Science Proves the Bible Again

[GreenAndBlue]

Logic is what finds the truth

Fear and superstition is what shields you from the truth.

Learn how the immune system works and stop being a foolish loser

Learn how the gods created the immune system to be fragile in comparison to the bacteria and viruses they created.

It proves the gods have a sense of humor.

Why did the number 1 atheist for 50 yrs change to a believer?

He changed because of science evidence

UK. Anthony Flew.

There is no such thing as "the number one atheist."[/QUOTE


He got that title because of 50 years

The top atheist

The number 1 atheist

The greatest atheist

 

[Hollie]

Your unsupported, uncorroborated claims are best appended with

".... because I say so",

Logic is what finds the truth

Fear and superstition is what shields you from the truth.

Learn how the immune system works and stop being a foolish loser

Learn how the gods created the immune system to be fragile in comparison to the bacteria and viruses they created.

It proves the gods have a sense of humor.

Why did the number 1 atheist for 50 yrs change to a believer?

He changed because of science evidence

UK. Anthony Flew.

Why would that matter?

 

[LittleNipper]

Space and time did not exist before the bang ..

A low logic answer there

Only GOD existed

Again this formula is how it cannot work

Space and time theory always and always before the bang


1 represents this 1 thing that is always and always

1111111111-10 million- 5 trillion- 1 million trillion

That formula is that theory and the proof of the explosion and expansion afterwards

See to make that 1 thing change something had to be added FROM NOTHING

So back to square one

The whole universe began from nothing

That start proves the supernatural
God

Then check the works and the plan can be seen

Humans to be like gods

Humans made in gods image

To become gods of the universe

To harness all the power of the universe and black holes

Without logic one is blind to understand

The snake handlers got drunk in the spirit that produced a block against the snakes poison

So now we have learned how the immune system can save us from
Cancer

So there will be a movement to help cancer by getting drunk in the spirit

Your unsupported, uncorroborated claims are best appended with

".... because I say so",

Logic is what finds the truth

Fear and superstition is what shields you from the truth.

And governmental control and legal manipulation is what shields you from facing the TRUTH.

And silly conspiracy theories make you quite paranoid.

Quite the opposite --- the Ten Commandments make you squirm and you'd give anything to be able to disregard them comfortably. If that isn't paranoia...

 

[GreenAndBlue]

Your unsupported, uncorroborated claims are best appended with

".... because I say so",

Logic is what finds the truth

Fear and superstition is what shields you from the truth.

And governmental control and legal manipulation is what shields you from facing the TRUTH.

And silly conspiracy theories make you quite paranoid.

Quite the opposite --- the Ten Commandments make you squirm and you'd give anything to be able to disregard them comfortably. If that isn't paranoia...

The Ten Commandments brings progress for each person of a nation from working correctly together

 

[Hollie]

Your unsupported, uncorroborated claims are best appended with

".... because I say so",

Logic is what finds the truth

Fear and superstition is what shields you from the truth.

And governmental control and legal manipulation is what shields you from facing the TRUTH.

And silly conspiracy theories make you quite paranoid.

Quite the opposite --- the Ten Commandments make you squirm and you'd give anything to be able to disregard them comfortably. If that isn't paranoia...

You're completely wrong. I think the ten commandments overall represent worthy goals as to how one can live their life. However, there is no reason to believe that one or more gods ever wrote the commandments. What a shame the religious folks in these threads (and throughout the history of Christianity), don't abide by what's in your books.

Now, to explore the bibles, I know there are many references to love and compassion, but there is a single fatal problem with the NT. That is, that Jesus does not explain why his doctrines are good for mankind, he commands obedience to them and levies a system of rewards or punishments based on adherence and conformity. Jesus doesn't say, "Be good to one another because you are each precious," Jesus states, "Believe and obey and you will see heaven-- doubt and disobey and you will earn eternal damnation".

 

[GreenAndBlue]

Logic is what finds the truth

Fear and superstition is what shields you from the truth.

And governmental control and legal manipulation is what shields you from facing the TRUTH.

And silly conspiracy theories make you quite paranoid.

Quite the opposite --- the Ten Commandments make you squirm and you'd give anything to be able to disregard them comfortably. If that isn't paranoia...

You're completely wrong. I think the ten commandments overall represent worthy goals as to how one can live their life. However, there is no reason to believe that one or more gods ever wrote the commandments. What a shame the religious folks in these threads (and throughout the history of Christianity), don't abide by what's in your books.

Now, to explore the bibles, I know there are many references to love and compassion, but there is a single fatal problem with the NT. That is, that Jesus does not explain why his doctrines are good for mankind, he commands obedience to them and levies a system of rewards or punishments based on adherence and conformity. Jesus doesn't say, "Be good to one another because you are each precious," Jesus states, "Believe and obey and you will see heaven-- doubt and disobey and you will earn eternal damnation".

Wrong Dead Wrong


A bridge cannot be built unless all abilities of humans are used

To bring humans together to make that great progress. The Ten Commandments and Christian laws greatly helped the success

Christians has been given the highest logic ability which then helps them to control the world

And they brought groups out of the misery of the stone age

 

[Hollie]

Fear and superstition is what shields you from the truth.

And governmental control and legal manipulation is what shields you from facing the TRUTH.

And silly conspiracy theories make you quite paranoid.

Quite the opposite --- the Ten Commandments make you squirm and you'd give anything to be able to disregard them comfortably. If that isn't paranoia...

You're completely wrong. I think the ten commandments overall represent worthy goals as to how one can live their life. However, there is no reason to believe that one or more gods ever wrote the commandments. What a shame the religious folks in these threads (and throughout the history of Christianity), don't abide by what's in your books.

Now, to explore the bibles, I know there are many references to love and compassion, but there is a single fatal problem with the NT. That is, that Jesus does not explain why his doctrines are good for mankind, he commands obedience to them and levies a system of rewards or punishments based on adherence and conformity. Jesus doesn't say, "Be good to one another because you are each precious," Jesus states, "Believe and obey and you will see heaven-- doubt and disobey and you will earn eternal damnation".

Wrong Dead Wrong


A bridge cannot be built unless all abilities of humans are used

To bring humans together to make that great progress. The Ten Commandments and Christian laws greatly helped the success

Christians has been given the highest logic ability which then helps them to control the world

And they brought groups out of the misery of the stone age

If you study the history of Christianity, you will see that Christians have neither the ability nor the wherewithal to control anything.

Christianity in Europe was a major influence which prolonged the Dark Ages.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. And who or what created the door?

met·a·phor
/ˈmedəˌfôr,ˈmedəˌfər/
noun

1. a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable.
   "her poetry depends on suggestion and metaphor"
   synonyms: figure of speech, figurative expression, image, trope, allegory, parable, analogy, comparison, symbol, emblem, word painting, word picture;
   literaryconceit
   • a thing regarded as representative or symbolic of something else, especially something abstract.
     "the amounts of money being lost by the company were enough to make it a metaphor for an industry that was teetering"

Otay. So are you saying our universe did not begin and there was something else before that? I have not heard of an acceptable science theory of this. BBT still rules the secular/atheist science world.

When did God begin?

Are you admitting that God exists now? Have you changed your mind and have faith in God? This would be the first step to changing your worldview and life.

God did not begin. He is beginningless, eternal and outside the realm of materialism. He is metaphysical or spiritual. He would also have to be spaceless, timeless, immaterial, all powerful and more in order to create space time and the universe the way it exists today. It would be impossible for it to happen randomly.

“.... because I say so”.

I think it’s worth pointing out that you have ascribed to your gods the same attributes that men have ascribed to the gods that have come and gone before your gods.

Consider this historically accurate and defendable argument:

Every god, with time, is swept away and looked upon as myth.

Where is the worship of Osiris? Of Isis, worshipped for 5,000 years. Where is Zeus, Odin, Jupiter? Where are the Druids, now as silent as Stonehenge, as cold and as silent as the Sphinx.

Dust, all. Antiquities. History suggests it will be also with Jehovah, Allah, Jesus, Vishnu.

It’s already happening, and as science makes them less relevant, we see the rise in fundamentalism. Why are fundamentalist religionists so reactionary? Because the adherents sense all around them the growing tide of humanism. The hyper-religious in these threads defame the non-believers as vile and godless and loathsome because… well, because as time goes on we do grow more godless. And as time goes by, and the gods don’t return to this earth, as the gods don’t prove salvation, we grow yet further away from fantasy and fiction. And that terrifies the hyper-religious. They know full well there is only faith and belief to support the “belief”. As mankind grows in scientific knowledge, those things once ascribed to the gods are taken away, leaving the gods to sit and judge, nothing more, and even of that, only the dead, a state of being no one ever returns from to testify whether or not the claims are true.

Plutocratic Parasites Are the New Gods Being Preached About

Just like the superstition that inventors shouldn't take personal credit for their vital contribution because they are merely the instruments of what God makes them create, the reigning materialist superstition is that Capital creates the wealth by financing inventors, who would be infertile without the divine Capitalists.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Space and time did not exist before the bang ..

A low logic answer there

Only GOD existed

Again this formula is how it cannot work

Space and time theory always and always before the bang


1 represents this 1 thing that is always and always

1111111111-10 million- 5 trillion- 1 million trillion

That formula is that theory and the proof of the explosion and expansion afterwards

See to make that 1 thing change something had to be added FROM NOTHING

So back to square one

The whole universe began from nothing

That start proves the supernatural
God

Then check the works and the plan can be seen

Humans to be like gods

Humans made in gods image

To become gods of the universe

To harness all the power of the universe and black holes

Without logic one is blind to understand

The snake handlers got drunk in the spirit that produced a block against the snakes poison

So now we have learned how the immune system can save us from
Cancer

So there will be a movement to help cancer by getting drunk in the spirit

Your unsupported, uncorroborated claims are best appended with

".... because I say so",

Logic is what finds the truth

Fear and superstition is what shields you from the truth.

Learn how the immune system works and stop being a foolish loser

Learn how the gods created the immune system to be fragile in comparison to the bacteria and viruses they created.

It proves the gods have a sense of humor.

"Clean Air" Is the Most Toxic of All and Always Has Been

Actually—and this is how totally wrong are the ideas we are told to believe in—man-made "pollution" is the strongest enemy of bacteria, viruses, and epidemics. Because of the way ideas get distorted, an intelligent person should question even the moderate starting point of those ideas, the one that is accepted by everybody. That's how they pacify us and get their mindless followers hooked.

There's little evidence for the platitude of "good ideas going wrong," so go back to the very basic assumptions preached at the beginning by such deceptive and pushy thinkers. Therefore "pollution" should be replaced by a neutral term, such as "byproducts."

Likewise, power doesn't corrupt; corrupt people seek power; they only pretend to be honorable when they start out. In order to maintain the established authoritarianism, we are told by those in power that if we fight back against them, we'll only become worse than them eventually.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

And governmental control and legal manipulation is what shields you from facing the TRUTH.

And silly conspiracy theories make you quite paranoid.

Quite the opposite --- the Ten Commandments make you squirm and you'd give anything to be able to disregard them comfortably. If that isn't paranoia...

You're completely wrong. I think the ten commandments overall represent worthy goals as to how one can live their life. However, there is no reason to believe that one or more gods ever wrote the commandments. What a shame the religious folks in these threads (and throughout the history of Christianity), don't abide by what's in your books.

Now, to explore the bibles, I know there are many references to love and compassion, but there is a single fatal problem with the NT. That is, that Jesus does not explain why his doctrines are good for mankind, he commands obedience to them and levies a system of rewards or punishments based on adherence and conformity. Jesus doesn't say, "Be good to one another because you are each precious," Jesus states, "Believe and obey and you will see heaven-- doubt and disobey and you will earn eternal damnation".

Wrong Dead Wrong


A bridge cannot be built unless all abilities of humans are used

To bring humans together to make that great progress. The Ten Commandments and Christian laws greatly helped the success

Christians has been given the highest logic ability which then helps them to control the world

And they brought groups out of the misery of the stone age

If you study the history of Christianity, you will see that Christians have neither the ability nor the wherewithal to control anything.

Christianity in Europe was a major influence which prolonged the Dark Ages.

If We Have to Do It on Our Own, So Must These Spoiled Mediocrities

Christianity, like today's exclusivist political class, was just a branch of the hereditary tyranny that we are not allowed to see in our time only because of the meaningless lack of actual titles. Practically all the hierarchy came from the Nobility With No Ability.
Of course, there are no Coats of Arms in America because richkids are unpatriotic sissyboys who get their Daddies to get them out of ever having to fight for our country. But as long as trust funds and inheritances exist, we will drift back to the Dark Ages. Pathetic wannabe Preppies are no-talent bootlickers who hate their Daddies for not getting rich and spoiling them.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

And governmental control and legal manipulation is what shields you from facing the TRUTH.

No freak, the evidence shows us the truth.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

the Ten Commandments make you squirm

You just accussd him of of being a murderer and a thief, you sniveling little puke.

 

[basquebromance]

85 percent of the world admits knowing little to nothing about science, according to American multinational conglomerate 3M's second annual State of Science Index

 

[GreenAndBlue]

And governmental control and legal manipulation is what shields you from facing the TRUTH.

And silly conspiracy theories make you quite paranoid.

Quite the opposite --- the Ten Commandments make you squirm and you'd give anything to be able to disregard them comfortably. If that isn't paranoia...

You're completely wrong. I think the ten commandments overall represent worthy goals as to how one can live their life. However, there is no reason to believe that one or more gods ever wrote the commandments. What a shame the religious folks in these threads (and throughout the history of Christianity), don't abide by what's in your books.

Now, to explore the bibles, I know there are many references to love and compassion, but there is a single fatal problem with the NT. That is, that Jesus does not explain why his doctrines are good for mankind, he commands obedience to them and levies a system of rewards or punishments based on adherence and conformity. Jesus doesn't say, "Be good to one another because you are each precious," Jesus states, "Believe and obey and you will see heaven-- doubt and disobey and you will earn eternal damnation".

Wrong Dead Wrong


A bridge cannot be built unless all abilities of humans are used

To bring humans together to make that great progress. The Ten Commandments and Christian laws greatly helped the success

Christians has been given the highest logic ability which then helps them to control the world

And they brought groups out of the misery of the stone age

If you study the history of Christianity, you will see that Christians have neither the ability nor the wherewithal to control anything.

Christianity in Europe was a major influence which prolonged the Dark Ages.

Wrong

The printing press got invented

Then the books on religion could be read and the wise of the world flocked to the bible and the wise together beat all other nations in war and progress

 

[james bond]

The story with the Bible has always been about finding contradictions from the low brow internet atheists. After all, the contradictions came to evolution right away and was shown to be false as Dawin was wrong and it lead to social Darwinism, Eugenics, Hitler, the Holocaust and Planned Parenthood. Satan had his own book and could not have done it better. However, people continue to fall for it as natural selection is used for microevolution and falsity becomes the truth. Part is true, so the rest is true. That's a fallacy in itself. Anyway, the Bible has not been contradicted. It is infallible as God's word is infallible. Thus, how can the non-believers be anything else but wrong? Atheist science is a lie and wrong, wrong, wrong. In a way, it is prophecized that there will be global warming when the entire Earth is destroyed by fire and the lamb shall come again. The irony.

"The wolf shall dwell with the lamb,
and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat,
and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together;
and a little child shall lead them." Isaiah 11:6

"And one of the elders said to me, “Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.”
And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, with seven horns and with seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth." Revelation 5:5-6

Revelation 5 continues with John the Apostle noticing there is a scroll in the right hand of the man on the throne. The scroll has writing on the inside and is sealed with seven seals. Only one lamb is worthy to receive the scroll and break the seals.

The scroll could be our universe as its seven seals are broken and the lamb comes again to take away the sins of the world through fire this time.

And like with the flood, there will be survivors and the rest, the spiritually dead, will perish in the fire.

 

[Hollie]

The story with the Bible has always been about finding contradictions from the low brow internet atheists. After all, the contradictions came to evolution right away and was shown to be false as Dawin was wrong and it lead to social Darwinism, Eugenics, Hitler, the Holocaust and Planned Parenthood. Satan had his own book and could not have done it better. However, people continue to fall for it as natural selection is used for microevolution and falsity becomes the truth. Part is true, so the rest is true. That's a fallacy in itself. Anyway, the Bible has not been contradicted. It is infallible as God's word is infallible. Thus, how can the non-believers be anything else but wrong? Atheist science is a lie and wrong, wrong, wrong. In a way, it is prophecized that there will be global warming when the entire Earth is destroyed by fire and the lamb shall come again. The irony.

"The wolf shall dwell with the lamb,
and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat,
and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together;
and a little child shall lead them." Isaiah 11:6

"And one of the elders said to me, “Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.”
And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, with seven horns and with seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth." Revelation 5:5-6

Revelation 5 continues with John the Apostle noticing there is a scroll in the right hand of the man on the throne. The scroll has writing on the inside and is sealed with seven seals. Only one lamb is worthy to receive the scroll and break the seals.

The scroll could be our universe as its seven seals are broken and the lamb comes again to take away the sins of the world through fire this time.

And like with the flood, there will be survivors and the rest, the spiritually dead, will perish in the fire.

You apparently took a great deal of time gathering as many clichés as you could find at your ID’iot / creation ministries. You rattle on about contradictions in biological evolution and how it is false yet, as usual, you are unable to offer a single relevant example.

Evolution is a theory that is backed up by facts and mountains of data. That we all know, and it is demonstrable, even if folks like you cavalierly dismiss it (and sound laughably like flat-earthers by doing so, by the way). ID’iot / creationism asserts a supernatural cause for existence Evolution is a theory that is backed up by facts and mountains of data. That we all know, and it is demonstrable, even if folks like you cavalierly dismiss it (and sound laughably like flat-earthers by doing so, by the way). ID asserts a supernatural cause at the git-go, and doesn't even answer the most fundamentally flawed elements of its own assertions:

A. If there is required an intelligent designer because existence displays a complex design, then doesn't the intelligent designer also require an intelligent designer to have designer it as well? (Translation: If your premise is: "X" needs a Designer because it's complicated, then the Designer needs a designer because it's even MORE complicated than "X", in order to have designed it in the first place.)

B. What are the characteristics of this "Designer"? Assume the "Designer" assertion is true -- why does this "Designer" become important at all? It may be long dead. It may have no vested interest. Is it at all demonstrable?

The fundie xtian attempt to conflate evolution and eugenics is classic dishonesty and misrepresentation spewed by the Christian fundie ministries. It’s all so stereotypically corrupt which defines the angry, self-hating fundies.


CA002.1: Social Darwinism.

Claim CA002.1:

Darwinism leads to social Darwinism, the policy that the weak should be allowed to fail and die.

Source:

Morris, Henry M. 1985. Scientific Creationism. Green Forest, AR: Master Books, p. 179.

Response:

1. This is an example of the naturalistic fallacy -- the argument that how things are implies how they ought to be. But "is" does not imply "ought." Evolution only tells how things are; it does not say how they should be.
2. The source of social Darwinism was not Darwin but Herbert Spencer and the tradition of Protestant nonconformism going back to Hobbes via Malthus. Spencer's ideas of evolution were Lamarckian. The only real connection between Darwinism and social Darwinism is the name.
3. Diverse political and religious ideas draw upon evolutionary biology, including ideas advocating greater cooperation.
4. Evolutionary theory shows us that the long-term survival of a species is strongly linked with its genetic variability. All Social Darwinist programs advocate minimizing genetic variability, thus reducing chances of long-term survival in the event of environmental change. An understanding of evolution should then rebuke any attempt at social Darwinism if the long-term survival of humanity is treated as a goal.
5. Eugenics and social Darwinian accounts are more often tied to the rise of the science of genetics than to evolutionary theory.

Links:

Wilkins, John, 1997. Evolution and philosophy: Does evolution make might right? Evolution and Philosophy: Social Darwinism

 

[james bond]

The story with the Bible has always been about finding contradictions from the low brow internet atheists. After all, the contradictions came to evolution right away and was shown to be false as Dawin was wrong and it lead to social Darwinism, Eugenics, Hitler, the Holocaust and Planned Parenthood. Satan had his own book and could not have done it better. However, people continue to fall for it as natural selection is used for microevolution and falsity becomes the truth. Part is true, so the rest is true. That's a fallacy in itself. Anyway, the Bible has not been contradicted. It is infallible as God's word is infallible. Thus, how can the non-believers be anything else but wrong? Atheist science is a lie and wrong, wrong, wrong. In a way, it is prophecized that there will be global warming when the entire Earth is destroyed by fire and the lamb shall come again. The irony.

"The wolf shall dwell with the lamb,
and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat,
and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together;
and a little child shall lead them." Isaiah 11:6

"And one of the elders said to me, “Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.”
And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, with seven horns and with seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth." Revelation 5:5-6

Revelation 5 continues with John the Apostle noticing there is a scroll in the right hand of the man on the throne. The scroll has writing on the inside and is sealed with seven seals. Only one lamb is worthy to receive the scroll and break the seals.

The scroll could be our universe as its seven seals are broken and the lamb comes again to take away the sins of the world through fire this time.

And like with the flood, there will be survivors and the rest, the spiritually dead, will perish in the fire.

You apparently took a great deal of time gathering as many clichés as you could find at your ID’iot / creation ministries. You rattle on about contradictions in biological evolution and how it is false yet, as usual, you are unable to offer a single relevant example.

Evolution is a theory that is backed up by facts and mountains of data. That we all know, and it is demonstrable, even if folks like you cavalierly dismiss it (and sound laughably like flat-earthers by doing so, by the way). ID’iot / creationism asserts a supernatural cause for existence Evolution is a theory that is backed up by facts and mountains of data. That we all know, and it is demonstrable, even if folks like you cavalierly dismiss it (and sound laughably like flat-earthers by doing so, by the way). ID asserts a supernatural cause at the git-go, and doesn't even answer the most fundamentally flawed elements of its own assertions:

A. If there is required an intelligent designer because existence displays a complex design, then doesn't the intelligent designer also require an intelligent designer to have designer it as well? (Translation: If your premise is: "X" needs a Designer because it's complicated, then the Designer needs a designer because it's even MORE complicated than "X", in order to have designed it in the first place.)

B. What are the characteristics of this "Designer"? Assume the "Designer" assertion is true -- why does this "Designer" become important at all? It may be long dead. It may have no vested interest. Is it at all demonstrable?

The fundie xtian attempt to conflate evolution and eugenics is classic dishonesty and misrepresentation spewed by the Christian fundie ministries. It’s all so stereotypically corrupt which defines the angry, self-hating fundies.


CA002.1: Social Darwinism.

Claim CA002.1:

Darwinism leads to social Darwinism, the policy that the weak should be allowed to fail and die.

Source:

Morris, Henry M. 1985. Scientific Creationism. Green Forest, AR: Master Books, p. 179.

Response:

1. This is an example of the naturalistic fallacy -- the argument that how things are implies how they ought to be. But "is" does not imply "ought." Evolution only tells how things are; it does not say how they should be.
2. The source of social Darwinism was not Darwin but Herbert Spencer and the tradition of Protestant nonconformism going back to Hobbes via Malthus. Spencer's ideas of evolution were Lamarckian. The only real connection between Darwinism and social Darwinism is the name.
3. Diverse political and religious ideas draw upon evolutionary biology, including ideas advocating greater cooperation.
4. Evolutionary theory shows us that the long-term survival of a species is strongly linked with its genetic variability. All Social Darwinist programs advocate minimizing genetic variability, thus reducing chances of long-term survival in the event of environmental change. An understanding of evolution should then rebuke any attempt at social Darwinism if the long-term survival of humanity is treated as a goal.
5. Eugenics and social Darwinian accounts are more often tied to the rise of the science of genetics than to evolutionary theory.

Links:

Wilkins, John, 1997. Evolution and philosophy: Does evolution make might right? Evolution and Philosophy: Social Darwinism

I didn't get it from Henry Morris. This is one of the conclusions I got from reading Darwin and learning about what happened afterward. This is no harmless fallacy nor a contradiction. This is what Darwin basically was saying in his second book. You do not get it from secular science as they cover up their lies. They were part of the racism. The only thing they had evidence for was microevolution and they took it to macroevolution and applied it to humans. Darwin was not able to figure out how to get the long-time. He also did not find the transitional fossils, so thought his work was wrong. Thus, he focused on the survival of the fittest which he got from Herbert Spencer and promptly put it in his book. This is how evolution produced favored races which is what Spencer taught. Prior to this, there was a history of racist thinking in science from Darwin's peers and his father's friends. Men were superior to women and certain races were more evolved than others. The racism is evident in his second book The Descent of Man. He decided to focus on humans because he could not demonstrate how animals changed from one creature to another. It still does not happen today. We do not find transitional fossils, but instead find living fossils. Thus, how could there have been a transition mutation?

However, focusing on humans was enough for another scientific best seller. The rest they say is history. "Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists, revealed in their writings that Darwin’s theory and publications had a major influence upon Nazi race policies. Hitler believed that the human gene pool could be improved by using selective breeding similar to how farmers breed superior cattle strains. In the formulation of their racial policies, Hitler’s government relied heavily upon Darwinism, especially the elaborations by Spencer and Haeckel. As a result, a central policy of Hitler’s administration was the development and implementation of policies designed to protect the ‘superior race’. This required at the very least preventing the ‘inferior races’ from mixing with those judged superior, in order to reduce contamination of the latter’s gene pool. The ‘superior race’ belief was based on the theory of group inequality within each species, a major presumption and requirement of Darwin’s original ‘survival of the fittest’ theory. This philosophy culminated in the ‘final solution’, the extermination of approximately six million Jews and four million other people who belonged to what German scientists judged as ‘inferior races’." It's no wonder that a science book became such a popular best seller. Why were the Jews picked out by Hitler? Can you tell me that? He had others that he wanted to get rid of, too. This is your science history, so you should be able to explain. Hitler wasn't the only racist politician during the time. There were others, so it influenced the world. The ones who tried to save the Jews such as Oscar Schindler and Corrie ten Boom and her family were few in number. Why did other countries remain isolationist and appeased Germany? Did they believe only the strong survive and this was how the weak were weeded out?

It's the ToE. "The theory of evolution is based on individuals acquiring unique traits that enable those possessing the new traits to better survive adverse conditions compared to those who don’t possess them. Superior individuals will be more likely to survive and pass on these traits to their offspring so such traits will increase in number, while the ‘weaker’ individuals will eventually die off. If every member of a species were fully equal, natural selection would have nothing to select from, and evolution would cease for that species."

- Darwinism and the Nazi Race Holocaust -

 

[Manonthestreet]

Logic is what finds the truth

Fear and superstition is what shields you from the truth.

And governmental control and legal manipulation is what shields you from facing the TRUTH.

And silly conspiracy theories make you quite paranoid.

Quite the opposite --- the Ten Commandments make you squirm and you'd give anything to be able to disregard them comfortably. If that isn't paranoia...

You're completely wrong. I think the ten commandments overall represent worthy goals as to how one can live their life. However, there is no reason to believe that one or more gods ever wrote the commandments. What a shame the religious folks in these threads (and throughout the history of Christianity), don't abide by what's in your books.

Now, to explore the bibles, I know there are many references to love and compassion, but there is a single fatal problem with the NT. That is, that Jesus does not explain why his doctrines are good for mankind, he commands obedience to them and levies a system of rewards or punishments based on adherence and conformity. Jesus doesn't say, "Be good to one another because you are each precious," Jesus states, "Believe and obey and you will see heaven-- doubt and disobey and you will earn eternal damnation".

JOHN 15:12 KJV "This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you."

 

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Fear and superstition is what shields you from the truth.

And governmental control and legal manipulation is what shields you from facing the TRUTH.

And silly conspiracy theories make you quite paranoid.

Quite the opposite --- the Ten Commandments make you squirm and you'd give anything to be able to disregard them comfortably. If that isn't paranoia...

You're completely wrong. I think the ten commandments overall represent worthy goals as to how one can live their life. However, there is no reason to believe that one or more gods ever wrote the commandments. What a shame the religious folks in these threads (and throughout the history of Christianity), don't abide by what's in your books.

Now, to explore the bibles, I know there are many references to love and compassion, but there is a single fatal problem with the NT. That is, that Jesus does not explain why his doctrines are good for mankind, he commands obedience to them and levies a system of rewards or punishments based on adherence and conformity. Jesus doesn't say, "Be good to one another because you are each precious," Jesus states, "Believe and obey and you will see heaven-- doubt and disobey and you will earn eternal damnation".

JOHN 15:12 KJV "This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you."

That part of the bible has been proven as the best way for progress for a nation

But each person must do their own ability

A low logic person must not vote

 

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The story with the Bible has always been about finding contradictions from the low brow internet atheists. After all, the contradictions came to evolution right away and was shown to be false as Dawin was wrong and it lead to social Darwinism, Eugenics, Hitler, the Holocaust and Planned Parenthood. Satan had his own book and could not have done it better. However, people continue to fall for it as natural selection is used for microevolution and falsity becomes the truth. Part is true, so the rest is true. That's a fallacy in itself. Anyway, the Bible has not been contradicted. It is infallible as God's word is infallible. Thus, how can the non-believers be anything else but wrong? Atheist science is a lie and wrong, wrong, wrong. In a way, it is prophecized that there will be global warming when the entire Earth is destroyed by fire and the lamb shall come again. The irony.

"The wolf shall dwell with the lamb,
and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat,
and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together;
and a little child shall lead them." Isaiah 11:6

"And one of the elders said to me, “Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.”
And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, with seven horns and with seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth." Revelation 5:5-6

Revelation 5 continues with John the Apostle noticing there is a scroll in the right hand of the man on the throne. The scroll has writing on the inside and is sealed with seven seals. Only one lamb is worthy to receive the scroll and break the seals.

The scroll could be our universe as its seven seals are broken and the lamb comes again to take away the sins of the world through fire this time.

And like with the flood, there will be survivors and the rest, the spiritually dead, will perish in the fire.

You apparently took a great deal of time gathering as many clichés as you could find at your ID’iot / creation ministries. You rattle on about contradictions in biological evolution and how it is false yet, as usual, you are unable to offer a single relevant example.

Evolution is a theory that is backed up by facts and mountains of data. That we all know, and it is demonstrable, even if folks like you cavalierly dismiss it (and sound laughably like flat-earthers by doing so, by the way). ID’iot / creationism asserts a supernatural cause for existence Evolution is a theory that is backed up by facts and mountains of data. That we all know, and it is demonstrable, even if folks like you cavalierly dismiss it (and sound laughably like flat-earthers by doing so, by the way). ID asserts a supernatural cause at the git-go, and doesn't even answer the most fundamentally flawed elements of its own assertions:

A. If there is required an intelligent designer because existence displays a complex design, then doesn't the intelligent designer also require an intelligent designer to have designer it as well? (Translation: If your premise is: "X" needs a Designer because it's complicated, then the Designer needs a designer because it's even MORE complicated than "X", in order to have designed it in the first place.)

B. What are the characteristics of this "Designer"? Assume the "Designer" assertion is true -- why does this "Designer" become important at all? It may be long dead. It may have no vested interest. Is it at all demonstrable?

The fundie xtian attempt to conflate evolution and eugenics is classic dishonesty and misrepresentation spewed by the Christian fundie ministries. It’s all so stereotypically corrupt which defines the angry, self-hating fundies.


CA002.1: Social Darwinism.

Claim CA002.1:

Darwinism leads to social Darwinism, the policy that the weak should be allowed to fail and die.

Source:

Morris, Henry M. 1985. Scientific Creationism. Green Forest, AR: Master Books, p. 179.

Response:

1. This is an example of the naturalistic fallacy -- the argument that how things are implies how they ought to be. But "is" does not imply "ought." Evolution only tells how things are; it does not say how they should be.
2. The source of social Darwinism was not Darwin but Herbert Spencer and the tradition of Protestant nonconformism going back to Hobbes via Malthus. Spencer's ideas of evolution were Lamarckian. The only real connection between Darwinism and social Darwinism is the name.
3. Diverse political and religious ideas draw upon evolutionary biology, including ideas advocating greater cooperation.
4. Evolutionary theory shows us that the long-term survival of a species is strongly linked with its genetic variability. All Social Darwinist programs advocate minimizing genetic variability, thus reducing chances of long-term survival in the event of environmental change. An understanding of evolution should then rebuke any attempt at social Darwinism if the long-term survival of humanity is treated as a goal.
5. Eugenics and social Darwinian accounts are more often tied to the rise of the science of genetics than to evolutionary theory.

Links:

Wilkins, John, 1997. Evolution and philosophy: Does evolution make might right? Evolution and Philosophy: Social Darwinism

I didn't get it from Henry Morris. This is one of the conclusions I got from reading Darwin and learning about what happened afterward. This is no harmless fallacy nor a contradiction. This is what Darwin basically was saying in his second book. You do not get it from secular science as they cover up their lies. They were part of the racism. The only thing they had evidence for was microevolution and they took it to macroevolution and applied it to humans. Darwin was not able to figure out how to get the long-time. He also did not find the transitional fossils, so thought his work was wrong. Thus, he focused on the survival of the fittest which he got from Herbert Spencer and promptly put it in his book. This is how evolution produced favored races which is what Spencer taught. Prior to this, there was a history of racist thinking in science from Darwin's peers and his father's friends. Men were superior to women and certain races were more evolved than others. The racism is evident in his second book The Descent of Man. He decided to focus on humans because he could not demonstrate how animals changed from one creature to another. It still does not happen today. We do not find transitional fossils, but instead find living fossils. Thus, how could there have been a transition mutation?

However, focusing on humans was enough for another scientific best seller. The rest they say is history. "Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists, revealed in their writings that Darwin’s theory and publications had a major influence upon Nazi race policies. Hitler believed that the human gene pool could be improved by using selective breeding similar to how farmers breed superior cattle strains. In the formulation of their racial policies, Hitler’s government relied heavily upon Darwinism, especially the elaborations by Spencer and Haeckel. As a result, a central policy of Hitler’s administration was the development and implementation of policies designed to protect the ‘superior race’. This required at the very least preventing the ‘inferior races’ from mixing with those judged superior, in order to reduce contamination of the latter’s gene pool. The ‘superior race’ belief was based on the theory of group inequality within each species, a major presumption and requirement of Darwin’s original ‘survival of the fittest’ theory. This philosophy culminated in the ‘final solution’, the extermination of approximately six million Jews and four million other people who belonged to what German scientists judged as ‘inferior races’." It's no wonder that a science book became such a popular best seller. Why were the Jews picked out by Hitler? Can you tell me that? He had others that he wanted to get rid of, too. This is your science history, so you should be able to explain. Hitler wasn't the only racist politician during the time. There were others, so it influenced the world. The ones who tried to save the Jews such as Oscar Schindler and Corrie ten Boom and her family were few in number. Why did other countries remain isolationist and appeased Germany? Did they believe only the strong survive and this was how the weak were weeded out?

It's the ToE. "The theory of evolution is based on individuals acquiring unique traits that enable those possessing the new traits to better survive adverse conditions compared to those who don’t possess them. Superior individuals will be more likely to survive and pass on these traits to their offspring so such traits will increase in number, while the ‘weaker’ individuals will eventually die off. If every member of a species were fully equal, natural selection would have nothing to select from, and evolution would cease for that species."

- Darwinism and the Nazi Race Holocaust -

Of course you stole your long cut and paste from Henry Morris. Your link above is to AIG which is a stereotypical clearinghouse for Henry Morris groupies / xtian zealots.

It’s not surprising then that the entirety of your cutting and pasting consists of 1990’s vintage clichés and nonsensical Christian fundamentalist tripe from AIG and creation.com.

The Christian fundamentalist claim linking Hitler to “Darwinism” is actually pretty ironic as Hitler and Christianity had close ties.

Claim CA006.1:
Adolf Hitler exploited the racist ideas of Darwinism to justify genocide.

Source:
Weston-Broome, Sharon. 2001. Louisiana House Concurrent Resolution no. 74: CIVIL RIGHTS: Provides relative to racism and education about racism. HLS 01-2652 ORIGINAL.

Response:

1. Hitler based his ideas not on Darwinism but on a "divine right" philosophy:Thus, it [the folkish philosophy] by no means believes in an equality of races, but along with their difference it recognizes their higher or lesser value and feels itself obligated, through this knowledge, to promote the victory of the better and stronger, and demand the subordination of the inferior and weaker in accordance with the eternal will that dominates this universe. (Hitler 1943, 383)The first edition of Mein Kampf suggests that Hitler may once have believed in a young earth: "this planet will, as it did thousands of years ago, move through the ether devoid of men" (p. 65; the second edition substitutes "millions" for "thousands," and chapter 11 refers to "hundreds of thousands of years" of life in another context.)
2. Other passages further support his creationist leanings:The undermining of the existence of human culture by the destruction of its bearer seems in the eyes of a folkish philosophy the most execrable crime. Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent Creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise. (Hitler 1943, 383)andWhat we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, . . . so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe. (Hitler 1943, 214)Quotes from Hitler invoking Christianity as a basis for his actions could be multiplied ad nauseam. For example:Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord (Hitler 1943, 65)."[T]he task of preserving and advancing the highest humanity, given to this earth by the benevolence of the Almighty, seems a truly high mission (Hitler 1943, 398).A campaign against the "godless movement" and an appeal for Catholic support were launched Wednesday by Chancellor Adolf Hitler's forces (Associated Press 1933).Of course, this does not mean that Hitler's ideas were based on creationism any more than they were based on evolution. Hitler's ideas were a perversion of both religion and biology.
   
   
3. The Nazi Party in general rejected Darwinism and supported Christianity. In 1935, Die Bücherei, the official Nazi journal for lending libraries, published a list of guidelines of works to reject, including:Writings of a philosophical and social nature whose content deals with the false scientific enlightenment of primitive Darwinism and Monism (Häckel). (Die Bücherei 1935, 279)On the other hand, an undated "Blacklist for Public Libraries and Commercial Lending Libraries" includes the following on a list of literature which "absolutely must be removed":c) All writings that ridicule, belittle or besmirch the Christian religion and its institution, faith in God, or other things that are holy to the healthy sentiments of the Volk. (Blacklist n.d.)
4. Genocide and racism existed long before Darwin. Obviously, they did not need any contribution from Darwinism. In many instances, such as the Crusades and the Spanish conquest of Central America, religion was explicitly invoked to justify them.
   
   
5. Evolution does not promote social Darwinism or racism or eugenics.

References:

1. "Blacklist for Public Libraries and Commercial Lending Libraries." Quoted from University of Arizona Library, "Lists of Banned Books, 1932-1939", transl. Roland Richter, When Books Burn: Lists of Banned Books, 1933-1939
2. Die Bücherei 2:6 (1935). Quoted from University of Arizona Library, "Lists of Banned Books, 1932-1939", transl. Roland Richter,When Books Burn: Lists of Banned Books, 1933-1939
3. Hitler, A. 1943. Mein Kampf. Transl. R. Manheim. Boston: Houghton Mifflin. Mein Kampf, Introduction or http://www.crusader.net/texts/mk/
4. Associated Press. 1933. Hitler aims blow at 'Godless' move, Lansing State Journal (Michigan), Feb. 23, 1933. Reprinted atHitler's Religion