Should Palestine be recognized as a state?

[Donald H]

Your cowardice doesn't hurt me in the slightest.
Don't pull a hamstring running away.

Don't you know yet who decides on secession?

How about on California's secession? Is that different than Texas?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Don't you know yet who decides on secession?

How about on California's secession? Is that different than Texas?

You said, "Sometimes the UN defines a border by granting the right to secede",
but you never showed a time when they did.

Were you lying? Or just stupid?

 

[Donald H]

You said, "Sometimes the UN defines a border by granting the right to secede",

So you've done a bit of research by yourself!

but you never showed a time when they did.

Were you lying? Or just stupid?

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But aside from the facts, to who does California or Texas apply to secede? Or do you think that they just go ahead and do it and tell your country to get fkd?

Did the UN act legally when it decided the borders of the Zionist state?
Or was it a lie?

 

[Shusha]

What are you trying to debate?

I'm not debating anything. I am pointing out factual errors in your posts.

There are some exceptions. Sometimes the UN defines a border by granting the right to secede.

I would suggest that you name an exception, but I'll save you the trouble because there aren't any. International law neither authorizes nor prohibits secession. It is an undeveloped area of law. International law does, however, uphold the concept of the territorial integrity of a State.

There is no international right to secede. And there are no cases of successful unilateral remedial secession. In all cases, the seceding State obtained the consent of the parent State (by treaty). Nod to Kosovo, Crimea, Quebec and noting these territories meet the criteria outlined in the Montevideo Convention (as would Texas or California). Palestine does not.

The UN does not have the capacity to create or alter borders and it has never done so. It does not have the capacity to "grant" secession and it has never done so. As the law stands now, secession requires the permission of the parent State.

There's no other authority to grant it.

The UN is not an authority with the power to grant anything. The UN is built upon the principle of member States acting independently and equally under mutual agreement (treaties).

 

[Shusha]

But aside from the facts, to who does California or Texas apply to secede?

The United States of America

Did the UN act legally when it decided the borders of the Zionist state?

The UN did not determine the borders of Israel. Israel's borders were determined by the Mandate for Palestine and by customary international law.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So you've done a bit of research by yourself!

7 Wars the United Nations Actually Stopped - Humanitarian Careers

The United Nation’s mandate is to ensure international peace and security by encouraging dialogue between nations. In fact, the UN is regularly criticised for failing to prevent conflicts and lacking the strong actions needed to stop wars. In many ways this is fair, there are many conflicts the...

humanitariancareers.com

But aside from the facts, to who does California or Texas apply to secede? Or do you think that they just go ahead and do it and tell your country to get fkd?

Did the UN act legally when it decided the borders of the Zionist state?
Or was it a lie?

Thanks for the link.
I didn't see where the "UN granted the right to secede".
Did you post the wrong link?

 

[sparky]

I voted other cuz i just can't see a solution to this M.E. sh*tshow.......

~S~

 

[Donald H]

Thanks for the link.
I didn't see where the "UN granted the right to secede".
Did you post the wrong link?

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[Toddsterpatriot]

u.n. decides secession - Search Videos

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Is there a point in that video where the UN actually "granted the right to secede"?
What's the time stamp where they prove your claim?

 

[Blaster]

There can be no Palestine.

 

[Donald H]

Is there a point in that video where the UN actually "granted the right to secede"?

The UN granted the right to secede to the Zionist regime.

What's the time stamp where they prove your claim?

The UN granting secession is mentioned 3 times. Listen and learn!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The UN granted the right to secede to the Zionist regime.

The UN granting secession is mentioned 3 times. Listen and learn!

The UN granted the right to secede to the Zionist regime.

No, they didn't.

The UN granting secession is mentioned 3 times. Listen and learn!

But they've never done it.

 

[Donald H]

The UN granted the right to secede to the Zionist regime.

No, they didn't.

Yes the UN did. It granted the Zionist regime a country out of Arab lands.

The UN granting secession is mentioned 3 times. Listen and learn!

But they've never done it.

You're not listening and learning. See above reply.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes the UN did. It granted the Zionist regime a country out of Arab lands.

You're not listening and learning. See above reply.

Yes the UN did. It granted the Zionist regime a country out of Arab lands.

secede: withdraw formally from membership of a federal union, an alliance, or a political or religious organization.

The definition doesn't fit your claim.

You're not listening and learning.

You're not providing evidence of your claim.

 

[Shusha]

The UN granted the right to secede to the Zionist regime.

The UN granting secession is mentioned 3 times. Listen and learn!

You are misunderstanding. The UN does not "grant" secession. It does not have the power to remove territory from a State and "grant" it to new entity. All the UN can do is recognize a successful and legal secession, by accepting the new entity's application for membership. Which is what the video claimed:

"The legitimacy of the secession is viewed from the prism of recognition afforded the seceding unit by all the States and the United Nations."

The video does NOT claim that the UN "grants" secession. It simply recognizes that secession has occurred. The UN did not "grant" the right for Israel to secede from the Ottoman Empire. Indeed, the creation of the new States after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire was not a secession at all, but a succession. Israel (formerly called Palestine) became a successor State in exactly the same manner as the other States (Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq) following the abandonment of territory by the Ottoman Empire.

Further, the video concludes with:

"It does seem that unilateral secession may be deemed illegal as the seceding entity fails to seek and adhere to principles that promote the stability of the whole political entity being seceded from."

The problem with recognizing Palestine's secession from Israel, aside from the fact that unilateral secession is generally considered illegal or prohibited, is that Palestine fails to meet the criteria for independence: defined territory; permanent population; effective government.

 

[Shusha]

Yes the UN did. It granted the Zionist regime a country out of Arab lands.

There is no such thing as "Arab lands" in international law.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes the UN did. It granted the Zionist regime a country out of Arab lands.

You're not listening and learning. See above reply.

Israel wasn't formed by separating or withdrawing from a larger state.