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Texas county where campers died was denied money to boost warning systems TWICE
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John Edgar Slow Horses
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Be nice.
Specifically state how the Trump administration is at fault in any way in ANY of this.
Any essential personnel not yet replaced at the NWS almost certainly would not have been on duty at the time the warnings needed to be issued. The NWS defends the meteorologists who were on duty that they did as well as anybody could have done to make accurate predictions and issue timely warnings.
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No reason to believe it would happen? I lived in Eastern Oregon a large portion of my life. In mountain country prone to major thunderstorms. Anyone living in such areas should know that all it takes in an especially violent storm to exceed known flood levels, It has happened many times before in not only Texas, but most other states with that kind of terrain.
"The flooding is similar to a flood that happened in 1987 when campers at a nearby Pot O' Gold Ranch were swept away by rushing floodwaters, according to the National Weather Service. Ten of the teens tragically drowned. The remaining 33 children and adults survived as a result of a series of rescues, including dramatic helicopter rescues of several clinging to tree tops, conducted by Texas DPS, the US Army's 507th Medical Division, and a local television news station from San Antonio, Texas."
History of Camp Mystic, summer camp hit by deadly Central Texas floods
Rescue operations are ongoing in Central Texas after flash flooding along the Guadalupe River left 23 girls from Camp Mystic unaccounted for. Officials say dozens have died as catastrophic floods continue to ravage the Hill Country.www.cbsnews.com
What would you say happens more often, the Guadalupe river flooding or California wildfires?
Like you are being nice calling a member a liar and refusing to say how he lied? That's laughable.
If you can't stay how the member did not relate to the topic or lied about it in any way, you are the despicable one. Sorry.
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You shot down this argument in California where never before seen fires started up.
Now you are using the exact. same. excuse.
I mean, you can't make this stuff up.
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I have shown that over and over and over. Read the stuff in the thread. I am not going to keep posting stuff because the liar demands it be posted. Typical MAGA and Prog denial protocol.
You don't do that. Thank you.
If I accuse somebody and they ask for the specific phrase I'm objecting to, I will post it every single time. When you refuse to do that you are the dishonest one. Have a nice afternoon.
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I won't do that for the dishonest ones who ask for it over and over. You don't do that, but you do protect them. Shame. Have a nice afternoon.
I did not such thing and you cannot post any post I've made, in full context, that says I did. I said nobody expected the fire that ravaged almost all of Paradise Calfiornia and the residents there had pretty much no warning to get out. One of our own USMB members barely got out with her life and with fire scorches on the side of her van. As bad as the California government is, they can't be blamed for that. I used it as an example plain and simple.You shot down this argument in California where never before seen fires started up.
Now you are using the exact. same. excuse.
I mean, you can't make this stuff up.
Things like that happen that people cannot reasonably anticipate. Disaster happen all over the world that are unexpected and people are unprepared for. Until they happen. Once they happens, additional precautions and policy are generally put into place. Until it happens people trust history and experience.
I expect honorable people to quote me accurately. Can you do that?
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The Weather Service was missing vital personnel that would have normally been on duty, specifically, their communications specialists. Yes, the ones on duty did as well as they could, which is the damning statement for this admin. Then there is this;
"Four officials from the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) told CNN that the federal response to the devastating Texas floods was slowed by a Trump administration rule requiring cost approval from Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem.
The sources told CNN that Noem now needs to approve any expenditure anticipated to cost over $100,000.
“The sources tell us that FEMA’s deployment of urban search and rescue teams, which are typically deployed in anticipation they might be needed, instead was delayed until Monday, three days after the flood,” CNN host Anderson Cooper explained.
“Now, a source also tells us that a request Texas made for FEMA aerial imagery to aid in the search was also delayed, waiting for Secretary Noem’s approval. Now, additionally, multiple FEMA officials say that they were taken aback by the agency’s relatively limited response in the immediate aftermath of the disaster.”
The officials also told CNN that callers endured long wait times at a disaster call center as FEMA awaited approval from Noem for more staff to answer phones.
$100,000, they explained, is equivalent to “pennies” compared to the billions of dollars the agency often spends when disaster strikes. The rule makes it impossible for the agency to work as it once did, they said."
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And that means what? The area of Kerr County is called flash flood alley for a reason. So why no early warning system? One town on the Guadalupe River had an early warning system, emergency alerts on cell phones, and sirens for the town. Destruction there also, but no lives lost. And in the California wildfire areas people are told they are in harms way, and precautions have been taken to give early warning for evacuation.
Again you intentionally ignore the argument I just made. You'll need a source much more reliable than a leftwing, TDS infused CNN to reliably dispute the local news and information coming from the NWS and local officials.
Complaints about staffing cuts or needing more people to answer the phones does not mean there was substandard performance by the meteorologist and officials on duty that night. People answering the phones would likely not have been on duty, nor would any of the management personnel that will eventually be replaced. This administration has been on duty for less than six full months. It takes time to get everything done that will eventually be done.
To assume those meteorologists who were on duty and who were issuing timely warnings were somehow negligent cannot be supported with any facts no matter how much malicious, hateful people with evil intent try to politicize this tragedy and turn into another TDS fest for the left. People who do that are despicable.
NWS union says Texas office was prepared, but others are understaffed and may not be
Deadly flood in Texas sparks a debate over whether recent cuts and staffing shortages led to a greater loss of life.
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Old Rocks
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This whole area in Texas is GOP controlled. And the typical incompetence shows it.
Give your evidence or admit you are just doing malicious trolling.This whole area in Texas is GOP controlled. And the typical incompetence shows it.
Old Rocks
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We had never had a 172 square mile fire on the Malheur National Forest before 2021. But given the other huge fires we had seen on the West Coast in the prior years, it was predictable with extreme weather. So those cabins had not been flooded before, that did not mean they were not in danger of being flooded. There has been an not only an increase in the number of extreme weather event, but also of their intensity. With that in mind, maybe it would be a good idea to review not only our warning systems, but also where we are placing children's camps.
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Again you intentionally ignore the argument I just made. You'll need a source much more reliable than a leftwing, TDS infused CNN to reliably dispute the local news and information coming from the NWS and local officials.
Complaints about staffing cuts or needing more people to answer the phones does not mean there was substandard performance by the meteorologist and officials on duty that night. People answering the phones would likely not have been on duty, nor would any of the management personnel that will eventually be replaced. This administration has been on duty for less than six full months. It takes time to get everything done that will eventually be done.
To assume those meteorologists who were on duty and who were issuing timely warnings were somehow negligent cannot be supported with any facts no matter how much malicious, hateful people with evil intent try to politicize this tragedy and turn into another TDS fest for the left. People who do that are despicable.
NWS union says Texas office was prepared, but others are understaffed and may not be
Deadly flood in Texas sparks a debate over whether recent cuts and staffing shortages led to a greater loss of life.
Shame.Again you intentionally ignore the argument I just made. You'll need a source much more reliable than a leftwing, TDS infused CNN to reliably dispute the local news and information coming from the NWS and local officials.
Complaints about staffing cuts or needing more people to answer the phones does not mean there was substandard performance by the meteorologist and officials on duty that night. People answering the phones would likely not have been on duty, nor would any of the management personnel that will eventually be replaced. This administration has been on duty for less than six full months. It takes time to get everything done that will eventually be done.
To assume those meteorologists who were on duty and who were issuing timely warnings were somehow negligent cannot be supported with any facts no matter how much malicious, hateful people with evil intent try to politicize this tragedy and turn into another TDS fest for the left. People who do that are despicable.
NWS union says Texas office was prepared, but others are understaffed and may not be
Deadly flood in Texas sparks a debate over whether recent cuts and staffing shortages led to a greater loss of life.
Old Rocks
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I gave evidence that it is a very red county in the link. And a county commissioner tried to get them to put in a warning system in 2017 because of a similar event on another river in Kerr County. And brought it up every year since. And nothing done. The town of Comfort where the kids from Pot O Gold camp were drowned put in an early warning system, sirens and cell phone emergency notice, and in this flood, suffered much destruction but no loss of life. Now this admin has discontinued sharing the data from miliary satellites that monitored hurricanes at night with the Weather Service and NOAA. No reason given that makes sense. Yes, the GOP has a very bad record when it comes to doing anything to protect citizens.
The camp received adequate and timely warning. The staff at the camp has acknowledged that as a fact. No additional warning system would have made any difference in that case as nobody could reasonably anticipate or expect what was coming.
Who is the County Commissioner? What authority does he have that the majority of other officials in that country do not have? Where is the documentation of why decisions that were made were made?
Give you evidence for the GOP's 'bad record.' Your credibility or strength of argument isn't at all convincing.
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I agree with thatThis whole area in Texas is GOP controlled. And the typical incompetence shows it.
The Texas Hill Country is God’s country and that means republicans
They dropped the ball this time
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