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Tampa teen wins right to abortion without parental consent

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That's a non answer. This woman has turned abortion into a protest statement. The old advertisement for the abortion rights side used to be "legal, safe and rare" and now that is out the window.

The States that want to really ban it ban it will not have the issue as much because women there tend to be pro-life as well. as for those who are not, abortion rights groups have shit-tons of funding, should be easy enough to setup transport for anyone woman that wants one to a State that does it.

I don't think this girl was turning her pregnancy into a protest statement.

She would be horrified to know we were talking about it.
 

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That is a cop out. Sorry but until they reach majority children are a parent's responsibility and that confers on them certain rights.

Don't like it? Lower the age of majority.
The age of consent is 16 in the civilised world. This girl is unlucky that she lives in the 50s.
 

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I don't think this girl was turning her pregnancy into a protest statement.

She would be horrified to know we were talking about it.

This was about the woman on TV who took an abortion pill while supposedly pregnant for her 3rd abortion.
 

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Its shocking that this girl has to justify her actions to a court. She hasnt broken any laws. The state should butt out.
Correct, government shouldn't interfere with personal, private decisions such as whether to have a child or not.

Of course, the authoritarian right seeks more government, bigger government at the expense of individual liberty.
 

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That's a non answer. This woman has turned abortion into a protest statement. The old advertisement for the abortion rights side used to be "legal, safe and rare" and now that is out the window.
If you reject socially responsibility as the way to answer to the problem then there is no answer. But yes, abortion is becoming a protest statement. And yes, legal, safe, and rare is out the window.
The States that want to really ban it ban it will not have the issue as much because women there tend to be pro-life as well. as for those who are not, abortion rights groups have shit-tons of funding, should be easy enough to setup transport for anyone woman that wants one to a State that does it.
It's always been easy for more wealthy women to run to another state but others can't and so that's the reason why abortion will be forced underground. Or to the back alley.

Will the Christians weigh their success on preventing some abortions? Not very likely at all, as they have no feelings for the sort of women who sought abortion. Unless the woman is one of their wealthy friends.

The political sides must come together to find a solution that will reduce the need of women to seek abortion. No abortion is a desirable outcome marty.
 

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Correct, government shouldn't interfere with personal, private decisions such as whether to have a child or not.

Of course, the authoritarian right seeks more government, bigger government at the expense of individual liberty.

Now do vaccines.
 

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"That is huge for these ladies that petition the court for this," said Parwani. "They do have futures, they understand that having a child may limit those futures in different ways."

When considering a judicial bypass, a judge is to consider seven factors regarding the petitioner, including "overall intelligence; emotional development and stability; credibility and demeanor as a witness; ability to accept responsibility; ability to assess both the immediate and long-range consequences of the minor’s choices; and ability to understand and explain the medical risks of terminating her pregnancy and to apply that understanding to her decision."

Judge Jared Smith denied her request, citing concerns she wasn't being forthcoming about her GPA.



So, if you're under 18 in Florida, you have to go before a judge and convince the judge that the abortion is necessary.

In this case, the first judge turned the girl down, but she won appeal.

She had to get a lawyer and everything.

This was for the abortion pill.

She told the judge that she had plans to go to college to get a nursing degree and having a baby would make that way more difficult.


What do you think? Should girls younger than 18 have to convince a judge that they need an abortion?

What other medical decisions is someone under 18 allowed to make for themselves?
 

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If you reject socially responsibility as the way to answer to the problem then there is no answer. But yes, abortion is becoming a protest statement. And yes, legal, safe, and rare is out the window.

It's always been easy for more wealthy women to run to another state but others can't and so that's the reason why abortion will be forced underground. Or to the back alley.

Will the Christians weigh their success on preventing some abortions? Not very likely at all, as they have no feelings for the sort of women who sought abortion. Unless the woman is one of their wealthy friends.

The political sides must come together to find a solution that will reduce the need of women to seek abortion. No abortion is a desirable outcome marty.

The solution tried under Roe didn't work. We are still fighting the same fight almost 50 years later. Giving it to the States is the only reasonable alternative left.

Blue States can have their abortions, Red States can have their bans, and Purple States can have their restrictions.
 

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The solution tried under Roe didn't work. We are still fighting the same fight almost 50 years later. Giving it to the States is the only reasonable alternative left.

Blue States can have their abortions, Red States can have their bans, and Purple States can have their restrictions.
Rather than that marty, you could just say that all the states can have what they choose! That's a socially acceptable answer!

Only the red coloured states may have to turn a blind eye to women who still seek abortions.

In truth that's most likely how most Canadian Christians are facing the issue, or not facing the issue.

In Canada it's less of an issue because we have less Christians, and less adamant Christians. And those we have are biting their tongues and biding their time until they can build some popular support. And the smart ones have just given up, or turned to finding a socially responsible solution.
 

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Rather than that marty, you could just say that all the states can have what they choose! That's a socially acceptable answer!

Only the red coloured states may have to turn a blind eye to women who still seek abortions.

In truth that's most likely how most Canadian Christians are facing the issue, or not facing the issue.

In Canada it's less of an issue because we have less Christians, and less adamant Christians. And those we have are biting their tongues and biding their time until they can build some popular support. And the smart ones have just given up, or turned to finding a socially responsible solution.

Plenty of popular support in some States for Abortion restrictions here, the only thing stopping them was Roe.
 

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Plenty of popular support in some States for Abortion restrictions here, the only thing stopping them was Roe.
I think you get the picture by now marty. Americans need to accept responsibility on the abortion issue. Shooting abortion doctors might not be working. Trying to force women might not either.

Get back to me when you have some real ideas. I'm quite interested but I'm not interested in marching around in circles with you.
 

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I don't think this girl was turning her pregnancy into a protest statement.

She would be horrified to know we were talking about it.

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If that's how you feel then why are you the OP of the thread?

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What do you think? Should girls younger than 18 have to convince a judge that they need an abortion?
What other medical procedures can those under 18 receive without parental consent?
 

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If you reject socially responsibility as the way to answer to the problem then there is no answer. But yes, abortion is becoming a protest statement. And yes, legal, safe, and rare is out the window.

It's always been easy for more wealthy women to run to another state but others can't and so that's the reason why abortion will be forced underground. Or to the back alley.

Will the Christians weigh their success on preventing some abortions? Not very likely at all, as they have no feelings for the sort of women who sought abortion. Unless the woman is one of their wealthy friends.

The political sides must come together to find a solution that will reduce the need of women to seek abortion. No abortion is a desirable outcome marty.

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If the girl was socially responsible she wouldn't have gotten pregnant.

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they understand that having a child may limit those futures in different ways."
Do they understand that the aborted human will also have their future entirely eliminated?
 

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If the girl was socially responsible she wouldn't have gotten pregnant.

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You've nailed it Damaged! She wasn't socially responsible. And I would suggest that any woman who gets pregnant and needs to seek an abortion, hasn't been socially responsible enough. Neither has the man who made her pregnant.

It can be said to be true about most undesirable outcomes that a person only has themselves to blame for the outcome. No less true for Babbitt than for this woman.
 

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Its shocking that this girl has to justify her actions to a court. She hasnt broken any laws. The state should butt out.
It's more shocking she didn't have the brains to keep her fucking legs shut if she didn't want to get pregnant.
 

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You've nailed it Damaged! She wasn't socially responsible. And I would suggest that any woman who gets pregnant and needs to seek an abortion, hasn't been socially responsible enough. Neither has the man who made her pregnant.

It can be said to be true about most undesirable outcomes that a person only has themselves to blame for the outcome. No less true for Babbitt than for this woman.

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So perhaps the fate of Babbitt should be this young girls too if you feel that way.

Otherwise as far as I'm concerned the officer who shot Babbitt should be tried for the murder of a unarmed female protestor and for the unauthorized use of deadly force.

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It's more shocking she didn't have the brains to keep her fucking legs shut if she didn't want to get pregnant.
Yes, her and the man who made her pregnant were being socially irresponsible and that has resulted in a life being terminated. No Christian can accept that as being socially responsible and should be actively working to correct the issue.
 

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