedy still fresh in their minds, they did not expect the water to rise as much as it did.

The fact is that in many many natural disasters that occur where they have not occurred before, people can be forgiven for not taking precautions when experience and history do not prompt taking precautions.

And, as was addressed in another thread this week, there is also the issue of 'warning fatigue' when you get countless warnings of volcanic eruptions or tornadoes or flash floods and then nothing happens. It is really easy to become complacent and not expect anything bad to happen.

 

[Crepitus]

Same thing happened in 1987 ... that's within living memory ...

The EAS was activated ... the adults didn't think to move the children out of that lowest cabin? ...

Well, they are texans after all.

 

[frigidweirdo]

You really link people who lost everything were happy with the empty reservoirs? With fire hydrants that didn't work? With the lack of fire control mitigation efforts? You are delusional.

Happy? I doubt people were happy their homes were being destroyed.

HOWEVER within any disaster you have best outcome, anything in between and worst outcome.

You can't have "better than best outcome" which is what you seem to be demanding.

 

[elektra]

Trump literally stole MAGA from Reagan.

Are you, like, twelve?

Your IQ is 12, thank you FoR LeTtInG mE nOw

 

[elektra]

Yes, MAGA is Trump's cult, and their insanity reflects the dementia and senility of Trump.

You are right, Biden is dying quickly of dementia. By the end of this Trump's term Biden will be either dead or a complete vegetable.

Thank you for projecting as well as showing how stupid you and the Democrats are.

 

[leftwinger]

Soreem ahead of pack as always.

 

[braalian]

To politicize such a terrible terrible tragedy to denigrate MAGA and Trump makes you and your ilk the reprehensible ones,

Cause if this had happened during the Biden administration, you people wouldn’t politicize it at all?

Be honest….

 

[Paddlefoot]

Its not cloud seeding. It is simple displacement and physics. More homes and roads being built along with modified drainage causes the water to run into the river faster. My town has flooding but for now I live on high ground, Although I do watch how high the water gets each time. The new homes are being built in the flood area and with that it is displacement as that home just makes the water that was there move somewhere else. Its like getting in a tub of water. it will get higher when you get into it.

 

[ReinyDays]

Its not cloud seeding. It is simple displacement and physics. More homes and roads being built along with modified drainage causes the water to run into the river faster. My town has flooding but for now I live on high ground, Although I do watch how high the water gets each time. The new homes are being built in the flood area and with that it is displacement as that home just makes the water that was there move somewhere else. Its like getting in a tub of water. it will get higher when you get into it.

Great post ... and absolutely correct ... there are twice as many of us than 50 years ago ...

 

[Foxfyre]

Cause if this had happened during the Biden administration, you people wouldn’t politicize it at all?

Be honest….

Anyone who politicizes such a disaster because they hate somebody or somebodies is a scumbag. I don't care who he/she is. No, I would not do that. If those with responsibility had not done their jobs that night, I would comment on it regardless of who is in the White House.

We all criticized the seriously politically motivated mishandling of hurricane response in the Biden administration. But I don't know a single soul who blamed him for the unforeseen flooding, damage, loss of life because of the Hurricane.

You can't blame understaffing at the weather service that has been going on for years because the units responsible for monitoring the weather and issuing warnings in that area was not understaffed. They missed the forecast by several inches of rain, yes, but meteorology is a very inexact science. If weather people were sued every time they missed a forecast nobody could afford to go into that particular occupation. As it was they did predict serious flash flooding and issued timely warnings.

You can't blame people with 99 year experience and history of the area for not knowing how high the water would get. It had never come even close to that ever before. Those accusing them because they are mostly white and probably MAGA are scum.

It was not Greg Abbott's fault who did his job appropriately in a timely manner and those accusing him are scum.

It was not Donald Trump's fault who responded appropriately and in a timely manner and those accusing him are scum.

 

[ReinyDays]

You can't blame people with 99 year experience and history of the area for not knowing how high the water would get. It had never come even close to that ever before.

Do you have a citation for that claim ... media is reporting otherwise ...

"1987 Flood Survivors refect on Nearly 40 Years of Loss" --- CBS News --- July 7th, 2025 ...

July 17th, 1987 ... look up your own sources ...

 

[Foxfyre]

Do you have a citation for that claim ... media is reporting otherwise ...

"1987 Flood Survivors refect on Nearly 40 Years of Loss" --- CBS News --- July 7th, 2025 ...

July 17th, 1987 ... look up your own sources ...

Different camp. Different time. Different circumstances.

I don't know why you people can't see that or go back almost 40 years to find something to argue with.

 

[ReinyDays]

Different camp. Different time. Different circumstances.

I don't know why you people can't see that or go back almost 40 years to find something to argue with.

Same river ... same hydrology ... same flash flood risk there in Flash Flood Alley ... obviously ...

Why do you want to blame weather forecasters, who did their job, instead of Camp Mystic proprietors? ...

 

[braalian]

Same river ... same hydrology ... same flash flood risk there in Flash Flood Alley ... obviously ...

Why do you want to blame weather forecasters, who did their job, instead of Camp Mystic proprietors? ...

There isn’t always someone to blame

Sometimes bad things happen

 

[Foxfyre]

Same river ... same hydrology ... same flash flood risk there in Flash Flood Alley ... obviously ...

Why do you want to blame weather forecasters, who did their job, instead of Camp Mystic proprietors? ...

Can you show where I EVER blamed the weather forecasters? Can you show with any credibility how the Camp Mystic people were in any way negligent considering the 99 year experience and history at that camp?

Can you show how a different camp on a different location and with a different risk is pertinent in any way to what happened at Camp Mystic?

You people are so eager to blame somebody you don't care about facts, history, reason, logic. So you strain at gnats to find some way to accuse.

NOBODY had any way to know the river would rise 34 feet in less than 90 minutes. It had NEVER done so before in the 99 year history of the camp.

Do you have your plumbing/gas lines checked every single day you live in your house or work in your office building? After 20 or 30 years in those locations, when there was an unforeseen gas leak and explosion, were you negligent and liable for that happening?

There is a deep fault under Albuquerque's south Valley that could trigger an 8.0 or bigger earthquake at any time. Geologists have known it is there for decades now. But there has been no earthquake for many centuries. Should people be required to build only earthquake resistant structures there? Should the area be evacuated?

We humans trust experience and history until there is reason not to.

Terrible tragedies happen no matter what we humans do or don't do. There is no way to know they're coming. What happened at Camp Mystic was one of them.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Different camp. Different time. Different circumstances.

I don't know why you people can't see that or go back almost 40 years to find something to argue with.

I happen to agree with your general position on all of this.

However, we have MAGAs going back to the Civil War and beyond on issues.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I agree with Foxfyre.

IMO, this is an act of God and cannot be blamed on human or institutional error.

All we can do is accept it and make changes.

 

[ReinyDays]

It had NEVER done so before in the 99 year history of the camp.

Do you have a citation? ...

 

[Foxfyre]

Do you have a citation? ...

Do you have a citation? ...

I've posted plenty of credible sources on these threads. You ignored those. You would ignore anything I posted here. Have a lovely afternoon.