Sport and Education

[Wry Catcher]

Why should jocks be given a free ride through college while the handful of academic achievers, many of who studied the sciences and mathematics, be given little to no help with their college bills?

If the United States wants to invest in it's future it should be giving the academic achievers in science and mathematics a free ride through college.

The jocks get enough glory with their stadiums, awards, and news headlines.

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I agree, Bernie has the right idea. But, don't forget Football and Basketball bring in revenue, and more than compensate the U. when tickets are sold, concessions purchased and parking fees charged.

Only at the highest level do sports pay for themselves. Most colleges lose money on sports.

Half-true. As posted, football and basketball are revenue producers, and title 9 states:

“No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any educational program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.”
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Title 9 has leveled the playing field for those engaged in sport, but that was not the point of the OP, nor your concerns.

 

[Unkotare]

.... let's do away with all scholarships and free rides through college.....

How about NO?

Why?

As summarize your above statement 'if you don't have the skills and willpower to make it on your own then go munch on your sour grapes because you shouldn't need that kind of help no matter who you are'....

"help"? Universities don't give scholarships just to "help" athletes at the expense of non-athletes. Your comments reveal a lot about your personal limitations.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Why should jocks be given a free ride through college while the handful of academic achievers, many of who studied the sciences and mathematics, be given little to no help with their college bills?

If the United States wants to invest in it's future it should be giving the academic achievers in science and mathematics a free ride through college.

The jocks get enough glory with their stadiums, awards, and news headlines.

*****SMILE*****

I agree, Bernie has the right idea. But, don't forget Football and Basketball bring in revenue, and more than compensate the U. when tickets are sold, concessions purchased and parking fees charged.

Only at the highest level do sports pay for themselves. Most colleges lose money on sports.

Half-true. As posted, football and basketball are revenue producers, and title 9 states:

“No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any educational program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.”
​

Title 9 has leveled the playing field for those engaged in sport, but that was not the point of the OP, nor your concerns.

Then they can build their own damn stadium without expecting to raise taxes on the surrounding community.

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[Damaged Eagle]

.... let's do away with all scholarships and free rides through college.....

How about NO?

Why?

As summarize your above statement 'if you don't have the skills and willpower to make it on your own then go munch on your sour grapes because you shouldn't need that kind of help no matter who you are'....

"help"? Universities don't give scholarships just to "help" athletes at the expense of non-athletes. Your comments reveal a lot about your personal limitations.

Those athletes are free to get a part time job like most people who attend college on limited funds... or daddy and mommy can pay for their way and the athletes can all be a rich boys/girls club for those who can't deal with real life and what goes with financing your own way through college.

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[Wry Catcher]

You can be educated without sports. There is nothing bad about including sports in a child's education, and I agree with having some form of PE in public schools. Sport is not education, though.

I disagree! Sports teach teamwork & cooperation and working together with others who have different personalities, goals, skill sets and talents; planning, time management, success and failure are things needed to prepare someone to enter the adult workforce.

Sports and the arts teach discipline, and success after repeated failures, to play an instrument, draw a picture or speak, dance or sing on as stage and in front of a crowd, public speaking which creates fear in many people.

PE is different than sport, PE is, or should be, part of a broad curriculum: Health. There is more to school than reading, writing, computing and critical thinking, these are skill sets which contribute to a mentally healthy lifestyle, and PE augments what we all know, but sometimes forget or are too lazy to do. Credit to the First Lady for bringing nutrition and exercise to the table, and to the one I most recently called a curmudgeon.

I could learn teamwork and cooperation playing board games, that doesn't mean I would describe them as a form of education.

Yes, sports can educate, but this seems to be about labeling sports as something else just to try and garner respect. I see no reason to do so. Sports are sports. They can be respected on their own merits rather than trying to tie them to something like school.

Put another way, a person might have learned cooking as part of their education, but that doesn't mean I will think of cooking as a form of education.

I expanded my post to include the arts, and cooking is not simply a matter of how to boil water. In fact my only C at the U. was in a Humanities course, which included Opera, Symphonic Music, Poetry, and other crafts, none of which I had any talent in, or interest in at the time. I remember very little of the course, in fact my strongest recollection is on a very attractive redhead named Leah.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Why should jocks be given a free ride through college while the handful of academic achievers, many of who studied the sciences and mathematics, be given little to no help with their college bills?

If the United States wants to invest in it's future it should be giving the academic achievers in science and mathematics a free ride through college.

The jocks get enough glory with their stadiums, awards, and news headlines.

*****SMILE*****

I agree, Bernie has the right idea. But, don't forget Football and Basketball bring in revenue, and more than compensate the U. when tickets are sold, concessions purchased and parking fees charged.

Only at the highest level do sports pay for themselves. Most colleges lose money on sports.

Half-true. As posted, football and basketball are revenue producers, and title 9 states:

“No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any educational program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.”
​

Title 9 has leveled the playing field for those engaged in sport, but that was not the point of the OP, nor your concerns.

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Then they can build their own damn stadium without expecting to raise taxes on the surrounding community.

*****SMILE*****

I doubt bonds are passed on the community residents to build athletic fields.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Why should jocks be given a free ride through college while the handful of academic achievers, many of who studied the sciences and mathematics, be given little to no help with their college bills?

If the United States wants to invest in it's future it should be giving the academic achievers in science and mathematics a free ride through college.

The jocks get enough glory with their stadiums, awards, and news headlines.

*****SMILE*****

I agree, Bernie has the right idea. But, don't forget Football and Basketball bring in revenue, and more than compensate the U. when tickets are sold, concessions purchased and parking fees charged.

Only at the highest level do sports pay for themselves. Most colleges lose money on sports.

Half-true. As posted, football and basketball are revenue producers, and title 9 states:

“No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any educational program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.”
​

Title 9 has leveled the playing field for those engaged in sport, but that was not the point of the OP, nor your concerns.

View attachment 100114

Then they can build their own damn stadium without expecting to raise taxes on the surrounding community.

*****SMILE*****

I doubt bonds are passed on the community residents to build athletic fields.

I've known a couple of colleges that wanted the surrounding community to build them a stadium because of the supposed revenue it would bring. Iowa State wanted to upgrade their stadium a few years ago and stick the surrounding community with the bill.

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[Unkotare]

.... let's do away with all scholarships and free rides through college.....

How about NO?

Why?

As summarize your above statement 'if you don't have the skills and willpower to make it on your own then go munch on your sour grapes because you shouldn't need that kind of help no matter who you are'....

"help"? Universities don't give scholarships just to "help" athletes at the expense of non-athletes. Your comments reveal a lot about your personal limitations.

View attachment 100116

Those athletes are free to get a part time job like most people who attend college on limited funds... or daddy and mommy can pay for their way and the athletes can all be a rich boys/girls club for those who can't deal with real life and what goes with financing your own way through college.......

Again you misunderstand the issue.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

.... let's do away with all scholarships and free rides through college.....

How about NO?

Why?

As summarize your above statement 'if you don't have the skills and willpower to make it on your own then go munch on your sour grapes because you shouldn't need that kind of help no matter who you are'....

"help"? Universities don't give scholarships just to "help" athletes at the expense of non-athletes. Your comments reveal a lot about your personal limitations.

View attachment 100116

Those athletes are free to get a part time job like most people who attend college on limited funds... or daddy and mommy can pay for their way and the athletes can all be a rich boys/girls club for those who can't deal with real life and what goes with financing your own way through college.......

Again you misunderstand the issue.

I think you misunderstand...

If you think teamwork is so important that it should be given a higher priority on the who gets a free ride scale then turn every college into a military academy instead of glorifying sports because then everyone attending college will have to learn teamwork.

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[Montrovant]

....... Sports are sports. They can be respected on their own merits rather than trying to tie them to something like school....

Then you don't understand it.

Then I don't understand what?

 

[Montrovant]

... If someone already knows how to play a sport, they don't have to stop doing it, it just may not involve any sort of education any longer....

Wrong.

Are you trying to say that every time a person plays a sport they must learn something?

You certainly do like to make short declarative statements without actually explaining or backing up those statements.

 

[Montrovant]

Why should jocks be given a free ride through college while the handful of academic achievers, many of who studied the sciences and mathematics, be given little to no help with their college bills?

If the United States wants to invest in it's future it should be giving the academic achievers in science and mathematics a free ride through college.

The jocks get enough glory with their stadiums, awards, and news headlines.

*****SMILE*****

I agree, Bernie has the right idea. But, don't forget Football and Basketball bring in revenue, and more than compensate the U. when tickets are sold, concessions purchased and parking fees charged.

Only at the highest level do sports pay for themselves. Most colleges lose money on sports.

Half-true. As posted, football and basketball are revenue producers, and title 9 states:

“No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any educational program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.”
​

Title 9 has leveled the playing field for those engaged in sport, but that was not the point of the OP, nor your concerns.

I looked into this issue a bit recently. From what I read, only a few universities make much, if any, money from sports teams. Most of the schools do not, no matter the sport. I think that is the point candycorn was trying to make; that while schools like Michigan or Ohio State or Nebraska might make money from their football or basketball teams, most schools (which are not top tier sports schools) do not.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I agree, Bernie has the right idea. But, don't forget Football and Basketball bring in revenue, and more than compensate the U. when tickets are sold, concessions purchased and parking fees charged.

Only at the highest level do sports pay for themselves. Most colleges lose money on sports.

Half-true. As posted, football and basketball are revenue producers, and title 9 states:

“No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any educational program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.”
​

Title 9 has leveled the playing field for those engaged in sport, but that was not the point of the OP, nor your concerns.

View attachment 100114

Then they can build their own damn stadium without expecting to raise taxes on the surrounding community.

*****SMILE*****

I doubt bonds are passed on the community residents to build athletic fields.

View attachment 100119

I've known a couple of colleges that wanted the surrounding community to build them a stadium because of the supposed revenue it would bring. Iowa State wanted to upgrade their stadium a few years ago and stick the surrounding community with the bill.

*****SMILE*****

"If they build it, they will come"

 

[Wry Catcher]

Why should jocks be given a free ride through college while the handful of academic achievers, many of who studied the sciences and mathematics, be given little to no help with their college bills?

If the United States wants to invest in it's future it should be giving the academic achievers in science and mathematics a free ride through college.

The jocks get enough glory with their stadiums, awards, and news headlines.

*****SMILE*****

I agree, Bernie has the right idea. But, don't forget Football and Basketball bring in revenue, and more than compensate the U. when tickets are sold, concessions purchased and parking fees charged.

Only at the highest level do sports pay for themselves. Most colleges lose money on sports.

Half-true. As posted, football and basketball are revenue producers, and title 9 states:

“No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any educational program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.”
​

Title 9 has leveled the playing field for those engaged in sport, but that was not the point of the OP, nor your concerns.

I looked into this issue a bit recently. From what I read, only a few universities make much, if any, money from sports teams. Most of the schools do not, no matter the sport. I think that is the point candycorn was trying to make; that while schools like Michigan or Ohio State or Nebraska might make money from their football or basketball teams, most schools (which are not top tier sports schools) do not.

WRONG, even Texas high schools secure revenue from HS Football.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Only at the highest level do sports pay for themselves. Most colleges lose money on sports.

Half-true. As posted, football and basketball are revenue producers, and title 9 states:

“No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any educational program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.”
​

Title 9 has leveled the playing field for those engaged in sport, but that was not the point of the OP, nor your concerns.

View attachment 100114

Then they can build their own damn stadium without expecting to raise taxes on the surrounding community.

*****SMILE*****

I doubt bonds are passed on the community residents to build athletic fields.

View attachment 100119

I've known a couple of colleges that wanted the surrounding community to build them a stadium because of the supposed revenue it would bring. Iowa State wanted to upgrade their stadium a few years ago and stick the surrounding community with the bill.

*****SMILE*****

"If they build it, they will come"

I haven't been to a sports event other than little league in decades and the stadium being busy doesn't increase the sales at my business so your motto fails.

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[candycorn]

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Why should jocks be given a free ride through college while the handful of academic achievers, many of who studied the sciences and mathematics, be given little to no help with their college bills?

If the United States wants to invest in it's future it should be giving the academic achievers in science and mathematics a free ride through college.

The jocks get enough glory with their stadiums, awards, and news headlines.

.......

Let go of that bitterness before it consumes you.


Why should those high-achievers in Science get high-paying jobs after college? Why should the best musicians have successful careers in the music industry? Why should the most beautiful girls have careers in film or modeling, etc.? Because those people have unique skills in a given area. If you don't, try to gain those skills or get the **** over it. Meanwhile, those trying to gain such skills will also gain much more - and you will just sit there munching on your sour grapes.

That's fine. Then let's do away with all scholarships and free rides through college. Most especially those dealing with sports where a exceptional player can always join the pro's and make millions.

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Get rid of sports scholarships? I'm in

 

[candycorn]

Why should jocks be given a free ride through college while the handful of academic achievers, many of who studied the sciences and mathematics, be given little to no help with their college bills?

If the United States wants to invest in it's future it should be giving the academic achievers in science and mathematics a free ride through college.

The jocks get enough glory with their stadiums, awards, and news headlines.

*****SMILE*****

I agree, Bernie has the right idea. But, don't forget Football and Basketball bring in revenue, and more than compensate the U. when tickets are sold, concessions purchased and parking fees charged.

Only at the highest level do sports pay for themselves. Most colleges lose money on sports.

Half-true. As posted, football and basketball are revenue producers, and title 9 states:

“No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any educational program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.”
​

Title 9 has leveled the playing field for those engaged in sport, but that was not the point of the OP, nor your concerns.

Okay, what is the net profit for a Div I school like University of Houston in football?

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Why should jocks be given a free ride through college while the handful of academic achievers, many of who studied the sciences and mathematics, be given little to no help with their college bills?

If the United States wants to invest in it's future it should be giving the academic achievers in science and mathematics a free ride through college.

The jocks get enough glory with their stadiums, awards, and news headlines.

*****SMILE*****

Most high academic achievers do get free or nearly free college. Happy now?

 

[Montrovant]

Why should jocks be given a free ride through college while the handful of academic achievers, many of who studied the sciences and mathematics, be given little to no help with their college bills?

If the United States wants to invest in it's future it should be giving the academic achievers in science and mathematics a free ride through college.

The jocks get enough glory with their stadiums, awards, and news headlines.

*****SMILE*****

I agree, Bernie has the right idea. But, don't forget Football and Basketball bring in revenue, and more than compensate the U. when tickets are sold, concessions purchased and parking fees charged.

Only at the highest level do sports pay for themselves. Most colleges lose money on sports.

Half-true. As posted, football and basketball are revenue producers, and title 9 states:

“No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any educational program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.”
​

Title 9 has leveled the playing field for those engaged in sport, but that was not the point of the OP, nor your concerns.

I looked into this issue a bit recently. From what I read, only a few universities make much, if any, money from sports teams. Most of the schools do not, no matter the sport. I think that is the point candycorn was trying to make; that while schools like Michigan or Ohio State or Nebraska might make money from their football or basketball teams, most schools (which are not top tier sports schools) do not.

WRONG, even Texas high schools secure revenue from HS Football.

The question isn't whether they get any revenue from the sports, but whether they make profit from it. Very few colleges make much money from sports after you consider all of the costs involved. Here, let me give you a couple of links :
do colleges make a profit from sports at DuckDuckGo

I'm sorry if I was not clear that it is about colleges making a profit, rather than simply getting revenues from sports.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Why should jocks be given a free ride through college while the handful of academic achievers, many of who studied the sciences and mathematics, be given little to no help with their college bills?

If the United States wants to invest in it's future it should be giving the academic achievers in science and mathematics a free ride through college.

The jocks get enough glory with their stadiums, awards, and news headlines.

*****SMILE*****

Most high academic achievers do get free or nearly free college. Happy now?

No they don't.

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