Support Israel? Yes or no?

[Swagger]

Do you believe it is important to support Israel with our prayers, our time, our resources? Are you in favor of standing by those who are allies to America and blessing them as they have blessed us? Weeping with a nation who is under attack and remembering that they wept with us on 9/11? I support Israel and believe she should be supported by the American people. How about you? Do you believe in supporting Israel or no?

Of course I support Israel. Opponents of them (including one in my own family) are deranged by propaganda that calls Israel an occupier. Nonsense! Before Hamas started firing rockets at Israel, there wasn't a single Israeli in Gaza, and who ever said this land belonged to the Palestinans, or any Muslim group ?

Muslims have been in existence for 1400 years. Jews lived on this land for centuries B.C. Not only is Israel (all of it) properly Jewish land, so is almost the whole Middle East, which only is Muslim because of the uncivilized, barbaric savages calling themselves Muslims, who rampaged across the continent, slaughtering people, like ISIS is doing now.

Palestine was British territory before Irgun scum started biting the hand that saved and fed them. Imperial forces marched on the Nazis, freed the Jews and saved them from leaky ships they took to what is now called Israel. How were we thanked? Kidnappings, terrorism and, ultimately, the King David Hotel bombing. We didn't hang enough of the ungrateful bastards.

 

[Coyote]

It's humerous watching people trying to define a thief as "generous" because he chose to give back some of what he stole.

It hilarious how you think I should give back something that I gained fair and square. Tell me, genius, if someone pounces at me with a knife, I snatch the knife away while defending myself, the other one cries, "Hey, my momma inherited that knife, give if back." and of course I do...because it's fair. I mean, it is. who cares if I'm gonna be stabbed with it.

That's just how things work in a world of stupid.

Tell me genius, why is it the civilized world doesn't go along with that spoiled child logic? Where in international law does it say to the victor go the spoils? These are agreements Israel is party to as well. It did not belong to Israel - there was no generosity in giving it back. Look up the definition "Occupied Territory".

 

[Lipush]

Why doesn't the civilized world follow that logic? because the civilized world is not the Middle East. In here, the more "humanity" and "charity" you show, the more they see it as weakness and attack you. Welcome to our neighborhood.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Gaza is a victim of Hamas though. NOT ISRAEL. How could their plight be blamed on Israel? They would not even be living in Gaza if Israel had not evicted her own people and given them that land, Tinmore! Do you realize that?!

More Israeli bullshit.

The problems with Gaza precedes Hamas by decades.

Like what ?

 

[Lipush]

It did before Sharon gave it away.

No, it was legally "Occupied Territory". It wasn't Sharon's to give away.

It was the moment they were stupid enough to give it away by starting a war impossible for them to win.

Nah, nothing was given away...even stupidity doesn't equal that

Why should I give away something I gained in a fair battle, battled that I was never after, that was forced on me?

That's a deep question.

Indeed. It's a question covered by international law so we don't have to think too deeply

International law is irrelevant in the Israeli Palestinian conflict. Actually, it's relevant when you can tell only Israel to follow it, but the fact that Palestinians run over babies and stab the elderly and launch rocket at the pregnant doesn't have to be treated by international law.

 

[ogibillm]

Why doesn't the civilized world follow that logic? because the civilized world is not the Middle East. In here, the more "humanity" and "charity" you show, the more they see it as weakness and attack you. Welcome to our neighborhood.

So the rules are different if israel is involved. Seems to be a common answer for israel apologists

 

[Coyote]

Why doesn't the civilized world follow that logic? because the civilized world is not the Middle East. In here, the more "humanity" and "charity" you show, the more they see it as weakness and attack you. Welcome to our neighborhood.

Pfft. That's a convenient excuse for Israel to hold and expand on land it never had any intention of giving back from the beginning. Be honest and call it what it is - theft. Don't pretend there is anything more noble than that.

 

[Lipush]

Why doesn't the civilized world follow that logic? because the civilized world is not the Middle East. In here, the more "humanity" and "charity" you show, the more they see it as weakness and attack you. Welcome to our neighborhood.

So the rules are different if israel is involved. Seems to be a common answer for israel apologists

The rules are different when Israel is involved because the world made it that way. Israel is allowed to only be attacked but never properly defend itself. It's not Israel who came up with this equation.

 

[Coyote]

No, it was legally "Occupied Territory". It wasn't Sharon's to give away.

It was the moment they were stupid enough to give it away by starting a war impossible for them to win.

Nah, nothing was given away...even stupidity doesn't equal that

Why should I give away something I gained in a fair battle, battled that I was never after, that was forced on me?

That's a deep question.

Indeed. It's a question covered by international law so we don't have to think too deeply

International law is irrelevant in the Israeli Palestinian conflict. Actually, it's relevant when you can tell only Israel to follow it, but the fact that Palestinians run over babies and stab the elderly and launch rocket at the pregnant doesn't have to be treated by international law.

Oh bull. Israel benefits from International Law and there entire state derived from it. They use it when it suits them and cry victim when it doesn't. Stop pretending the Occupied Territories are anything BUT Occupied Territories and be honest for a change.

 

[Lipush]

Why doesn't the civilized world follow that logic? because the civilized world is not the Middle East. In here, the more "humanity" and "charity" you show, the more they see it as weakness and attack you. Welcome to our neighborhood.

Pfft. That's a convenient excuse for Israel to hold and expand on land it never had any intention of giving back from the beginning. Be honest and call it what it is - theft. Don't pretend there is anything more noble than that.

In order for it to be theft, there needs to be an actual entity from which this was stolen. Look at the west bank, for instant. To who it beloged? Palestine? rubbish, of course, as there was never an actual state called Palestine. Jordan? nah ah, as Jordan itself occupied it illegaly, starting from 48. So if I didn't take it from any actual owner, since there was no owner of this, how can you call me a thief?

 

[Lipush]

It was the moment they were stupid enough to give it away by starting a war impossible for them to win.

Nah, nothing was given away...even stupidity doesn't equal that

Why should I give away something I gained in a fair battle, battled that I was never after, that was forced on me?

That's a deep question.

Indeed. It's a question covered by international law so we don't have to think too deeply

International law is irrelevant in the Israeli Palestinian conflict. Actually, it's relevant when you can tell only Israel to follow it, but the fact that Palestinians run over babies and stab the elderly and launch rocket at the pregnant doesn't have to be treated by international law.

Oh bull. Israel benefits from International Law and there entire state derived from it. They use it when it suits them and cry victim when it doesn't. Stop pretending the Occupied Territories are anything BUT Occupied Territories and be honest for a change.

Take a look and respond

 

[protectionist]

Palestine was British territory before Irgun scum started biting the hand that saved and fed them. Imperial forces marched on the Nazis, freed the Jews and saved them from leaky ships they took to what is now called Israel. How were we thanked? Kidnappings, terrorism and, ultimately, the King David Hotel bombing. We didn't hang enough of the ungrateful bastards.

There is one solution to the problem of Hamas (and the Palestinans who elected them) >>

100% EXTERMINATION.

 

[Coyote]

nnn

Why doesn't the civilized world follow that logic? because the civilized world is not the Middle East. In here, the more "humanity" and "charity" you show, the more they see it as weakness and attack you. Welcome to our neighborhood.

So the rules are different if israel is involved. Seems to be a common answer for israel apologists

The rules are different when Israel is involved because the world made it that way. Israel is allowed to only be attacked but never properly defend itself. It's not Israel who came up with this equation.

Oh please. It's always Israel the poor victim of the rest of the world. They have their share of responsibility for the problems in that region too, it's not just the Palestinians.

 

[ogibillm]

Why doesn't the civilized world follow that logic? because the civilized world is not the Middle East. In here, the more "humanity" and "charity" you show, the more they see it as weakness and attack you. Welcome to our neighborhood.

So the rules are different if israel is involved. Seems to be a common answer for israel apologists

The rules are different when Israel is involved because the world made it that way. Israel is allowed to only be attacked but never properly defend itself. It's not Israel who came up with this equation.

Israel isn't allowed to 'properly defend itself?'

Israel keeps a people imprisoned. They control their economy, their access to resources, their movement. Israel throws a fit when they fight back and kill dozens of civilians for every israeli death. Hundreds are detained without cause, livelihoods and homes destroyed. Now they've given the go ahead to shoot rock throwers.

And what happens to israel when they do that? Nothing. Not a damn thing. In fact, the united states rewards their fighting with more money and weapons.

So how is it you think israel isn't allowed to defend itself?

 

[protectionist]

Oh please. It's always Israel the poor victim of the rest of the world. They have their share of responsibility for the problems in that region too, it's not just the Palestinians.

Have you been hired by Obama ?

 

[Coyote]

Nah, nothing was given away...even stupidity doesn't equal that

Why should I give away something I gained in a fair battle, battled that I was never after, that was forced on me?

That's a deep question.

Indeed. It's a question covered by international law so we don't have to think too deeply

International law is irrelevant in the Israeli Palestinian conflict. Actually, it's relevant when you can tell only Israel to follow it, but the fact that Palestinians run over babies and stab the elderly and launch rocket at the pregnant doesn't have to be treated by international law.

Oh bull. Israel benefits from International Law and there entire state derived from it. They use it when it suits them and cry victim when it doesn't. Stop pretending the Occupied Territories are anything BUT Occupied Territories and be honest for a change.

Take a look and respond

That is total propoganda and Ayalon's opinion is not what the Israeli courts have said.

Danny Ayalon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In a video titled “The Truth About the West Bank” released by the Israeli foreign ministry in June 2011, Ayalon presents a historical narrative meant to help wage the public diplomacy battle about Israel’s ongoing conflict with the Palestinians. In the video made in cooperation with StandWithUs, which is very similar to one released earlier by the Yesha council, the organization of the Jewish settlements in the West Bank, Ayalon asks viewers to stop referring to the West Bank as “occupied territories”. “It is time for Israel to return to a ‘rights-based diplomacy’ and talk about the facts, rights, history and international law which are little known but give a dramatically different viewpoint to what is currently accepted,” he said after the video’s release.[41] After the video was posted online, Saeb Erekat, the Palestinian Authority’s top negotiator, denounced the video as a “falsified account of history and international law”, but refused to participate in a public debate on the issues raised in the video proposed by Ayalon.[42]

 

[Lipush]

It may be propaganda, but it's doesn't mean it aint true. I believe the best propaganda is actual truth. You responded to the narrator instead of the content. Care to re-think that>

 

[protectionist]

Israel keeps a people imprisoned. They control their economy, their access to resources, their movement. Israel throws a fit when they fight back and kill dozens of civilians for every israeli death. Hundreds are detained without cause, livelihoods and homes destroyed. Now they've given the go ahead to shoot rock throwers.

And what happens to israel when they do that? Nothing. Not a damn thing. In fact, the united states rewards their fighting with more money and weapons.

So how is it you think israel isn't allowed to defend itself?

Why shouldn't they shoot rock throwers ? If somebody was throwing rocks at me you know what I'd do ? I'd SHOOT THEM. Keep shooting, our Israeli friends. Take out as many of those raghead rock throwers as you can.. When they're all dead, there can be peace again.

 

[Hossfly]

U.S. not supporting Israel? === un·im·ag·i·na·ble
/ˌənəˈmaj(ə)nəb(ə)l/
adjective

1. difficult or impossible to imagine or comprehend.
   synonyms: unthinkable, inconceivable, indescribable, incredible; More

 

[Coyote]

Here's a creative propoganda response to Ayalon's video: