Serious Question for MAGA

[Mac-7]

Tell that to someone who has actually said that.

They might respond by asking you to stop calling them commies.

We'll see how that goes.

This is how Mac1958 rolls

Correll did not directly accuse our local fence jockey of being a dem

But mac1958 imagined he was being attacked and took offense on lib’s behalf

Why?

Becsuse he’s one of them but prefers to keep it a secret

 

[M14 Shooter]

Okay, so things will be better IF the Left capitulates or is beaten/eliminated.
What if that doesn't happen?

The left will resort to political violence.
Eventually that violence will find its way to areas outside the control of sympathetic Democrat police chiefs and politicians, and someone will fight back.

 

[Mac1958]

A foundational aspect of any functional society is that there is a shared sense of reality. Inevitably, when issues in need of resolving come along effective solutions require members of the society to agree on what facts represent the problem in need of attention. Failure to agree on those facts results in dysfunction.

Hence, when a large portion of Americans believe the losing candidate in a presidential election really won, believe a pathological liar "tells it like it is," believe Russia did not try to influence the outcome of the 2016 election, believe climate change is a hoax, we have the kind of dysfunction leading to our inexorable demise.

It's certainly tough to see a positive outcome when you're in uncharted territory.

Two ideologies is one thing; two realities is another.

 

[Woodznutz]

"All politics is local" it is said. So, how is your city being managed. Mine is rampant with black crime, mainly shootings.

 

[Correll]

Tell that to someone who has actually said that.

They might respond by asking you to stop calling them commies.

We'll see how that goes.

You could have said something like ,

"While I don;'t engage in that behavior, your point is valid. We on the left do need to stop doing that. And yes, those that call "nazis" are indeed, being very divisive.


That seems to be the moderate, above it all, clear headed, POV that you are trying to represent as.


But you refused to give any admission of common ground....


Am I misunderstanding your position?

 

[Mac1958]

You could have said something like ,

"While I don;'t engage in that behavior, your point is valid. We on the left do need to stop doing that. And yes, those that call "nazis" are indeed, being very divisive.


That seems to be the moderate, above it all, clear headed, POV that you are trying to represent as.


But you refused to give any admission of common ground....


Am I misunderstanding your position?

I've long since given up on USMB as anything more than a place to observe.

I'm mostly reading the responses to my question. That's enough for me.

I apologize for responding.

 

[berg80]

It's certainly tough to see a positive outcome when you're in uncharted territory.

Two ideologies is one thing; two realities is another.

Yup. We survived, if not thrived, for centuries with two dominant political philosophies. Though historically they were not as disparate as they are now.

Two realities presents an insurmountable challenge. Effective policies can't be enacted, compromise can't be reached, if we can't agree white isn't black.

 

[Correll]

I've long since given up on USMB as anything more than a place to observe.

I'm mostly reading the responses to my question. That's enough for me.

I apologize for responding.

And instead of giving an admission of common ground, you turn the snark up to eleven.


So much for healing.


This is the reality of the political landscape. The left is out to destroy us. We have to show no mercy, for generations.

 

[Mashmont]

Americans’ Deepening Mistrust of Institutions

I want to keep this question as straightforward and benign as I can.

I think we can all agree that MAGA, in general, has a lower level of trust in America's institutions, such as the press, the courts, the government, regulatory bodies and statistical reporting. Let me know if you disagree.

MAGA doesn't trust anything the Marxist left controls. When normal people control the above-mentioned institutions, MAGA will trust them again. We are starting to trust SCOTUS more now the crazies are in the minority.

Based on that, we're seeing a general divergence in America's ability to look at a number or a result or a "fact" and agree on what it is. I'm actually not sure if MAGA considers that to be a good thing or a bad thing, so please comment on that.

It's better when you can trust institutions. The only remedy for that is to get rid of the leftwing deep-staters controlling them. Then people will trust again.

So, my question(s): What is your long-term opinion of how our society and civilization look like as this continues? What do you suppose happens as the gulf between basic perceptions widens? Is that where you see a literal split in the country, away from 50 states, and is that your goal?

The obvious goal is to get rid of the Marxist bastards currently ruining these institutions.

 

[Correll]

Yup. We survived, if not thrived, for centuries with two dominant political philosophies. Though historically they were not as disparate as they are now.

Two realities presents an insurmountable challenge. Effective policies can't be enacted, compromise can't be reached, if we can't agree white isn't black.

The status qou "Belief" is that it is possible to discriminate in favor of blacks, without discriminating against whites.

That is clearly...retarded, yet it has been the basis of national policy and law and pratice for several generations.


MAGA is a challenge to that.

For one limited example.


To address your poitn about "White isn't black".

 

[Votto]

I think Covid had a great deal to do with the advent of this distrust of America's institutions as well.

The pandemic was politicized, no one can deny that. Both sides see that it was, but this politicization was the beginning of the end for trust for Americans because it was during the most vulnerable period of their existence. And as we all know, once politics enters the picture lies fly around nonstop. It is the only possible outcome.

In fact, I remember when Trump tried to push the vaccines through before the election he lost to Biden. During his debate with Biden, I remember Trump saying that vaccines were just around the corner as Biden just shook his head in disbelief saying he was lying. And I even remember Kamala Harris saying that if Trump's vaccine did come out, she would not take the jab because he was behind it. And then days after the election results that showed Biden beat Trump, the vaccine came out like Trump had promised, only, Democrats lined up in droves to take the jab, including Biden himself saying that the entire Pandemic was Trump's fault and he was here to save the day with the vaccine. In fact, all those deaths from Covid was because of Trump we were told by the media and political figures.

But then enters Fauci. At first, Democrats denounced Trump for stopping flights from China to the US saying that Covid was no real problem and the only reason he did it was because he was xenophobic. In fact, I remember Nancy Pelosi dancing around Chinatown in San Fran telling people not to worry about going out into public and to enjoy their lives. Then about a week later, they talked about shutdowns and limiting people ability to work. Then Fauci comes in and tells people that masks are not needed, in fact, it may make things worse. But later he changes his tune and says that they should mandate masks. When asked why the change, he said he had lied the first time in order to limit the stampede of people trying to buy such masks which would take them away from medical professionals that needed them in hospitals. Well, lying generally is not a good thing to do to get people to trust you, especially when you admit to it. Then Fauci came out and told people to double mask. LOL. Then they start making rules like the 6 foot rule that later was determined to be baseless scientifically. Oh, and the masks most people wore were cloth, something any medical professional will tell you is 100% useless and does NOTHING to prevent the spread of a virus. But they were treated by the Left as complying with the mask mandate as they prevented others without masks to move about the rest of society. Surgical masks provided some coverage, which most in society did not have because they could not afford, but medical professionals used other masks that no one had that protected them the most from the virus. Again, none of this was discussed truthfully to the American people. What makes me physically ill though, is that to this day I see people out in public with a cloth mask. I just want to shake them and try to take them to some sort of cult detox center to set them free with the truth. I even heard of one poor soul who was such a mask cultist that he refused to take the mask off at home, thus ending his 10 year marriage to his wife.

And then came the side effects from the jab. The bad side effects ranged from mild to severe to death itself. However, those that had a loved one suffer or die from the jab were immediately censored on social media, and the government told them behind the scenes to do so in order to promote people taking the jab. Imagine for a second that your loved one was told to take the jab or lose their job. So, they took the jab as they lost their life, or worse suffering like endocarditis many young men were suffering from, and there is no legal compensation for the government manipulating them to do so as it cost them their life. Then to add insult to injury, you are censored on social media so you can't tell a soul about it, or if you do, you are immediately labeled anti science and a MAGA fruitcake. Or worse, you have a loved one dying in a hospital room with Covid and you deny them the right to see their loved ones.

Really?

In my opinion, unless we see some accountability from this Covid circus trust will continue to wane from these institutions that put society through a living hell.

The devastation from all this is astounding. I once read an article before the Covid pandemic that said that a one percent drop in unemployment causes about 10,000 deaths, all from such things as heart attacks, alcoholism, drug abuse, or just poor living standards, etc. However, Covid mandated such unemployment in many cases as government forced businesses to shut down, and all without compensation. How many died because of that? The media never asked the question or gave a damn. Of course, the entire world was doing this, EXCEPT SWEDEN WHO DID JUST FINE THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!, as the entire world economy then suffered from inflation as a result that we are still feeling today. Again, no acknowledgement about any of this from the media or even our political leaders on either side of the isle.

No accountability .

 

[Mac-7]

You could have said something like ,

"While I don;'t engage in that behavior, your point is valid. We on the left do need to stop doing that. And yes, those that call "nazis" are indeed, being very divisive.


That seems to be the moderate, above it all, clear headed, POV that you are trying to represent as.


But you refused to give any admission of common ground....


Am I misunderstanding your position?

Mac1958 is loath to criticize his fellow travelers on the left

So his response to you was oblique at best

He only directly criticizes conservatives and MAGAs

 

[M14 Shooter]

The status qou "Belief" is that it is possible to discriminate in favor of blacks, without discriminating against whites.
That is clearly...retarded, yet it has been the basis of national policy and law and pratice for several generations.
MAGA is a challenge to that.

The left sees this challenge as a serious threat to their base of political power - and rightly so.
As such, they will fight it tooth fang and claw.
Eventually, they will revert to violence.

 

[Mashmont]

If only there were some "facts" that leftists refuse to accept that we could use to pose the same question another way.

Exactly. Here are a few indisputable scientific facts the left refuses to accept:
1) Life begins at conception.
2) Sex is determined at birth and can't be changed.
3) Global warming/cooling cannot be predicted because we have no idea where earth is in the warming/cooling cycle.

Other indisputable facts:
4) Marxism has failed wherever it has been tried.
5) The private sector is always better than the public sector in achieving more for less.

 

[gipper]

Otoh Israel haters are cast in stone themselves

They blame Israel for the violence in Gaza when its the Pals who are at fault

Lol. This from a Fox News dupe who supports mass murder of women and children.

 

[Mac-7]

Lol. This from a Fox News dupe who supports mass murder of women and children.

There is no mass murder in Gaza

Thats a Pal lie

 

[Correll]

Mac1958 is loath to criticize his fellow travelers on the left

So his response to you was oblique at best

He only directly criticizes conservatives and MAGAs

Agreed. And that's a major problem when we want to discuss any national healing of the divide.

 

[Correll]

Mac1958 is loath to criticize his fellow travelers on the left

So his response to you was oblique at best

He only directly criticizes conservatives and MAGAs

Agreed. And that's a serious problem when we discuss how to heal this national divide.

Mac knows that calling someone a nazis is divisive. Yet, he can't give an inch.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

PPI is up three times what it was predicated: .9 to .3.

MAGA will say let's wait until it is downgrade.

MAGAs and Cons should be criticized and often.

 

[Mac-7]

Agreed. And that's a major problem when we want to discuss any national healing of the divide.

Mac1958 does not debate

He attacks

And only excoriates MAGAs