Solution to our debt.

Cancel our debt to China as partial payment for the pandemic.

Right.... Um... Ok. Quick math. So as of July 2020, China had roughly $1 Trillion in US bonds.

The US national debt is $28 Trillion.

So, not going to solve our problem, is it?

Further, I learned back when I first moved out, that it didn't matter if I paid off a debt, if I was living in a way that racked up debt.

The only way to not have a debt problem, is to live on less than you make in income. Spend less... than you collect in income.

Similarly, as long as the US public wants to spend more than the government can collect in revenue, canceling debt will cause tons of problems, and we'll end up in debt anyway.

We need to cut spending. Cut welfare, unemployment, SNAP, housing, cut education, cut all entitlements.

If we don't do that, it doesn't matter if you cancel debt. You keep spending more than you collect, you end up with debt. That's how it works.

Lastly, the bond market is critical to borrowing money. The only reason anyone, anywhere, is willing to buy US bonds, is because they believe the US government will pay back the loan.

You cancel those bonds, and everyone everywhere in the world, will stop buying US bonds. They are not going to distinguish US bonds, from other US bonds, because they are all US bonds.

It would be like you and your neighbor both buying a health insurance policy with the same company. You find out the following week, that your neighbor got sick, and the company just decided to not honor the policy. Are you going to keep your policy with that company? Well yeah, that was him, not you... so you are safe? No, you would cancel that policy and buy from someone else.

Same thing in with bonds. No one is going to buy those bonds knowing we won't pay, if we decide to blame you for a virus.

If we can't borrow money, then Social Security or Medicare will be cut dramatically in a month.

Or... we would have to get an international bailout. Do you want to get bailed out by Europe? Because that's what happened with Greece. They went bankrupt, needed an international bailout, and suddenly you had people all over the EU, dictating Greek public policy. You want Europe or others dictating US policy, because we have to have a bailout, because we defaulted on our bonds like Greece did?

Very bad idea. Very bad. Your idea might well actually cause civil war, and a break up of the United States.

A Liberal, a conservative and an CEO walk into a room. The CEO puts 10 dollars on the table. The conservative takes 9 and gives the CEO 4 dollars back for a "political contribution" He pockets the remaining $5 telling while telling the African-American as they pick up the last dollar, "you can put the CEO's golf clubs in his truck now".

The conservative would not take $9. They would earn it. So the rest of what you said doesn't even make sense.

Conservatives, by definition, believe in value of work. It's based on the protestant work ethic.

A conservative that believes in taking what others earned.... just simply isn't a conservative.

That would be like saying "A Vegan and a Cattle rancher walk into the room. The cattle rancher puts down a hamburger and the vegan eats it and says...." If the Vegan eats the hamburger, they are not a vegan.

Similarly, if the conservative takes someone else's money... they are not conservatives. If they earn the money, or if they sell you something for the money, then you might have a point. But conservatives don't take your money. Left-wingers do. Socialists do. Government does. But not conservatives. Doesn't happen.

Did the farmers give back their billions in subsidies and bailout monies? Or is Iowa, Kansas and Nebraska full of flaming liberals?

No, of course not. If you are stupid enough to give me your money, I'll take every dollar you are dumb enough to give me. Absolutely.

However from policy perspective, conservatives are against government subsidies of any kind.

But if your side wins the day, and offers for example, universal income benefits.... yeah I'll take your tax money. I'll vote against the policy until the day I die... but if you pass that socialist policy, I will quit my job, and soak you for every dollar I can get. You give me your cash, that's on you, not me.

But to the point, I've said this for years, that we should have no farm subsidies at all. That's one of the reasons conservatives opposed the Farm bill under Bush. And we opposed it under Trump.


“My thoughts are the thoughts of farmers. They want trade, not aid. It’s really just that simple,” said Senator Ron Johnson, a Republican from Wisconsin.

That right there.... Ron Johnson's position, is the conservative position.

Go back to 2008.


A group of conservative Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives offered a mortgage insurance plan on Thursday as an alternative to the Bush administration’s $700-billion Wall Street bailout.

That right there, the private insurance model, as opposed to the tax payer funded bailout.... that is the conservative position.

We've been very consistent on this.

Yeah...your lie about conservatives wanting to "earn" money is crap...just like everything else you post.

You have the right to be wrong. Please continue.

You claimed they want to "earn" money one moment....then say they will happily keep the free socialist money from the government. You're contradicting yourself.

Yeah, the conservative positions from governmental level is, we do not believe in confiscating money from the public, and giving it out to other.

If you ask me, if I support for example, the Universal Basic Income, the answer is no.

But... if you pass that law.... if you make that the law of the land, against my position... I'll take your money.

I didn't vote for people to come confiscate your check and give it to me. You did. Not me.

I'm just taking advantage of your stupidity. You demanding the government take what you earned, and give it to people who don't work. I'll gladly take you up on that.

But even after taking your money, the next election I'll vote against UBI, because I don't believe in using government to steal other people's wealth, and giving it to people who having not earned it. But, if you win again, and keep paying higher taxes, to give me a basic income without working... I'll keep taking your money.

To me that is entirely ideologically consistent. If you want to pay higher taxes, so I can sit at home on your dime... I didn't do that. I didn't vote for that, nor did I support it, but since you put that in place, I'll soak you for every dollar you are dumb enough to give me.
 
The country is awash in wealth and cash. It's just that it's not in your hands. -Michael Moore.

Not true. The country is awash in wealth and cash, and it is in your hands.

If you earn $32K a year, which is two minimum wage employees working full time at McDonald's, you are the top 1% of wage earners in the entire world.

Husband and wife, working McDonald's, top 1% of wage earners in the world.

Michael Mooron was wrong. It is in your hands. If you live in the US, and work a full time job, you are likely very wealthy.
 
like hell you have,, everytime I give a detailed explanation why youre wrong you go off in a different direction and ignore what I said,,,

What is your question? Every time i ask you for your question you go off and start telling me I'm wrong about something?
I'm probably wrong just like you say but I should at least be able to know what I'm so wrong about?
Something to do with M. Moore?
About America? Americans? sister/wives?
I anxiously await your reply!
how do you respond to my detailed explanations on why your view of wealth is wrong???
Good question!
I don't think wealth is wrong. I'm moderately wealthy myself and I've already spilled my guts on this forum to elaborate.

Next question? But please, give it some thought and make sure it's a valid question. This one just showed that you either haven't understood what I've said, didn't read what I said, or don't believe what I said.

A couple of million bucks to my name doesn't make me rich. It just puts me on perhaps the upper end of the Canadian working class. Some areas of Canada you can't even buy a decent house for less than a million bucks!

Next question?
like hell you have,, everytime I give a detailed explanation why youre wrong you go off in a different direction and ignore what I said,,,

What is your question? Every time i ask you for your question you go off and start telling me I'm wrong about something?
I'm probably wrong just like you say but I should at least be able to know what I'm so wrong about?
Something to do with M. Moore?
About America? Americans? sister/wives?
I anxiously await your reply!
how do you respond to my detailed explanations on why your view of wealth is wrong???
Good question!
I don't think wealth is wrong. I'm moderately wealthy myself and I've already spilled my guts on this forum to elaborate.

Next question? But please, give it some thought and make sure it's a valid question. This one just showed that you either haven't understood what I've said, didn't read what I said, or don't believe what I said.

A couple of million bucks to my name doesn't make me rich. It just puts me on perhaps the upper end of the Canadian working class. Some areas of Canada you can't even buy a decent house for less than a million bucks!

Next question?

A couple of million bucks to my name doesn't make me rich? Um..... false?

Some areas of Canada you can't even buy a decent house for less than a million bucks!...

So what? Because there are expensive places to live, means that you are not wealthy when you have millions? Um... you are crazy. The one, does not contradict the other.
 
like hell you have,, everytime I give a detailed explanation why youre wrong you go off in a different direction and ignore what I said,,,

What is your question? Every time i ask you for your question you go off and start telling me I'm wrong about something?
I'm probably wrong just like you say but I should at least be able to know what I'm so wrong about?
Something to do with M. Moore?
About America? Americans? sister/wives?
I anxiously await your reply!
how do you respond to my detailed explanations on why your view of wealth is wrong???
Good question!
I don't think wealth is wrong. I'm moderately wealthy myself and I've already spilled my guts on this forum to elaborate.

Next question? But please, give it some thought and make sure it's a valid question. This one just showed that you either haven't understood what I've said, didn't read what I said, or don't believe what I said.

A couple of million bucks to my name doesn't make me rich. It just puts me on perhaps the upper end of the Canadian working class. Some areas of Canada you can't even buy a decent house for less than a million bucks!

Next question?
like hell you have,, everytime I give a detailed explanation why youre wrong you go off in a different direction and ignore what I said,,,

What is your question? Every time i ask you for your question you go off and start telling me I'm wrong about something?
I'm probably wrong just like you say but I should at least be able to know what I'm so wrong about?
Something to do with M. Moore?
About America? Americans? sister/wives?
I anxiously await your reply!
how do you respond to my detailed explanations on why your view of wealth is wrong???
Good question!
I don't think wealth is wrong. I'm moderately wealthy myself and I've already spilled my guts on this forum to elaborate.

Next question? But please, give it some thought and make sure it's a valid question. This one just showed that you either haven't understood what I've said, didn't read what I said, or don't believe what I said.

A couple of million bucks to my name doesn't make me rich. It just puts me on perhaps the upper end of the Canadian working class. Some areas of Canada you can't even buy a decent house for less than a million bucks!

Next question?

A couple of million bucks to my name doesn't make me rich? Um..... false?

Some areas of Canada you can't even buy a decent house for less than a million bucks!...

So what? Because there are expensive places to live, means that you are not wealthy when you have millions? Um... you are crazy. The one, does not contradict the other.
I would like to see him tell a poor person hes not rich,,,
 
like hell you have,, everytime I give a detailed explanation why youre wrong you go off in a different direction and ignore what I said,,,

What is your question? Every time i ask you for your question you go off and start telling me I'm wrong about something?
I'm probably wrong just like you say but I should at least be able to know what I'm so wrong about?
Something to do with M. Moore?
About America? Americans? sister/wives?
I anxiously await your reply!
how do you respond to my detailed explanations on why your view of wealth is wrong???
Good question!
I don't think wealth is wrong. I'm moderately wealthy myself and I've already spilled my guts on this forum to elaborate.

Next question? But please, give it some thought and make sure it's a valid question. This one just showed that you either haven't understood what I've said, didn't read what I said, or don't believe what I said.

A couple of million bucks to my name doesn't make me rich. It just puts me on perhaps the upper end of the Canadian working class. Some areas of Canada you can't even buy a decent house for less than a million bucks!

Next question?
like hell you have,, everytime I give a detailed explanation why youre wrong you go off in a different direction and ignore what I said,,,

What is your question? Every time i ask you for your question you go off and start telling me I'm wrong about something?
I'm probably wrong just like you say but I should at least be able to know what I'm so wrong about?
Something to do with M. Moore?
About America? Americans? sister/wives?
I anxiously await your reply!
how do you respond to my detailed explanations on why your view of wealth is wrong???
Good question!
I don't think wealth is wrong. I'm moderately wealthy myself and I've already spilled my guts on this forum to elaborate.

Next question? But please, give it some thought and make sure it's a valid question. This one just showed that you either haven't understood what I've said, didn't read what I said, or don't believe what I said.

A couple of million bucks to my name doesn't make me rich. It just puts me on perhaps the upper end of the Canadian working class. Some areas of Canada you can't even buy a decent house for less than a million bucks!

Next question?

A couple of million bucks to my name doesn't make me rich? Um..... false?

Some areas of Canada you can't even buy a decent house for less than a million bucks!...

So what? Because there are expensive places to live, means that you are not wealthy when you have millions? Um... you are crazy. The one, does not contradict the other.
I would like to see him tell a poor person hes not rich,,,

It shows you just how spoiled and stupid people in north America have become. You can literally be top 1% of the top 1%, and still be so mentally disabled to say you are not rich, and have a low enough mental capacity to believe it.
 
Cancel our debt to China as partial payment for the pandemic.

Right.... Um... Ok. Quick math. So as of July 2020, China had roughly $1 Trillion in US bonds.

The US national debt is $28 Trillion.

So, not going to solve our problem, is it?

Further, I learned back when I first moved out, that it didn't matter if I paid off a debt, if I was living in a way that racked up debt.

The only way to not have a debt problem, is to live on less than you make in income. Spend less... than you collect in income.

Similarly, as long as the US public wants to spend more than the government can collect in revenue, canceling debt will cause tons of problems, and we'll end up in debt anyway.

We need to cut spending. Cut welfare, unemployment, SNAP, housing, cut education, cut all entitlements.

If we don't do that, it doesn't matter if you cancel debt. You keep spending more than you collect, you end up with debt. That's how it works.

Lastly, the bond market is critical to borrowing money. The only reason anyone, anywhere, is willing to buy US bonds, is because they believe the US government will pay back the loan.

You cancel those bonds, and everyone everywhere in the world, will stop buying US bonds. They are not going to distinguish US bonds, from other US bonds, because they are all US bonds.

It would be like you and your neighbor both buying a health insurance policy with the same company. You find out the following week, that your neighbor got sick, and the company just decided to not honor the policy. Are you going to keep your policy with that company? Well yeah, that was him, not you... so you are safe? No, you would cancel that policy and buy from someone else.

Same thing in with bonds. No one is going to buy those bonds knowing we won't pay, if we decide to blame you for a virus.

If we can't borrow money, then Social Security or Medicare will be cut dramatically in a month.

Or... we would have to get an international bailout. Do you want to get bailed out by Europe? Because that's what happened with Greece. They went bankrupt, needed an international bailout, and suddenly you had people all over the EU, dictating Greek public policy. You want Europe or others dictating US policy, because we have to have a bailout, because we defaulted on our bonds like Greece did?

Very bad idea. Very bad. Your idea might well actually cause civil war, and a break up of the United States.

A Liberal, a conservative and an CEO walk into a room. The CEO puts 10 dollars on the table. The conservative takes 9 and gives the CEO 4 dollars back for a "political contribution" He pockets the remaining $5 telling while telling the African-American as they pick up the last dollar, "you can put the CEO's golf clubs in his truck now".

The conservative would not take $9. They would earn it. So the rest of what you said doesn't even make sense.

Conservatives, by definition, believe in value of work. It's based on the protestant work ethic.

A conservative that believes in taking what others earned.... just simply isn't a conservative.

That would be like saying "A Vegan and a Cattle rancher walk into the room. The cattle rancher puts down a hamburger and the vegan eats it and says...." If the Vegan eats the hamburger, they are not a vegan.

Similarly, if the conservative takes someone else's money... they are not conservatives. If they earn the money, or if they sell you something for the money, then you might have a point. But conservatives don't take your money. Left-wingers do. Socialists do. Government does. But not conservatives. Doesn't happen.

Did the farmers give back their billions in subsidies and bailout monies? Or is Iowa, Kansas and Nebraska full of flaming liberals?

No, of course not. If you are stupid enough to give me your money, I'll take every dollar you are dumb enough to give me. Absolutely.

However from policy perspective, conservatives are against government subsidies of any kind.

But if your side wins the day, and offers for example, universal income benefits.... yeah I'll take your tax money. I'll vote against the policy until the day I die... but if you pass that socialist policy, I will quit my job, and soak you for every dollar I can get. You give me your cash, that's on you, not me.

But to the point, I've said this for years, that we should have no farm subsidies at all. That's one of the reasons conservatives opposed the Farm bill under Bush. And we opposed it under Trump.


“My thoughts are the thoughts of farmers. They want trade, not aid. It’s really just that simple,” said Senator Ron Johnson, a Republican from Wisconsin.

That right there.... Ron Johnson's position, is the conservative position.

Go back to 2008.


A group of conservative Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives offered a mortgage insurance plan on Thursday as an alternative to the Bush administration’s $700-billion Wall Street bailout.

That right there, the private insurance model, as opposed to the tax payer funded bailout.... that is the conservative position.

We've been very consistent on this.

Yeah...your lie about conservatives wanting to "earn" money is crap...just like everything else you post.

You have the right to be wrong. Please continue.

You claimed they want to "earn" money one moment....then say they will happily keep the free socialist money from the government. You're contradicting yourself.

Yeah, the conservative positions from governmental level is, we do not believe in confiscating money from the public, and giving it out to other.

If you ask me, if I support for example, the Universal Basic Income, the answer is no.

But... if you pass that law.... if you make that the law of the land, against my position... I'll take your money.

I didn't vote for people to come confiscate your check and give it to me. You did. Not me.

I'm just taking advantage of your stupidity. You demanding the government take what you earned, and give it to people who don't work. I'll gladly take you up on that.

But even after taking your money, the next election I'll vote against UBI, because I don't believe in using government to steal other people's wealth, and giving it to people who having not earned it. But, if you win again, and keep paying higher taxes, to give me a basic income without working... I'll keep taking your money.

To me that is entirely ideologically consistent. If you want to pay higher taxes, so I can sit at home on your dime... I didn't do that. I didn't vote for that, nor did I support it, but since you put that in place, I'll soak you for every dollar you are dumb enough to give me.

Total bullshit.

First you say that conserve-hateives want to work for their money and then you say they are happy to take a hand out.

If you're a good boy, I'll buy you a mirror so you can debate yourself. Which is what you're doing right now.
 
And lower and middle class paid a larger portion of the tax burden.

High taxes results in people hiding their money

And if the rich are taxed too much, they up sticks and move country. As you say, the middle guy picks up the tab.

Exactly. We already saw this in France. It's always ironic to me, that people like Bernie will point to Europe, and then ignore all the things Europe learned, and has abandoned. Like the Universal Basic Income, that the Nordic countries quickly eliminated, and the wealth tax that had the wealthy in France ditching the country.

They point to Europe all the time, and then never learn anything from the European experience.
 
And lower and middle class paid a larger portion of the tax burden.

High taxes results in people hiding their money

And if the rich are taxed too much, they up sticks and move country. As you say, the middle guy picks up the tab.

Exactly. We already saw this in France. It's always ironic to me, that people like Bernie will point to Europe, and then ignore all the things Europe learned, and has abandoned. Like the Universal Basic Income, that the Nordic countries quickly eliminated, and the wealth tax that had the wealthy in France ditching the country.

They point to Europe all the time, and then never learn anything from the European experience.

Quite a few live abroad to avoid/lower tax


I watched a programme years ago on the TV about the time tax was so high, celebs left the country. I think that happened in the 60's/70's. (UK)

Apple already channel their money through the Carribbean to lower their tax burden.
 
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He probably did that because he was a businessman and high corporate taxes ( paid always bu consumers) It's not like high corporate taxes cause Fortune 500 CEA's to drive Chevy's or their kids to have to wait in the long line at Amusement parks. No the consumer pays them. But businesses do leave the country because of them. When he got in office he lowered those corporate taxex and started to bring manufacturing back and caused a booming economy that for once reached doen the working man, many of thos poor blacks.
LOL...

As if Trump ever needed to launch a clothing line anyway.
Bottom line. He could have hired Americans....he hired Chinese folks. He is no friend to America or it's textile workers.
You don't know that. He could have hired Americans, and had it be so expensive, that he lost money.

No one is going to do that. No one is going to hire US labor, if the cost is too high, and you don't know the numbers on that. You are making an assumption.

Which again, is why Trump was trying to change the system to make hiring US labor more profitable. But that means not being greed and envy motivated, and trying to regulate and tax the crap out of US companies. Something left does not seem to have the mental capacity to understand.

American Apparel made products in Downtown Los Angeles while Trump was having stuff made in China.


As always, your post is crap.

What are you smoking? Do you know anything at all about American Apparel?


American Apparel had not made a profit since 2009.​
The retailer said the restructuring will slash debt by $165 million (£108.4 million) to $135 million by eliminating $200 million in bonds in return for equity in the revamped company.​


Canadian clothing maker Gildan Activewear won an auction in bankruptcy court last week to buy the American Apparel brand and some manufacturing equipment for $88 million. The company will not assume American Apparel’s leases on its factories.​


Under a page headlined “Sweatshop Free Stories” on American Apparel’s website is a video profile of a young Honduran man, Heber Lopez, a garment worker at one of the factories in San Antonio, Honduras responsible for producing the retailer’s clothing.​

Candy.... That post you made, explains to me how left-wing politicians are able to dupe so many non-thinking lemmings into doing whatever they say.

You just posted a link to American Apparel, claiming they made clothing in downtown LA.

The reality is, American Apparel lost money for years on end, went bankrupt, sold off all their American factories, and all their clothing is made in Honduras and Nicaragua.

But you read a internet post, or the companies web site, that said "Ethical Sweatshop free".

Right? You just bought that, without thinking, without questioning?

You know those Trumpers that believed the election was stolen because Trump said so, without thinking, without questioning? You are no better. You are just like them. You just proved it, with that post.

Trump has filed for bankruptcy 6 times and you're in love with him....so this should make AA pretty attractive to you.

The bottom line is that Trump could have hired Americans...he hired Chinese people instead. He is no friend to the American worker.
That is the business envirnoment that corporate taxes, their holeholes and related lobbying created. Trump dropped corporate taxes ( which are always paid by the consumer) and manufacturing began to come back. Will Biden keep those taxes low? Poor people unemployment is driven by a lack of manufacturing so if he really cares there is only one choice. As for the bankrupcies, the rich and connected need to pass laws to make that kind of thing more difficult. That is super rich going bankrupt while their other business ventures are untouched.
If ALL of the corporate taxes were paid by the consumer the corporations wouldn`t be constantly whining about them would they?Manufacturing has been coming back since 2013 when fracking lowered production costs here while the cost of energy rose 138% in China. Corporate tax rates have loopholes you can drive an Amtrak engine through.
The biggest corporate tax loopholes in the US tax code (lynda.com)
Who do you think pays corporate taxes? Do you think the CEO starts eating more chicken to make their food budget go further? The whining is to obtail influence because whereever there are taxers there are loopholes which could give one corporation ( typically the bigger ones) a competitive advantage.
I don't consider fracking to be manufacturing but it did help the economy . But Biden has promised to fix that!
Agreed on the loopholes. in fact the tax code could be much, much smaller and fairer. Like 99% or more smaller. A tax rate for your income with deductions only for the cost of making a living and maybe extreme medical. That's it you pay your rate , rich or poor. We could also stop rewarding people for having kids in an over populated world. Why should the couple that chooses not to have kids may more taxes?
 
He probably did that because he was a businessman and high corporate taxes ( paid always bu consumers) It's not like high corporate taxes cause Fortune 500 CEA's to drive Chevy's or their kids to have to wait in the long line at Amusement parks. No the consumer pays them. But businesses do leave the country because of them. When he got in office he lowered those corporate taxex and started to bring manufacturing back and caused a booming economy that for once reached doen the working man, many of thos poor blacks.
LOL...

As if Trump ever needed to launch a clothing line anyway.
Bottom line. He could have hired Americans....he hired Chinese folks. He is no friend to America or it's textile workers.
You don't know that. He could have hired Americans, and had it be so expensive, that he lost money.

No one is going to do that. No one is going to hire US labor, if the cost is too high, and you don't know the numbers on that. You are making an assumption.

Which again, is why Trump was trying to change the system to make hiring US labor more profitable. But that means not being greed and envy motivated, and trying to regulate and tax the crap out of US companies. Something left does not seem to have the mental capacity to understand.

American Apparel made products in Downtown Los Angeles while Trump was having stuff made in China.


As always, your post is crap.

What are you smoking? Do you know anything at all about American Apparel?


American Apparel had not made a profit since 2009.​
The retailer said the restructuring will slash debt by $165 million (£108.4 million) to $135 million by eliminating $200 million in bonds in return for equity in the revamped company.​


Canadian clothing maker Gildan Activewear won an auction in bankruptcy court last week to buy the American Apparel brand and some manufacturing equipment for $88 million. The company will not assume American Apparel’s leases on its factories.​


Under a page headlined “Sweatshop Free Stories” on American Apparel’s website is a video profile of a young Honduran man, Heber Lopez, a garment worker at one of the factories in San Antonio, Honduras responsible for producing the retailer’s clothing.​

Candy.... That post you made, explains to me how left-wing politicians are able to dupe so many non-thinking lemmings into doing whatever they say.

You just posted a link to American Apparel, claiming they made clothing in downtown LA.

The reality is, American Apparel lost money for years on end, went bankrupt, sold off all their American factories, and all their clothing is made in Honduras and Nicaragua.

But you read a internet post, or the companies web site, that said "Ethical Sweatshop free".

Right? You just bought that, without thinking, without questioning?

You know those Trumpers that believed the election was stolen because Trump said so, without thinking, without questioning? You are no better. You are just like them. You just proved it, with that post.

Trump has filed for bankruptcy 6 times and you're in love with him....so this should make AA pretty attractive to you.

The bottom line is that Trump could have hired Americans...he hired Chinese people instead. He is no friend to the American worker.
That is the business envirnoment that corporate taxes, their holeholes and related lobbying created. Trump dropped corporate taxes ( which are always paid by the consumer) and manufacturing began to come back. Will Biden keep those taxes low? Poor people unemployment is driven by a lack of manufacturing so if he really cares there is only one choice. As for the bankrupcies, the rich and connected need to pass laws to make that kind of thing more difficult. That is super rich going bankrupt while their other business ventures are untouched.
If ALL of the corporate taxes were paid by the consumer the corporations wouldn`t be constantly whining about them would they?Manufacturing has been coming back since 2013 when fracking lowered production costs here while the cost of energy rose 138% in China. Corporate tax rates have loopholes you can drive an Amtrak engine through.
The biggest corporate tax loopholes in the US tax code (lynda.com)
Who do you think pays corporate taxes? Do you think the CEO starts eating more chicken to make their food budget go further? The whining is to obtail influence because whereever there are taxers there are loopholes which could give one corporation ( typically the bigger ones) a competitive advantage.
I don't consider fracking to be manufacturing but it did help the economy . But Biden has promised to fix that!
Agreed on the loopholes. in fact the tax code could be much, much smaller and fairer. Like 99% or more smaller. A tax rate for your income with deductions only for the cost of making a living and maybe extreme medical. That's it you pay your rate , rich or poor. We could also stop rewarding people for having kids in an over populated world. Why should the couple that chooses not to have kids may more taxes?
You`re lying about Biden and fracking. How trumpian!
 
He probably did that because he was a businessman and high corporate taxes ( paid always bu consumers) It's not like high corporate taxes cause Fortune 500 CEA's to drive Chevy's or their kids to have to wait in the long line at Amusement parks. No the consumer pays them. But businesses do leave the country because of them. When he got in office he lowered those corporate taxex and started to bring manufacturing back and caused a booming economy that for once reached doen the working man, many of thos poor blacks.
LOL...

As if Trump ever needed to launch a clothing line anyway.
Bottom line. He could have hired Americans....he hired Chinese folks. He is no friend to America or it's textile workers.
You don't know that. He could have hired Americans, and had it be so expensive, that he lost money.

No one is going to do that. No one is going to hire US labor, if the cost is too high, and you don't know the numbers on that. You are making an assumption.

Which again, is why Trump was trying to change the system to make hiring US labor more profitable. But that means not being greed and envy motivated, and trying to regulate and tax the crap out of US companies. Something left does not seem to have the mental capacity to understand.

American Apparel made products in Downtown Los Angeles while Trump was having stuff made in China.


As always, your post is crap.

What are you smoking? Do you know anything at all about American Apparel?


American Apparel had not made a profit since 2009.​
The retailer said the restructuring will slash debt by $165 million (£108.4 million) to $135 million by eliminating $200 million in bonds in return for equity in the revamped company.​


Canadian clothing maker Gildan Activewear won an auction in bankruptcy court last week to buy the American Apparel brand and some manufacturing equipment for $88 million. The company will not assume American Apparel’s leases on its factories.​


Under a page headlined “Sweatshop Free Stories” on American Apparel’s website is a video profile of a young Honduran man, Heber Lopez, a garment worker at one of the factories in San Antonio, Honduras responsible for producing the retailer’s clothing.​

Candy.... That post you made, explains to me how left-wing politicians are able to dupe so many non-thinking lemmings into doing whatever they say.

You just posted a link to American Apparel, claiming they made clothing in downtown LA.

The reality is, American Apparel lost money for years on end, went bankrupt, sold off all their American factories, and all their clothing is made in Honduras and Nicaragua.

But you read a internet post, or the companies web site, that said "Ethical Sweatshop free".

Right? You just bought that, without thinking, without questioning?

You know those Trumpers that believed the election was stolen because Trump said so, without thinking, without questioning? You are no better. You are just like them. You just proved it, with that post.

Trump has filed for bankruptcy 6 times and you're in love with him....so this should make AA pretty attractive to you.

The bottom line is that Trump could have hired Americans...he hired Chinese people instead. He is no friend to the American worker.
That is the business envirnoment that corporate taxes, their holeholes and related lobbying created. Trump dropped corporate taxes ( which are always paid by the consumer) and manufacturing began to come back. Will Biden keep those taxes low? Poor people unemployment is driven by a lack of manufacturing so if he really cares there is only one choice. As for the bankrupcies, the rich and connected need to pass laws to make that kind of thing more difficult. That is super rich going bankrupt while their other business ventures are untouched.
If ALL of the corporate taxes were paid by the consumer the corporations wouldn`t be constantly whining about them would they?Manufacturing has been coming back since 2013 when fracking lowered production costs here while the cost of energy rose 138% in China. Corporate tax rates have loopholes you can drive an Amtrak engine through.
The biggest corporate tax loopholes in the US tax code (lynda.com)
Who do you think pays corporate taxes? Do you think the CEO starts eating more chicken to make their food budget go further? The whining is to obtail influence because whereever there are taxers there are loopholes which could give one corporation ( typically the bigger ones) a competitive advantage.
I don't consider fracking to be manufacturing but it did help the economy . But Biden has promised to fix that!
Agreed on the loopholes. in fact the tax code could be much, much smaller and fairer. Like 99% or more smaller. A tax rate for your income with deductions only for the cost of making a living and maybe extreme medical. That's it you pay your rate , rich or poor. We could also stop rewarding people for having kids in an over populated world. Why should the couple that chooses not to have kids may more taxes?
You`re lying about Biden and fracking. How trumpian!
What? So that wasn't him that's trying to back down from saying he would end fracking? I'm afraid it was, he needed the eco-warrier vote so he said what he thought they wanted to hear now his supporters deny it. Hoe Biden like! LOL
 
He probably did that because he was a businessman and high corporate taxes ( paid always bu consumers) It's not like high corporate taxes cause Fortune 500 CEA's to drive Chevy's or their kids to have to wait in the long line at Amusement parks. No the consumer pays them. But businesses do leave the country because of them. When he got in office he lowered those corporate taxex and started to bring manufacturing back and caused a booming economy that for once reached doen the working man, many of thos poor blacks.
LOL...

As if Trump ever needed to launch a clothing line anyway.
Bottom line. He could have hired Americans....he hired Chinese folks. He is no friend to America or it's textile workers.
You don't know that. He could have hired Americans, and had it be so expensive, that he lost money.

No one is going to do that. No one is going to hire US labor, if the cost is too high, and you don't know the numbers on that. You are making an assumption.

Which again, is why Trump was trying to change the system to make hiring US labor more profitable. But that means not being greed and envy motivated, and trying to regulate and tax the crap out of US companies. Something left does not seem to have the mental capacity to understand.

American Apparel made products in Downtown Los Angeles while Trump was having stuff made in China.


As always, your post is crap.

What are you smoking? Do you know anything at all about American Apparel?


American Apparel had not made a profit since 2009.​
The retailer said the restructuring will slash debt by $165 million (£108.4 million) to $135 million by eliminating $200 million in bonds in return for equity in the revamped company.​


Canadian clothing maker Gildan Activewear won an auction in bankruptcy court last week to buy the American Apparel brand and some manufacturing equipment for $88 million. The company will not assume American Apparel’s leases on its factories.​


Under a page headlined “Sweatshop Free Stories” on American Apparel’s website is a video profile of a young Honduran man, Heber Lopez, a garment worker at one of the factories in San Antonio, Honduras responsible for producing the retailer’s clothing.​

Candy.... That post you made, explains to me how left-wing politicians are able to dupe so many non-thinking lemmings into doing whatever they say.

You just posted a link to American Apparel, claiming they made clothing in downtown LA.

The reality is, American Apparel lost money for years on end, went bankrupt, sold off all their American factories, and all their clothing is made in Honduras and Nicaragua.

But you read a internet post, or the companies web site, that said "Ethical Sweatshop free".

Right? You just bought that, without thinking, without questioning?

You know those Trumpers that believed the election was stolen because Trump said so, without thinking, without questioning? You are no better. You are just like them. You just proved it, with that post.

Trump has filed for bankruptcy 6 times and you're in love with him....so this should make AA pretty attractive to you.

The bottom line is that Trump could have hired Americans...he hired Chinese people instead. He is no friend to the American worker.
That is the business envirnoment that corporate taxes, their holeholes and related lobbying created. Trump dropped corporate taxes ( which are always paid by the consumer) and manufacturing began to come back. Will Biden keep those taxes low? Poor people unemployment is driven by a lack of manufacturing so if he really cares there is only one choice. As for the bankrupcies, the rich and connected need to pass laws to make that kind of thing more difficult. That is super rich going bankrupt while their other business ventures are untouched.
If ALL of the corporate taxes were paid by the consumer the corporations wouldn`t be constantly whining about them would they?Manufacturing has been coming back since 2013 when fracking lowered production costs here while the cost of energy rose 138% in China. Corporate tax rates have loopholes you can drive an Amtrak engine through.
The biggest corporate tax loopholes in the US tax code (lynda.com)
Who do you think pays corporate taxes? Do you think the CEO starts eating more chicken to make their food budget go further? The whining is to obtail influence because whereever there are taxers there are loopholes which could give one corporation ( typically the bigger ones) a competitive advantage.
I don't consider fracking to be manufacturing but it did help the economy . But Biden has promised to fix that!
Agreed on the loopholes. in fact the tax code could be much, much smaller and fairer. Like 99% or more smaller. A tax rate for your income with deductions only for the cost of making a living and maybe extreme medical. That's it you pay your rate , rich or poor. We could also stop rewarding people for having kids in an over populated world. Why should the couple that chooses not to have kids may more taxes?
You`re lying about Biden and fracking. How trumpian!
Whoops here's a clip of Biden on Fracking and sacrficing hundreds of thousands of jobs during a PBS interview. He since tried to back away from that in a CNN interview, but he does intend to end fracking and fossil fuels although his time frames changes a bit based upon the interview.




 
He probably did that because he was a businessman and high corporate taxes ( paid always bu consumers) It's not like high corporate taxes cause Fortune 500 CEA's to drive Chevy's or their kids to have to wait in the long line at Amusement parks. No the consumer pays them. But businesses do leave the country because of them. When he got in office he lowered those corporate taxex and started to bring manufacturing back and caused a booming economy that for once reached doen the working man, many of thos poor blacks.
LOL...

As if Trump ever needed to launch a clothing line anyway.
Bottom line. He could have hired Americans....he hired Chinese folks. He is no friend to America or it's textile workers.
You don't know that. He could have hired Americans, and had it be so expensive, that he lost money.

No one is going to do that. No one is going to hire US labor, if the cost is too high, and you don't know the numbers on that. You are making an assumption.

Which again, is why Trump was trying to change the system to make hiring US labor more profitable. But that means not being greed and envy motivated, and trying to regulate and tax the crap out of US companies. Something left does not seem to have the mental capacity to understand.

American Apparel made products in Downtown Los Angeles while Trump was having stuff made in China.


As always, your post is crap.

What are you smoking? Do you know anything at all about American Apparel?


American Apparel had not made a profit since 2009.​
The retailer said the restructuring will slash debt by $165 million (£108.4 million) to $135 million by eliminating $200 million in bonds in return for equity in the revamped company.​


Canadian clothing maker Gildan Activewear won an auction in bankruptcy court last week to buy the American Apparel brand and some manufacturing equipment for $88 million. The company will not assume American Apparel’s leases on its factories.​


Under a page headlined “Sweatshop Free Stories” on American Apparel’s website is a video profile of a young Honduran man, Heber Lopez, a garment worker at one of the factories in San Antonio, Honduras responsible for producing the retailer’s clothing.​

Candy.... That post you made, explains to me how left-wing politicians are able to dupe so many non-thinking lemmings into doing whatever they say.

You just posted a link to American Apparel, claiming they made clothing in downtown LA.

The reality is, American Apparel lost money for years on end, went bankrupt, sold off all their American factories, and all their clothing is made in Honduras and Nicaragua.

But you read a internet post, or the companies web site, that said "Ethical Sweatshop free".

Right? You just bought that, without thinking, without questioning?

You know those Trumpers that believed the election was stolen because Trump said so, without thinking, without questioning? You are no better. You are just like them. You just proved it, with that post.

Trump has filed for bankruptcy 6 times and you're in love with him....so this should make AA pretty attractive to you.

The bottom line is that Trump could have hired Americans...he hired Chinese people instead. He is no friend to the American worker.
That is the business envirnoment that corporate taxes, their holeholes and related lobbying created. Trump dropped corporate taxes ( which are always paid by the consumer) and manufacturing began to come back. Will Biden keep those taxes low? Poor people unemployment is driven by a lack of manufacturing so if he really cares there is only one choice. As for the bankrupcies, the rich and connected need to pass laws to make that kind of thing more difficult. That is super rich going bankrupt while their other business ventures are untouched.
If ALL of the corporate taxes were paid by the consumer the corporations wouldn`t be constantly whining about them would they?Manufacturing has been coming back since 2013 when fracking lowered production costs here while the cost of energy rose 138% in China. Corporate tax rates have loopholes you can drive an Amtrak engine through.
The biggest corporate tax loopholes in the US tax code (lynda.com)
Who do you think pays corporate taxes? Do you think the CEO starts eating more chicken to make their food budget go further? The whining is to obtail influence because whereever there are taxers there are loopholes which could give one corporation ( typically the bigger ones) a competitive advantage.
I don't consider fracking to be manufacturing but it did help the economy . But Biden has promised to fix that!
Agreed on the loopholes. in fact the tax code could be much, much smaller and fairer. Like 99% or more smaller. A tax rate for your income with deductions only for the cost of making a living and maybe extreme medical. That's it you pay your rate , rich or poor. We could also stop rewarding people for having kids in an over populated world. Why should the couple that chooses not to have kids may more taxes?
You`re lying about Biden and fracking. How trumpian!
What? So that wasn't him that's trying to back down from saying he would end fracking? I'm afraid it was, he needed the eco-warrier vote so he said what he thought they wanted to hear now his supporters deny it. Hoe Biden like! LOL
He said there would be no more fracking on federal land. I can guarantee that the gas being sucked out of the ground in my Twp. is every bit as good as gas that can be sucked out of the Allegheny National Forest or Yellowstone. Coal fired plants have been converting to gas for the last 10 years or so and they`re not going to convert back to coal. Think a little bit. Jeez you people are easily played or incredibly dumb.
 
So using a similar analagy Biden should fly commercial because he's an envirnmentalist candidate?
All the environmentist whackos use commercial jets, the problem is, the planet has idiots that believe the crap they speak. David Attenborough flew around the planet on jets with a large camera crew etc.. and he's on the climate change rhetoric band wagon.

How do people get to climate change summits? Wind powered ships??
 
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Further, I learned back when I first moved out, that it didn't matter if I paid off a debt, if I was living in a way that racked up debt.
The only way to not have a debt problem, is to live on less than you make in income. Spend less... than you collect in income.
Truth^^^
 

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