Support Israel? Yes or no?

[P F Tinmore]

Here is the problem. You do not know what that means. Israeli propaganda has misinterpreted that for you.

The problem is the authors made it very clear what it meant and it is you islamonazi stooges that are trying to misinterpret the Mandate of Palestine. So much so that you confuse the Mandate of Palestine with the British Mandate.

The highlighted part sums it up perfectly what the LoN had in mind and why they placed it in a treaty that became INTERNATIONAL LAW

Look at the documents of the time and what they don't say. Look at the Balfour Declaration, San Remo, the Treaty of Lausanne, the LoN Covenant, and the Mandate Charter. Neither Israel nor a Jewish state were mentioned. There was no mention of exclusive rights or exclusive sovereignty for the Jews. There were no transfers of land or exclusive use of land mentioned. In fact all of these point away from a Jewish state.

try again only this time engage your brain. As soon as NATIONal home for the Jews is mentioned that implies a state or nation for the Jews, that is what the NATION in NATIONAL means. What is not mentioned until 1923 is a national home for the arab muslms.

Oh but it was. The interpretation of the Jewish National Home was to be Palestinian citizenship in Palestine with the other Palestinians.

And the other palestinians turned it down so the LoN went ahead with just the Jews. As it happens in 1948 the Jews declared independence and ended up with arab muslims, Christians and atheists as well as Jews as citizens of Israel. So that was actually fulfilled.


try reading the LoN mandate and the annual reports in full and you will see that the arab muslims turned against themselves and shot themselves in the foot

Now you are just making excuses.

 

[Phoenall]

The problem is the authors made it very clear what it meant and it is you islamonazi stooges that are trying to misinterpret the Mandate of Palestine. So much so that you confuse the Mandate of Palestine with the British Mandate.

The highlighted part sums it up perfectly what the LoN had in mind and why they placed it in a treaty that became INTERNATIONAL LAW

Look at the documents of the time and what they don't say. Look at the Balfour Declaration, San Remo, the Treaty of Lausanne, the LoN Covenant, and the Mandate Charter. Neither Israel nor a Jewish state were mentioned. There was no mention of exclusive rights or exclusive sovereignty for the Jews. There were no transfers of land or exclusive use of land mentioned. In fact all of these point away from a Jewish state.

try again only this time engage your brain. As soon as NATIONal home for the Jews is mentioned that implies a state or nation for the Jews, that is what the NATION in NATIONAL means. What is not mentioned until 1923 is a national home for the arab muslms.

Oh but it was. The interpretation of the Jewish National Home was to be Palestinian citizenship in Palestine with the other Palestinians.

And the other palestinians turned it down so the LoN went ahead with just the Jews. As it happens in 1948 the Jews declared independence and ended up with arab muslims, Christians and atheists as well as Jews as citizens of Israel. So that was actually fulfilled.


try reading the LoN mandate and the annual reports in full and you will see that the arab muslims turned against themselves and shot themselves in the foot

Now you are just making excuses.

No you are because you are being shown that your POV is wrong

 

[eagle1462010]

They shoot rockets, commit terror attacks, and they get what they deserve..................

There have been 696 attacks by the IDF since the ceasefire, only 29 was in response to rockets.

So **** you! The rockets are in response to Israeli aggression.

 

[Billo_Really]

Well, the eagle certainly hasn't landed in this debate.

The first rocket went up in 2001.

The occupation started in 1967.​

Do the math!

 

[Phoenall]

Well, the eagle certainly hasn't landed in this debate.

The first rocket went up in 2001.

The occupation started in 1967.​

Do the math!

So when will you provide the evidence of these alleged 696 attacks by Israel. That is what is being called BULLSHIT by everyone on this board.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I'd rather have my boot on their neck than their knife in mine.

Take your boot off their neck and they won't want to knife you.

PROOF as the evidence over the last 20 years shows that you don't know what you are talking about.

Go to 7:10 to confirm what Billo said.

 

[Phoenall]

I'd rather have my boot on their neck than their knife in mine.

Take your boot off their neck and they won't want to knife you.

PROOF as the evidence over the last 20 years shows that you don't know what you are talking about.

Go to 7:10 to confirm what Billo said.

No mention at all of ending the occupation would end the violence coming from a Palestinian leader.

 

[Grau]

That same statement has been used throughout the history of mankind dumbass.............

Are you retarded?

Listen dipshit, its been illegal since the end of WWII, you fuckin' dumbass!

Embrace the horror, you fuckin' *****!

They attacked and lost............too damned bad.............If they ever win every Israeli will be killed down to the children.............The Muslim extremist in the region have proved this throughout history. Ask the Armenians should you be nice to the Turks..................what's left of them.

Palestinian's didn't attack; you attacked Egypt.

Ask the Christians who are being slaughtered by ISIS and other groups preaching Convert or die........

Are you referring to the ISIS group led by an IDF colonel?

Gaza, and the West Bank have been lobbing rockets and missiles into Israel for a long time..........So Israel hit's them back.............It's just that Israel has the better weapons and kills what it aims at.

And the occupation had been going on 34 years before the first rocket went up.

They have no reason to apologize for fighting back.............and as long as they keep attacking Israel they can continue to complain about getting their ass handed to them.

They're not attacking Israel; they're responding to Israeli aggression.

End terrorism, stop lobbing rockets and missiles and stop dying.............

End the occupation and you won't get rockets.

Self Preservation needs no explanation............If they fire on you Israel KICK THEIR ASSES.

If Israel fires on Russia, it will get its Zionist ass kicked.

 

[Billo_Really]

No mention at all of ending the occupation would end the violence coming from a Palestinian leader.

That's because your 15 year old, troll mouth brain, is incapable on understanding complex thought.

At approximately 9:00 minutes in to the video, the woman was telling a story about how she takes a tour group to Palestine every year. That year, she was in Nablus, a very anti-occupation, militant, Palestinian community. And she spoke to the Palestinian leader there and he was condemning the occupation, saying how bad it was and how bad the Israeli's are and during his rant, she asked him, "What about those Jews?", as she pointed to some homes just across the street. All of a sudden, his anger went away and he replied very calmly, "Those people are our neighbors. They live in our community. They're not trying to take our land."

 

[Billo_Really]

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Um................do you have something to say?

 

[Phoenall]

No mention at all of ending the occupation would end the violence coming from a Palestinian leader.

That's because your 15 year old, troll mouth brain, is incapable on understanding complex thought.

At approximately 9:00 minutes in to the video, the woman was telling a story about how she takes a tour group to Palestine every year. That year, she was in Nablus, a very anti-occupation, militant, Palestinian community. And she spoke to the Palestinian leader there and he was condemning the occupation, saying how bad it was and how bad the Israeli's are and during his rant, she asked him, "What about those Jews?", as she pointed to some homes just across the street. All of a sudden, his anger went away and he replied very calmly, "Those people are our neighbors. They live in our community. They're not trying to take our land."

So no mention of "nd the occupation and the violence will end then" want to try again using the hamas, fatah and PLO charters. Or you could use the letter sent to the UN that clearly states that there will never be peace until the Jews are wiped out and Israel is returned to the Islamic waqf.

Not once have you shown that hamas, fatah and the PLO would end the violence if the occupation was lifted, because you know they will not do so and have told the world they will not do so.

 

[Jacketofroses]

.......... SUPPORT ISRAEL - yes - yes - yes. IN WORD and DEED.

Hey There. Something You may never have heard.

You may know about Theodor Herzl . He was one of the Early 19 Th. Century Jewish Fathers of the idea of Jews returning back to Israel.

On January 26, 1904, Theodor Herzl - The had an audience with Pope Pius X in the Vatican to seek Catholic support to establish a Jewish state in Palestine. * A Secure place for all Scattered Jews Worldwide to RETURN back HOME and live.

The Pope Demanded and Commanded that Theodor Herzl was to Bow down and Kiss his hand. Theodor Herzl REFUSED to Kiss the popes hand . The Pope Commands and DEMANDS that everyone who visits him MUST kneel down and at least kisses his hand or feet. The Pope asks strangers to approach Him and caress a part of His body with their Lips or they may Kiss His Royal Holy Ring.​

Theodor Herzl Went on to ask for the Pope to support Jews living in Israel.

The Pope Stated - [ We cannot give approval to this movement. We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem but we could never sanction it. The Pope also Stated The Jews have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jewish people]." Jerusalem The Pope Concluded - must not get into the hands of the Jews. ...................to support the Jews in the acquisition of the Holy Places, ---- that we cannot do."​

The Pope also Stated - Jews Deny - the divinity of Jesus and we cannot help them. Or else they will go there without any religion, and then we can be even less favorable to them. .................................................. ...........​

Even today the Catholics around the world are eager and happy to support the Palestine Terrorist Muslims and Arabs who have been attacking and murdering the Jews. The Catholic Countries DEMAND that the Americans and Jews stop their Protective Surveillance and Military operations at the borders. And the Roman Catholic, Italian Government - Even sent Saddam Hussein - a scientist and materials for manufacturing a NUCLEAR BOMB *( Back in the 1980s )​

The Jews had to Bomb the Nuclear facility , ending up accidentally unexpectedly killing the Italian, Catholic Scientist - who was on the grounds of the facility. The Jews begged and pleaded and Cried out to Catholic Italy, BEGGING them to stop. PLEASE, PLEASE Stop sending Saddam Hussein materials and technology and scientists to build this NUCLEAR BOMB ! - BUT Catholic Italy Ignored their pleas and cries and begs. Today - Catholics are working as hard as they can, day and night to POLITICALLY destroy the Idea of a Jewish Homeland and the Idea of Israel. Catholics even have adopted the god of Islam *( Allah ) as their own god. jUST to use Islam to fight this ideology war against Israel. While the pope KISSES His QURAN and Declares that the Quran is Equal to the Old Testament. I am so Saddened by this.

Every time that the Jews defend themselves, the Catholic world condemns Israel and pretends and demands that the Muslim terrorists can be fought with peace alone. But the Catholic Church fought many Crusades against the Islamic world. But Condemns Jews today - for defending their OWN Homeland.​

But the Catholic Church does not RECOGNISE Israel, HEBREW RACE in relation to Old testament Prophecy or the Jews as Gods Chosen People in modern times in relation to Prophecy,
THEY don't like it.​

We also Can REMEMBER that - Pope Pius XII. on June 22 - 1943

The Pope stated that there is no Axiom / RULE / REASON - In history to substantiate the necessity of a people returning to a country they left nineteen centuries before.

If a Hebrew Home is desired, it would not be too difficult to find a more fitting territory than Palestine. With an increase in the Jewish population there, grave new, international problems would arise. Catholics the world over would be aroused.
.................................................. ...........​

What does this mean ? - The pope Thinks that because the Roman Catholic World has not RECOGNISED the Jews in Israel for the Last 2000 years. - That they simply were NOT really living there, because His Catholic Fathers before Him denied their eXistance as a Nation. Denied their Heritage and eXistance as Gods People
and natural original Citizenship / Natives of Israel !​

I am very saddened by this Attitude - that is at the heart of the Catholic Church, .....The Jews / ZIONists ......went down to Egypt by a great famine / DRY spell, that lasted for years. They came FROM Israel..... Joseph was the SON of JACOB.../{..ABRAHAM. } & Abraham was WERE the land of Israel STILL sits today.. They came FROM Israel

Moses was BRINGING the JEWS back to ISRAEL WHERE GOD has already told Abraham that all this would happen. 400 years before.

Gen 15:13 God said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years. Gen 15:16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full. .... NOTICE .......they shall come HERE again: to THE same PLACE the SAME eXact Location WHERE GOD sent Abraham. ;

I have created a Website about the Jews and the situation in Israel.
Please ... LEARN MORE - Visit my website Today.

You MUST See my website Now. Visit My Website Now.. Home Page

May The God Of Abraham - bless You and give You Strength.​

 

[montelatici]

We believe in the New Covenenant

1 Thessalonians 2:15

"Those Jewish persecutors killed both the Lord Jesus and the Prophets, and drove us out of their midst. They are displeasing to God, and are the enemies of all mankind;"

 

[Jacketofroses]

Hey there montelatici
It is true that it was Jews - who had a small part in Killing Jesus.
REMEMBER.
That neither the Scripture nor History - depicts the Jews as a Whole, Killing Jesus or any Prophets. if You know Your Bible, You may Know that it was a small handful or crowd of Jews. * ( Mainly the top Jewish Officials - who were in alignment and Cohorts with Rome.) ​

Many, Many Jews have accepted Jesus Christ throughout History and REMEMBER - that The original Authors of the New Testament were Jews as well. MOST - The majority jEWS had NOTHING to do with Jesus Death.​

Hos 8:1 Set the trumpet to thy mouth. He shall come as an eagle against the house of the LORD, because they have transgressed my covenant, and trespassed against my law.
​

Sir - ! Your NEW COVENANT - has nothing with preventing the FACT - that God has Promised, Propheced.... That He would Scatter the Jews around the world if they Broke the Old Covenant

And God Promised to return them again BACK to Israel and when the Nations gather around the Jews, God will defend them and crush their Enemies. All have sinned and come short of the Glory of God. Jew and Gentiles have BOTH BROKEN Gods Covenant and BOTH Jews and Gentiles BOTH have Murderers and Horrible People that have done Horrible things.

What You say is Truth though. Thank You. kindly. Please don't forget the rest of the FACTS.

 

[Phoenall]

We believe in the New Covenenant

1 Thessalonians 2:15

"Those Jewish persecutors killed both the Lord Jesus and the Prophets, and drove us out of their midst. They are displeasing to God, and are the enemies of all mankind;"

Which is man made and did not come from any God, thus making it as valid as the arab muslim claims on the same matter. Do you accept mo'mads claims that God spoke to him and told him the muslims were the new chosen people and they had a new covenant.

 

[Jacketofroses]

Hey there my friend Phoenall

If You Choose to NOT Believe the Bible Scriptures Prophecy - that Is Your Decision. I am really thankful for Your Honesty.

Your Honesty - is a wonderful thing to me.

Catholics and Muslims however do not think Like You. They are filled with Lies. - While - The Bible and the Quran Contradict one another and declare that the Others message is a LIE. and Evil.

The Quran Contradicts itself and World History and also The Bible. The Bible However does not Contradict itself - nor World history and The Bible says that the Message in the Quran is a Lie.

The God of the Bible and His Message says that the god of Islam is a Liar and that His Message is Evil and incorrect. and False. But Roman Catholics and Muslims still Choose to pretend that they are the Same god.

I will Choose to believe the Bible While You choose to not believe The Bible.

Catholics and Muslims who have no Scriptures for their faith.

They really Love to deceive people into thinking that the god of Islam is the same as the God of the Bible. And that Mohammud was descendant of Ishmael.

I bet You have Many Faiths and Claims that are not founded in Reality. But I am sure that once I show You the FACTS - You will be Honest. I admire Your Honesty. Thank You sir.

At least I know that You can not find anything in the Scriptures that is Proven to be Incorrect or False. Thanks again.

 

[Phoenall]

Hey there my friend Phoenall

If You Choose to NOT Believe the Bible Scriptures Prophecy - that Is Your Decision. I am really thankful for Your Honesty.

Your Honesty - is a wonderful thing to me.

Catholics and Muslims however do not think Like You. They are filled with Lies. - While - The Bible and the Quran Contradict one another and declare that the Others message is a LIE. and Evil.

The Quran Contradicts itself and World History and also The Bible. The Bible However does not Contradict itself - nor World history and The Bible says that the Message in the Quran is a Lie.

The God of the Bible and His Message says that the god of Islam is a Liar and that His Message is Evil and incorrect. and False. But Roman Catholics and Muslims still Choose to pretend that they are the Same god.

I will Choose to believe the Bible While You choose to not believe The Bible.

Catholics and Muslims who have no Scriptures for their faith.

They really Love to deceive people into thinking that the god of Islam is the same as the God of the Bible. And that Mohammud was descendant of Ishmael.

I bet You have Many Faiths and Claims that are not founded in Reality. But I am sure that once I show You the FACTS - You will be Honest. I admire Your Honesty. Thank You sir.

At least I know that You can not find anything in the Scriptures that is Proven to be Incorrect or False. Thanks again.

The bible was written by man on the orders of the Roman Emperor's some time in the 4C. It is based on the Jewish Torah and the tales of one Jewish rabbi called Jesus that were altered and shaped to suit the alley cat morals of the dying Roman Empire. Far too much of the Bible is open to false interpretation deliberately so that future rulers could manipulate the masses through religion. Just look at how heathen natives crucified priests who claimed to be holy and speaking the words of god.Anyone with an open mind and some intelligence will see through the Bible for what it is, and discount much of its words.

 

[Jacketofroses]

Hello Again Phoenall

Why not Read and translate the Scriptures - it for what it Says.

I see a lot of Claims - But please eXplain / Provide some evidence of what in the Bible is OPEN to false interpretation.

I have no Idea what You are referring to. Are You making - Just Open, Random Claims that never are substantiated by a single shred of Evidence ? Perhaps Your Translation is confusing You.

 

[Phoenall]

Hello Again Phoenall

Why not Read and translate the Scriptures - it for what it Says.

I see a lot of Claims - But please eXplain / Provide some evidence of what in the Bible is OPEN to false interpretation.

I have no Idea what You are referring to. Are You making - Just Open, Random Claims that never are substantiated by a single shred of Evidence ? Perhaps Your Translation is confusing You.

All of it after the O.T. as there is no corroborative evidence of any of the being true. They were just copied by Greek scribes some time around the 4C or 5C on the instructions of the Roman Emperor. The original manuscripts have been lost or destroyed and the only part of the Bible unsullied is the O.T

Don't get me wrong as I am a Christian, but one that is enlightened and educated enough to realise the N.T. has been tainted by successive Catholic factions and groups. Even the first Pope who was allegedly one of the disciples did not become Pope until 400 years after the death of Jesus, is that not an obvious misunderstanding of reality ?

 

[Penelope]

Hey there my friend Phoenall

If You Choose to NOT Believe the Bible Scriptures Prophecy - that Is Your Decision. I am really thankful for Your Honesty.

Your Honesty - is a wonderful thing to me.

Catholics and Muslims however do not think Like You. They are filled with Lies. - While - The Bible and the Quran Contradict one another and declare that the Others message is a LIE. and Evil.

The Quran Contradicts itself and World History and also The Bible. The Bible However does not Contradict itself - nor World history and The Bible says that the Message in the Quran is a Lie.

The God of the Bible and His Message says that the god of Islam is a Liar and that His Message is Evil and incorrect. and False. But Roman Catholics and Muslims still Choose to pretend that they are the Same god.

I will Choose to believe the Bible While You choose to not believe The Bible.

Catholics and Muslims who have no Scriptures for their faith.

They really Love to deceive people into thinking that the god of Islam is the same as the God of the Bible. And that Mohammud was descendant of Ishmael.

I bet You have Many Faiths and Claims that are not founded in Reality. But I am sure that once I show You the FACTS - You will be Honest. I admire Your Honesty. Thank You sir.

At least I know that You can not find anything in the Scriptures that is Proven to be Incorrect or False. Thanks again.

The Quran and Ot is pretty much the same. I would bet most of it came from the Jews or Hebrews living in Medina and Mecca at the time, and then gnostic Christians.

by the way, just who is the God of the OT??