Should President Obama Suspend Military Aide to Israel?

[Mustang]

Sure let's just stop backing our closest Aly in the middle east.... Seems legit.

Supporting an ally doesn't translate to giving them license to do anything, especially when what they're doing might very well not be in their long-term best interest.

It's called tough love.

 

[The Rabbi]

In 13 years, do you know how many Israeli citizens have died as a result of rocket attacks? 28. That averages out to about 2 a year.

Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This one incursion into Gaza has killed over 1,400 hundred Palestinians.

Based on that fact alone, this attack is not defensive in nature. And stating it is does not make it so if and when the evidence does not support that claim. This attack has all the earmarks of being a form of retribution that is out of all proportion to the offenses on which it is meant to avenge.

How many dead Israelis would it take to qualify for victim status in your book?

Using your logic (and I use the term loosely in your case) any random act of violence could be used as a justification for a conflagration against one's perceived enemies.

That's one of the reasons that the region is such a mess now. Violence begets more violence. Retribution and vengeance are all people care about. That's why this action is only going to backfire on Israel.

In fact, it's the kind of thinking that men like Osama bin Laden used to justify 9-11.

Whatever point you were trying to make died a miserable death.
Let me ask again: How many dead Israelis would qualify for victim status in your mind?

 

[The Rabbi]

I haven't seen anyone defending Hamas. But Israel IS killing children. That's just a fact.

It is not a fact. Israel is not killing children. What you post is propaganda. Learn the difference.

A picture is worth a thousand words, and the Palestinians have hundreds of pictures of dead children in the wake of the Israeli military assault.

People with small minds are easily swayed by emotional images.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

Hamas fires randomly aimed rockets into Israel.
Hamas hides behind women and children by placing their rocket launches in civilian areas, schools, hospitals, mosques, market areas.

Israel warns citizens of Gaza before retaliatory strikes and tells them to get out of targeted areas. Hamas forces citizens to stay in targeted areas.

The numbers will falsely indicate that Israel is targeting civilians.

Any of you people that are dumb enough to believe that Hamas is not manipulating the public outcry by deliberately putting women and children in harm's way deserve to labeled as S_T_U_P_I_D _ F_O_O_L_S!!!!!

Israel has a right to defend itself by retaliating against rocket attacks. The blame for the deaths of women and children in Gaza lies squarely on Hamas....cur dogs of the Middle East.

(For your edification: Cur dog definition, a worthless dog; mongrel.)

In 13 years, do you know how many Israeli citizens have died as a result of rocket attacks? 28. That averages out to about 2 a year.

Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This one incursion into Gaza has killed over 1,400 hundred Palestinians.

Based on that fact alone, this attack is not defensive in nature. And stating it is does not make it so if and when the evidence does not support that claim. This attack has all the earmarks of being a form of retribution that is out of all proportion to the offenses on which it is meant to avenge.

Only 28 Jews? Well, Hell, I guess its okay for Hamas to fire rockets into Jerusalem proper. Carry on.

 

[The Rabbi]

Hamas fires randomly aimed rockets into Israel.
Hamas hides behind women and children by placing their rocket launches in civilian areas, schools, hospitals, mosques, market areas.

Israel warns citizens of Gaza before retaliatory strikes and tells them to get out of targeted areas. Hamas forces citizens to stay in targeted areas.

The numbers will falsely indicate that Israel is targeting civilians.

Any of you people that are dumb enough to believe that Hamas is not manipulating the public outcry by deliberately putting women and children in harm's way deserve to labeled as S_T_U_P_I_D _ F_O_O_L_S!!!!!

Israel has a right to defend itself by retaliating against rocket attacks. The blame for the deaths of women and children in Gaza lies squarely on Hamas....cur dogs of the Middle East.

(For your edification: Cur dog definition, a worthless dog; mongrel.)

In 13 years, do you know how many Israeli citizens have died as a result of rocket attacks? 28. That averages out to about 2 a year.

Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This one incursion into Gaza has killed over 1,400 hundred Palestinians.

Based on that fact alone, this attack is not defensive in nature. And stating it is does not make it so if and when the evidence does not support that claim. This attack has all the earmarks of being a form of retribution that is out of all proportion to the offenses on which it is meant to avenge.

Only 28 Jews? Well, Hell, I guess its okay for Hamas to fire rickets into Jerusalem proper. Carry on.

Another 22 Jews and Hamas qualifies for the free set of orange juice glasses.

 

[Peach]

How many dead Israelis would it take to qualify for victim status in your book?

Using your logic (and I use the term loosely in your case) any random act of violence could be used as a justification for a conflagration against one's perceived enemies.

That's one of the reasons that the region is such a mess now. Violence begets more violence. Retribution and vengeance are all people care about. That's why this action is only going to backfire on Israel.

In fact, it's the kind of thinking that men like Osama bin Laden used to justify 9-11.

Whatever point you were trying to make died a miserable death.
Let me ask again: How many dead Israelis would qualify for victim status in your mind?

The answer to the question is NO. Israel must be safe for Israelis(.)

 

[TooTall]

Hamas is the aggressor and terrorist group. Stop funding them.

You don't think the Palestinian civilians are being terrorized by widespread Israeli military assaults on their homes, schools, and markets?

I am sure they are, just as the Israeli's have been terrorized by over 2000 rockets aimed at their civilian cities for several years. What's your point?

 

[shart_attack]

Poll needs an "I don't know, but I blame George W. Bush" option.

 

[The Rabbi]

Using your logic (and I use the term loosely in your case) any random act of violence could be used as a justification for a conflagration against one's perceived enemies.

That's one of the reasons that the region is such a mess now. Violence begets more violence. Retribution and vengeance are all people care about. That's why this action is only going to backfire on Israel.

In fact, it's the kind of thinking that men like Osama bin Laden used to justify 9-11.

Whatever point you were trying to make died a miserable death.
Let me ask again: How many dead Israelis would qualify for victim status in your mind?

The answer to the question is NO. Israel must be safe for Israelis(.)

Obviously. It is immaterial how many Israelis vs Palestinians died. The death toll does not make one side better than the other.
Again, Hamas targets Israeli civilians. Hamas arranges its military to target its own civilians. Hamas has sworn to wipe Israel off the map.
Why would anyone support them? Why would anyone want to see anything other result but Hamas wiped off the map?

 

[TooTall]

When the count is 1000 Palestinians dead vs 50 Israel soldiers dead.

You cant really contintue to say its just "Israel defending itself". Thats like someone kills your friend and in response you level their entire block

You f*ck with the bull, you get the horn.

 

[Peach]

Whatever point you were trying to make died a miserable death.
Let me ask again: How many dead Israelis would qualify for victim status in your mind?

The answer to the question is NO. Israel must be safe for Israelis(.)

Obviously. It is immaterial how many Israelis vs Palestinians died. The death toll does not make one side better than the other.
Again, Hamas targets Israeli civilians. Hamas arranges its military to target its own civilians. Hamas has sworn to wipe Israel off the map.
Why would anyone support them? Why would anyone want to see anything other result but Hamas wiped off the map?

There is a Holocaust denier that posts on this very board; evil remains. That is the only explanation.

 

[The Rabbi]

The answer to the question is NO. Israel must be safe for Israelis(.)

Obviously. It is immaterial how many Israelis vs Palestinians died. The death toll does not make one side better than the other.
Again, Hamas targets Israeli civilians. Hamas arranges its military to target its own civilians. Hamas has sworn to wipe Israel off the map.
Why would anyone support them? Why would anyone want to see anything other result but Hamas wiped off the map?

There is a Holocaust denier that posts on this very board; evil remains. That is the only explanation.

What do you mean one? There are like a dozen.

 

[Mustang]

Hamas fires randomly aimed rockets into Israel.
Hamas hides behind women and children by placing their rocket launches in civilian areas, schools, hospitals, mosques, market areas.

Israel warns citizens of Gaza before retaliatory strikes and tells them to get out of targeted areas. Hamas forces citizens to stay in targeted areas.

The numbers will falsely indicate that Israel is targeting civilians.

Any of you people that are dumb enough to believe that Hamas is not manipulating the public outcry by deliberately putting women and children in harm's way deserve to labeled as S_T_U_P_I_D _ F_O_O_L_S!!!!!

Israel has a right to defend itself by retaliating against rocket attacks. The blame for the deaths of women and children in Gaza lies squarely on Hamas....cur dogs of the Middle East.

(For your edification: Cur dog definition, a worthless dog; mongrel.)

In 13 years, do you know how many Israeli citizens have died as a result of rocket attacks? 28. That averages out to about 2 a year.

Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This one incursion into Gaza has killed over 1,400 hundred Palestinians.

Based on that fact alone, this attack is not defensive in nature. And stating it is does not make it so if and when the evidence does not support that claim. This attack has all the earmarks of being a form of retribution that is out of all proportion to the offenses on which it is meant to avenge.

Only 28 Jews? Well, Hell, I guess its okay for Hamas to fire rickets into Jerusalem proper. Carry on.

The point is clear even if you want to pretend it isn't. While the threat from Hamas rockets exists, it's not an existential threat that warrants an all out military assault which kills hundreds of innocent civilians and destroys thousands of homes.

 

[Peach]

Obviously. It is immaterial how many Israelis vs Palestinians died. The death toll does not make one side better than the other.
Again, Hamas targets Israeli civilians. Hamas arranges its military to target its own civilians. Hamas has sworn to wipe Israel off the map.
Why would anyone support them? Why would anyone want to see anything other result but Hamas wiped off the map?

There is a Holocaust denier that posts on this very board; evil remains. That is the only explanation.

What do you mean one? There are like a dozen.

US schools must increase teaching about the Holocaust; Holocaust denial cannot be illegal in the USA, but should students who are not taught the history go to those countries where it is a violation of law, they are at risk. The moral reason for teaching the Holocaust speaks for itself.

 

[Rocko]

When the count is 1000 Palestinians dead vs 50 Israel soldiers dead.

You cant really contintue to say its just "Israel defending itself". Thats like someone kills your friend and in response you level their entire block

Really? What exactly does the "count" have to be in order for us to say Israel isn't the aggressor?

I think you misread my post. By the numbers it seems that Israel is the aggressor

Yeah well, my point is deciding Israel is the aggressor because of the casualty numbers in a non sequitur.

 

[blackhawk]

When someone in this case Hamas is firing thousands of rocket's into your country in this case Israel and they are firing them from and hiding them in area's with large civilian populations how do you target and destroy them without killing civilians? When some can offer a solution to this I will seriously consider supporting suspending military aide to Israel not before.

 

[Rocko]

LOL looks like this poll is not going the way the OP hoped

 

[Mustang]

It is not a fact. Israel is not killing children. What you post is propaganda. Learn the difference.

A picture is worth a thousand words, and the Palestinians have hundreds of pictures of dead children in the wake of the Israeli military assault.

People with small minds are easily swayed by emotional images.

So, you're saying that the people who were moved and swayed by the emotional images of Dachau, Buchenwald, Bergen-Belsen, and Auschwitz had small minds?

 

[Mustang]

LOL looks like this poll is not going the way the OP hoped

How do you know what I hoped? I was merely curious.

 

[Rocko]

LOL looks like this poll is not going the way the OP hoped

How do you know what I hoped. I was merely curious.

um because I've discussed this with you and you made your position clear.