Stolen Valor, too many get by with it.

[Zona]

Seems to me, there are a few here that should click the link you provided and feel shame for portaying themselves "honorable men and women" of our military...when these people are nothing more than the cowardly nematodes that they are.
But, I doubt they will...they will continue to hold on to their pathetic attempts at telling their stories no matter how many times they change up, or down, their accounts of 'honorable' service...no matter how sickening it is to those who know they are not telling the truth.

There have been several here......and there still are. You can tell them right off by the way they do talk about their service... and they way it gets grander at every turn. Zona was on to a big one at one time......

Braggarts will be braggarts and they cant change their DNA.

I wish you could get this Zona to contact me. I keep reading her name but haven't a clue about her. If she would pm me I'd be very grateful.

I am a guy from AriZONA....get it?

By the way, I am a 20 year Navy guy myself.

84-88 NAS Sowey...(South Weymouth, Ma) AIMD wc 900 and 670
88-92 VF-301. Fighters in Miramar. Hngr. 5 (Best time in my career really).
92-94 VAW-88 E-2's. (Down the hall from VF-301). Why only 2 years? The Marines kicked us out of Miramar...lol
94-98 NAVAIRES North Island. INst ructor duty
98-02 VR-57 C-9's. Went everywhere in the world. Literally.
02-04 HC-85 My only Helo time.

I hate fakers and am proud to have served myself. If anyone doubts my time, I will be happy to speak on any one of my many squardrons and commands.

I hate fake "Majors". (You know who I am talking about.) I may make that my new sig line.

 

[Zona]

Here are some red flags to alert you to the possibility of a wannabe:

1. "I was in special ops." (In other words, no proof is forthcoming 'cuz it's a secret...see?)

2. "I can't remember what unit I was in." (Bullshit. Nobody forgets that without having been shot in the head.)

3. "I was in so many places, I can't remember anything specific." (Maybe, but it's also a good way to hide the fact that you were never there.)

4. They don't speak military shorthand and don't recognize common military acronyms such as ETS, DEROS, BCT. (Caution: Each service has it's own internal language which outsiders don't speak.)

5. Their timeline isn't right. (For instance, I met a guy who claimed to have been back in Vietnam with the 173rd Airborne on a "special mission" in 1975. The brigade was de-activated in 1972.)

WARNING TO PHONIES: It doesn't take a real Veteran but about 5 minutes to find you out.

 

[pinqy]

Here are some red flags to alert you to the possibility of a wannabe:

1. "I was in special ops." (In other words, no proof is forthcoming 'cuz it's a secret...see?)

1a. "My MOS/unit? That's classified."

Anyone actually involved in classified work will not bring it up only to tell you they can't talk about it. They just won't bring it up, or will speak only in vague terms if they must talk about a unit/assignment.

 

[SFC Ollie]

TCLSC-EUR I don't talk much about it.....

 

[Redbone]

A good friend of mine once told me about his accosting one of the lying blowhards that was telling a small group at his favorite bar all about his slaying lots of enemy in Vietnam. The guy sat their for about ten minutes bragging and even mentioned he had been shot in the left ankle and almost lost the leg.

My buddy stated right off he knew the guy was a lying son of a bitch but decided to hear how much crap he was going to spit out. After hearing the fool tell how he had once killed over 50 enemy troops, North Vietnamese regulars mind you not the " weaker vietcong" as he described them. Mike finally had enough and asked him why he was facing so many N.V. regulars? He replied , it was the first day of the Tet Offensive and N.V. regulars were all over the place. Then my buddy remembered he had previously made a big deal about arriving in country on Thanksgiving day 1969! So Mike asked when did you arrive in country and the liar replied same as before Thanksgiving day 1969, I remember it well.

Mike then stepped right up to the guy and said, the Tet Offensive was January 1968, how did you manage to fight and kill all those N.V. regulars a year before you even arrived in country on Thanksgiving day in 1969? You could have heard a pin drop! Guy stammered back, I got my years mixed up. Mike replied, and how about that injury to your left ankle that you stated almost took off your leg. Let's see that ankle. The scum did not want to lift his pants leg up so Mike reached over and did it for him . The leg had never been injured and was as perfect as could be.

At this point Mike said he thought about knocking the guy down but decided to just run him out of the bar. Told him to get his sorry lying ass gone and don't come back. Being a coward like they all are the scum swiftly raced to the door and was gone.

I asked Mike why he did not beat the lying coward's sorry ass. His answer was , I was so mad I was afraid that I would kill him if I got started beating him. I understood that having seen Mike in a few fights over the years..

Question the stories these liars tell and you will find mistakes . Often forcing them to repeat the story. They not remembering the lie very well start to change it. Sometimes they just shut up and leave, run away. Hiding when questioned seems to be a favorite past time for many of them.

 

[rightwinger]

A good friend of mine once told me about his accosting one of the lying blowhards that was telling a small group at his favorite bar all about his slaying lots of enemy in Vietnam. The guy sat their for about ten minutes bragging and even mentioned he had been shot in the left ankle and almost lost the leg.

My buddy stated right off he knew the guy was a lying son of a bitch but decided to hear how much crap he was going to spit out. After hearing the fool tell how he had once killed over 50 enemy troops, North Vietnamese regulars mind you not the " weaker vietcong" as he described them. Mike finally had enough and asked him why he was facing so many N.V. regulars? He replied , it was the first day of the Tet Offensive and N.V. regulars were all over the place. Then my buddy remembered he had previously made a big deal about arriving in country on Thanksgiving day 1969! So Mike asked when did you arrive in country and the liar replied same as before Thanksgiving day 1969, I remember it well.

Mike then stepped right up to the guy and said, the Tet Offensive was January 1968, how did you manage to fight and kill all those N.V. regulars a year before you even arrived in country on Thanksgiving day in 1969? You could have heard a pin drop! Guy stammered back, I got my years mixed up. Mike replied, and how about that injury to your left ankle that you stated almost took off your leg. Let's see that ankle. The scum did not want to lift his pants leg up so Mike reached over and did it for him . The leg had never been injured and was as perfect as could be.

At this point Mike said he thought about knocking the guy down but decided to just run him out of the bar. Told him to get his sorry lying ass gone and don't come back. Being a coward like they all are the scum swiftly raced to the door and was gone.

I asked Mike why he did not beat the lying coward's sorry ass. His answer was , I was so mad I was afraid that I would kill him if I got started beating him. I understood that having seen Mike in a few fights over the years..

Question the stories these liars tell and you will find mistakes . Often forcing them to repeat the story. They not remembering the lie very well start to change it. Sometimes they just shut up and leave, run away. Hiding when questioned seems to be a favorite past time for many of them.

Assholes in bars lie

They lie about being the star Quarterback in High School, about dating supermodels, about being a major league baseball player, being in the CIA, about making millions of dollars on Wall Street

Best just to ignore them

 

[syrenn]

A good friend of mine once told me about his accosting one of the lying blowhards that was telling a small group at his favorite bar all about his slaying lots of enemy in Vietnam. The guy sat their for about ten minutes bragging and even mentioned he had been shot in the left ankle and almost lost the leg.

My buddy stated right off he knew the guy was a lying son of a bitch but decided to hear how much crap he was going to spit out. After hearing the fool tell how he had once killed over 50 enemy troops, North Vietnamese regulars mind you not the " weaker vietcong" as he described them. Mike finally had enough and asked him why he was facing so many N.V. regulars? He replied , it was the first day of the Tet Offensive and N.V. regulars were all over the place. Then my buddy remembered he had previously made a big deal about arriving in country on Thanksgiving day 1969! So Mike asked when did you arrive in country and the liar replied same as before Thanksgiving day 1969, I remember it well.

Mike then stepped right up to the guy and said, the Tet Offensive was January 1968, how did you manage to fight and kill all those N.V. regulars a year before you even arrived in country on Thanksgiving day in 1969? You could have heard a pin drop! Guy stammered back, I got my years mixed up. Mike replied, and how about that injury to your left ankle that you stated almost took off your leg. Let's see that ankle. The scum did not want to lift his pants leg up so Mike reached over and did it for him . The leg had never been injured and was as perfect as could be.

At this point Mike said he thought about knocking the guy down but decided to just run him out of the bar. Told him to get his sorry lying ass gone and don't come back. Being a coward like they all are the scum swiftly raced to the door and was gone.

I asked Mike why he did not beat the lying coward's sorry ass. His answer was , I was so mad I was afraid that I would kill him if I got started beating him. I understood that having seen Mike in a few fights over the years..

Question the stories these liars tell and you will find mistakes . Often forcing them to repeat the story. They not remembering the lie very well start to change it. Sometimes they just shut up and leave, run away. Hiding when questioned seems to be a favorite past time for many of them.

Assholes in bars lie

They lie about being the star Quarterback in High School, about dating supermodels, about being a major league baseball player, being in the CIA, about making millions of dollars on Wall Street

Best just to ignore them

it says a lot about a person who lies like this. Their personal lives must be so small, miserable and pathetic they need crutches to keep up an "appearance" of something grander.

 

[rightwinger]

A good friend of mine once told me about his accosting one of the lying blowhards that was telling a small group at his favorite bar all about his slaying lots of enemy in Vietnam. The guy sat their for about ten minutes bragging and even mentioned he had been shot in the left ankle and almost lost the leg.

My buddy stated right off he knew the guy was a lying son of a bitch but decided to hear how much crap he was going to spit out. After hearing the fool tell how he had once killed over 50 enemy troops, North Vietnamese regulars mind you not the " weaker vietcong" as he described them. Mike finally had enough and asked him why he was facing so many N.V. regulars? He replied , it was the first day of the Tet Offensive and N.V. regulars were all over the place. Then my buddy remembered he had previously made a big deal about arriving in country on Thanksgiving day 1969! So Mike asked when did you arrive in country and the liar replied same as before Thanksgiving day 1969, I remember it well.

Mike then stepped right up to the guy and said, the Tet Offensive was January 1968, how did you manage to fight and kill all those N.V. regulars a year before you even arrived in country on Thanksgiving day in 1969? You could have heard a pin drop! Guy stammered back, I got my years mixed up. Mike replied, and how about that injury to your left ankle that you stated almost took off your leg. Let's see that ankle. The scum did not want to lift his pants leg up so Mike reached over and did it for him . The leg had never been injured and was as perfect as could be.

At this point Mike said he thought about knocking the guy down but decided to just run him out of the bar. Told him to get his sorry lying ass gone and don't come back. Being a coward like they all are the scum swiftly raced to the door and was gone.

I asked Mike why he did not beat the lying coward's sorry ass. His answer was , I was so mad I was afraid that I would kill him if I got started beating him. I understood that having seen Mike in a few fights over the years..

Question the stories these liars tell and you will find mistakes . Often forcing them to repeat the story. They not remembering the lie very well start to change it. Sometimes they just shut up and leave, run away. Hiding when questioned seems to be a favorite past time for many of them.

Assholes in bars lie

They lie about being the star Quarterback in High School, about dating supermodels, about being a major league baseball player, being in the CIA, about making millions of dollars on Wall Street

Best just to ignore them

it says a lot about a person who lies like this. Their personal lives must be so small, miserable and pathetic they need crutches to keep up an "appearance" of something grander.

There are some guys who lie to cover up for a poor self image and some guys who lie to get laid

If you are lying to get laid....anything goes

 

[SFC Ollie]

I have a good friend who is about 8 years older than I am who I've known since I was about 8 years old. Of course we weren't friends way back when. I remember when he went in the service, because his sister was my Sunday school teacher and she would read us letters or at least tell us how he was doing. I must have been 14 or 15 when he went to Nam as a Green Beret. I remember him coming home in a wheelchair. And no one ever talked about it, But you would see him on Sunday sitting in his chair in the back of the church. It wasn't until about 10 years ago after I had retired and moved back home and got involved in the veteran groups that I learned what had happened to him. He broke his ankle jumping out of a chopper into a hot LZ. He took a piece of shrapnel and an AK 47 round in the same foot before he was thrown back on the chopper. It was nearly 6 years before he was walking and today he doesn't even limp. At first they believed he would lose the foot. He has never mentioned it. I got half the story from another vet and half of it from his sister. Today he is the vice commander of a Local Vietnam veterans group. My post works with them each November for the laying of the Roses, We read the names of all those in the county who died in Nam and lay a rose at the base of the Vietnam memorial downtown. If there are family members present they come up as the name is called and lay the rose escorted by a Veteran. If not then a veteran lays the rose and salutes.

 

[syrenn]

Assholes in bars lie

They lie about being the star Quarterback in High School, about dating supermodels, about being a major league baseball player, being in the CIA, about making millions of dollars on Wall Street

Best just to ignore them

it says a lot about a person who lies like this. Their personal lives must be so small, miserable and pathetic they need crutches to keep up an "appearance" of something grander.

There are some guys who lie to cover up for a poor self image and some guys who lie to get laid

If you are lying to get laid....anything goes

In my life.... none of them men i have ever met have had self esteem issues where they needed to steal the valor of others or embellish what they do have. . It boggles my mind some men are so self loathing, so scummy that they need or want to do this kind of thing.

some of the ones that make me shake my head are the street people with signs of "Nam Vet" and are not old enough to have two hairs between their legs....

I also figure the ones who steal military valor are the ones who have to make themselves look good when in the company of real military men..... I think its a self esteem thing so as not to look..... deficient.

I am not sure if you served or not.... but can you stop them?

 

[SFC Ollie]

it says a lot about a person who lies like this. Their personal lives must be so small, miserable and pathetic they need crutches to keep up an "appearance" of something grander.

There are some guys who lie to cover up for a poor self image and some guys who lie to get laid

If you are lying to get laid....anything goes

In my life.... none of them men i have ever met have had self esteem issues where they needed to steal the valor of others or embellish what they do have. . It boggles my mind some men are so self loathing, so scummy that they need or want to do this kind of thing.

some of the ones that make me shake my head are the street people with signs of "Nam Vet" and are not old enough to have two hairs between their legs....

I also figure the ones who steal military valor are the ones who have to make themselves look good when in the company of real military men..... I think its a self esteem thing so as not to look..... deficient.

I am not sure if you served or not.... but can you stop them?

This past November I was at the laying of the roses waiting for the ceremony to start and another Nam vet showed up in his wheelchair, I know the guy from the United Veterans council; and the thought struck me, "damn he looks old". Then I realized we were probably about the same age..... And I felt old.......

 

[Redbone]

A good friend of mine once told me about his accosting one of the lying blowhards that was telling a small group at his favorite bar all about his slaying lots of enemy in Vietnam. The guy sat their for about ten minutes bragging and even mentioned he had been shot in the left ankle and almost lost the leg.

My buddy stated right off he knew the guy was a lying son of a bitch but decided to hear how much crap he was going to spit out. After hearing the fool tell how he had once killed over 50 enemy troops, North Vietnamese regulars mind you not the " weaker vietcong" as he described them. Mike finally had enough and asked him why he was facing so many N.V. regulars? He replied , it was the first day of the Tet Offensive and N.V. regulars were all over the place. Then my buddy remembered he had previously made a big deal about arriving in country on Thanksgiving day 1969! So Mike asked when did you arrive in country and the liar replied same as before Thanksgiving day 1969, I remember it well.

Mike then stepped right up to the guy and said, the Tet Offensive was January 1968, how did you manage to fight and kill all those N.V. regulars a year before you even arrived in country on Thanksgiving day in 1969? You could have heard a pin drop! Guy stammered back, I got my years mixed up. Mike replied, and how about that injury to your left ankle that you stated almost took off your leg. Let's see that ankle. The scum did not want to lift his pants leg up so Mike reached over and did it for him . The leg had never been injured and was as perfect as could be.

At this point Mike said he thought about knocking the guy down but decided to just run him out of the bar. Told him to get his sorry lying ass gone and don't come back. Being a coward like they all are the scum swiftly raced to the door and was gone.

I asked Mike why he did not beat the lying coward's sorry ass. His answer was , I was so mad I was afraid that I would kill him if I got started beating him. I understood that having seen Mike in a few fights over the years..

Question the stories these liars tell and you will find mistakes . Often forcing them to repeat the story. They not remembering the lie very well start to change it. Sometimes they just shut up and leave, run away. Hiding when questioned seems to be a favorite past time for many of them.

Assholes in bars lie

They lie about being the star Quarterback in High School, about dating supermodels, about being a major league baseball player, being in the CIA, about making millions of dollars on Wall Street

Best just to ignore them

Assholes lie and assholes hide when confronted on that lying. Those attempting stolen valor should not be ignored. They are stealing from the sacrifice of those that served and did their duty. I have no respect for such trash. I have no respect for those that aid such lying SOBS.

 

[Redbone]

A good friend of mine once told me about his accosting one of the lying blowhards that was telling a small group at his favorite bar all about his slaying lots of enemy in Vietnam. The guy sat their for about ten minutes bragging and even mentioned he had been shot in the left ankle and almost lost the leg.

My buddy stated right off he knew the guy was a lying son of a bitch but decided to hear how much crap he was going to spit out. After hearing the fool tell how he had once killed over 50 enemy troops, North Vietnamese regulars mind you not the " weaker vietcong" as he described them. Mike finally had enough and asked him why he was facing so many N.V. regulars? He replied , it was the first day of the Tet Offensive and N.V. regulars were all over the place. Then my buddy remembered he had previously made a big deal about arriving in country on Thanksgiving day 1969! So Mike asked when did you arrive in country and the liar replied same as before Thanksgiving day 1969, I remember it well.

Mike then stepped right up to the guy and said, the Tet Offensive was January 1968, how did you manage to fight and kill all those N.V. regulars a year before you even arrived in country on Thanksgiving day in 1969? You could have heard a pin drop! Guy stammered back, I got my years mixed up. Mike replied, and how about that injury to your left ankle that you stated almost took off your leg. Let's see that ankle. The scum did not want to lift his pants leg up so Mike reached over and did it for him . The leg had never been injured and was as perfect as could be.

At this point Mike said he thought about knocking the guy down but decided to just run him out of the bar. Told him to get his sorry lying ass gone and don't come back. Being a coward like they all are the scum swiftly raced to the door and was gone.

I asked Mike why he did not beat the lying coward's sorry ass. His answer was , I was so mad I was afraid that I would kill him if I got started beating him. I understood that having seen Mike in a few fights over the years..

Question the stories these liars tell and you will find mistakes . Often forcing them to repeat the story. They not remembering the lie very well start to change it. Sometimes they just shut up and leave, run away. Hiding when questioned seems to be a favorite past time for many of them.

Assholes in bars lie

They lie about being the star Quarterback in High School, about dating supermodels, about being a major league baseball player, being in the CIA, about making millions of dollars on Wall Street

Best just to ignore them

it says a lot about a person who lies like this. Their personal lives must be so small, miserable and pathetic they need crutches to keep up an "appearance" of something grander.

How about the people that defend such scum? Are they just that stupid or do they choose to ignore it because they too have no honor?
Isn't ignoring the lying scum just aiding them? I firmly believe that it is.

 

[rightwinger]

A good friend of mine once told me about his accosting one of the lying blowhards that was telling a small group at his favorite bar all about his slaying lots of enemy in Vietnam. The guy sat their for about ten minutes bragging and even mentioned he had been shot in the left ankle and almost lost the leg.

My buddy stated right off he knew the guy was a lying son of a bitch but decided to hear how much crap he was going to spit out. After hearing the fool tell how he had once killed over 50 enemy troops, North Vietnamese regulars mind you not the " weaker vietcong" as he described them. Mike finally had enough and asked him why he was facing so many N.V. regulars? He replied , it was the first day of the Tet Offensive and N.V. regulars were all over the place. Then my buddy remembered he had previously made a big deal about arriving in country on Thanksgiving day 1969! So Mike asked when did you arrive in country and the liar replied same as before Thanksgiving day 1969, I remember it well.

Mike then stepped right up to the guy and said, the Tet Offensive was January 1968, how did you manage to fight and kill all those N.V. regulars a year before you even arrived in country on Thanksgiving day in 1969? You could have heard a pin drop! Guy stammered back, I got my years mixed up. Mike replied, and how about that injury to your left ankle that you stated almost took off your leg. Let's see that ankle. The scum did not want to lift his pants leg up so Mike reached over and did it for him . The leg had never been injured and was as perfect as could be.

At this point Mike said he thought about knocking the guy down but decided to just run him out of the bar. Told him to get his sorry lying ass gone and don't come back. Being a coward like they all are the scum swiftly raced to the door and was gone.

I asked Mike why he did not beat the lying coward's sorry ass. His answer was , I was so mad I was afraid that I would kill him if I got started beating him. I understood that having seen Mike in a few fights over the years..

Question the stories these liars tell and you will find mistakes . Often forcing them to repeat the story. They not remembering the lie very well start to change it. Sometimes they just shut up and leave, run away. Hiding when questioned seems to be a favorite past time for many of them.

Assholes in bars lie

They lie about being the star Quarterback in High School, about dating supermodels, about being a major league baseball player, being in the CIA, about making millions of dollars on Wall Street

Best just to ignore them

Assholes lie and assholes hide when confronted on that lying. Those attempting stolen valor should not be ignored. They are stealing from the sacrifice of those that served and did their duty. I have no respect for such trash. I have no respect for those that aid such lying SOBS.

And that is the point.

Those who fabricate events in their lives to impress others lack integrity. Lying that you are a war hero is equivalent to lying about being a doctor or star athlete or great humanitarian

 

[Redbone]

Assholes in bars lie

They lie about being the star Quarterback in High School, about dating supermodels, about being a major league baseball player, being in the CIA, about making millions of dollars on Wall Street

Best just to ignore them

Assholes lie and assholes hide when confronted on that lying. Those attempting stolen valor should not be ignored. They are stealing from the sacrifice of those that served and did their duty. I have no respect for such trash. I have no respect for those that aid such lying SOBS.

And that is the point.

Those who fabricate events in their lives to impress others lack integrity. Lying that you are a war hero is equivalent to lying about being a doctor or star athlete or great humanitarian

Of course that is true. I think it is at least that but actually it is worse. A doctor or athlete did not put their life on the line while serving the nation and defending us. Both made loads of cash while the military men and women did not. They deserve our respect and our defending them for all that which they sacrificed while protecting us.

 

[Connery]

Talk is cheap, it always has been. I have met military heores that have not spoken about their experiences and I have met those have needed to talk about their experiences. That alone is not determinative is seeking to find whether the truth is being told. I watch their behavior and habits. I am on a military base or VA hospital regularly, the heroes I see look no different than anyone I would see on the street, they are men and women who gave of themselves and served. Some came back whole, some came back seeking healing and wholeness.

There is no rhyme or reason to heroism, in many cases it is a spontaneous reaction to a situation which called for selflessness and sacrifice and perhaps lives were saved or a victory won. Thereafter society celebrates the actor as a hero. F. Scott Fitzgerald wrote, "Show me a hero and I'll write you a tragedy." Many of the heroes I have spoken with have discussed sleepless nights, difficulty adjusting to civilian life, vivid reenactments in the dreams when they do sleep. Yet, these people do not stop be heroes as they reach out to other current or former service members to extend a hand, give a message of hope and form a sense of fellowship. There is no end to serving one's country it just takes another form after the last salute.

The tough talk is just that...talk.

 

[syrenn]

Why is it that all liars who try and steal military valor....are always make themselves out to be rangers????

 

[Connery]

Why is it that all liars who try and steal military valor....are always make themselves out to be rangers????

If they are going to lie ....lie big...

 

[syrenn]

Why is it that all liars who try and steal military valor....are always make themselves out to be rangers????

If they are going to lie ....lie big...

it would appear so.... a major and a ranger... imagine that.

 

[Connery]

Why is it that all liars who try and steal military valor....are always make themselves out to be rangers????

If they are going to lie ....lie big...

it would appear so.... a major and a ranger... imagine that.

Knew a guy in Florida. He bragged about getting on a military installation because he had a sticker on his windshield which was a certain color reserved for officers. He claimed that he would be saluted. Every base I have been on requires a positive ID check. I asked him about that, he folded and was a laughing stock. He did not come around anymore. What a douche.