Admiral Rockwell Tory
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Nice to see you move up in the world, 'Admiral'.Besides, starting Monday I will be working for the Army!
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No, trying to bring them up to standards!
My supervisor is a retired SFC.
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Nice to see you move up in the world, 'Admiral'.Besides, starting Monday I will be working for the Army!
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You forgot the free food and stellar accommodations.
That cabin is very old and at one time would have been a home most Americans would have been proud to have, dude.
Oh. You mean like Hebrews? Native Americans? Irish folks? Asians?Teacher asks 8th-grade students to list positives of slavery
Let's see...
1. Free labor.
2. The cotton industry was booming.
3. As the great Cliven Bundy once said, it "gave them something to do".
4. 12 Years A Slave, which was a great movie, never would have been made.
Can you think of any more?
The school is just one more PC Idiocracy. EVERYTHING has a + and a - side to it, even slavery, that is the nature of the universe, otherwise there never would have been slaves! It was a lesson in critical thinking, thinking outside the box, not justification of slavery, but now thanks to fear of PC, these kids will lose a valuable lesson in looking at something very bad and seeing that even such things have their positive aspects. The Chinese call it yin and yang, but in the Dumbed Down States of America, our poor kids are not allowed to think and learn freely, being told by their "school" that you are only allowed to believe that things like slavery, war, old age, illness and even death are all bad with nothing good or positive to ever be gleaned, taken or learned from them.
Only a white person in delusional denial thinks that there was anything positive about slavery. Especially in a nation whose credo reads “All men are created equal”, such conclusions would invite the enslavement of those privileged and in power presently. Maybe your opinion would be different if your ancestors and their progeny had been slaves.
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Hebrews were slaves thousands of years ago in Egypt, Native Americans were never slaves,
Pretty much every other advanced nation had abolished slavery decades before our Civil War.People who constantly pound on about how bad and evil white folks in America were for keeping slaves generally ignore the fact that slavery's been around throughout mankind in all parts of the world. That's just the way man rolled for centuries; it was a natural part of life and not looked at as morally wrong or anything. Not saying it was right or endorsing it. That's just the way it was and it was handed down through generations across cultures, continents, etc.The question, of itself, is not offensive. On the contrary, education should constructively challenge the developing intellect of students.
The positives of slavery did not go to the slaves, for example, but to the owners and their economic system. A student could and should have been able to see that, at least. Ultimately, the question could have led to the answer, "There were no positives for the victims of this practice".
They should also have learned about the context, that until relatively soon before the war to preserve the Union, slavery was common in the world and almost all cultures. Whites were not evil for having black slaves, just unenlightened.
Nuance seems less and less present in American social debate. Everything has to be 'good' or 'bad', and all according to the current mode and definition.
And they abolished slavery peacefully.
It's a pretty wretched indictment on the South they were one of the few places in the world that would fight to the bloody death one of the worst wars in history to preserve human bondage.
, ever slaves in America. Or anywhere else for that matter. Maybe you’re the one who needs to go to school to learn the truth of slavery. Ignorance is a deal killer in these forums.
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You do realize that the North attacked the South, right?
The south started the Civil War, bozo.You do realize that the North attacked the South, right?
You should stop making up history just to suit your arguments. Where in the new world were the Irish enslaved?
Indentured servitude wasn’t slavery if that’s what you reference.
Slavs were sold into slavery by the Germans? In whose world history did you find that gem? I know, Steve Brannon’s world history, right?
Romans and Arabs enslaved some in lands that they conquered. The city state that was Rome didn’t have the need or infrastructure to enslave more than a few of the most educated to act as teachers and servants.
Slavery on an industrial scale was a predominantly American enterprise and American companies and banks facilitated and profited from its proliferation in the Caribbean and South America.
Hundreds of thousands of Irish slaves; a truly monumental lie. How about Martians?
The south started the Civil War, bozo.You do realize that the North attacked the South, right?
You should live in such a place, it matches your minuscule intellect. Oh, yes, your Irish slaves were debunked as white supremacist propaganda in the March 17, 2017 issue of the N.Y. Times. Now we know where your world view originated.
Oh. You mean like Hebrews? Native Americans? Irish folks? Asians?Teacher asks 8th-grade students to list positives of slavery
Let's see...
1. Free labor.
2. The cotton industry was booming.
3. As the great Cliven Bundy once said, it "gave them something to do".
4. 12 Years A Slave, which was a great movie, never would have been made.
Can you think of any more?
The school is just one more PC Idiocracy. EVERYTHING has a + and a - side to it, even slavery, that is the nature of the universe, otherwise there never would have been slaves! It was a lesson in critical thinking, thinking outside the box, not justification of slavery, but now thanks to fear of PC, these kids will lose a valuable lesson in looking at something very bad and seeing that even such things have their positive aspects. The Chinese call it yin and yang, but in the Dumbed Down States of America, our poor kids are not allowed to think and learn freely, being told by their "school" that you are only allowed to believe that things like slavery, war, old age, illness and even death are all bad with nothing good or positive to ever be gleaned, taken or learned from them.
Only a white person in delusional denial thinks that there was anything positive about slavery. Especially in a nation whose credo reads “All men are created equal”, such conclusions would invite the enslavement of those privileged and in power presently. Maybe your opinion would be different if your ancestors and their progeny had been slaves.
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Hebrews were slaves thousands of years ago in Egypt, Native Americans were never slaves, nor were the Irish or Asians, ever slaves in America. Or anywhere else for that matter.
Hebrews WERE slaves, and in a way, have been held prisoner ever since. Even today, they are are walled up and under constant attack just for living. If that isn't a form of slavery, I don't know what is. Just as the Irish were considered dirt by the English for a long time. As to the native Indians, no, they were never taken from their land and forced to work as slaves, they were just killed, butchered, rounded up and taken from their land, herded into ranches on plots of the most undesirable land imaginable, then left to be forgotten. Maybe worse than slavery. The Colonialists broke every pact, every agreement with them, lied to them, cheated them, and left them with not one piece of land anyone would want to live in poverty.
You should live in such a place, it matches your minuscule intellect. Oh, yes, your Irish slaves were debunked as white supremacist propaganda in the March 17, 2017 issue of the N.Y. Times. Now we know where your world view originated.
Ah, you mad bro?
The New York Commie Times cannot change the history of Irish slavery, lol, doofus.
Cut off from their history? They're free to go back whenever they want.Oh. You mean like Hebrews? Native Americans? Irish folks? Asians?The school is just one more PC Idiocracy. EVERYTHING has a + and a - side to it, even slavery, that is the nature of the universe, otherwise there never would have been slaves! It was a lesson in critical thinking, thinking outside the box, not justification of slavery, but now thanks to fear of PC, these kids will lose a valuable lesson in looking at something very bad and seeing that even such things have their positive aspects. The Chinese call it yin and yang, but in the Dumbed Down States of America, our poor kids are not allowed to think and learn freely, being told by their "school" that you are only allowed to believe that things like slavery, war, old age, illness and even death are all bad with nothing good or positive to ever be gleaned, taken or learned from them.
Only a white person in delusional denial thinks that there was anything positive about slavery. Especially in a nation whose credo reads “All men are created equal”, such conclusions would invite the enslavement of those privileged and in power presently. Maybe your opinion would be different if your ancestors and their progeny had been slaves.
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Hebrews were slaves thousands of years ago in Egypt, Native Americans were never slaves, nor were the Irish or Asians, ever slaves in America. Or anywhere else for that matter.
Hebrews WERE slaves, and in a way, have been held prisoner ever since. Even today, they are are walled up and under constant attack just for living. If that isn't a form of slavery, I don't know what is. Just as the Irish were considered dirt by the English for a long time. As to the native Indians, no, they were never taken from their land and forced to work as slaves, they were just killed, butchered, rounded up and taken from their land, herded into ranches on plots of the most undesirable land imaginable, then left to be forgotten. Maybe worse than slavery. The Colonialists broke every pact, every agreement with them, lied to them, cheated them, and left them with not one piece of land anyone would want to live in poverty.
Jews were held in slavery by the Egyptians in Egypt where the Jews had settled to live. Sort of like the Japanese were interred here in America during the Second World War. They weren’t imported, sold, and bartered as property for profit nor was their culture systematically destroyed, their psyche and humanity stripped from them, their children separated and sold away and any and every indignity imaginable visited upon them. Their Mothers and Sisters raped and Fathers emasculated, whipped, and hung. No other humans in history have survived 400 years of such a hell on earth, cut off from their own history, amongst the enslavers bent on their destruction.
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Southern Rebels fired the first shots -- and did so months before Sumter.
The South had been banging the drums of war for years before.
Lost Cause enthusiasts are such lost causes.
Ah, you must hate facts that make you look like the stupid ass hat that you truly are, dont you?You’re just a rabid racist, and you’re stupid too boot. I hope all you Trump loving losers are equally intelligent. However I’m betting you’re even stupider.
African slaves were enslaved by Arabs and local Bantu subtribes, not white people, and if whites did not trade blankets, iron tools and beads for them, the Arabs would have just traded them elsewhere in their vast system of slavery across the African continent and the Bantu would have simply slaughtered them, maybe even eaten them, lol.Jews were held in slavery by the Egyptians in Egypt where the Jews had settled to live. Sort of like the Japanese were interred here in America during the Second World War. They weren’t imported, sold, and bartered as property for profit nor was their culture systematically destroyed, their psyche and humanity stripped from them, their children separated and sold away and any and every indignity imaginable visited upon them. Their Mothers and Sisters raped and Fathers emasculated, whipped, and hung. No other humans in history have survived 400 years of such a hell on earth, cut off from their own history, amongst the enslavers bent on their destruction.
Me thinks this one ^^^ doth protest too much. Perhaps Slim is projecting his true racist feelings. After all, nothing pissed off Democrats more than republicans taking away their slaves.The topic isn’t controversial, slavery in the United States was a fact, and racism is. The whole discussion was an indoctrination by the teacher of her students into a convoluted strategy of denial. A strategy of splitting hairs to avoid the responsibilities of racism and genocide. This same strategy of denial and avoidance is afoot here, on this board in this discussion as it was in the aforementioned classroom.
. Stop judging the past with today's standards. We as a society have moved on and you'd be hard pressed to find any Southeners who want slavery brought back. Slim the standards and morals you have today may very well be found abhorant to those living 25 years from now who look back at these times.In fact, no question is offensive; being offended is a choice. Questions are mere words (especially written questions in the context being discussed). The concept of someone 'making' another person react by using words reduces the 'reactor' to an automaton. Would you give me the power to control your emotions and reactions?The question, of itself, is not offensive. On the contrary, education should constructively challenge the developing intellect of students.
The positives of slavery did not go to the slaves, for example, but to the owners and their economic system. A student could and should have been able to see that, at least. Ultimately, the question could have led to the answer, "There were no positives for the victims of this practice".
They should also have learned about the context, that until relatively soon before the war to preserve the Union, slavery was common in the world and almost all cultures. Whites were not evil for having black slaves, just unenlightened.
Nuance seems less and less present in American social debate. Everything has to be 'good' or 'bad', and all according to the current mode and definition.
It’s not offensive to you, you should have said. But in your universe, you and your kind are all that matters, and all crimes against those outside your clan merely “uninformed”. By your logic any affront can be rationalized into its good and bad parts and that all offenses have their good points. Furthermore you assert that whites were ignorant of slavery’s evil despite its prohibition in the Bible and credo expressed in the constitution that all men were created equal. To advance such lies under the pretext of some academic rigor is consistent with those racist deniers who are still, to this day, intent on redeeming this sad period in our history by denying its past and present effects. This teachers lesson plan and the public debate that has ensued lays bare the racist infection that has spread into every nook and cranny of all our institutions.
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As for Biblical prohibition, please cite the passage.
Before calling someone a liar, it would be best to carefully evaluate what he/she truly said and not what was taken as a meaning. There is no basis for saying the quoted post rationalized any and all affronts. What is more, you equate "unenlightened" with "ignorant", then use that to accuse one of lying.
The quoted post absolutely does not defend slavery, but rather attacks it. The manner in which you take it is dominated by an inflexibility of reasoning. That is the unfortunate state of debate here so often.
What are you talking about? Slavery was attacked in the post you say, no it wasn’t attacked it was justified. There was an equivocation between good slavery and bad slavery. Slaveholders were pardoned as being “merely uninformed”, does that rate as an attack on slavery in your world? Your rebuttal is an affront to any sincere discussion of the problem. “Inflexibility of reasoning”, what facts about the American genocide called slavery are flexible? You act as if some academic discussion of the subject can change its reality. That reality reaches powerfully still into our present and shapes the minds that have to create our common future. Pretending that there was something good in that crime risks our souls as well as our country.
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Idiot who passed his finals. ^^^"Teacher asks 8th-grade students to list positives of slavery..."
Young conservatives in training.
Because there’s nothing ‘positive’ about slavery – the idea that there might be something ‘beneficial’ about slavery is as reprehensible as it is wrong.If all the teacher did was ask to list the positive and negative aspects of slavery, where is the wrong? The negative side could be endless, while one could easily judge the other side devoid of points. This could easily be viewed as testing the evaluative abilities of students to read and reason without automatic, useless emotion.
Of course slavery was always wrong on human terms, but it was also practiced in all ages by virtually all cultures. No one was prosecuted after slavery was abolished for having had slaves previously.
I don't understand how people ever thought they could 'own' another person. I don't understand why people deal with women as inferior to men. I don't know why we tolerate this in the world today. Why continue to chew the old bone of slavery when a far greater number of people are oppressed before our very eyes right now. It is at least hypocritical to be scandalized by an institution that is now illegal and gone while allowing greater wrong to continue today. Where is the force to free our sisters?