Summary of the recent USMB climate debate

[ralfy]

Check the NAS final report on the matter and that from Berkeley Earth, which was funded by deniers.

 

[BackAgain]

• Apr 19, 2023
• One of Hundreds of Times in my own words, including recently Blind Boy
• FromtheBackAgain is a 60 IQ little POS who cannot directly respond to or challenge me.

Asked and answered many times by me you Blithering Clocksucker. With this basic post.


Scientists have been able to measure radiation-in/radiation-out directly and precisely for more than 50 years.
Radiation-in has not changed as the earth warmed.
Radiation reflected back out is being blocked at the exact spectral wavelengths of the GHGs (Greenhouse gases)

CO2 is not the only GHG. (water vapor, Methane, etc)
Methane/CH4 is 20-80 as powerful. (from livestock), and the snowball effect of other GHG warming which releases more methane from the warming oceans and melting tundra.
CO2 is up from 280 PPM to 410, mainly in the last 70 (of 170) years.
Methane has Tripled.

Previous warming cycles were caused by orbital changes of angle or distance leading to more radiation-in, aka 'solar forcing.'
We/they know that is/was Not the case this time.

GHGs, as serious Deniers know/use, usually LAG that solar forcing... but this time are leading it! Because they also contribute to warming even in a natural cycle. (GHG definition).
This cycle was Not caused by increased solar energy but rather those gases increased/blanket thickened at an unprecedented rate Compared to natural cycles.


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See? It’s exactly as I called. This Abu Afuk couldn’t grasp the topic or answer the question



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[EMH]

Check the NAS final report on the matter and that from Berkeley Earth, which was funded by deniers.

A lot of the "deniers" are like Toddster, frauds. The entire "solar cycle" theory is taxpayer funded and from the Co2 fraud, because it is as easily discredited as Co2 is. That is why Faux "News" pushes it, because if it had any truth, they'd censor it, like Faux does the question

How did Co2 melt North America and freeze Greenland at the same time?

How did the Sun melt North American and freeze Greenland at the same time?


Both BLOW UP right there...

 

[EMH]

But Carbon Dioxide from the burning of fossil fuels is now Trapping heat to the level of 2.07 Watts per Meter Squared

Amazing how accurate that is ... cough cough... funny how the TWO and ONLY TWO MEASURES of atmospheric temps say that number is actually


GOD DAMN FUCKING ZEEEERO

 

[EMH]

The sun’s 11-year cycle

somehow melted North America and froze Greenland at the same time????

LOL!!!

How do we know it is not 10.4 years??

LOL!!!


ALL BULLSHIT!!!!

 

[EMH]

See? It’s exactly as I called. This Abu Afuk couldn’t grasp the topic or answer the question



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You are correct that Co2 is a lagging indicator, that Co2 increases and decreases depending on Earth ice shrinking or growing. That is because Co2 is not only trapped in the compressed air in the glaciers, it is also trapped in the H20... ie disproportionally trapped.

But to accept their "warming" based on fudge, that is surrendering an issue that is not real. Their first thing they need to prove is that Co2 WARMS the atmosphere.

The two and only two measures of atmospheric temps both REFUTED THAT COMPLETELY...


From a legal perspective, the term CONFLICT OF INTEREST in fudging the atmospheric temp data is OFF THE SCALE....

 

[Flash]

It would be so mich easier to trust science if it wasn't politicized and manipulated for profit. It is impossible to know what to believe because so many assertions have been proven incorrect over many decades.

...and

We have exposed the Principle Scientists and the agencies like NASA and NOAA creating fraudulent and cherry picked data.

None of the dire predictions ever come true.

People are getting filthy rich scamming government subsidies for Environmental Wacko products.

Data to the contrary has been ignored, no matter how compelling.

The only things the Environmental Wackos have are "shit in-shit out" computer models, a silly non scientific correlation and a whole lot of fraudulent data.

 

[EMH]

...and

We have exposed the Principle Scientists and the agencies like NASA and NOAA creating fraudulent and cherry picked data.

None of the dire predictions ever come true.

People are getting filthy rich scamming government subsidies for Environmental Wacko products.

Data to the contrary has been ignored, no matter how compelling.

The only things the Environmental Wackos have are "shit in-shit out" computer models, a silly non scientific correlation and a whole lot of fraudulent data.

They are bankrupting America and wrecking the US economy.

 

[EMH]

Liberals never get anything right. Literally everything they attempt turns to shit.

There is a fundamental conflict with anyone in government.

Solve a problem and you get NO MORE FUNDING

Create a ficticious "problem" and YOU GET ENDLESS FUNDING to NEVER SOLVE IT

Fauci and his US taxpayer funded foreign operated bio labs are there to CREATE PROBLEMS for "government to solve" = get that


Like the firefighter who starts forest fires = we need more $$$ for firefighting


SMALL LIMITED ACCOUNTABLE GOVERNMENT = Libertarianism

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Let’s say that the atmospheric temperature has been rising lately. And let’s say that the measurement of additional carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is notably higher (as trace gasses go) than it was 150 or so years ago.

How is it determined that the rising CO2 in the air hasn’t been caused by the rising temperature rather than the CO2 causing rising temperatures?

Simpletons like apu afuk cannot answer that question. At least Crick seems to have some grasp of the subject matter. But I ask the question because we do know that the rising temperatures have released Earth bound (rock and soil-held) CO2 as when some permafrost melts.

So what makes it the alleged “cause” of higher temperatures rather than being a mere byproduct OF higher temperatures.

There's an accurate side-by-side 450,000 year long dataset showing EXACTLY THAT! CO2 lags temperature on both increase AND decrease. In fact once CO2 peaks, the temperature often plummets for tens of thousands of year, which is the exact opposite of the Failed Theory that Manmade CO2 is driving the climate

 

[EMH]

There's an accurate side-by-side 450,000 year long dataset showing EXACTLY THAT! CO2 lags temperature on both increase AND decrease. In fact once CO2 peaks, the temperature often plummets for tens of thousands of year, which is the exact opposite of the Failed Theory that Manmade CO2 is driving the climate

Combine that with the "600 miles to the Pole" issue and Co2 gets absolutely WRECKED....

Co2 does NOTHING = the DATA

 

[EMH]

Toddster's last attempt was to parrot the McBullshit about 2.5 mile thick ice age glacier on Chicago in the past several million years... was really 75k years old, which is what McBullshit claims it is, laughably.

The McBullshit claim is that the North American Ice Age started 75k years ago in northern Canada, and 75k years later there were 2.5 mile thick glaciers covering Chicago.


Today, of course, the only place where there are 2.5 mile thick glaciers is the 40+ million year old continent specific ice age on Antarctica, 90% of Earth ice. Greenland's million year old ice age has no ice 2 miles thick, and is under a mile thick south of the Arctic Circle...

Researchers pulled out 800k years of ice core data from such glacier in Antarctica, which proves McBullshit's 75k year old claim is, well, bullshit...

antarctic ice cores years - Google Search

So Toddster is trying to figure out how to answer how the glaciers on Chicago one million years ago were different than the ones on Antarctica today, given SAME HEIGHT....

 

[ralfy]

A lot of the "deniers" are like Toddster, frauds. The entire "solar cycle" theory is taxpayer funded and from the Co2 fraud, because it is as easily discredited as Co2 is. That is why Faux "News" pushes it, because if it had any truth, they'd censor it, like Faux does the question

How did Co2 melt North America and freeze Greenland at the same time?

How did the Sun melt North American and freeze Greenland at the same time?


Both BLOW UP right there...

That's because CO2 is not the major source but acts as a forcing factor.

 

[EMH]

That's because CO2 is not the major source but acts as a forcing factor.

Your side has yet to document that Co2 is any factor at all.

Co2 went up in atmosphere, atmospheric temps did not got up.

 

[ralfy]

Your side has yet to document that Co2 is any factor at all.

Co2 went up in atmosphere, atmospheric temps did not got up.

My "side" comes from yours, which funded Berkeley Earth.

 

[EMH]

My "side" comes from yours, which funded Berkeley Earth.

My side proves THE ATMOSPHERE is NOT the cause of Earth climate change.

The atmosphere did not thaw North America and freeze Greenland at the same time.

What did that is tectonic plate movement and the "600 miles to the pole" threshold for a continent going into ice age... or coming out as NA just did.

 

[ralfy]

My side proves THE ATMOSPHERE is NOT the cause of Earth climate change.

The atmosphere did not thaw North America and freeze Greenland at the same time.

What did that is tectonic plate movement and the "600 miles to the pole" threshold for a continent going into ice age... or coming out as NA just did.

Funded by deniers:

Richard Muller, Charles Koch, and the implosion of the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature Study

Multiple head-vise alert! Let’s say you’re a major national lab, affiliated with a major university, concerned about critiques of the global temperature record. Let’s say you get the bright idea to assemble some really smart scientists and statisticians “to resolve current criticism of the...

grist.org

Environmental science, data, and analysis of the highest qualityIndependent, non-governmental, and open-source. - Berkeley Earth

Berkeley Earth is the only source of reliable, independent, non-governmental, and unbiased scientific data and analysis of the highest quality.

berkeleyearth.org

 

[EMH]

Funded by deniers:

Richard Muller, Charles Koch, and the implosion of the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature Study

Multiple head-vise alert! Let’s say you’re a major national lab, affiliated with a major university, concerned about critiques of the global temperature record. Let’s say you get the bright idea to assemble some really smart scientists and statisticians “to resolve current criticism of the...

grist.org

Environmental science, data, and analysis of the highest qualityIndependent, non-governmental, and open-source. - Berkeley Earth

Berkeley Earth is the only source of reliable, independent, non-governmental, and unbiased scientific data and analysis of the highest quality.

berkeleyearth.org

None of those are citing the

600 miles to an Earth Pole = Continent Specific Ice Age


FAIL

That the FRAUD has this tactic, that it says "deniers fund X and Y blah blah blah" is outed as complete bullshit because those same "deniers" to not push what EMH is pushing, the 600 miles to a pole = continent specific ice age = cause of climate change.

They push solar cycle which is discredited the same way Co2 is, with THE DATA

When we debate THE DATA, it is a route for EMH...

 

[ralfy]

None of those are citing the

600 miles to an Earth Pole = Continent Specific Ice Age


FAIL

That the FRAUD has this tactic, that it says "deniers fund X and Y blah blah blah" is outed as complete bullshit because those same "deniers" to not push what EMH is pushing, the 600 miles to a pole = continent specific ice age = cause of climate change.

They push solar cycle which is discredited the same way Co2 is, with THE DATA

When we debate THE DATA, it is a route for EMH...

Ice age. LOL.

 

[EMH]

Ice age. LOL.

The term "ice age" originated before we understood the tectonic plates move. It was thought that Antarctic Ice grew out over ocean and caused documented glaciation of Southern South America.

That is complete bull.

Antarctica and South America were attached, and that is why South America glaciated, and also dates the AGE of the Antarctic CONTINENT SPECIFIC ICE AGE...

The Andes and the Transantarctic Mountains are THE SAME MOUNTAIN RANGE caused by THE SAME tectonic plate movement....



Now, please explain how Antarctica is NOT an ICE AGE = hint - it is covered with ice 2+ miles thick....