Trump eliminates Obama-era climate policies

[DennisPTate]

Greenland grows a new ice layer every year, has for a million+ years. It is not melting. South of Arctic Circle there is melt in Summer, but the ice is not retreating year over year. Greenland was the most important "talking point" of the Global Cooling scam of the 1970s, what happened to the Vikings there. The Vikings farmed the southern tip until the 1400s, and their dwellings on the mainland are now buried under 600 layers of ice.

The "darker ice" may be about pollution, or it may be complete BS.

I believe that yes, the darker ice is probably partly about pollution and would to at least some degree fit with what was termed The Global Dimming Effect. A study on this factor began after the week after September 11, 2001 got everybody thinking about a lot of things.

It seemed that the elimination of jet trails for several days led to significant warming in the continental USA. The jet stream takes the soot, ash and dust from industry over certain areas and decreases the amount of solar energy able to hit the earth much as a major volcanic eruption can set in motion a Cooling trend for a number of years or even decades.

Global dimming is a reduction in the amount of solar radiation reaching Earth's surface, caused by increased atmospheric pollutants (aerosols) like sulfates and black carbon from fossil fuels. This phenomenon acts as a, "Faustian bargain" by creating a temporary, pollutant-based cooling effect that masks the true extent of global warming.
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Key Details

• Cause: Primarily, human-caused aerosol pollution (sulfate aerosols, soot) from industrialization, which reflects sunlight and increases cloud reflectivity.
• Impact: Masked up to
  0.5∘C−0.9∘C
  of global warming as of 2021. It also disrupts the hydrological cycle by reducing evaporation, which has been linked to severe droughts (e.g., the 1970s/80s Sahel famine).
• Reversal (Global Brightening): Since 1990, air quality improvements have reduced aerosols, causing a "global brightening" that is now accelerating the warming previously hidden.
• Paradox: Efforts to improve air quality and reduce pollution (a beneficial action) are, ironically, exposing the planet to the full force of greenhouse gas-induced warming.
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Regional Differences

• Northern Hemisphere: Heavily impacted between 1960 and 1990 due to high industrialization.
• Asia/India: Dimming has continued or intensified in regions like India due to high aerosol levels, even while other regions have begun to brighten.
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Comparison with Global Warming

• Global Warming: Caused by greenhouse gases (e.g.,
  ��2
  ) that trap heat.
• Global Dimming: Caused by particulates that reflect sunlight.
• Result: A complex interaction where both need to be addressed together to avoid massive, sudden temperature increases.

Here is a funny idea for you.....
imagine that Mr. Al Gore is elected President in 2000.....
imagine that everything that he does Decreases The Global Dimming Effect.........

this could set in motion a major league Global Warming Fast Feedback event and voila..........

Rapid melting is set in motion on Greenland and Antarcitca.... and voila......

by January 1, 2013 fifteen to twenty percent of the Continental USA is below sea level......

much as was shown in the Helen Wambach Ph. D. and Dr. Chet Snow research that was on one aspect of para-psychology?

Thread 'Helen Wambach Ph. D., Dr. Chet Snow and the seeming error of P. M. Pierre E. Trudeau?'

Dec 19, 2025

Silly me, since around 1994 I have felt that the actions that Prime Minister Pierre E. Trudeau took in 1974, were arguably one of the worst errors made by a sitting Canadian Prime Minister, but, now I am pretty much certain that I WAS WRONG!!!!!!?????

Now this is a bit complicated, and I do feel that this theory that is based on the controversial and vulnerable research done by Helen Wambach Ph. D. and Dr. Chet Snow, indicates that Prime Minister Pierre E. Trudeau may have been attempting to SAVE THE WORLD ENVIRONMENT, and, YES, A POWERFUL CASE CAN BE PRESENTED THAT PRIME MINISTER PIERRE...

• DennisPTate
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• Forum: Paranormal

 

[Mac-7]

On the other hand I have to admit that I did read a rather impressive case that we should take the idea of a general Global Warming trend at least somewhat seriously. As Alaska and the Canadian Arctic does continue to warm Methane will be released from the permafrost.

On this entire question I personally admit that I am rather confused.

The climate has never been static

It changes for a variety of reasons beyond our control

The extreme measures being taken and proposed may do more harm than good

The lib greenie reaction to fossil fuels is often highly emotional and thoughtless

As a society we should stop and think before we leap

 

[DennisPTate]

The climate has never been static

It changes for a variety of reasons beyond our control

The extreme measures being taken and proposed may do more harm than good

The lib greenie reaction to fossil fuels is often highly emotional and thoughtless

As a society we should stop and think before we leap

In my opinion a Carbon Tax sets the stage for all that was explained by Mr. Bill Gates in his 2010 lecture, "Innovating to zero."

A Carbon Tax and elected officials assisting Mr. Bill Gates in his plan to reduce the world's population from six point eight billion people, down to two or three billion people might just lead to something even worse than what we saw happen in 2020, 2021 and into 2022.


A pretty powerful case can be presented that Canada's Prime Minister Justin TRudeau helped to make Kamala UNELECTABLE for 2024.

Canada tells us of Covid21 -the plan now what is coming​

www.TheyLied.ca/

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

No, I think it's a calculated move to profit the few at the expense of the many.

The exspense of the many part has been predicted many times by your “scientists “ over the past fifty years. They failed every single time.

 

[my2¢]

Other answer, please be specific in a reply.

The environmental objectives were good, but the timelines were too aggressive.

 

[DennisPTate]

It's a great thing that all of this Global climate crap is being rejected by the US...We all know by now that it was nothing but a Global wealth redistribution scheme...

And it also set the stage for depopulation!

The people who passed the script for "Innovating to zero" very probably had video footage that Bill did not want released........ but it may soon be coming out anyway!

Bill and his backers were serious about depopulation and their plans depended on the Al Gore Carbon Tax Scheme.

 

[DennisPTate]

Other answer, please be specific in a reply.

The environmental objectives were good, but the timelines were too aggressive.

Some of the ideas were good.....
but very confusing because it is almost certain that the elimination of the ash and soot and dust from industry would tend to Decrease the Global Dimming Effect. Decreasing the Global Dimming Effect can set in motion a Rapid era of Global Warming and the collapse of the Land Based Greenland Ice Sheet? Maybe?!

Global dimming is the significant reduction in sunlight reaching Earth's surface, caused by increased air pollution (aerosols like sulfates, soot, and dust) that reflects sunlight back into space. Primarily observed between 1960–1990, it has historically masked the full impact of global warming by providing a temporary cooling effect.
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Key Aspects of Global Dimming:

• Cause: Primarily, the release of sulfur dioxide, black carbon, and other aerosols from burning fossil fuels and biomass, which act as "mirrors" in the atmosphere and alter cloud reflectivity.
• Masking Effect: The cooling effect of aerosols has hidden roughly
  0.5∘C
  to
  1∘C
  of potential warming, meaning actual global temperatures would be higher without this pollution.
• The "Dimming Paradox": As nations reduce pollution to improve air quality, this cooling mask is removed, which may lead to an acceleration of global warming (a,transition sometimes called "[!nav]global brightening[!/nav]").
• Environmental Impact: It alters the hydrological cycle by reducing evaporation, contributing to droughts (e.g., in the Sahel) and affecting monsoon patterns.
• Reversal: Since the 1990s, air quality improvements in some regions have led to a "global brightening" trend, although dimming continues in developing industrial regions.
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While global dimming provides temporary cooling, it is not a solution to climate change, as the pollutants involved also cause severe health issues, acid rain, and environmental disruption

 

[Crepitus]

Green Party Leader Ms. Elizabeth May campaigned in Central-Nova, [where I lived at that time]. I sent her a copy of my 2008 campaign writing and she replied essentially to me


I had planned to vote for her opponent M. P. Peter MacKay but I knew that her response to my campaign writing had set me up to really do something relevant to this alternative theory on how best to address climate change, so I voted for her, and after that I had little choice but to move closer to Canada's Political Left.




My voting for Green Party Leader Ms. Elizabeth May back in 2008 has set the stage for me to become more vocal as a member of Canada's N. D. P.

Thread 'If Canada elects Ms. Heather McPherson as Prime Minister could she STOP TRUMP.....'

Feb 17, 2026

If Canada's NDP were to elect Ms. Heather McPherson as their national leader and future Prime Minister of Canada, could she STOP TRUMP from luring Alberta into the allegorical - metaphorical sports car that Actor Richard Gere lured Ms. Julia Roberts into in the film "Pretty Woman?"

Pretty Woman (1990) Trailer #1 | Movieclips Classic Trailers​

I could be incorrect... I often am... but I saw an online image a few years ago that got my attention and I knew that this same image had many intelligent members of the USA CIA, FBI, NSA and even the "Military Industrial...

• DennisPTate
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• Forum: Canada

And I'm sure she's correct. It's just one part of the needed response.

 

[Crepitus]

The exspense of the many part has been predicted many times by your “scientists “ over the past fifty years. They failed every single time.

Well that's a lie.

 

[IM2]

I believe that it was an extremely good thing that President Donald J. Trump has eliminated the "Obama- Era Climate Policies."

I personally believe that the Obama-Era Climate Policies were intellectually dishonest and basically set up the theme for the Bill Gates lecture "Innovating to zero" that was one of the worst ideas that I have ever heard elaborated on in a major political lecture by a famous and influential person during my sixty six years.

I have reason to believe that Mr. Al Gore's film "An Inconvenient Truth" was intellectually dishonest. Mr. Al Gore left us with the impression that a Carbon Tax could be useful in preventing a potentially catastrophic rise in ocean levels but I believe that powerful evidence exists that Mr. Al Gore was incorrect in leaving us with that impression.

Trump eliminates Obama-era climate policies​

Here is a question related to the world's most extreme tidal waters?

"Physics question related to the geography of the Bay of Fundy?"

"If average ocean levels were to rise by ten centimeters.... .would
the multiplier effect of the geography of the Bay of Fundy continue?

The fact that the Bay of Fundy funnels tidal waters plus......
it is over 170 miles long, (274 kms), it produces high tide level that are tenX to fifteenX over the difference in tidal waters where I live.

So... could high tide levels near TRuro, N. S. to Moncton, N. B. be up by a meter or more if average ocean levels were to rise by ten centimeters?" [Dennis Tate, March 7, 2021]

Thread 'The Geography of the Bay of Fundy and a proverbial Climate Change "Canary in the coal mine?"'

Jan 17, 2026

Am I wrong to believe that rising ocean levels will happen first and foremost along the Bay of Fundy between the Canadian provinces of New Brunswick and Nova Scotia and the USA State of Maine?


"Physics question related to the geography of the Bay of Fundy?"

"If average ocean levels were to rise by ten centimeters.... .would
the multiplier effect of the geography of the Bay of Fundy continue?

The fact that the Bay of Fundy funnels tidal waters plus......
it is over 170 miles long, (274 kms), it produces high tide level that are tenX to fifteenX over the difference in tidal waters...

• DennisPTate
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• Forum: Science and Technology

Is it true that the ADDITION of H2O to Antarctica has kept ocean levels relatively stable not only for the past decades but actually for many centuries?





I feel that the entire article by Mr. Gershom Gale is relevant to the truth on this question?

Another stupid move by this administration.

 

[DennisPTate]

Another stupid move by this administration.

Could you please explain why that is so?

I love the idea of the Trump administration diverting ten million Israelis and a billion Islamic neighbours toward the alternative theory of stabilization of the climate through turning deserts green.

[Carl Cantrell ] :
"So how is our problem of continental drying causing global warming? It all has to do with vegetation and sunlight. When sun light hits a plant, it causes a process which we call photosynthesis where the energy from the sun light creates oxygen for us to breathe, water for us to drink, and is stored as sugar for plants and animals to use. When the same sun light hits the soil, all of its energy turns into heat and is radiated back into the atmosphere.. ."

"Therefore, the less vegetation you have on the planet, the more sunlight is being turned into heat and the warmer the planet becomes...."

"Just take a look at any satellite picture of the earth showing heat and you will see that our deserts are the warmest spots on the planet by far. More heat is being generated by just one of the top four or five deserts than by all of our cities combined.... "

"The truth is that you can do more to decrease global warming by just reducing the average temperature for the Sahara Desert by one or two degrees than if we humans completely quit using fossil fuels and returned to the cave…."

"So, how would you start working to resolve this problem? Easy, cool the deserts and get some vegetation growing on them as soon as possible. But the method is much more complex than that. You have to use the prevailing trade winds in relation to the deserts to get the best results as quickly as possible and it will be extremely expensive…."

"Then we build desalination plants along the coast near these water sheds and pipe water to the tops or ridges of the water sheds…"

"We need to start working on this as soon as possible because, if the planet reaches a point to where it is warming faster than our technology can possibly stop or reverse this warming trend, then our planet is lost and all life will cease to exist on this planet within a relatively short period of time. We will need to start with the largest and hottest deserts because cooling them will have the greatest benefit in the least time (Global Warming II by biologist Carl Cantrell)."

 

[IM2]

Could you please explain why that is so?

I love the idea of the Trump administration diverting ten million Israelis and a billion Islamic neighbours toward the alternative theory of stabilization of the climate through turning deserts green.

Because we are looking at increasingly serious storms, fires, floods, and other weather events. Just because you don't see a bunch of natural disasters every day doesn't mean nothing is happening. The rest of the world is working on ways to mitigate the damage, and America is stuck on stupid with this idiot president. You live in Canada; if you love what Trump is doing so much, move here. If you cannot, and you continue living under the very socialism and climate change policies you cheer for us to erase, STFU.

You love the idea of us starting a war and Americans fighting something your country will not hve to fight. You are a coward. If you want all these things, go to Ottawa and petition your government to do them. If you want to see a desert turn green, tell your prime minister to send the Canadian my to do it. If you want to see bombs dropped on Iran, demand that the Canadian air force drop them. If you can't do that, as I said in the previous paragraph, STFU.

 

[DennisPTate]

Because we are looking at increasingly serious storms, fires, floods, and other weather events. Just because you don't see a bunch of natural disasters every day doesn't mean nothing is happening. The rest of the world is working on ways to mitigate the damage, and America is stuck on stupid with this idiot president. You live in Canada; if you love what Trump is doing so much, move here. If you cannot, and you continue living under the very socialism and climate change policies you cheer for us to erase, STFU.

You love the idea of us starting a war and Americans fighting something your country will not hve to fight. You are a coward. If you want all these things, go to Ottawa and petition your government to do them. If you want to see a desert turn green, tell your prime minister to send the Canadian my to do it. If you want to see bombs dropped on Iran, demand that the Canadian air force drop them. If you can't do that, as I said in the previous paragraph, STFU.

Thank you for giving me a logical answer. I have to admit that an online friend of mine got me really thinking about where this is all leading several years ago.

I think that you will like what he wrote:

AboveAlpha said:

We have passed a THRESHOLD as no matter what we do we have gone BEYOND THE POINT OF A FIX as far as CLIMATE CHANGE.

NOTHING we do from this point on will stop the melting of the Northern and Southern Polar Sea Ice and the Greenland Glaciers.

Here in lies the problem and if you want to learn more run a search on this.....CDIAC.....CARBON DIOXIDE INFORMATION ANALYSIS CENTER.

The CDIAC is a part of the U.S. DOE...DEPT. OF ENERGY'S OFFICE OF SCIENCE at Oak Ridge National Labs.

If you watch the top of the web page there is a chart and every 20 to 30 seconds or so the CHART CHANGES and will give you the WORLD'S MOST ACCURATE AND UNBIASED DATA concerning CO2, CH4...which is METHANE which exists at the bottom of all Earth's Ocean's Arctic Lakes and within Permafrost and Tundra and CH4 holds in HEAT in our Atmosphere at a rate of approx.71 TIMES GREATER THAN CO2

The CH4 at the bottom of the Oceans and in Permafrost and Arctic Lakes exists as CH4 GEL or Methane Gel.

The Human generated emmisions of CO2 have warmed up the Earth's Ocean's and thus Air to a point that is CAUSING THE GEL FORM CH4 TO BUBBLE UP AND OUT INTO OUR ATMOSPHERE AS METHANE GAS!!!

This is how DIRE the problem is....the U.S. DOE's Office of Science's CDIAC is the ONLY DATA the U.S. Military considers to be trustworthy and viable thus this data is imputted into either Banked and Networked IBM Supercomputers or is imputted into the U.S. Military's new QUANTUM COMPUTERS for ONE SOLE PURPOSE!!!

That purpose is TO PLAN FOR THE EVENTUALITY OF WORLDWIDE WAR OVER RESOURCES!!!

What is going to happen and NOT MAYBE HAPPEN but WILL HAPPEN is this......when too much FRSH WATER is dumped into the NORTH ATLANTIC CURRENT or GULF STREAM which is a OCEAN WATER HEAT EXCHANGE SYSTEM.....as Warm Gulf of Mexico Water in a very strong current flows around the tip of Florida and up North up the East Coast and then angles across the Atlantic Ocean to the British Isles...which is by the U.K. which is further North than Massachusetts has much milder winters......

.....well the WARM WATER is LIGHTER and travels upon the top of the bottom COLD WATER THERMOCLINE....which is the COLD WATER flowing from the Arctic Ocean around Greenland and above the U.K. as this colder heavier water flows underneither the warmer lighter water coming up from the Gulf of Mexico......

......well there will come a day....SOON.....when the Earth has warmed up just a single degree to much and this will cause so much Polar and Greenland FRESH WATER ICE MELT....as the ICE that covers Greenland and the North Polar Arctic Ocean is FRESH WATER.....and because it is FRESH WATER....IT IS LIGHTER THAN OCEAN SALT WATER........

.......because of this when too much LIGHTER FRESH WATER MELTS AND IS DUMPED INTO THE NORTH ATLANTIC....as it is cold water but NOT SALT WATER....IT WILL WEIGH ROUGHLY ABOUT THE SAME WEIGHT AS THE WARM SALT WATER THAT IS FLOWING UP FROM THE GULF OF MEXICO AROUND THE TIP OF FLORIDA AND UP NORTH AND ACROSS THE ATLANTIC.

When this happens the Cold but FRESH WATER melted from Global Warming will STALL THE WARM SALT WATER TRAVELING NORTH FROM THE GULF OF MEXICO.

Thus warm water will stop flowing NORTH and the COLD WATER will STOP FLOWING SOUTH....as the COLD WATER will reach a point of desalinization so that it weighs the same as the WARM SALT WATER TRYING TO TRAVEL NORTH.

This will STALL THE NORTH ATLANTIC CURRENT'S HEAT TRANSFER SYSTEM!!!

And GUESS what happens next??

Have you ever watched the movie THE DAY AFTER TOMMORROW????

If you have....then you understand.

AboveAlpha

Zone1 Thread 'Was my online friend WRONG about where Climate Change is leading?'

Jan 31, 2026

I promised AboveAlpha that I would not tell our mutual friends online that he had an IQ of 172.

Once he disappeared off the discussion forum where I met him I no longer felt bound to my promise to him.

For the record, AboveAlpha left several of us with the question on our minds if he might perhaps be The Robert O'Neil???

I am ninety nine percent certain that The Robert O'Neil WILL NOT MIND if people start to wonder if he is the guy with an IQ of 172 or so?

For the record I was told after I wrote the SAT that my IQ was 118. That was back when I was twenty or twenty one years old, [1980]...

• DennisPTate
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• Forum: Clean Debate Zone

• 

I and some online friends began to promote deliberately turning deserts green back in 2007. I did not believe that the Al Gore Carbon Tax plan would work.

Thread 'My 2007 submission for $25 million "Virgin Earth Challenge?"'

Nov 10, 2025

I have been told that my 2007 submission for the twenty five million dollar "Virgin Earth Challenge" was quite funny.

I have to plead guilty that that was one of my major objectives. I felt a duty at that time to get people to think outside of the little green, or red, or orange or blue political box that BigMedia seemed to be cramming all of us Canadians down into?

I believe that fairly good humour can be fairly serious all at the same time. That was indeed my objective. Do you think that this writing is both funny as well as basically serious or accurate?

"Today, Sir Richard...

• DennisPTate
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• Forum: Humor

• 

 

[DennisPTate]

And I'm sure she's correct. It's just one part of the needed response.

On this we agree but I believe that sincere believers in climate change should admit that it is possible to assist President Donald J. Trump to win that Nobel Peace Prize that he wants to have for improving the situation in the Middle East.

People who actually take climate change seriously can easily come up with a method that President Trump and his administration could be on board with, [but not with a Carbon Tax or the type of approach that President Obama and his team took toward stabilization of the climate]?

Thread 'Turn deserts green as alternative theory on stabilization of the climate?'

Nov 8, 2025

My online friend Carl Cantrell has an alternative theory on stabilization of the climate that struck me as being exceptionally insightful and because it sounds a lot like statements in Isaiah chapter thirty five this is potentially not as divisive as the Al Gore, Carbon Tax Theory that practically put America into something of an intellectual Civil War.

We know that astonishingly good technology now exists to desalinate sea water on a massive scale. Obviously every cubic meter of sea water that is desalinated and ends up replenishing a depleted underground aquifer in a nation that has...

• DennisPTate
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• Forum: Environment

• 

[Carl Cantrell]

"So how is our problem of continental drying causing global warming? It all has to do with vegetation and sunlight. When sun light hits a plant, it causes a process which we call photosynthesis where the energy from the sun light creates oxygen for us to breathe, water for us to drink, and is stored as sugar for plants and animals to use. When the same sun light hits the soil, all of its energy turns into heat and is radiated back into the atmosphere.. ."

"Therefore, the less vegetation you have on the planet, the more sunlight is being turned into heat and the warmer the planet becomes...."

"Just take a look at any satellite picture of the earth showing heat and you will see that our deserts are the warmest spots on the planet by far. More heat is being generated by just one of the top four or five deserts than by all of our cities combined.... "

"The truth is that you can do more to decrease global warming by just reducing the average temperature for the Sahara Desert by one or two degrees than if we humans completely quit using fossil fuels and returned to the cave…."

"So, how would you start working to resolve this problem? Easy, cool the deserts and get some vegetation growing on them as soon as possible. But the method is much more complex than that. You have to use the prevailing trade winds in relation to the deserts to get the best results as quickly as possible and it will be extremely expensive…."

"Then we build desalination plants along the coast near these water sheds and pipe water to the tops or ridges of the water sheds…"

"We need to start working on this as soon as possible because, if the planet reaches a point to where it is warming faster than our technology can possibly stop or reverse this warming trend, then our planet is lost and all life will cease to exist on this planet within a relatively short period of time. We will need to start with the largest and hottest deserts because cooling them will have the greatest benefit in the least time (Global Warming II by biologist Carl Cantrell)."

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Somethings just needed killing.

 

[DennisPTate]

Somethings just needed killing.

Exactly!

The level of intellectual dishonesty behind the Al Gore Carbon Tax was actually kind of mind boggling.

 

[Crepitus]

On this we agree but I believe that sincere believers in climate change should admit that it is possible to assist President Donald J. Trump to win that Nobel Peace Prize that he wants to have for improving the situation in the Middle East.

People who actually take climate change seriously can easily come up with a method that President Trump and his administration could be on board with, [but not with a Carbon Tax or the type of approach that President Obama and his team took toward stabilization of the climate]?

Thread 'Turn deserts green as alternative theory on stabilization of the climate?'

Nov 8, 2025

My online friend Carl Cantrell has an alternative theory on stabilization of the climate that struck me as being exceptionally insightful and because it sounds a lot like statements in Isaiah chapter thirty five this is potentially not as divisive as the Al Gore, Carbon Tax Theory that practically put America into something of an intellectual Civil War.

We know that astonishingly good technology now exists to desalinate sea water on a massive scale. Obviously every cubic meter of sea water that is desalinated and ends up replenishing a depleted underground aquifer in a nation that has...

• DennisPTate
• Replies: 131
• Forum: Environment

• 

tRump isn't improving the situtation in the middle east in any way, shape, or form unless your name is Netanyahu.

 

[EMH]

It seemed that the elimination of jet trails for several days led to significant warming in the continental USA. The jet stream takes the soot, ash and dust from industry over certain areas and decreases the amount of solar energy able to hit the earth much as a major volcanic eruption can set in motion a Cooling trend for a number of years or even decades.

I really don't agree with that. The Sun's energy gets stuck in the atmosphere instead of the ground, but it is still "here."


The fallacy of trying to ascribe local weather change to a planetary change is filled with pitfalls, the worst being Greenland froze while North America thawed at the same time.


You can take 20 million temperature measurements on certain parts of Earth and try to sum them together... or fudge them as the "climate scientists" are so very notorious for doing. But that is still a local measure. If you just measured from North America in the past million years, you'd scream "warming!!!" But if you did the same thing on Greenland, you'd scream "cooling!! ice age!!!"

This is why surface air pressure is actually the best way to measure the whole planet, since it is a planetary measure, not a local one.

You've seen the charts showing Mars SAP correlates with distance from Sun = temperature of planet


If Earth was experiencing an ongoing net ice melt and warming, and the two actually go together, there would be a rather sharp increase in Earth SAP.

There is not. You can get all worked up over methane and chem trails and black ice all you want. You just need this to realize NOTHING they say has any truth at all...

Earth SAP is NOT RISING = Earth NOT warming = Earth not experiencing any ongoing net ice melt at all

It is difficult to conclude with the limited data sample and the variance that there is indeed a decrease in SAP, but we can conclude it is either flat or flat/down, but not UP. If it is not UP at all in the past 60 years


Earth has not warmed AT ALL during the past 60 years
Earth has not lost any ice AT ALL net net during the past 60 years

 

[EMH]

Because we are looking at increasingly serious storms, fires, floods, and other weather events. Just because you don't see a bunch of natural disasters every day doesn't mean nothing is happening. The rest of the world is working on ways to mitigate the damage, and America is stuck on stupid with this idiot president. You live in Canada; if you love what Trump is doing so much, move here. If you cannot, and you continue living under the very socialism and climate change policies you cheer for us to erase, STFU.

You love the idea of us starting a war and Americans fighting something your country will not hve to fight. You are a coward. If you want all these things, go to Ottawa and petition your government to do them. If you want to see a desert turn green, tell your prime minister to send the Canadian my to do it. If you want to see bombs dropped on Iran, demand that the Canadian air force drop them. If you can't do that, as I said in the previous paragraph, STFU.

The first question of climate change on planet Earth:

Why does one polar circle, the Antarctic, have 9+ times the ice of the other, the Arctic?




run away, science really isn't a good place to start tossing cards...

 

[DennisPTate]

I really don't agree with that. The Sun's energy gets stuck in the atmosphere instead of the ground, but it is still "here."


The fallacy of trying to ascribe local weather change to a planetary change is filled with pitfalls, the worst being Greenland froze while North America thawed at the same time.


You can take 20 million temperature measurements on certain parts of Earth and try to sum them together... or fudge them as the "climate scientists" are so very notorious for doing. But that is still a local measure. If you just measured from North America in the past million years, you'd scream "warming!!!" But if you did the same thing on Greenland, you'd scream "cooling!! ice age!!!"

This is why surface air pressure is actually the best way to measure the whole planet, since it is a planetary measure, not a local one.

You've seen the charts showing Mars SAP correlates with distance from Sun = temperature of planet


If Earth was experiencing an ongoing net ice melt and warming, and the two actually go together, there would be a rather sharp increase in Earth SAP.

There is not. You can get all worked up over methane and chem trails and black ice all you want. You just need this to realize NOTHING they say has any truth at all...

Earth SAP is NOT RISING = Earth NOT warming = Earth not experiencing any ongoing net ice melt at all

It is difficult to conclude with the limited data sample and the variance that there is indeed a decrease in SAP, but we can conclude it is either flat or flat/down, but not UP. If it is not UP at all in the past 60 years


Earth has not warmed AT ALL during the past 60 years
Earth has not lost any ice AT ALL net net during the past 60 years

You could be correct. It is a decade or more since I researched The Global Dimming Effect. I will try to find something about it that may be helpful.

The grounding of all commercial aircraft in the United States for three days following the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks provided a unique, unintended "climate experiment" that offered striking evidence for the Global Dimming effect.


The 9/11 "Contrail Effect" Study
Researchers, most notably a team led by David Travis of the University of Wisconsin-Whitewater, used the flight hiatus to study how aircraft contrails (condensation trails) affect the Earth's temperature.
PBS +1

• Temperature Shift: During the three-day grounding, the Diurnal Temperature Range (DTR)—the difference between the daytime high and nighttime low—increased by approximately 1.1°C (2°F) across the continental U.S..
• Mechanism: Without contrails to act as artificial clouds, days became warmer because more sunlight reached the surface (reduction in "dimming"), and nights became cooler because more heat escaped into space.
• Comparison: This spike in the temperature range was the largest observed in 30 years.

Scientific Debate and Challenges
While the initial study published in Nature was groundbreaking, its findings have been debated by other scientists:
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• Weather Conditions: Subsequent research suggested that the unusually clear, dry weather across the U.S. during those three days might have accounted for much of the temperature range increase, rather than just the absence of contrails.
• Sample Size: Some critics argue that a three-day window is too small a sample size to draw definitive long-term conclusions about global climate patterns.
• Net Effect: While the 9/11 data showed contrails affect DTR, scientists still debate their net effect on global warming. Most believe contrails have a net warming effect by trapping more heat at night than they reflect during the day.
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Connection to Global Dimming
This event is often cited as a key piece of evidence for the theory of Global Dimming—the idea that particulate pollution and aerosols from human activity (like jet exhaust) reflect sunlight and have been partially masking the full extent of global warming. The rapid temperature jump after 9/11 suggested that if we were to suddenly stop all pollution, the Earth might warm even faster than currently predicted