Should President Obama Suspend Military Aide to Israel?

[bendog]

You don't think the Palestinian civilians are being terrorized by widespread Israeli military assaults on their homes, schools, and markets?

So if Canada were a pack of terrorists and were lobbing missiles, rockets and mortars into the US, Building tunnels and slipping into the Country kidnapping people and murdering them, all with the support of the Canadian Government and her people, you would demand the US just accept the losses? Do nothing to stop them?

Further if Canada were hiding the terrorists amongst the supportive civilian population and launching those attacks from schools hospitals and roof tops of residential buildings you would demand the US do nothing to stop them?

Really?

You respond as if there was only a choice between doing nothing and engaging in widespread death and destruction. Such is not the case, and no one is claiming that it is. There is a concept known as a proportionate response. Ask any police officer about that. He'll understand that he can't just open up his weapon on a crowd of people based on the actions of one or two individuals.

For the purpose of THIS thread...

A. Israel is engaging in activities that the US would condemn if it was another nation.

B. Israel is using weapons we have provided or helped purchase to engage in this action.

C. The US has leverage over Israel, more so than any other nation. That means we can live up to our stated standards of conduct and save lives in the balance while also promoting ourselves as honest brokers to the Palestinians.


Therefore, I contend that it is not only our moral obligation to try to put an end to these civilian atrocities, it is also in our interest to do so.

Look, with the appropriation of land and settlements, Israel is flouting the very intl law that came about BECAUSE OF THE HOLOCAUST. Chutzpha much? LOL They insult us publically. Only the Chinese spy more. I'm all for not protecting them in the UN.

But Hamas has no intention of making peace. They're terrorists. They use human shields. they know that if the IDF actually tries to go house by house to get civilians out, it'll be a bloodbath for the IDF.

Would it be better if they didn't target schools, or if they'd destroy the tunnels and call it a day? Fck yeah. Would it help us help them in get Egypt to crack down on stuff coming into Gaza? Fdc, yeah.

But if drug cartels were shooting rockets into SD from Tijuana, we'd not put up with it.

 

[Pete7469]

Hamas targets Israeli civiians. Hamas locates its military supplies in civilian areas to incresae civilian casualties. Hamas is pledged to the total destruction of Israel.
These are simply facts. Why would anyone side with Hamas over people trying to destroy them? ANyone? Bueller?

The reason bed wetters side with the palescumians is because they're part of the islamofascist jihad movement.

Just like they sided with the soviets, they hate America, and if our interests weren't behind Israel, they'd all have converted to Judaism and would be demanding we bomb gaza.

The only thing that keeps bed wetters aligned with anyone is their hatred for the US. Why else would they defend the sort of savages who oppress women, stone gays to death, enslave people, commit genocide and other brutal acts? They hate America first. Our enemies are their friends, unless it's briefly fashionable to oppose them.

Kinda like the wookie with the stupid hashtag protest against the kidnapping of those nigerian girls. Now that's no longer an issue to the left. Jihadist savages launching rockets into Tel Aviv need their support.

 

[OKTexas]

Hamas is the aggressor and terrorist group. Stop funding them.

You don't think the Palestinian civilians are being terrorized by widespread Israeli military assaults on their homes, schools, and markets?

They shouldn't be allowing Hamas to operate in their areas, then there would be no problem.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

America is considered the moral leader of the world. I won’t bother to comment on the merit of that claim (either made by us or others). But it’s a simple fact that American foreign policy often has a strong moral element to it. For example, during the cold war, we promoted policies to encourage the Soviet Union to allow the emigration of Russian Jews to Israel. Furthermore, President Carter famously elevated human rights in his dealings with other nations. In fact, I believe the US always includes restrictions on the use of military aid and the weapons we supply to allies in the sense that we won’t allow them to be used except for defensive purposes.


With that said, the IDF shelling and bombing of Gaza is arguably not about self-defense considering the nature of the assault and the civilian death toll which is completely one-sided in terms of numbers. In that regard, the numbers of seen are quite shocking. I won’t claim the number I’m providing is an official one, but what I’ve seen reported on the news is approximately 1,400 Palestinian deaths, mostly civilians, compared to 56 Israeli soldiers and 3 civilians.


The Israelis are using our military aid and weapons we supply to engage in these wholesale deaths which is the result of targeting civilian areas.

So, in the interests of human rights and the American interest of not being seen as condoning the killing of so many innocent lives, including women and children, should President Obama suspend military aid to Israel in the interest of trying to stop the killing of so many civilians?

Are you aware Hamas is putting children next to the bomb stockpiles? Seems like the deaths are the fault of Hamas not Israel.

 

[bendog]

Hamas is the aggressor and terrorist group. Stop funding them.

You don't think the Palestinian civilians are being terrorized by widespread Israeli military assaults on their homes, schools, and markets?

They shouldn't be allowing Hamas to operate in their areas, then there would be no problem.

Like they can stop them? Dude, hamas would eat your lunch too.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Hamas is the aggressor and terrorist group. Stop funding them.

You don't think the Palestinian civilians are being terrorized by widespread Israeli military assaults on their homes, schools, and markets?

Your OP is bullshit. Save it for low info piles.of shit. We know your game.

 

[Siete]

Israel isn't as innocent as they lead everyone to believe. They've broken the ceasefire dozens of times.

 

[Pete7469]

Hamas is the aggressor and terrorist group. Stop funding them.

You don't think the Palestinian civilians are being terrorized by widespread Israeli military assaults on their homes, schools, and markets?

They shouldn't be allowing Hamas to operate in their areas, then there would be no problem.

Hamas has all the guns, hard for the people to make them go away.

Problem is also the fact that they're programmed to hate the Israelis more than the people who use them as human shields.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Israel isn't as innocent as they lead everyone to believe. They've broken the ceasefire dozens of times.

Another lie from the idiot left. Israel should wipe the palestinians off the face of the earth.

 

[The Rabbi]

So if Canada were a pack of terrorists and were lobbing missiles, rockets and mortars into the US, Building tunnels and slipping into the Country kidnapping people and murdering them, all with the support of the Canadian Government and her people, you would demand the US just accept the losses? Do nothing to stop them?

Further if Canada were hiding the terrorists amongst the supportive civilian population and launching those attacks from schools hospitals and roof tops of residential buildings you would demand the US do nothing to stop them?

Really?

You respond as if there was only a choice between doing nothing and engaging in widespread death and destruction. Such is not the case, and no one is claiming that it is. There is a concept known as a proportionate response. Ask any police officer about that. He'll understand that he can't just open up his weapon on a crowd of people based on the actions of one or two individuals.

For the purpose of THIS thread...

A. Israel is engaging in activities that the US would condemn if it was another nation.

B. Israel is using weapons we have provided or helped purchase to engage in this action.

C. The US has leverage over Israel, more so than any other nation. That means we can live up to our stated standards of conduct and save lives in the balance while also promoting ourselves as honest brokers to the Palestinians.


Therefore, I contend that it is not only our moral obligation to try to put an end to these civilian atrocities, it is also in our interest to do so.

Look, with the appropriation of land and settlements, Israel is flouting the very intl law that came about BECAUSE OF THE HOLOCAUST. Chutzpha much? LOL They insult us publically. Only the Chinese spy more. I'm all for not protecting them in the UN.

But Hamas has no intention of making peace. They're terrorists. They use human shields. they know that if the IDF actually tries to go house by house to get civilians out, it'll be a bloodbath for the IDF.

Would it be better if they didn't target schools, or if they'd destroy the tunnels and call it a day? Fck yeah. Would it help us help them in get Egypt to crack down on stuff coming into Gaza? Fdc, yeah.

But if drug cartels were shooting rockets into SD from Tijuana, we'd not put up with it.

How is it chutzpah to want to build where you have land? Does the US ask the UN for permission every time some developer wants to put up a development in New Mexico?

 

[Mustang]

Hamas fires randomly aimed rockets into Israel.
Hamas hides behind women and children by placing their rocket launches in civilian areas, schools, hospitals, mosques, market areas.

Israel warns citizens of Gaza before retaliatory strikes and tells them to get out of targeted areas. Hamas forces citizens to stay in targeted areas.

The numbers will falsely indicate that Israel is targeting civilians.

Any of you people that are dumb enough to believe that Hamas is not manipulating the public outcry by deliberately putting women and children in harm's way deserve to labeled as S_T_U_P_I_D _ F_O_O_L_S!!!!!

Israel has a right to defend itself by retaliating against rocket attacks. The blame for the deaths of women and children in Gaza lies squarely on Hamas....cur dogs of the Middle East.

(For your edification: Cur dog definition, a worthless dog; mongrel.)

In 13 years, do you know how many Israeli citizens have died as a result of rocket attacks? 28. That averages out to about 2 a year.

Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This one incursion into Gaza has killed over 1,400 hundred Palestinians.

Based on that fact alone, this attack is not defensive in nature. And stating it is does not make it so if and when the evidence does not support that claim. This attack has all the earmarks of being a form of retribution that is out of all proportion to the offenses on which it is meant to avenge.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Anybody supporting Hamas and accuses Israel for killing children are no different than Nazi KU klux Klanners.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Hamas fires randomly aimed rockets into Israel.
Hamas hides behind women and children by placing their rocket launches in civilian areas, schools, hospitals, mosques, market areas.

Israel warns citizens of Gaza before retaliatory strikes and tells them to get out of targeted areas. Hamas forces citizens to stay in targeted areas.

The numbers will falsely indicate that Israel is targeting civilians.

Any of you people that are dumb enough to believe that Hamas is not manipulating the public outcry by deliberately putting women and children in harm's way deserve to labeled as S_T_U_P_I_D _ F_O_O_L_S!!!!!

Israel has a right to defend itself by retaliating against rocket attacks. The blame for the deaths of women and children in Gaza lies squarely on Hamas....cur dogs of the Middle East.

(For your edification: Cur dog definition, a worthless dog; mongrel.)

In 13 years, do you know how many Israeli citizens have died as a result of rocket attacks? 28. That averages out to about 2 a year.

Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This one incursion into Gaza has killed over 1,400 hundred Palestinians.

Based on that fact alone, this attack is not defensive in nature. And stating it is does not make it so if and when the evidence does not support that claim. This attack has all the earmarks of being a form of retribution that is out of all proportion to the offenses on which it is meant to avenge.

So you justify the satan worshipers firing missiles into Israel by how few Israelis have been killed. Yep, you are some kind of stupid. Go Israel!!!!!

 

[AmericanFirst]

Anybody supporting Hamas and accuses Israel for killing children are no different than Nazi KU klux Klanners.

Yep libtard nazi kkk idiots.

 

[The Rabbi]

Hamas fires randomly aimed rockets into Israel.
Hamas hides behind women and children by placing their rocket launches in civilian areas, schools, hospitals, mosques, market areas.

Israel warns citizens of Gaza before retaliatory strikes and tells them to get out of targeted areas. Hamas forces citizens to stay in targeted areas.

The numbers will falsely indicate that Israel is targeting civilians.

Any of you people that are dumb enough to believe that Hamas is not manipulating the public outcry by deliberately putting women and children in harm's way deserve to labeled as S_T_U_P_I_D _ F_O_O_L_S!!!!!

Israel has a right to defend itself by retaliating against rocket attacks. The blame for the deaths of women and children in Gaza lies squarely on Hamas....cur dogs of the Middle East.

(For your edification: Cur dog definition, a worthless dog; mongrel.)

In 13 years, do you know how many Israeli citizens have died as a result of rocket attacks? 28. That averages out to about 2 a year.

Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This one incursion into Gaza has killed over 1,400 hundred Palestinians.

Based on that fact alone, this attack is not defensive in nature. And stating it is does not make it so if and when the evidence does not support that claim. This attack has all the earmarks of being a form of retribution that is out of all proportion to the offenses on which it is meant to avenge.

How many dead Israelis would it take to qualify for victim status in your book?

 

[Pete7469]

Israel isn't as innocent as they lead everyone to believe. They've broken the ceasefire dozens of times.

Another lie from the idiot left. Israel should wipe the palestinians off the face of the earth.

I wouldn't go that far.

No one deserves to be wiped off the earth. Not even the libtards.

Aborted out of existence? That will work though since that's self inflicted.

 

[Mustang]

Anybody supporting Hamas and accuses Israel for killing children are no different than Nazi KU klux Klanners.

I haven't seen anyone defending Hamas. But Israel IS killing children. That's just a fact.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

That's not a fact. That's a contention.

The fact of the matter is that weapons we provided Israel are being used to engage in what amounts to essentially the indiscriminate killing of civilians not involved in the fighting. The American policy of moral engagement and our call for the respect and dignity of civilians in a war zone looks like empty rhetoric if our gov't refuses to use its influence over Israel (which IS considerable) to try to force them to stop the killing. This perceived hypocrisy can't help but breed more anti-American sentiment and possibly even terrorism directed at Americans and American economic interests both in the region and elsewhere.

That doesn't seem very smart to me.

You are a libtard, smart is not in your vocabulary. Israel is the only country we need to give money and ammo to to defeat the satan worshipers and kick them out of Israel.

Actually, Muslims revere Jesus as a prophet of God. However, the Jews (supposedly God's chosen people) reject the central Christian tenet that Jesus is the son of God. I think it's safe to say that any group that reveres Jesus as a prophet is not a Satan worshiper. But what does the New Testament say about those who reject Jesus?

Well **** Muslims. Jesse was not a prophet. He was the son of God and God himself.

 

[Peach]

No, and there is now a UN/US negotiated cease fire.

 

[Indeependent]

Did everybody suddenly forget about the tunnels?