So, which British gun control law stopped this shooter from shooting up a church?

[2aguy]

Moron...our schools are safer than they have ever been........and if you asshats would stop letting violent felons out of prison, our gun crime and murder rates would go down 95%......that's on you, and your democrat party asshats...

Cruz wasn't a felon. Lanza wasn't a felon. Joker Holmes wasn't a felon.

They were mass public shooters.......how many do they kill?

2019....10 mass public shootings....73 killed......ladders kill more people as do bicycles....

The criminals that democrat party let out of prison over and over again are responsible for the other 10, 265 killed in 2018..........

Can you tell which number is bigger? Do you want to use your toes to help you count......

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

2019....10

2018... 12

2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985... not listed so probably 0

1984...2

1983...not listed so probably 0

1982...1
US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation


Rental Truck in Nice, France, 86 murdered in 5 minutes...

Total number murdered in mass public shootings by year...

Lawn mower deaths every year.... more than 75
(https://munews.missouri.edu/news-releases/2007/0419-lawn-mowers.php)
2019....73
2018.....93
2017........117
2016......71
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994....5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1986...15
1985...(none listed)
1984...28
1983 (none listed)
1982...8

Lawnmowers against guns?

Lawnmowers lose. Maybe you should introduce lawnmower driving tests and require a license to drive one.

So...doofus......beds are more dangerous than mass public shooters.....thanks for that info. We must ban beds....

Buses are more dangerous than mass public shooters....thanks for that info.......ban buses.....

 

[2aguy]

Moron...our schools are safer than they have ever been........and if you asshats would stop letting violent felons out of prison, our gun crime and murder rates would go down 95%......that's on you, and your democrat party asshats...

Cruz wasn't a felon. Lanza wasn't a felon. Joker Holmes wasn't a felon.

They were mass public shooters.......how many do they kill?

2019....10 mass public shootings....73 killed......ladders kill more people as do bicycles....

The criminals that democrat party let out of prison over and over again are responsible for the other 10, 265 killed in 2018..........

Can you tell which number is bigger? Do you want to use your toes to help you count......

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

2019....10

2018... 12

2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985... not listed so probably 0

1984...2

1983...not listed so probably 0

1982...1
US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation


Rental Truck in Nice, France, 86 murdered in 5 minutes...

Total number murdered in mass public shootings by year...

Lawn mower deaths every year.... more than 75
(https://munews.missouri.edu/news-releases/2007/0419-lawn-mowers.php)
2019....73
2018.....93
2017........117
2016......71
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994....5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1986...15
1985...(none listed)
1984...28
1983 (none listed)
1982...8

Lawnmowers against guns?

Lawnmowers lose. Maybe you should introduce lawnmower driving tests and require a license to drive one.

And your chart shows that beds, lawn mowers, and buses are deadlier than AR-15 rifles.....since beds, lawn mowers and buses kill far more people each year than AR-15 rifles do......your support for my argument is appreciated.

 

[JoeB131]

No Joe, most law enforcement people dont want Law Abiding Citizens to give up their guns, but liberals like you, want criminals to have and use them, because then you can say "see guns are the problem" , while intelligent people know that you and your immoral asswipes are the problem...Joe...

Sorry, buddy, most LEO's don't like the fact any nut they pull over for a busted tail light MIGHT have a gun.

So like the KKK, keep the guns out of the hands of people of color, so people of color cant be killed. Yep, Joe, racist extreme.

But that's the whole point, buddy. Guns in the hands of people of color kill more of them than the Klan ever could. Frankly, I couldn't think of a better scheme by the Klan than flooding the inner cities with guns. Except once in a while they shoot cops and nice white folks.

 

[JoeB131]

And your chart shows that beds, lawn mowers, and buses are deadlier than AR-15 rifles.....since beds, lawn mowers and buses kill far more people each year than AR-15 rifles do......your support for my argument is appreciated.

It shows nothing of the sort... but man, you flood the thread with pages of NRA Spooge when someone questions the slaughter, don't you?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

No Joe, most law enforcement people dont want Law Abiding Citizens to give up their guns, but liberals like you, want criminals to have and use them, because then you can say "see guns are the problem" , while intelligent people know that you and your immoral asswipes are the problem...Joe...

Sorry, buddy, most LEO's don't like the fact any nut they pull over for a busted tail light MIGHT have a gun.

So like the KKK, keep the guns out of the hands of people of color, so people of color cant be killed. Yep, Joe, racist extreme.

But that's the whole point, buddy. Guns in the hands of people of color kill more of them than the Klan ever could. Frankly, I couldn't think of a better scheme by the Klan than flooding the inner cities with guns. Except once in a while they shoot cops and nice white folks.

Where I am at, most LEO can walk up to the car not expecting to be shot. Why is it in your neighborhood JOE that LEO's think that way....Oh yeah, it is Chicago, that is why Joe, where liberalism has been in charge for 60 years. That is why JOE.

 

[JoeB131]

Where I am at, most LEO can walk up to the car not expecting to be shot. Why is it in your neighborhood JOE that LEO's think that way....Oh yeah, it is Chicago, that is why Joe, where liberalism has been in charge for 60 years. That is why JOE.

You mean places where people actually live and you don't have to date your cousin?

 

[2aguy]

Where I am at, most LEO can walk up to the car not expecting to be shot. Why is it in your neighborhood JOE that LEO's think that way....Oh yeah, it is Chicago, that is why Joe, where liberalism has been in charge for 60 years. That is why JOE.

You mean places where people actually live and you don't have to date your cousin?

Moron...we have gun crime because of the policies of the democrat party, implemented by the democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians...


Court records reveal even more men charged with murder, shootings while free on "affordable bail"

It’s been two months since Cook County Chief Judge Timothy Evans said, “it’s not by magic that we haven’t had any horrible incidents occur using this new [affordable bail] system,” during budget hearings on Nov. 4.

Since then, we’ve told you about seven different people who are currently facing murder charges for crimes that they allegedly committed while free on “affordable bail” awaiting trial for charges such as Class X felony armed violence, unlawful use of a weapon, and repeated use of a weapon by a felon.

It’s hard to fathom how Evans would conclude that those murders and shootings committed by persons on affordable bail weren’t “horrible incidents.”

Since November, our team has come across new cases in which men have been charged with killing or shooting people while on affordable bail awaiting trial for serious crimes. Here’s a look at these new “not horrible” situations:

Last February, prosecutors charged 19-year-old Armando Lopez with felony aggravated unlawful use of a weapon, felony possession of a controlled substance, and driving on a revoked license after Chicago police allegedly found a rifle in his vehicle on the 2700 block of South Kedzie. Judge David Navarro allowed Lopez to go home after posting a $500 bond.

While he was out, Lopez got another gun which he used to shoot and killed 32-year-old nurse Frank Aguilar whom he mistook for a rival gang member on Nov. 13, according to allegations in court records.

Lopez is now being held without bail.

In April 2019, prosecutors charged 24-year-old Josue Becerra with having a loaded 45-caliber handgun in his vehicle in Albany Park. Judge David Navarro released him for $200.

Then, on July 23, police were flagged down by a man who told them that three men in a red Jeep pointed a gun at him near the 4900 block of North Milwaukee. A few minutes later, officers tried to pull Becerra over as he drove a red Jeep nearby. Police say he sped away, drove in the wrong lane, and cruised onto the Kennedy Expressway before they caught up with him. He was charged with fleeing and eluding, possession of ecstasy, and multiple traffic violations.

Even though he was still on bail for the April gun violation, Judge Charles Beach let him go home by posting another $500 bond.

Finally, on Jan. 21, a couple of Chicago cops said they were doing undercover surveillance when they heard gunfire and saw Becerra run past their covert car with a gun in his hand.

Police tried to stop him, but Becerra got into a car that sped away and eventually crashed in North Center. He and the driver were immediately arrested

Horribly, the shots left a 43-year-old man in critical condition. Prosecutors charged Becerra with attempted murder, aggravated unlawful use of a weapon, aggravated battery of a police officer, and aggravated assault of a police officer. This time, he was ordered held without bail.

 

[2aguy]

They have a ban on guns.....and their criminals keep shooting up houses.....which British gun control law kept this shooter from walking into a mall, a church, a theater or a school?

Gunman opens fire in street as house riddled with bullets

So your logic is that if you can’t stop all shootings, you shouldn’t try to stop any.

No, the logic is banning guns won't stop criminals from using them.

No the logic is, banning guns makes it extremely difficult for criminals to get hold of guns. Just as yet another FYI, the UK has not banned all guns, just handguns with shorter barrel lengths, and semi-automatic rifles. We can still get shotguns, pistols and rifles.

Take a look at the guns you can legally buy in the UK

Moron.....

Police struggle to stop flood of firearms into UK


Police and border officials are struggling to stop a rising supply of illegal firearms being smuggled into Britain, a senior police chief has warned.

Chief constable Andy Cooke, the national police lead for serious and organised crime, said law enforcement had seen an increased supply of guns over the past year, and feared that it would continue in 2019

The Guardian has learned that the situation is so serious that the National Crime Agency has taken the rare step of using its legal powers to direct every single police force to step up the fight against illegal guns.

The NCA has used tasking powers to direct greater intelligence about firearms to be gathered by all 43 forces in England and Wales.

Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.

Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.

“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”

The increasing supply of guns belies problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.


Cooke said that the dynamics of the streets of British cities had changed and that criminals were more willing to use guns: “If they bring them in people will buy them. It’s a kudos thing for organised criminals.”

Simon Brough, head of firearms at the NCA, said: “The majority of guns being used are new, clean firearms ... which indicates a relatively fluid supply.”

He said shotguns were 40% of the total, with an increase in burglaries to try and steal them.

Handguns are the next biggest category, most often smuggled in from overseas, with ferry ports such as Dover being a popular entry point into the UK for organised crime groups:

“We’re doing a lot to fight back against it,” Brough said, adding that compared to other European countries, the availability in the UK was relatively lower.
==========

He said shotguns were 40% of the total, with an increase in burglaries to try and steal them.

Handguns are the next biggest category, most often smuggled in from overseas, with ferry ports such as Dover being a popular entry point into the UK for organised crime groups:

“We’re doing a lot to fight back against it,” Brough said, adding that compared to other European countries, the availability in the UK was relatively lower.

Here you go, the most important bit, although this article is 2 years old and security in Dover has improved. Shotguns haven't been banned over here and they are prime targets for theft. Restricting the number of shotguns makes it more difficult for criminals to get hold of them.

This is why we have gun crime in the United States......the democrat party policies which release violent, known, gun offenders over and over again...


Court records reveal even more men charged with murder, shootings while free on "affordable bail"

It’s been two months since Cook County Chief Judge Timothy Evans said, “it’s not by magic that we haven’t had any horrible incidents occur using this new [affordable bail] system,” during budget hearings on Nov. 4.

Since then, we’ve told you about seven different people who are currently facing murder charges for crimes that they allegedly committed while free on “affordable bail” awaiting trial for charges such as Class X felony armed violence, unlawful use of a weapon, and repeated use of a weapon by a felon.

It’s hard to fathom how Evans would conclude that those murders and shootings committed by persons on affordable bail weren’t “horrible incidents.”

Since November, our team has come across new cases in which men have been charged with killing or shooting people while on affordable bail awaiting trial for serious crimes. Here’s a look at these new “not horrible” situations:

Last February, prosecutors charged 19-year-old Armando Lopez with felony aggravated unlawful use of a weapon, felony possession of a controlled substance, and driving on a revoked license after Chicago police allegedly found a rifle in his vehicle on the 2700 block of South Kedzie. Judge David Navarro allowed Lopez to go home after posting a $500 bond.

While he was out, Lopez got another gun which he used to shoot and killed 32-year-old nurse Frank Aguilar whom he mistook for a rival gang member on Nov. 13, according to allegations in court records.

Lopez is now being held without bail.

In April 2019, prosecutors charged 24-year-old Josue Becerra with having a loaded 45-caliber handgun in his vehicle in Albany Park. Judge David Navarro released him for $200.

Then, on July 23, police were flagged down by a man who told them that three men in a red Jeep pointed a gun at him near the 4900 block of North Milwaukee. A few minutes later, officers tried to pull Becerra over as he drove a red Jeep nearby. Police say he sped away, drove in the wrong lane, and cruised onto the Kennedy Expressway before they caught up with him. He was charged with fleeing and eluding, possession of ecstasy, and multiple traffic violations.

Even though he was still on bail for the April gun violation, Judge Charles Beach let him go home by posting another $500 bond.

Finally, on Jan. 21, a couple of Chicago cops said they were doing undercover surveillance when they heard gunfire and saw Becerra run past their covert car with a gun in his hand.

Police tried to stop him, but Becerra got into a car that sped away and eventually crashed in North Center. He and the driver were immediately arrested

Horribly, the shots left a 43-year-old man in critical condition. Prosecutors charged Becerra with attempted murder, aggravated unlawful use of a weapon, aggravated battery of a police officer, and aggravated assault of a police officer. This time, he was ordered held without bail.

 

[rightwinger]

They have a ban on guns.....and their criminals keep shooting up houses.....which British gun control law kept this shooter from walking into a mall, a church, a theater or a school?

Gunman opens fire in street as house riddled with bullets

So your logic is that if you can’t stop all shootings, you shouldn’t try to stop any.

No, the logic is banning guns won't stop criminals from using them.

No law will stop all crimes. But it acts to reduce them.
We cannot ban all guns so we have to do what we can to keep them out of the hands of those who misuse them

 

[Likkmee]

Da Kweens drug laws have been equally as effective

 

[rightwinger]

Suicide doesn't count....which you have to use to get that number.....Countries with extreme gun control....Japan, China, Korea, have higher suicide rates....

Japan, et al consider Suicide to be socially acceptable.. ours doesn't.

Again, you are fine with 33,000 gun deaths a year. Sane people aren't.

There are millions of babies killed each year, not of their choice but a deranged woman's choice. You are fine with it. When you dont have sanctity of life for the babies, there is no sanctity of life later on. This is your immoral world Joe, you liberals created it, now you have to deal with it, but if you want to take our guns away, come to our door Joe and try and take them away..

So
Because we allow abortion we have to allow 30,000 gun deaths a year

 

[CWayne]

They have a ban on guns.....and their criminals keep shooting up houses.....which British gun control law kept this shooter from walking into a mall, a church, a theater or a school?

Gunman opens fire in street as house riddled with bullets

So your logic is that if you can’t stop all shootings, you shouldn’t try to stop any.

No, the logic is banning guns won't stop criminals from using them.

No law will stop all crimes. But it acts to reduce them.
We cannot ban all guns so we have to do what we can to keep them out of the hands of those who misuse them

So, how does that work? The only people who won't be able to get their hands on a gun will be those who wouldn't use a gun in a criminal way, to begin with.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Where I am at, most LEO can walk up to the car not expecting to be shot. Why is it in your neighborhood JOE that LEO's think that way....Oh yeah, it is Chicago, that is why Joe, where liberalism has been in charge for 60 years. That is why JOE.

You mean places where people actually live and you don't have to date your cousin?

Wow, you really are on fire JOE...You just cant admit that cities run by liberals tend to make people want to kill each other...Shame you never show up down in those places...if you know what I mean.. Racist dickwad...

 

[2aguy]

They have a ban on guns.....and their criminals keep shooting up houses.....which British gun control law kept this shooter from walking into a mall, a church, a theater or a school?

Gunman opens fire in street as house riddled with bullets

So your logic is that if you can’t stop all shootings, you shouldn’t try to stop any.

No, the logic is banning guns won't stop criminals from using them.

No law will stop all crimes. But it acts to reduce them.
We cannot ban all guns so we have to do what we can to keep them out of the hands of those who misuse them

Actually, no, they don't reduce them. What stops gun criminals? Locking them up for 30 years if they use a gun for a crime, and life if they fire that weapon. When democrats keep releasing them in under 3 years, they keep using illegal guns.

all of the gun control you want is directed at people who don't commit crime at all, let alone with guns. Stop the democrat party from releasing gun criminals, and you stop 95% of all gun crime.

 

[JoeB131]

Moron...we have gun crime because of the policies of the democrat party, implemented by the democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians...

Nope, we have gun crime because we have fucking guns. This isn't complicated.

Everyone else limits guns and no gun crime. Or any crime at all.

This isn't fucking complicated.

 

[JoeB131]

Wow, you really are on fire JOE...You just cant admit that cities run by liberals tend to make people want to kill each other...Shame you never show up down in those places...if you know what I mean.. Racist dickwad...

Cities just have larger concentrations of people... therefore more crime. I know math is one of those things you didn't done learn you in Home School, Cleetus.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Moron...we have gun crime because of the policies of the democrat party, implemented by the democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians...

Nope, we have gun crime because we have fucking guns. This isn't complicated.

Everyone else limits guns and no gun crime. Or any crime at all.

This isn't fucking complicated.

You're a fucking idiot. Again, the catch and release going on in this country is the whole Demoncrap agenda to get criminals to kill US citizens. I would say you should be alarmed but now I just hope one day the released perp shows up at your door. Then you can say it is the gun....Unless he uses a knife...or a hammer...or just T-bones your ass because he was a drunk illegal...

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Wow, you really are on fire JOE...You just cant admit that cities run by liberals tend to make people want to kill each other...Shame you never show up down in those places...if you know what I mean.. Racist dickwad...

Cities just have larger concentrations of people... therefore more crime. I know math is one of those things you didn't done learn you in Home School, Cleetus.

And why do cities have more concentrations of people? Welfare, most large cities have a major problem with impoverished people who have been dependent on welfare for many years, passing that legacy onto their children(some like Ben Carson's mom broke out of that) where with their poverty and misery(liberal fairness) they resort to crime and drugs. Thanks Oblummer.

 

[JoeB131]

You're a fucking idiot. Again, the catch and release going on in this country is the whole Demoncrap agenda to get criminals to kill US citizens. I would say you should be alarmed but now I just hope one day the released perp shows up at your door. Then you can say it is the gun....Unless he uses a knife...or a hammer...or just T-bones your ass because he was a drunk illegal...

Undocumented Immigrants commit LESS crime than citizens, because they don't want to get caught and sent back. But this had nothing to do with my point to Dick Tiny that easy access to guns is the root of our crime problem. It's not that we aren't locking people up. We lock up 2 million people, and we STILL have the highest crime rate in the civilized world.

MEANWHILE, countries like Germany and Japan limit who can own a gun, lock up less than 100K of their own citizens, and have negligible crime rates compared to us.

Again- this isn't complicated.

And why do cities have more concentrations of people?

Um, because that's where the jobs are? Again, you really do stumble with the whole math and logic problems, don't you buddy?

 

[JoeB131]

Welfare, most large cities have a major problem with impoverished people who have been dependent on welfare for many years, passing that legacy onto their children(some like Ben Carson's mom broke out of that) where with their poverty and misery(liberal fairness) they resort to crime and drugs. Thanks Oblummer.

First, Ben Carson's Mom didn't break out of the welfare state. Quite the contrary, the welfare state allowed her the stability to raise a kid who grew up to be a Doctor and a religious crazy.

And you can pretty much get welfare just as easily in a impoverished rural area as a big city. In fact.

https://www.quora.com/Which-U-S-state-has-the-most-welfare-recipients

• Louisiana. • Number of food stamp recipients: 868,192. ...
• Tennessee. • Number of food stamp recipients: Just over 1.28 million. ...
• Oregon. • Number of food stamp recipients: 791,222. ...
• West Virginia. • Number of food stamp recipients: 369,249. ...
• New Mexico. • Number of food stamp recipients: 448,328. ...
• Mississippi. ...
• District of Columbia.