Serious Question for MAGA

[martybegan]

Okay, so things will be better IF the Left capitulates or is beaten/eliminated.

What if that doesn't happen?

The current hard left has gone too far, and has too much influence on the rest of the left. They need to learn how to lose, something at which they suck.

 

[SeaMajor7]

You are making a point just not in the way you want. You are stating very confidently that there was no Russian collusion and that they lied and therefore should face consequences.

Here's the thing.

1. Mueller Report (Special Counsel Robert Mueller, Volume II, pp. 129–144)
The Mueller Report—Volume II—includes an unredacted filing that revealed that while he was campaign chairman, Paul Manafort met with Konstantin Kilimnik, whom investigators believe to be a Russian intelligence officer. The Report states:
“Manafort … met with Konstantin Kilimnik, who is believed to be a Russian intelligence officer. … Manafort gave him polling data related to the 2016 campaign and discussed a Ukrainian peace plan with him. Most of the polling data was reportedly public, although some was private Trump campaign polling data.” He also asked Kilimnik to pass the data to Serhiy Lyovochkin and Rinat Akhmetov. ([Mueller Report Vol. II, pp. 129–144])


2. Senate Intelligence Committee – Volume V (August 18, 2020), pp. 232–233
The Senate’s comprehensive Volume V report underscores the severity:





It explicitly identifies Kilimnik as a Russian intelligence officer and states that Manafort repeatedly tried to “secretly share internal Campaign information with Kilimnik,” including “sensitive internal polling data or Campaign strategy.” ([Senate Intel Report Vol. V, pp. 232–233])

The report also notes:





So consider this: senior campaign officials knowingly provided internal polling and strategic campaign data to someone officially assessed as part of Russian intelligence. Most people would call that collusion—or at least something that merits very serious scrutiny.

Which raises the question: were you genuinely unaware of these documented facts, or did you choose to dismiss them? If by your own logic those who knowingly misrepresent the facts should face consequences, then the same standard should apply to anyone confidently asserting “there was no collusion.”

I have as my source for facts the Mueller report and the Senate intelligence committees report led by Rubio with page numbers if you want to verify. What do you have?

So yes partisanship plays a huge role. Not just because data is cherry picked. But because people have internalized narratives that simply aren't supported by facts.

The demented LEFT will never give up their RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA BULLSHIT NARRATIVE.
It's ironic as it was Soviet Russia that scrambled their eggs long ago.

 

[Mrkelly]

Our Republic, the one we were born into, the one our fathers to great grandfathers fought to preserve for a century, is over.

We will have a majority one-party state.,

What that will look like is something I don't know.

To me

We have a one party state now

Bought and paid for

Liberals are all but extinct

Other than lip service around election time

 

[Woodznutz]

Too metaphysical for me. The whole history of human existence is overcoming our limitations and moving forward while retaining what we find works.

We are moving forward all right, moving closer to the edge of the "big cliff".

 

[martybegan]

We are moving forward all right, moving closer to the edge of the "big cliff".

A stagnant society is a dying society. The issue with progressives is they want to go "forward" while destroying the base on which our society's foundation rests.

Nothing wrong with change, but it must be measured, controlled if needed, and at the behest of the will of the large majority of people.

 

[Correll]

I'm afraid that every day we get more divided means a decrease in any chance of healing.

While I can't see how we get there from here, I'll always hold out hope, for my kids' sake.

Stop calling your political oposites nazis. for a start.

Calling someone a nazis is a statement that you plan to utterly destroy them.

THAT'S a divide.

 

[Woodznutz]

well we have to agree that there IS a problem first Woodz.....~S~

Well, our problems aren't really problems for those who are profiting from them. Crime isn't a problem for those who are employed in law enforcement. Illness isn't a problem for those employed in the healthcare industry. The dumbing down of America isn't a problem for those employed in the educational industry, etc.

 

[Woodznutz]

A stagnant society is a dying society. The issue with progressives is they want to go "forward" while destroying the base on which our society's foundation rests.

Nothing wrong with change, but it must be measured, controlled if needed, and at the behest of the will of the large majority of people.

People who work in "production" generally don't' understand the need for "maintenance" of what has already been produced.

 

[Correll]

Okay, so things will be better IF the Left capitulates or is beaten/eliminated.

What if that doesn't happen?

Hopefully we enter a period of generations long MAGA dominance, where the divide continues, but the left becomes increasingly irrelevant for a long time.

Eventually, they change, or at some point get assimilated when the GOP grows to the point of some sort of division.

All the serious political discourse will occurr inside the GOP.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Americans’ Deepening Mistrust of Institutions

I want to keep this question as straightforward and benign as I can.

I think we can all agree that MAGA, in general, has a lower level of trust in America's institutions, such as the press, the courts, the government, regulatory bodies and statistical reporting. Let me know if you disagree.

This clearly and obviously applies equally well to the American left, so, no, we cannot all agree.
This especially applies to the left if:

• The information comes from sources they disagree with
• They do not like the information

So, whatever taint you see here, you need to be sure to see both sides.

So, my question(s): What is your long-term opinion of how our society and civilization look like as this continues?

The impending economic, governmental, and societal collapse of the nation, brought on by our crushing national debt, render this question moot.

What do you suppose happens as the gulf between basic perceptions widens?

Then, like now, people will believe what they want to believe.
Division is not exactly a new development within American society.

Is that where you see a literal split in the country, away from 50 states, and is that your goal?

No.

 

[Mac-7]

I’m not MAGA but have a question for you. Do you trust America's institutions, such as the press, the courts, the government, regulatory bodies and statistical reporting?

Otoh Israel haters are cast in stone themselves

They blame Israel for the violence in Gaza when its the Pals who are at fault

 

[Votto]

Largely, yes. And proper structure and efficient ongoing oversight would improve them.

Not blind, hyperpartisan, authoritarian politics.

I'm not an "all or nothing" type.

So, you view the lack of distrust in government as simply a successful campaign by MAGA to discredit it that is by in large misplaced?

Either that, or you are lying and know how corrupt the system is, and are merely trying to find ways to bring trust back to a corrupt system as best you can.

If it is the first option, what has MAGA done to successfully cast a doubt on being able to trust the government do you think?

 

[martybegan]

People who work in "production" generally don't' understand the need for "maintenance" of what has already been produced.

I work in wastewater engineering, and my role is construction management. The majority of our work is to replace the equipment on a 20-40 year cycle to keep things working.

It's not flashy, but it keeps things running, and is always underfunded.

I actually see the divide as between the "planners" and the 'executors".

We have too many planners, and not enough people with the ability to get things done. You see it with all these music festivals that get delayed, or reduced, or have issues keeping things running the whole time.

 

[Votto]

Otoh Israel haters are cast in stone themselves

They blame Israel for the violence in Gaza when its the Pals who are at fault

Lies!!

Trump and Bibi bad, the rest of the world is good.

 

[Hafar1014]

So, you view the lack of distrust in government as simply a successful campaign by MAGA to discredit it that is by in large misplaced?

Either that, or you are lying and know how corrupt the system is, and are merely trying to find ways to bring trust back to a corrupt system as best you can.

If it is the first option, what has MAGA done to successfully cast a doubt on being able to trust the government do you think?

Close the border, reduce taxes, cut spending, deport illegal criminals

 

[Mac1958]

Stop calling your political oposites nazis. for a start.

Calling someone a nazis is a statement that you plan to utterly destroy them.

THAT'S a divide.

Tell that to someone who has actually said that.

They might respond by asking you to stop calling them commies.

We'll see how that goes.

 

[gipper]

Largely, yes. And proper structure and efficient ongoing oversight would improve them.

Not blind, hyperpartisan, authoritarian politics.

I'm not an "all or nothing" type.

Our institutions are corrupt and ineffective. If you didn’t know this before Covid, you certainly should have afterward.

Who is going to perform this “proper structure and efficient ongoing oversight” you speak of?

I suspect your partisanship and rabid hatred of Trump and Trumpers clouds your judgement. There is much to dislike about dumb Don and his followers, but thinking our institutions are just fine because you oppose Trump, is taking a partisan position.

Do you think you must support our institutions because Trump opposes them?

 

[berg80]

Americans’ Deepening Mistrust of Institutions

I want to keep this question as straightforward and benign as I can.

I think we can all agree that MAGA, in general, has a lower level of trust in America's institutions, such as the press, the courts, the government, regulatory bodies and statistical reporting. Let me know if you disagree.

Based on that, we're seeing a general divergence in America's ability to look at a number or a result or a "fact" and agree on what it is. I'm actually not sure if MAGA considers that to be a good thing or a bad thing, so please comment on that.

So, my question(s): What is your long-term opinion of how our society and civilization look like as this continues? What do you suppose happens as the gulf between basic perceptions widens? Is that where you see a literal split in the country, away from 50 states, and is that your goal?

A foundational aspect of any functional society is that there is a shared sense of reality. Inevitably, when issues in need of resolving come along effective solutions require members of the society to agree on what facts represent the problem in need of attention. Failure to agree on those facts results in dysfunction.

Hence, when a large portion of Americans believe the losing candidate in a presidential election really won, believe a pathological liar "tells it like it is," believe Russia did not try to influence the outcome of the 2016 election, believe climate change is a hoax, we have the kind of dysfunction leading to our inexorable demise.

 

[Woodznutz]

I work in wastewater engineering, and my role is construction management. The majority of our work is to replace the equipment on a 20-40 year cycle to keep things working.

It's not flashy, but it keeps things running, and is always underfunded.

I actually see the divide as between the "planners" and the 'executors".

We have too many planners, and not enough people with the ability to get things done. You see it with all these music festivals that get delayed, or reduced, or have issues keeping things running the whole time.

Our local lakes are the "crown jewels" so-called of the area. However, they are in a sad state due to inattention to their needs. At the same time $millions are being spent on an extensive network of bike paths, many of which run along the shores of our polluted lakes.

 

[Votto]

Close the border, reduce taxes, cut spending, deport illegal criminals

Politicians only care about polls and not people. That is #1. In fact, polls is the only reason Mac started this thread as he could care less about your views on the matter.

Nearly half of U.S. adults, 47 percent, said they do not trust the government, representing a 16-point drop since 2024.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5450431-fewer-americans-say-they-dont-trust-federal-government-survey/

But to your point, if you did those things would it bring trust back to government? I don't think so, but that's just my take.

I think by in large what needs to happen is heads need to roll for trust to return.

As we have seen, we have been inundated by both parties as to the criminality of the other party. First came Trump with the myriad of impeachments and then when he left office the never ending lawfare and then two assassination attempts later, he walks away without a scratch and becomes President.

Really? Where is the justice in the system democrats that you swore the entire 8 years of this that the evidence was overwhelming, and you even had a court friendly New York City and Washington DC judge and jury. I mean, what the hell? Has MAGA taken them over as well? And no, no one cares that they "tarnished" his name with a felony charge that essentially means absolutely nothing because it did not move the poll numbers at all.

And from the other side we see the EXACT same thing, only, the other side is demanding justice for that never ending assault on Trump as they show evidence after evidence of Russian collusion hoaxes being purposefully propagated through government agencies and Legacy media. So, the other side desires the same thing, which is accountability. Will they get it? Probably not.

This my friends in the price paid for monkeys slinging their poo at each other all day, just to swing poll numbers and with no real desire for justice regarding anything really.

Enjoy America!!!