Should Palestine be recognized as a state?

should it be recognized?

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  • no

  • not yet

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Simple really to explain in a few words. Scenario #

1. The Zionist attack Iran alone and is crushed by Iran's military might.

2. America joins the Zionists and Russia and China get their free ticket to help destroy the Zionist regime.

3. The Zionist disobey US orders against 'nuclear' and the rest of the world goes nuclear.
 
What is the State of Palestine? Where are its borders? How is it organized? Who are its citizens? Does it recognize the State of Israel as a separate entity?

Without answers to these questions, its recognition is an empty gesture.
When has it ever existed?
 
What is the State of Palestine?
As defined by the UN.


Where are its borders?
Same.
How is it organized?
By the Brics' gaining power
Who are its citizens?

Does it recognize the State of Israel as a separate entity?
The Zionist regime's existence is threatened by Iran and their allies.
Without answers to these questions, its recognition is an empty gesture.
There are no questions that can't be answered.
 
America's attack on Iran is not coming. Not with the Zionist regime and not without it.

The opportunity has expired.
 
New debate to be added here:

Does Iran have nuclear weapons?
 
What is the State of Palestine? Where are its borders? How is it organized? Who are its citizens? Does it recognize the State of Israel as a separate entity?
Yes. Exactly this. And ... What territory does it control? Who is the government who has the capacity to enter into relationships with other States? Is it capable of upholding Article 4.1 of the UN Charter?
Without answers to these questions, its recognition is an empty gesture.
It is worse than an "empty gesture", it is the disintegration of international law and is looking very much like the dying throes of the UN.
 
As defined by the UN.





Same.

By the Brics' gaining power



The Zionist regime's existence is threatened by Iran and their allies.

There are no questions that can't be answered.
I can't wait for someone to show up and answer them, then.
 
Voted 'other.'

I don't know.


Here is what AI sez...

Was Palestine ever a country before Israel?

AI Overview


The history of Israel-Palestine before 1948 - Hey Alma

No, a sovereign, independent state of "Palestine" as it is understood today did not exist before the establishment of Israel in 1948. The territory was part of the Ottoman Empire, then a British Mandate, before being partitioned into the states of Israel and Jordan, the latter of which was created by the British from the eastern part of the Mandate. The name "Palestine" was a geographic or administrative term, not the name of a distinct, independent nation.

Historical Context:
  • Ottoman Rule:
    Before World War I, the area was part of the Ottoman Empire, with Arabs in the region referring to it as "Southern Syria" rather than Palestine.

  • British Mandate (1917-1948):
    After the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, the territory became the British Mandate for Palestine. The League of Nations and Great Britain designated this mandate, which included present-day Israel, the West Bank, and Jordan.

  • Partition and Creation of States:
    In the 1920s, the British separated the eastern portion of the Mandate to form the Kingdom of Jordan. In 1947, the United Nations proposed a partition of the remaining Mandate into an Arab and a Jewish state, which led to the declaration of the State of Israel in 1948.
The Concept of a "Palestinian State":

  • No prior state: There was no independent Palestinian state before 1948.
  • Post-1948 administration: The territories of the West Bank and Gaza, which now form part of the Palestinian territories, were administered by Jordan and Egypt respectively, from 1948 to 1967.
  • Occupied Territory: The West Bank and Gaza Strip have been under Israeli occupation since 1967.

Here is an interesting tidbit on Israel's borders...

Does Israel have country borders?

Israel has country borders, but their status varies depending on the specific border. While Israel has formal, internationally recognized peace treaties and borders with Egypt and Jordan, its borders with Lebanon, Syria, and the Palestinian territories remain disputed or based on temporary armistice agreements.
Formal peace treaties
Israel's only fully settled and mutually recognized borders are with its southern and eastern neighbors:
  • Egypt: The border was formally established by the 1979 Egypt–Israel peace treaty. It follows the international boundary from the British Mandate period, except for the Gaza Strip.
  • Jordan: The border was finalized and recognized under the 1994 Israel–Jordan peace treaty.
Disputed and unsettled borders
  • Syria: The border with Syria is a contested ceasefire line, also known as the Purple Line, resulting from the 1967 and 1973 wars. While Israel annexed the Golan Heights in 1981, this action is not recognized by the international community.
  • Lebanon: The border is generally based on the 1949 armistice line, but it is not a fully formalized, peace-treaty border and has been subject to conflict.
  • Palestinian Territories (West Bank and Gaza):Israel's borders with the Palestinian Authority are based on the 1949 armistice lines, known as the Green Line, but are not final.
    • The West Bank's final status and borders have yet to be determined by negotiations. This includes the status of Israeli settlements and East Jerusalem.
    • In Gaza, Israel unilaterally withdrew its military and settlements in 2005. While it controls the border, airspace, and shoreline, a final border has not been officially negotiated.
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These variable borders allow Israel to keep expanding to achieve their Greater Israel goal.

greater israel combo.webp
 
When the Jews finish their genocide and spread the survivors across the West there won't be any Palestinians to live in a Palestine
There was no Palestine to begin with. The land that is Israel has been conquered over 40 times. The last "owner" was the British Empire. They gave it to back to Israel, because it was theirs to give.
There was a small number of Arabs that chose to work and reside in Israel and were welcomed. Egypt told them to get out of Israel because Egypt was going to attack Israel. Israel asked them to stay. Instead, those Arabs headed for the Egyptian border. Egypt lost the war they started, and refused to let the small group in, and Israel didn't invite them back. So the squatted on the Israeli land. They did not qualify for aid because they weren't refuges. They left on their own volition, An exception had to be made in their case to keep them from starving.

Now riddle me this:
The Arab countries make up 99% of the Middle East. Israel makes up 0.1% of the Middle East landmass. Who is in a better position to accept the Muslim squatters? Do we get to force someone to give away what little land they have just because someone else wants it?????
 
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There's no debate to be had. The UN has decided and none of the naysayers have any chance of changing its decision.
 
Two-state solution or Greater Israel? I have been thinking about it... Only time will tell! :)

👉 Under Netanyahu’s current regime, the future of Israel and the broader Middle East appears increasingly aligned with the vision of "Greater Israel" rather than a two-state solution.

Greater Israel Likelihood

• Netanyahu openly supports the concept of Greater Israel, which encompasses Israeli sovereignty over the West Bank, Gaza Strip, East Jerusalem, and potentially other territories such as parts of Jordan and Egypt. This vision is deeply rooted in Netanyahu’s Likud Party ideology and Revisionist Zionism.

• Netanyahu has expressed support for a "Greater Israel" concept, which reportedly includes the territory of historic Palestine as well as large parts of surrounding Arab countries. The map associated with this vision typically covers:

- All of historic Palestine (including today’s Israel and the Palestinian territories)

- Lebanon

- Jordan

- Most of Syria

- Half of Iraq

- About one-third of Saudi Arabia

- Parts of Egypt

- Part of Kuwait

• Since 2023-2024, Netanyahu has moved towards annexing Gaza and formalizing control over West Bank settlements, indicating progress toward expanded Israeli sovereignty across these disputed areas.

• The two-state solution, long viewed internationally as the pathway to peace, now seems largely defunct from Netanyahu’s perspective and increasingly so in practice, with little hope remaining for an independent Palestinian state in the foreseeable future.

• The international community, including Arab and Muslim countries, strongly condemns Netanyahu’s Greater Israel agenda as a threat to regional security and Palestinian rights. However, Netanyahu’s alliance with the United States—particularly under President Donald Trump and his administration—has provided political backing that helps sustain his policies.

Two-State Solution Prospects

• The two-state solution has lost significant traction both politically and practically due to settlement expansions, military control, and formal annexation plans.

• While some experts and analysts believe negotiations and land swaps to preserve some form of Palestinian statehood remain theoretically possible, the current trajectory under Netanyahu’s government diminishes its likelihood.

Recent construction approvals in strategic West Bank areas like E1 further complicate prospects for Palestinian territorial continuity.

Regional and Global Implications

Netanyahu’s focus on expansion and territorial control contributes to regional tensions and conflicts, with periodic escalations involving Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, and Iran.

The lack of effective regional or global opposition to Netanyahu’s agenda (due in part to U.S. support) limits political incentives for Israel to moderate its stance.

The long-term consequences may include sustained instability, conflict, and diplomatic isolation for Israel unless there is a significant shift in leadership or international pressure.

In conclusion, under Netanyahu, the most likely future for Israel and the Middle East is one shaped by the Greater Israel vision, with diminished expectations for a two-state solution and growing complexity in regional relations and peace prospects .uwa+5

sources:

1. Is Netanyahu on a mission to realise a Greater Israel?
2. TRT World - Netanyahu vows to pursue 'historic and spiritual mission' for 'Greater Israel' plan
3. Is Benjamin Netanyahu on a mission to realise a Greater Israel?
4. Netanyahu spells out vision for “Greater Israel”
5. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/25/world/middleeast/west-bank-e1-israel.html
6. Arab, Islamic countries condemn Netanyahu’s ‘Greater Israel’ remark
7. Qatar, Jordan denounce Netanyahu as warmonger, regional threat; Indonesia says ‘Shalom’
8. Technical Difficulties
9. Greater Israel - Wikipedia
 
    • In Gaza, Israel unilaterally withdrew its military and settlements in 2005. While it controls the border, airspace, and shoreline, a final border has not been officially negotiated.
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Negotiations! That's the key to it all. Not what jesus or allah have to say about it!

It's all about who gets to sit at the table and make important decisions.

The fact is, America and the Zionists don't get to dictate the answer anymore.

Russia and China have literally turned Iran into a military superpower!!

So it can't be decided with guns and misslles unless the tiny Zionist's country wants to become a smoking wasteleand.

It needs to be said, for the sake of bringing peace to the ME.
 
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These variable borders allow Israel to keep expanding to achieve their Greater Israel goal.
No, international law does not permit Israel to keep expanding. International law and the UN Charter require member States to respect the territorial integrity of other States. The most sure way to achieve this is with a peace treaty, but until that happens the borders of the British Mandate are in effect.
 
The thing is, they’re already there and they’re not going anywhere since no one else wants them. So let them have their own damn state under the conditions that if they **** up again, and they’ll be eliminated forever.
 

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