Stupid Bastard Announces Begining Of Shooting War With Iran

[22lcidw]

daveman said —
“And of course, Iran would NEVER lie.”

Is that supposed to be ... satire?

Of course the Iranian theocratic regime can lie. They lie all the time! So does our government, by the way.

The goal of all my comments is to put what they say and what both sides do into context. Do you think the Iranian regime is “suicidal” ... as others have said? Or are they desperately trying to survive, to show the U.S. they are really not ”paper tigers” even though they lack nuclear weapons? ... even if they lack dozens of military bases surrounding the USA!

You can’t get over American diplomats and CIA men held by revolutionary students 40 years ago? Well, guess what? They haven’t gotten over the war we encouraged Saddam Hussein to wage against them, and the chemical weapons used against their soldiers, and the bombs that fell on their cities, a war that lasted almost a decade — followed by war sanctions. We are an existential threat to them, as we were to the regimes and peoples of Libya, Syria and Iraq.

To say nothing of the CIA instigated coup to install the Shah. Then there was the passenger airline the US navy shot down. Decades of sanctions and threats by the Empire.

It is doubtless that over the last 40 years, covert ops to harm Iran has been implemented by the Empire, that the American people will never know about.

Yet, the dumb American thinks Iran is the aggressor and the Empire is peaches and cream.

I am sure that the ayatollah would welcome you as a new iranian citizen, when are you leaving?

Yes I’m a traitor for disagreeing with the criminal government you so love and adore.

All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.

You will do well in our Orwellian future.

We are all peasants. Controlled by our masters. Iran has made its point. We did interfere in the past. They can be rich. Its their choice. If they perfect their rocket technology and develop the bomb, Israel may get the results. Israel is to close to them. And if they go, a whole bunch of others are going with them.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

“INTERNATIONAL waters” — LOL.
The U.S. has not even signed the “Law of the Sea” (UNCLOS) treaty, because it might limit its military “freedom of movement”!!!

See:

 

[eagle1462010]

 

[eagle1462010]

They always sound like a wet fart to me...........LOL

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Too bad U.S. high tech naval vessels keep crashing into even huge, lumbering, completely innocent commercial tankers!

Years of Warnings, Then Death and Disaster: How the Navy Failed Its Sailors

The Pentagon ignored years of warnings before the Navy’s deadliest crashes in decades.

features.propublica.org

 

[DOTR]

There is no comparison between a ship surprise attacked in dock and a destroyer at cruising speed on fully alert, guns armed and manned.

They do not sail at cruising speed all the time. They are easily disguised and put into the path of one of our ships on a moment's notice.

The US navy has been in the Persian Gulf for decades. They have consistently threatened Iran during this time, yet you think Iran is the aggressor.

We have been told for decades that Iran might blockade the Persian Gulf, but we are still waiting. Maybe this threat is propaganda to dupe dupes.

Just case you aren’t aware, the Persian Gulf is nowhere near the USA, but it is very close to Iran.

Iran...the libertarians paradise.

Always believe your government. They are always right.

Achtung! Heil Hitler!

Well my government is slightly more reliable than yours...Iran.

Oh yeah it’s reliably warlike.

Yeah all countries go to war occasionally...or cease to exist. The enemy without with your kind as the enemy within.

 

[DOTR]

Just case you aren’t aware, the Persian Gulf is nowhere near the USA, but it is very close to Iran.

Doesn't matter where it is at. Its vital to our interests. The United States, when still a brand new country in 1798, sent ships to the Caribbean where they patrolled to protect American interests. They battled both pirates and French ships for two years. In the end our merchant ships carried out their business duties without molestation in the area thanks to America's projection of Naval power.

Thomas Jefferson sent frigates and marines to the Mediterranean in 1801 for no reason other than to ensure American shipping remained unmolested.

That was before your silly libertarian nonsense was invented in Europe by the same people who gave us communism.

 

[gipper]

Just case you aren’t aware, the Persian Gulf is nowhere near the USA, but it is very close to Iran.

Doesn't matter where it is at. Its vital to our interests. The United States, when still a brand new country in 1798, sent ships to the Caribbean where they patrolled to protect American interests. They battled both pirates and French ships for two years. In the end our merchant ships carried out their business duties without molestation in the area thanks to America's projection of Naval power.

Thomas Jefferson sent frigates and marines to the Mediterranean in 1801 for no reason other than to ensure American shipping remained unmolested.

That was before your silly libertarian nonsense was invented in Europe by the same people who gave us communism.

No it isn’t vital and in no way is it similar to the Barbery Privates. The US is oil independent. So there goes your point entirely. The only thing the gulf kingdoms export is oil and they don’t buy anything from US but armaments.

The American people have no interests in the ME. The 1% has interests and the MIC too. Why do you support crooks?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

How many casualties so far?

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

How many casualties so far?

How many ... mental casualties ... among warmongers here?
Of course the real shooting has not yet begun. Just too many U.S. missiles fired, followed by Iranian missiles, and a few mortars lobbed on land. Maybe 75 killed and a hundred wounded in recent months. The important discussion here is about preventing U.S. involvement in another “endless war” in the Middle East. Capiche?

 

[MAGAman]

SHOOT DOWN???? Do the Iranians have flying gunboats now? Are there pictures?

You probably didn't know the bottom of the ocean is below the surface.

 

[MAGAman]

Good diplomacy is a better policy.
Strong ARM policy is always the worst policy.


If we want something from Iran. Treating them as an enemy, starving their people, cannot a bank loan. What do we expect from return? Zero to NOTHING. Fuck you.

If we want something from China to cooperate with us with CV investigation. Then treating them and finger pointing. You don’t expect any cooperation.


If I want something from you. Treating you as an enemy, starving your kids, close your bank account. What do I expect from you in return? Zero to Nothing. Fuck you go to hell.


If I come to you as a friend. Offering you a better future, food, $ and life for your kids. I expect a love and respect from you. I stand a better chance and high percentage I can get something in return. We can be friends work together and get rid of the bad policy.

TELL ME WHERE I’M WRONG?
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Your Iranian parliament sessions has "Death to America" as their official foreign policy.

 

[DOTR]

Just case you aren’t aware, the Persian Gulf is nowhere near the USA, but it is very close to Iran.

Doesn't matter where it is at. Its vital to our interests. The United States, when still a brand new country in 1798, sent ships to the Caribbean where they patrolled to protect American interests. They battled both pirates and French ships for two years. In the end our merchant ships carried out their business duties without molestation in the area thanks to America's projection of Naval power.

Thomas Jefferson sent frigates and marines to the Mediterranean in 1801 for no reason other than to ensure American shipping remained unmolested.

That was before your silly libertarian nonsense was invented in Europe by the same people who gave us communism.

No it isn’t vital and in no way is it similar to the Barbery Privates. The US is oil independent. So there goes your point entirely. The only thing the gulf kingdoms export is oil and they don’t buy anything from US but armaments.

The American people have no interests in the ME. The 1% has interests and the MIC too. Why do you support crooks?

You are consumed by ideology. But im sure you are well read. Try this one...

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001MH3OMG/?tag=usmb-20


No country allows its access to any sea to by restricted unless they simply lack the power in which case they decline and die. Since the 1700's, from our very birth, we have used our navy to protect our merchant ships and trade interests not to mention geopolitical interests. Call it whatever "complex" you like. Our first ships protected the "sugar, run and spice industrial complex " I suppose.

 

[Preacher]

His insane antics used to be funny. He’s let the vermin take over for the warmongers.View attachment 326570

Nothing more than a Bush lite. His cult followers still think he completely shut down immigration into the US when in fact he pretty much gave exemptions to EVERYONE....Trump may be the president but Kushner runs the show.

 

[Preacher]

 

[daveman]

Well, that's because our first instinct is to not surrender to people who have harmed our folks.

Your mileage apparently varies.

No. I get over it and move on.

“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice; a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice, — is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. As long as justice and injustice have not terminated their ever-renewing fight for ascendancy in the affairs of mankind, human beings must be willing, when need is, to do battle for the one against the other.”

― John Stuart Mill, Principles of Political Economy

Man, Mill really nailed you. You need to thank whatever god you believe in there are men better than you to take care of you.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Mill "nailed" the Trump cult, too:

"Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing ."

 

[Dr Grump]

“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice; a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice, — is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. As long as justice and injustice have not terminated their ever-renewing fight for ascendancy in the affairs of mankind, human beings must be willing, when need is, to do battle for the one against the other.”

― John Stuart Mill, Principles of Political Economy

Man, Mill really nailed you. You need to thank whatever god you believe in there are men better than you to take care of you.

Didn't even come close to nailing me. I absolutely think there is something worth fighting for. The last war the US was involved in that was worth going to war over was WWII. Anything since then has been nothing but BS wars over nothing - that includes Korea (Asian war), Vietnam (nothing to do with the US). Don't even start me on Iraq. Grenada or Afghanistan.

The last time the US was justified going into a country was Somalia and that was a humanitarian effort, which should have been applauded, but neocon whackadoodles criticised Clinton for it. How dare he try and help people without wanting their oil or whatever!

I don't believe in any god, and I sure as shit don't need anybody to take of me - especially the US military.

 

[lennypartiv]

Stupid libs like Preacher don't realize our corporations pay taxes that end up paying for our military, therefore they are entitled to assistance from our military.

 

[Nostra]

Did we blow up any ragheads in pontoon boats today?