Shohei leads off with a home run and pitches 5 shutout innings. Ruth never did that.

[Oklahoma Journalist]

Harry is much more aware than you.

Aware of what? Nap time?

 

[Harry Dresden]

We’re discussing issues in drug testing, Sleeping Beauty.

and YOUR opinion about the testing is what we are talking about toodles....

 

[Oklahoma Journalist]

and YOUR opinion about the testing is what we are talking about toodles....

You didn’t even get that far. What is drug testing? Start yourself there.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Aware of what? Nap time?

you dont seem like much of a baseball fan......your drug testing knowledge is pretty out of date.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

You didn’t even get that far. What is drug testing? Start yourself there.

you mean the testing that i asked you to back up and for some strange reason you couldnt do it?....why dont you start there and back up shit you said is fact...

 

[Oklahoma Journalist]

you dont seem like much of a baseball fan......your drug testing knowledge is pretty out of date.....

Mine is out of date? You sound like a salesman for a drug testing company.

 

[Oklahoma Journalist]

you mean the testing that i asked you to back up and for some strange reason you couldnt do it?....why dont you start there and back up shit you said is fact...

Back up? You don’t even know the basics of drug testing. Why are you even discussing this?

 

[Harry Dresden]

Mine is out of date? You sound like a salesman for a drug testing company.

how come you cant back up what you said in the beginning of this discussion?....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Back up? You don’t even know the basics of drug testing. Why are you even discussing this?

back up what you said chump....

 

[Oklahoma Journalist]

how come you cant back up what you said in the beginning of this discussion?....

I did. Study it.

 

[Oklahoma Journalist]

back up what you said chump....

Back up what?

 

[Oklahoma Journalist]

Comparing a .270 lifetime hitter with Ruth. Oh, this wacky thread!

 

[Harry Dresden]

Back up what?

i just went back to look at this discussion, you havent backed up one thing you have said here and not just to me,but to the others in this thread.....have you ever even played the game or watched it?....because you sure as hell dont like to prove you have some kind of BB knowledge...

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I was not there and nobody alive was so it's now just somebody's observation
Maybe they were right, likely more wrong but that was the time

Why more likely wrong? You dont think a big strong ox like Ruth could throw 90? Every 5'9" shortstop in the minors throws 90 mph.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Other than stats, we are all giving opinions.

You put Ruth, Gehrig, Foxx, Johnson, etc, in the game now with all the advantages, they would do even better.

 

[MarathonMike]

You clearly do not understand major league dynamics or player physiology.

I understand reality. Frame by frame analysis of old time pitchers PROVED that only one or two of them threw over 90 mph. Now two or three generations later HIGH SCHOOL TEAMS have kids throwing over 90 mph. That is irrefutable evidence that old time pitchers would for the most part not even make the big leagues.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I understand reality. Frame by frame analysis of old time pitchers PROVED that only one or two of them threw over 90 mph. Now two or three generations later HIGH SCHOOL TEAMS have kids throwing over 90 mph. That is irrefutable evidence that old time pitchers would for the most part not even make the big leagues.

They didnt emphasize throwing as hard as possible, back then. So those pitchers weren't making out on nearly every outch, like today's pitchers.

 

[jacksonlamb]

I understand reality. Frame by frame analysis of old time pitchers PROVED that only one or two of them threw over 90 mph. Now two or three generations later HIGH SCHOOL TEAMS have kids throwing over 90 mph. That is irrefutable evidence that old time pitchers would for the most part not even make the big leagues.

Stop it, Mike. You veracity is questionable at best. You have never seen a frame by frame analysis of old timey pitchers.

Just let it go and run away.

 

[MarathonMike]

Stop it, Mike. You veracity is questionable at best. You have never seen a frame by frame analysis of old timey pitchers.

Just let it go and run away.

Wrong again jackson. I've seen the frame by frame analysis of Walter Johnson and his very unusual pitching motion. Here is the AI search summary that verifies it.

AI Overview

Walter Johnson’s throwing speed, analyzed through both old film and historical munitions tests, is estimated to have reached the mid-to-upper 90s (around 93–95 mph), with some physicists suggesting he could occasionally touch 100 mph. [1, 2]
Modern film and biomechanical analyses of the legendary "Big Train" have helped decode his legendary velocity: [1]

 

[jacksonlamb]

I did find this. By the by, the first measured speed gun was used on Bob Feller in 1939. He threw 97mph in that test

1900–1940 pitching velocity estimates:

Category	Estimated Velocity
Typical MLB fastball	78–86 mph
Good fastball	86–90 mph
Hardest throwers	92–96 mph
Extreme outliers (Johnson, Feller)	98–102 mph (modern equivalent)

Wrong again jackson. I've seen the frame by frame analysis of Walter Johnson and his very unusual pitching motion. Here is the AI search summary that verifies it.

AI Overview

Walter Johnson’s throwing speed, analyzed through both old film and historical munitions tests, is estimated to have reached the mid-to-upper 90s (around 93–95 mph), with some physicists suggesting he could occasionally touch 100 mph. [1, 2]
Modern film and biomechanical analyses of the legendary "Big Train" have helped decode his legendary velocity: [1]

how
Well, good on you, and shame on me for questioning you. Can you find out how fast wereSmokey Joe Wood, Babe Ruth, and Cy Young?