So, which British gun control law stopped this shooter from shooting up a church?

[JoeB131]

Your sad fixation on the NRA is just one more clue you need to get real help....from a trained professional.

The sad thing is children are being slaughtered in schools, and the NRA is fine with that.

 

[2aguy]

25,000 Americans were in the Virginia capitol, with pistols and even AR-15 rifles....thousands of pistols, at least hundreds of AR-15 rifles.....an not one shot was fired....

You can't explain that.......

100 people were shot and killed that day in teh United States. And then another 100 the day after that. And the day after that. And the day after that.

210 received gun injuries that day... and the day after that..

Key Gun Violence Statistics

Suicide doesn't count....which you have to use to get that number.....Countries with extreme gun control....Japan, China, Korea, have higher suicide rates.....but you are dishonest and a liar so you have to hide that truth.....

Then this......

Fact Check, Gun Control and Suicide



There is no relation between suicide rate and gun ownership rates around the world.

According to the 2016 World Health Statistics report, (2) suicide rates in the four countries cited as having restrictive gun control laws have suicide rates that are comparable to that in the U. S.: Australia, 11.6, Canada, 11.4, France, 15.8, UK, 7.0, and USA 13.7 suicides/100,000. By comparison, Japan has among the highest suicide rates in the world, 23.1/100,000, but gun ownership is extremely rare, 0.6 guns/100 people.

Suicide is a mental health issue. If guns are not available other means are used. Poisoning, in fact, is the most common method of suicide for U. S. females according to the Washington Post (34 % of suicides), and suffocation the second most common method for males (27%).

Secondly, gun ownership rates in France and Canada are not low, as is implied in the Post article. The rate of gun ownership in the U. S. is indeed high at 88.8 guns/100 residents, but gun ownership rates are also among the world’s highest in the other countries cited. Gun ownership rates in these countries are are as follows: Australia, 15, Canada, 30.8, France, 31.2, and UK 6.2 per 100 residents. (3,4) Gun ownership rates in Saudia Arabia are comparable to that in Canada and France, with 37.8 guns per 100 Saudi residents, yet the lowest suicide rate in the world is in Saudia Arabia (0.3 suicides per 100,000).

Third, recent statistics in the state of Florida show that nearly one third of the guns used in suicides are obtained illegally, putting these firearm deaths beyond control through gun laws.(5)

Fourth, the primary factors affecting suicide rates are personal stresses, cultural, economic, religious factors and demographics. According to the WHO statistics, the highest rates of suicide in the world are in the Republic of Korea, with 36.8 suicides per 100,000, but India, Japan, Russia, and Hungary all have rates above 20 per 100,000; roughly twice as high as the U.S. and the four countries that are the basis for the Post’s calculation that gun control would reduce U.S. suicide rates by 20 to 38 percent. Lebanon, Oman, and Iraq all have suicide rates below 1.1 per 100,000 people--less than 1/10 the suicide rate in the U. S., and Afghanistan, Algeria, Jamaica, Haiti, and Egypt have low suicide rates that are below 4 per 100,000 in contrast to 13.7 suicides/100,000 in the U. S.

 

[2aguy]

25,000 Americans were in the Virginia capitol, with pistols and even AR-15 rifles....thousands of pistols, at least hundreds of AR-15 rifles.....an not one shot was fired....

You can't explain that.......

100 people were shot and killed that day in teh United States. And then another 100 the day after that. And the day after that. And the day after that.

210 received gun injuries that day... and the day after that..

Key Gun Violence Statistics

Lives saved, lives kept from rape, robbery and murder....according to the CDC AMericans use their legal guns to stop rape, robbery and murder 1.1 million times a year.....

Then....

Case Closed: Kleck Is Still Correct


that makes for at least 176,000 lives saved—less some attackers who lost their lives to defenders. This enormous benefit dwarfs, both in human and economic terms, the losses trumpeted by hoplophobes who only choose to see the risk side of the equation.




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Annual Defensive Gun Use Savings Dwarf Study's "Gun Violence" Costs - The Truth About Guns

I was going to go on and calculate the costs of incarceration ($50K/year) saved by people killing 1527 criminals annually, and then look at the lifetime cost to society of an average criminal (something in excess of $1 million). But all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.
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It’s one of the antis’ favorite tricks: cost benefit analysis omitting the benefit side of the equation. So what are the financial benefits of firearm ownership to society? Read on . . .
In my post Dennis Henigan on Chardon: Clockwork Edition, I did an analysis of how many lives were saved annually in Defensive Gun Uses (DGUs). I used extremely conservative numbers. Now I am going to use some less conservative ones.
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How can we get a dollar figure from 1.88 million defensive gun uses per year? Never fear, faithful reader, we can count on the .gov to calculate everything.
According to the AZ state government, in February of 2008 a human life was worth $6.5 million. Going to the Inflation Calculator and punching in the numbers gives us a present value of $6.93 million.
So figuring that the average DGU saves one half of a person’s life—as “gun violence” predominantly affects younger demographics—that gives us $3.465 million per half life.

Putting this all together, we find that the monetary benefit of guns (by way of DGUs) is roughly $1.02 trillion per year. That’s trillion. With a ‘T’.

I was going to go on and calculate the costs of incarceration ($50K/year) saved by people killing 1527 criminals annually, and then look at the lifetime cost to society of an average criminal (something in excess of $1 million). But all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.


When compared to the (inflation adjusted from 2002) $127.5 billion ‘cost’ of gun violence calculated by by our Ludwig-Cook buddies, guns save a little more than eight times what they “cost.”
Which, I might add, is completely irrelevant since “the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right — subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility.”
So even taking Motherboard’s own total and multiplying it by 100, the benefits to society of civilian gun ownership dwarf the associated costs.

 

[2aguy]

Your sad fixation on the NRA is just one more clue you need to get real help....from a trained professional.

The sad thing is children are being slaughtered in schools, and the NRA is fine with that.

Moron...our schools are safer than they have ever been........and if you asshats would stop letting violent felons out of prison, our gun crime and murder rates would go down 95%......that's on you, and your democrat party asshats...

 

[JoeB131]

Suicide doesn't count....which you have to use to get that number.....Countries with extreme gun control....Japan, China, Korea, have higher suicide rates....

Japan, et al consider Suicide to be socially acceptable.. ours doesn't.

Again, you are fine with 33,000 gun deaths a year. Sane people aren't.

 

[JoeB131]

Lives saved, lives kept from rape, robbery and murder....according to the CDC AMericans use their legal guns to stop rape, robbery and murder 1.1 million times a year.....

Bullshit.

Only 200 people are killed by civilians in self-defense.

That would mean that 1,999,800 cases, one of you FUCKING GUN NUTS done gets you the drop on one of them uppity coloreds, and 99.998% of the time, you don't shoot.

It's just not believable. Especially given how often you wank off every day with your snuff fantasies.

 

[JoeB131]

Moron...our schools are safer than they have ever been........and if you asshats would stop letting violent felons out of prison, our gun crime and murder rates would go down 95%......that's on you, and your democrat party asshats...

Cruz wasn't a felon. Lanza wasn't a felon. Joker Holmes wasn't a felon.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Suicide doesn't count....which you have to use to get that number.....Countries with extreme gun control....Japan, China, Korea, have higher suicide rates....

Japan, et al consider Suicide to be socially acceptable.. ours doesn't.

Again, you are fine with 33,000 gun deaths a year. Sane people aren't.

There are millions of babies killed each year, not of their choice but a deranged woman's choice. You are fine with it. When you dont have sanctity of life for the babies, there is no sanctity of life later on. This is your immoral world Joe, you liberals created it, now you have to deal with it, but if you want to take our guns away, come to our door Joe and try and take them away..

 

[Muhammed]

They have a ban on guns.....and their criminals keep shooting up houses.....which British gun control law kept this shooter from walking into a mall, a church, a theater or a school?

Gunman opens fire in street as house riddled with bullets

So your logic is that if you can’t stop all shootings, you shouldn’t try to stop any.

No logic to it. Apparently, he's just required to inform USMB every time there is a stabbing or shooting crime in the UK.

That's why you always read first before you accept the terms and conditions.

 

[Corazon]

[/QUOTE]
No, the logic is banning guns won't stop criminals from using them.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately this is the truth.
Criminals always find a way to buy (or steal) guns.
Russia, China, Italy for example have very strict gun sales law but their criminals have no problems to get all the guns they want

 

[2aguy]

Suicide doesn't count....which you have to use to get that number.....Countries with extreme gun control....Japan, China, Korea, have higher suicide rates....

Japan, et al consider Suicide to be socially acceptable.. ours doesn't.

Again, you are fine with 33,000 gun deaths a year. Sane people aren't.

Moron....it doesn't matter why they do it, you dope.........with extreme gun control in Japan...only cops and criminals get guns......they still commit suicide more than Americans do........guns aren't the issue in suicide......and that is exactly what the link to the Psychology today article points out, as they also cite other countries as well....you doofus.

Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives......and as more Americans own and carry guns our gun murder rate went down 49%...our gun crime rate went down 75%...

You can't explain that.......

The reason.....the sole reason, we have gun crime rates the level we do in democrat party controlled cities? Because of the democrat party policies that allow gun offenders out of jail on bond, often no cash bond, and out of prison on short sentences....over and over and over again......

Stop that, you doofus....and our gun crime rate goes to almost 0.

 

[2aguy]

Lives saved, lives kept from rape, robbery and murder....according to the CDC AMericans use their legal guns to stop rape, robbery and murder 1.1 million times a year.....

Bullshit.

Only 200 people are killed by civilians in self-defense.

That would mean that 1,999,800 cases, one of you FUCKING GUN NUTS done gets you the drop on one of them uppity coloreds, and 99.998% of the time, you don't shoot.

It's just not believable. Especially given how often you wank off every day with your snuff fantasies.

Moron.....you have to lie cause the facts, truth and reality don't support anything you feel about guns....

Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year according to the Centers for Disease Control....they do not kill every single rapist, robber or killer that attacks them.......because the legally armed American just wants to be left alone....so when the criminal runs away, the legally armed citizen doesn't shoot...dittos when the criminal surrenders......and even when they are shot, they don't always die, you idiot.

 

[2aguy]

Moron...our schools are safer than they have ever been........and if you asshats would stop letting violent felons out of prison, our gun crime and murder rates would go down 95%......that's on you, and your democrat party asshats...

Cruz wasn't a felon. Lanza wasn't a felon. Joker Holmes wasn't a felon.

They were mass public shooters.......how many do they kill?

2019....10 mass public shootings....73 killed......ladders kill more people as do bicycles....

The criminals that democrat party let out of prison over and over again are responsible for the other 10, 265 killed in 2018..........

Can you tell which number is bigger? Do you want to use your toes to help you count......

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

2019....10

2018... 12

2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985... not listed so probably 0

1984...2

1983...not listed so probably 0

1982...1
US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation


Rental Truck in Nice, France, 86 murdered in 5 minutes...

Total number murdered in mass public shootings by year...

Lawn mower deaths every year.... more than 75
(https://munews.missouri.edu/news-releases/2007/0419-lawn-mowers.php)
2019....73
2018.....93
2017........117
2016......71
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994....5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1986...15
1985...(none listed)
1984...28
1983 (none listed)
1982...8

 

[JoeB131]

There are millions of babies killed each year, not of their choice but a deranged woman's choice. You are fine with it.

Fetuses aren't babies. Sorry. They just aren't. Frankly, I've known a lot of women who had abortions, not a one of them was "Deranged". They made very rational choices that they weren't ready for families right now.

When you dont have sanctity of life for the babies, there is no sanctity of life later on. This is your immoral world Joe, you liberals created it, now you have to deal with it, but if you want to take our guns away, come to our door Joe and try and take them away..

So if Congress passes a gun law, and the ATF comes to your Door, you are really going to have a shootout with them.

Ask David Koresh how well that works out.

Heh, heh, heh....

 

[JoeB131]

They were mass public shooters.......how many do they kill?

2019....10 mass public shootings....73 killed......ladders kill more people as do bicycles....

Oh, look, we have the case of "That mass shooting doesn't count.. It was only darkies".

There were more mass shootings than days in 2019

There were 417 Mass shootings in 2019, more than previous years.

 

[JoeB131]

Moron....it doesn't matter why they do it, you dope.........with extreme gun control in Japan...only cops and criminals get guns......they still commit suicide more than Americans do........

Because- again, it's accepted. Ours, not so much, but guns make it easy to make a bad day worse.

Again, tired of 33,000 deaths because you have a fetish.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

There are millions of babies killed each year, not of their choice but a deranged woman's choice. You are fine with it.

Fetuses aren't babies. Sorry. They just aren't. Frankly, I've known a lot of women who had abortions, not a one of them was "Deranged". They made very rational choices that they weren't ready for families right now.

When you dont have sanctity of life for the babies, there is no sanctity of life later on. This is your immoral world Joe, you liberals created it, now you have to deal with it, but if you want to take our guns away, come to our door Joe and try and take them away..

So if Congress passes a gun law, and the ATF comes to your Door, you are really going to have a shootout with them.

Ask David Koresh how well that works out.

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Heh, heh, heh....

So, typical of a spineless liberal, you wont come to my door asking for my guns, but must sick the whole federal government on me, because I want to keep and exercise my 2nd amendment rights given to me by the constitution. Real Communistic of you Joe, you worthless faggot...yes, Joe I will have to kill many federal agents before I end up dead. But there will be others who will do the same, and if I stop them, I am coming after you and all the other Commies of America.

 

[2aguy]

They were mass public shooters.......how many do they kill?

2019....10 mass public shootings....73 killed......ladders kill more people as do bicycles....

Oh, look, we have the case of "That mass shooting doesn't count.. It was only darkies".

There were more mass shootings than days in 2019

There were 417 Mass shootings in 2019, more than previous years.

No...moron....what you can't stand is that mass public shootings are different crimes than gang members killing each other over drug turf and facebook feuds.........they have different causes and solutions....but, because the criminals that the democrats keep letting out of jail do the most killing...and the solution isn't taking guns away from normal Americans, you have to lie and mix the two crimes together.

The solution to 95% of gun crime and murder is to keep the democrat party from letting violent criminals out of jail and prison......that doesn't require any more gun laws.....yet you fight it...cause you need the death..............to push your anti-gun phobia....

 

[2aguy]

Moron....it doesn't matter why they do it, you dope.........with extreme gun control in Japan...only cops and criminals get guns......they still commit suicide more than Americans do........

Because- again, it's accepted. Ours, not so much, but guns make it easy to make a bad day worse.

Again, tired of 33,000 deaths because you have a fetish.

And you keep lying...

Fact Check, Gun Control and Suicide



There is no relation between suicide rate and gun ownership rates around the world. According to the 2016 World Health Statistics report, (2) suicide rates in the four countries cited as having restrictive gun control laws have suicide rates that are comparable to that in the U. S.: Australia, 11.6, Canada, 11.4, France, 15.8, UK, 7.0, and USA 13.7 suicides/100,000. By comparison, Japan has among the highest suicide rates in the world, 23.1/100,000, but gun ownership is extremely rare, 0.6 guns/100 people.

Suicide is a mental health issue. If guns are not available other means are used. Poisoning, in fact, is the most common method of suicide for U. S. females according to the Washington Post (34 % of suicides), and suffocation the second most common method for males (27%).

Secondly, gun ownership rates in France and Canada are not low, as is implied in the Post article. The rate of gun ownership in the U. S. is indeed high at 88.8 guns/100 residents, but gun ownership rates are also among the world’s highest in the other countries cited. Gun ownership rates in these countries are are as follows: Australia, 15, Canada, 30.8, France, 31.2, and UK 6.2 per 100 residents. (3,4) Gun ownership rates in Saudia Arabia are comparable to that in Canada and France, with 37.8 guns per 100 Saudi residents, yet the lowest suicide rate in the world is in Saudia Arabia (0.3 suicides per 100,000).

Third, recent statistics in the state of Florida show that nearly one third of the guns used in suicides are obtained illegally, putting these firearm deaths beyond control through gun laws.(5)

Fourth, the primary factors affecting suicide rates are personal stresses, cultural, economic, religious factors and demographics. According to the WHO statistics, the highest rates of suicide in the world are in the Republic of Korea, with 36.8 suicides per 100,000, but India, Japan, Russia, and Hungary all have rates above 20 per 100,000; roughly twice as high as the U.S. and the four countries that are the basis for the Post’s calculation that gun control would reduce U.S. suicide rates by 20 to 38 percent. Lebanon, Oman, and Iraq all have suicide rates below 1.1 per 100,000 people--less than 1/10 the suicide rate in the U. S., and Afghanistan, Algeria, Jamaica, Haiti, and Egypt have low suicide rates that are below 4 per 100,000 in contrast to 13.7 suicides/100,000 in the U. S.

 

[JoeB131]

So, typical of a spineless liberal, you wont come to my door asking for my guns, but must sick the whole federal government on me, because I want to keep and exercise my 2nd amendment rights given to me by the constitution. Real Communistic of you Joe, you worthless faggot...yes, Joe I will have to kill many federal agents before I end up dead. But there will be others who will do the same, and if I stop them, I am coming after you and all the other Commies of America.

You mean.. I leave law enforcement to law enforcement professionals?

Um. Yeah. So does everyone else.

I also don't go and chase people driving erratically down the street to try to pull them over.

The best argument for gun control is a five minute conversation with a gun nut wanking off about all the people he wants to murder.