Zone1 Can We Agree Consent is primary?

[Mr. Friscus]

Who gives consent, if a child needs surgery? Or medication?

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You really don't know the difference?

 

[Leo123]

Your opening paragraph is utter bullshit and rendered the rest of your silly post useless.

Well done!

Stop getting hysterical.

 

[Leo123]

Exactly... thus doctors shouldn't also violate their hippocratic oath and chop off a perfectly functioning body part and mutilate another person's body.. much less a child's who cannot consent to an irreversible life-changing assault.

Why would I support something that harms humans?

This needs to be a law. Absolutely no transition surgery on any normal minor. I would be for throwing the parents and anyone else who 'consented' for this mutilation of a perfectly normal child.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Um, no, you made a comment that a 19-year-old can be jailed for having sex with a 17-year-old, and that's simply not true in most of the country. In fact, it's not true anywhere. Now, a 25 year old can be jailed for having sex with a 15 year old, absolutely



Ah, here we go, that word "immoral", coming from the people who throw little brown children into concentration camps because their parents don't have papers.

That's just a tantrum, next.

So you can't prove that it's happening in any real numbers, so you just make things up?

Not sure why you think people violating HIPAA is a good thing, but never mind.

If a crazy doctor is doing immoral, illegal things to patients.. HIPAA should absolutely be "broken" to protect the victim.

You're kidding, right? We are raising a generation of Ritalin Zombies, for no other reasons that many teachers just suck at classroom management. But you freak out when a handful of kids get hormone treatments (not all of it for Gender Affirming Care.)

Um, yeah, SSRI's are harmless. That's why the commercials have 30 seconds of an announcer speed-reading through all the harmful side effects.

I'm all for questioning the immediate prescribing of SSRI's, but they don't end body functions. Here's what does harm a child's body irreversibly
1. Hormonal treatments causing chemical castration
2. Chopping off genitals
3. Stabbing people in their crotch to create a wound
4. Chopping off their breasts

We don't let young kids get tattoos... yet you want to allow this? It's disgusting, and thankfully the trans movement is being more and more rejected in society. We'll look back on this and say "wow, things were F'd up back then"

Actually, the Scientific studies consistently show benefits to GAC.

The benefits of gender-affirming care

Together, we can make health care inclusive for trans youth

sph.washington.edu

Mental Health Outcomes in Transgender and Nonbinary Youths Receiving Gender-Affirming Care - PubMed

This study found that gender-affirming medical interventions were associated with lower odds of depression and suicidality over 12 months. These data add to existing evidence suggesting that gender-affirming care may be associated with improved well-being among TNB youths over a short period...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

https://www.jahonline.org/article/S1054-139X(24)00439-7/fulltext

Suicide is high among transgenders because they have to deal with bigots every day.

Nope, they are mentally unstable.. and that's fine, people get depression and mental disorders all the time. We just treat them, we don't convince them to double down on the disease. You want them to continue down the rabbit hole of being unstable. If you had any compassion you'd want kids who have this problem to get out of it, but you use them as virtue-signal handbag to make yourself feel better.

No one is being groomed. This is one of your mythologies.

They absolutely are. You're just mad it's being exposed.

I have plenty of compassion for these kids being mistreated by religious types who want to impose their religion on the rest of us.

There's nothing religious about my argument. Next.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

This needs to be a law. Absolutely no transition surgery on any normal minor. I would be for throwing the parents and anyone else who 'consented' for this mutilation of a perfectly normal child.

While I oppose trans ideology at its core, as it makes no sense, I'm fine if adults want to mutilate their bodies, cross dress, cosplay, and play halloween in their lives. However, I don't have to play pretend with them, and at least they can consent to any irreversible procedures they have. Like smoking, it's a very poor choice, but theirs to make. However, they need to have some thick skin and realize others aren't required to share in their delusion.

 

[Leo123]

While I oppose trans ideology at its core, as it makes no sense, I'm fine if adults want to mutilate their bodies, cross dress, cosplay, and play halloween in their lives. However, I don't have to play pretend with them, and at least they can consent to any irreversible procedures they have. Like smoking, it's a very poor choice, but theirs to make. However, they need to have some thick skin and realize others aren't required to share in their delusion.

Yeah but I meant make a law that would throw parents, doctors, psychologists, etc. in jail for providing consent to have a minor-child mutilated. I don't give a shit if some loony adult wants to mutilate themselves but I am not using their pronouns, in fact, I reserve the right to point and laugh at them.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Yeah but I meant make a law that would throw parents, doctors, psychologists, etc. in jail for providing consent to have a minor-child mutilated. I don't give a shit if some loony adult wants to mutilate themselves but I am not using their pronouns, in fact, I reserve the right to point and laugh at them.

I wouldn't point and laugh, I'll just call them by their name or in another manner. I won't call anyone "they/them", "zee/zur", and I won't call a man who dresses like a woman "ma'am", "she" or "her".

 

[Leo123]

I wouldn't point and laugh, I'll just call them by their name or in another manner. I won't call anyone "they/them", "zee/zur", and I won't call a man who dresses like a woman "ma'am", "she" or "her".

Well, I suppose if they're good at apeing but most are not. A dude with a beard with falsies and wig is clownish and deserves to be laughed at.

 

[Crepitus]

Stop getting hysterical.

Another word you obviously don't understand.

 

[Leo123]

Another word you obviously don't understand.

Yes I do, it is akin to what used to be called a ‘nervous breakdown’ brought on by unfounded hysteria. It’s usually a female attempt to get attention.

 

[JoeB131]

Exactly... thus doctors shouldn't also violate their hippocratic oath and chop off a perfectly functioning body part and mutilate another person's body.. much less a child's who cannot consent to an irreversible life-changing assault.

Except- again- a vast amount of research showing the benefits of GAC. I know you like to ignore them, but they are out there.

Why would I support something that harms humans?

Because it doesn't. The only thing it harms is your sexual insecurities.

 

[JoeB131]

That's just a tantrum, next.

Nazi Concentration camps are a tantrum?

If a crazy doctor is doing immoral, illegal things to patients.. HIPAA should absolutely be "broken" to protect the victim.

Except no one has proven these doctors are "crazy". Crazy would be picking them up in a van and operating on them. Rather, it takes years to be approved for GAC care, if you can even get your insurance to cover it.

We don't let young kids get tattoos... yet you want to allow this? It's disgusting, and thankfully the trans movement is being more and more rejected in society. We'll look back on this and say "wow, things were F'd up back then"

Actually, we'll look back at the Transphobes, and look at them the way we look at homophobes, misogynists, and segregationists now.

Nope, they are mentally unstable.. and that's fine, people get depression and mental disorders all the time. We just treat them, we don't convince them to double down on the disease. You want them to continue down the rabbit hole of being unstable. If you had any compassion you'd want kids who have this problem to get out of it, but you use them as virtue-signal handbag to make yourself feel better.

So how do we get them out of it? Send them to a deconversion camp and scream JESUS at them?

Oh, wait, we know that doesn't work.

Conversion practices linked to depression, PTSD and suicide thoughts in LGBTQIA+ adults

Programs designed to change a person's sexual orientation or gender identity are linked to depression, PTSD and suicidality in a Stanford Medicine-led study of more than 4,000 participants.

med.stanford.edu

There's nothing religious about my argument. Next.

You are the one who talks about "Morality". Next.

While I oppose trans ideology at its core, as it makes no sense, I'm fine if adults want to mutilate their bodies, cross dress, cosplay, and play halloween in their lives. However, I don't have to play pretend with them, and at least they can consent to any irreversible procedures they have. Like smoking, it's a very poor choice, but theirs to make. However, they need to have some thick skin and realize others aren't required to share in their delusion.

And now we get to the crux of it. You don't give a flying flip about these people, you just don't like that you have to accept them.
You live in mortal fear that next week, HR will tell you that Bob has to be addressed as "Sally" from now on. Oh, and use feminine pronouns when talking about her.

Just like people like you got upset when THIS came to an end.

 

[Unkotare]

... many teachers just suck at classroom management. ...

How about you, big mouth?

 

[Unkotare]

Nazi Concentration camps are a tantrum?


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Concentration camps are you democrat's thing. Always have been.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Nazi Concentration camps are a tantrum?



Except no one has proven these doctors are "crazy". Crazy would be picking them up in a van and operating on them. Rather, it takes years to be approved for GAC care, if you can even get your insurance to cover it.



Actually, we'll look back at the Transphobes, and look at them the way we look at homophobes, misogynists, and segregationists now.



So how do we get them out of it? Send them to a deconversion camp and scream JESUS at them?

Oh, wait, we know that doesn't work.

Conversion practices linked to depression, PTSD and suicide thoughts in LGBTQIA+ adults

Programs designed to change a person's sexual orientation or gender identity are linked to depression, PTSD and suicidality in a Stanford Medicine-led study of more than 4,000 participants.

med.stanford.edu

You are the one who talks about "Morality". Next.



And now we get to the crux of it. You don't give a flying flip about these people, you just don't like that you have to accept them.
You live in mortal fear that next week, HR will tell you that Bob has to be addressed as "Sally" from now on. Oh, and use feminine pronouns when talking about her.

Just like people like you got upset when THIS came to an end.

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The comparison of the struggle for black equality to equality based on sexual paraphilia is repugnant.

 

[JoeB131]

The comparison of the struggle for black equality to equality based on sexual paraphilia is repugnant.

Only to you.

But this has more to do with your sexual insecurities.

The fact you are fine with rounding up thousands of people of color tells me you aren't cool with any equality.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Only to you.

But this has more to do with your sexual insecurities.

The fact you are fine with rounding up thousands of people of color tells me you aren't cool with any equality.

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You don't know my sexual insecurities.

Rounding up thousands of illegal immigrants, no matter their "color" I'm fine with.

 

[JoeB131]

You don't know my sexual insecurities.

Rounding up thousands of illegal immigrants, no matter their "color" I'm fine with.

I think your sexual insecurities speak very loudly.

No one is making you transition.
No one is making you date a tranny

They simply aren't doing anything to you, but you get upset about them anyway.

Yet they are only rounding up the people of color.

I know we have a shitload of undocumented Polish immigrants here in Chicago, but oddly, ICE isn't looking for them.

 

[Hafar1014]

I think your sexual insecurities speak very loudly.

No one is making you transition.
No one is making you date a tranny

They simply aren't doing anything to you, but you get upset about them anyway.

Yet they are only rounding up the people of color.

I know we have a shitload of undocumented Polish immigrants here in Chicago, but oddly, ICE isn't looking for them.

7 trans mass shooters killed children at Christian private schools. GIrls molested in bathrooms. Beaten in sports They are most violent culture in America.
You dont make mental illness normal. Thats toxic empathy

 

[OODA_Loop]

I think your sexual insecurities speak very loudly.

No one is making you transition.
No one is making you date a tranny

They simply aren't doing anything to you, but you get upset about them anyway.

Yet they are only rounding up the people of color.

I know we have a shitload of undocumented Polish immigrants here in Chicago, but oddly, ICE isn't looking for them.

Trans can do what they want.

Their “struggle” is not analogous to the civil rights of minorities. Trans is not a protected class. It is a life style choice based on sexual proclivities.