Sea levels rise by 'unexpected' amount in 2024: NASA

[jc456]

When you are already near or at sea level, 6 inches is A LOT!

Where’s that six inches from? Why can’t you all ever post a photo difference of rise

 

[Care4all]

Where’s that six inches from? Why can’t you all ever post a photo difference of rise

In a 150 years at the rate of rise we are at now....

 

[ding]

When you are already near or at sea level, 6 inches is A LOT!

Is there an expectation that it should be unchanging?

 

[jc456]

In a 150 years at the rate of rise we are at now....

Yet, photo after photo of designated locations on the planet, there is no way six inches of change actually happened. You have absolutely zero evidence to make such a statement. There's that.

 

[ReinyDays]

Last time... of course energy is stored in the oceans, that is what having more than 4X the heat capacity as the air means...

Then you're NOT modeling the atmosphere and ocean as the SAME system? ... at least make up your mind before you quit ...

How could they not be? They are really both part of the SAME system.

The example in question is the ocean at 15ºC and atmosphere at 10ºC ... my claim is energy moves from the ocean to the atmosphere instantaneously proportional to the magnitude of the forces involved ... because forces act instantaneously ...

The oceans emit IR at night ... bleeding energy into the atmosphere ... or space on clear nights ... if this is storage, it sure is leaky ...

 

[ReinyDays]

Much more can be done little by little by little over the next 100 or more years that could better prepare us for the sea level rise.

Great point ... and I think we are ... markets for building materials are sky-high anymore ... and they are not coming down ... and the way we're building houses, they won't last 100 years ... especially ...

... and let me quickly point out the Biblical nature of this ...

ESPECIALLY building on sand ... like new coastlines ... free market will correct most all the Catastrophobics' claims, already Florida requires homes to be nailed together and we're seeing less destruction where hurricanes are frequent ... yeah, Andrew (1992) was an eye-opener there ...

"[26] And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: [27] And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it." -- Mat 7

 

[Sunsettommy]

In a 150 years at the rate of rise we are at now....

Yet you worry over this excessively despite that it was well over a meter higher in the early interglacial period based on dozens of published papers all in the link below.

2m Higher Holocene Sea Levels

LINK

 

[Care4all]

Yet you worry over this excessively despite that it was well over a meter higher in the early interglacial period based on dozens of published papers all in the link below.

2m Higher Holocene Sea Levels

LINK

I'm not worried....I'm a planner, a thinker, a solution finder....when and if there is a problem, I don't panic or freeze.

How many cities and roads and highways and homes next to the water did we have back then?

 

[Sunsettommy]

I'm not worried....I'm a planner, a thinker, a solution finder....when and if there is a problem, I don't panic or freeze.

How many cities and roads and highways and homes next to the water did we have back then?

Greece lost a few cities due to that early higher sea level and there are cities today are now inland that used to be a sea port city long ago.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

 

[CallTheCobra]

I've been propping my fishing pole on the same piling on the outer banks for 40+ years and it's not underwater yet.

Ever wonder why they can never show us where the ocean is rising...

 

[ReinyDays]

I'm not worried....I'm a planner, a thinker, a solution finder....when and if there is a problem, I don't panic or freeze.

How many cities and roads and highways and homes next to the water did we have back then?

Japan is a great place to look for examples ... their 25 foot sea walls all washed out during the 50 foot tsunami in 2011 ... the B1M claims 400 km worth has been 90% replaced, plus another 250 km ...

At the current rate of sea level rise, we're only talking 18 inches by Year 2100 {Cite} ... and really anywhere from Nicaragua to Newfoundland should have ten foot sea walls already ... hurricane country ... how hard is it to add two feet every century? ...

 

[toobfreak]

Then you're NOT modeling the atmosphere and ocean as the SAME system? ...

I'm not trying to model anything, I'm not a climatologist. All I'm telling you is that both the oceans and atmosphere interact and if any model does not properly take storage of energy properly into account, how can they ever hope to get accurate results?

 

[ReinyDays]

I'm not trying to model anything, I'm not a climatologist. All I'm telling you is that both the oceans and atmosphere interact and if any model does not properly take storage of energy properly into account, how can they ever hope to get accurate results?

Then let me edify you ... Atmospheric Science models the climate system using blackbody radiators and Stefan-Boltzmann's Law ... I thought you understood that model with your experiences with astronomy ... energy in equals energy out, nothing is stored ... your claims are easily refuted ... the ocean emits IR along her blackbody curve as fast as the Laws of Nature allow ... like drilling holes in the bottom of a bucket and trying to store water in it ...

That's right ... the Earth does emit radiation along her blackbody curve ... why we use the blackbody model ...

I posted a textbook citation ... all I get back is crickets ... yeah ... college science ... more complicated than a framing hammer that's for sure ...

If you're not using a model ... then you're just using catch-phrases and repeating things from other areas of science ... and that's why your logic is breaking down ... "The ocean stores energy because I say so" ...

 

[ding]

energy in equals energy out, nothing is stored ...

So according to that there is no net warming or net cooling possible.

 

[toobfreak]

... Atmospheric Science models the climate system using blackbody radiators and Stefan-Boltzmann's Law ... I thought you understood that model with your experiences with astronomy ...

Stefan-Boltzmann's Law is based on a perfect, theoretical blackbody surface. It was created solely for simplicity in calculation because it closely fits many situations.

You can apply Stefan-Boltzmann and yet still have hysteresis in your system because the former does not preclude energy storage over time.

 

[ding]

If you're not using a model ... then you're just using catch-phrases and repeating things from other areas of science ... and that's why your logic is breaking down ... "The ocean stores energy because I say so" ...

No. Because the data says so.

Snapshots of mean ocean temperature over the last 700 000 years using noble gases in the EPICA Dome C ice core

Abstract. Together with the latent heat stored in glacial ice sheets, the ocean heat uptake carries the lion's share of glacial–interglacial changes in the planetary heat content, but little direct information on the global mean ocean temperature (MOT) is available to constrain the ocean...

cp.copernicus.org

 

[ReinyDays]

Stefan-Boltzmann's Law is based on a perfect, theoretical blackbody surface. It was created solely for simplicity in calculation because it closely fits many situations.

You can apply Stefan-Boltzmann and yet still have hysteresis in your system because the former does not preclude energy storage over time.

Exactly ... SB closely fits Earth's surface ... I just checked Climate model - Wikipedia, the explanation there is clear enough ... no mention of hysteresis ... you said you didn't know how meteorology models the climate system ... so why do you think SB doesn't work, or is too inaccurate ... we also use the ideal gas law because dry air is very close to ideal at environmental temperatures ...

There's no "storage" time in SB ... except to perform the work involved ... energy flows from excess to lack instantaneously ... I made this argument above, do you have any answer? ...

Maybe an example of hysteresis in the air/ocean interface? ... any warmth in the ocean built up during the day is lost at night ... on average ... likewise between summer and winter ... if nothing's stored, why do you say there's storage? ...

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Exactly ... SB closely fits Earth's surface ... I just checked Climate model - Wikipedia, the explanation there is clear enough ... no mention of hysteresis ... you said you didn't know how meteorology models the climate system ... so why do you think SB doesn't work, or is too inaccurate ... we also use the ideal gas law because dry air is very close to ideal at environmental temperatures ...

There's no "storage" time in SB ... except to perform the work involved ... energy flows from excess to lack instantaneously ... I made this argument above, do you have any answer? ...

Maybe an example of hysteresis in the air/ocean interface? ... any warmth in the ocean built up during the day is lost at night ... on average ... likewise between summer and winter ... if nothing's stored, why do you say there's storage? ...

You're too simple I don't know the science and from just this I know that the ocean HOLDS 4 times as much heat as the air.

 

[Delldude]

We're in the middle of a solar maximum cycle. What's the coefficient of linear and volumetric expansion on the oceans?