Savage Rants

[mattskramer]

I was listening to Michael Savage (or whatever his last name is) on my way home from work. (I listen to him for comic relief.) He is so full of himself. Listening to him cut callers off and insult them off the phone is like seeing a baby throw a temper tantrum.

Anyway, the topic was the military “don’t ask – don’t tell” policy. The caller said that such a policy should be discontinued and that homosexuals should be just as open about their sexual preference as are heterosexuals. Michael asked him what would happen if a gay soldier came onto a straight person in the shower. The reply was that the gay guy would probably get his ass kicked and that a suit would follow. The last question was along the line of “Who would be the winner?”

The show went to a commercial and then on to a different topic. I was surprised to not hear Michael yell and throw insults at the caller. Anyway, sometimes I wish that I had called on such topics. After I think back to how discourteously and unreasonably Michael has treated other insightful people, I’m glad that I don’t call.

First of all, I hold gay and straight soldiers with more respect. I doubt that the gay guy would have sexually assaulted the straight guy or that the straight guy would have beat up the gay guy. I remember when a gay guy propositioned me. He even put his hand on my shoulder. I politely backed away and said that I was not interested. He backed away and left.

Secondarily, I would have said, “Yes. Let gays be just as open as straight people are open about their sexual preference…oh…Tailhook…perhaps they should not be as open.” I would have loved to hear Mike’s reply to such a comment.

Look. Sexual harassment is sexual harassment no matter if it involves people of the same sex or of the opposite sex. If someone keeps pushing you for sex, then file a complaint. Perhaps the straight soldiers have some insecurity about their sexual identity. They may feel uncomfortable living in close quarters with a gay person. I think that there are ways to work around it and still have team cohesion if such problems would come up. Homosexuals supposedly comprise only 1 or 2 percent of the population anyway, so get a grip – and tell Michael Savage to do the same – before he blows a gasket.

 

[Mr. P]

I was listening to Michael Savage (or whatever his last name is) on my way home from work. (I listen to him for comic relief.) He is so full of himself. Listening to him cut callers off and insult them off the phone is like seeing a baby throw a temper tantrum.

Anyway, the topic was the military “don’t ask – don’t tell” policy. The caller said that such a policy should be discontinued and that homosexuals should be just as open about their sexual preference as are heterosexuals. Michael asked him what would happen if a gay soldier came onto a straight person in the shower. The reply was that the gay guy would probably get his ass kicked and that a suit would follow. The last question was along the line of “Who would be the winner?”

The show went to a commercial and then on to a different topic. I was surprised to not hear Michael yell and throw insults at the caller. Anyway, sometimes I wish that I had called on such topics. After I think back to how discourteously and unreasonably Michael has treated other insightful people, I’m glad that I don’t call.

First of all, I hold gay and straight soldiers with more respect. I doubt that the gay guy would have sexually assaulted the straight guy or that the straight guy would have beat up the gay guy. I remember when a gay guy propositioned me. He even put his hand on my shoulder. I politely backed away and said that I was not interested. He backed away and left.

Secondarily, I would have said, “Yes. Let gays be just as open as straight people are open about their sexual preference…oh…Tailhook…perhaps they should not be as open.” I would have loved to hear Mike’s reply to such a comment.

Look. Sexual harassment is sexual harassment no matter if it involves people of the same sex or of the opposite sex. If someone keeps pushing you for sex, then file a complaint. Perhaps the straight soldiers have some insecurity about their sexual identity. They may feel uncomfortable living in close quarters with a gay person. I think that there are ways to work around it and still have team cohesion if such problems would come up. Homosexuals supposedly comprise only 1 or 2 percent of the population anyway, so get a grip – and tell Michael Savage to do the same – before he blows a gasket.

Yo Matt! I could a give shit what he or anyone else thinks..got a problem with him? Pick the phone up an call him yer damn self! Whimp!

 

[rtwngAvngr]

I was listening to Michael Savage (or whatever his last name is) on my way home from work. (I listen to him for comic relief.) He is so full of himself. Listening to him cut callers off and insult them off the phone is like seeing a baby throw a temper tantrum.

Anyway, the topic was the military “don’t ask – don’t tell” policy. The caller said that such a policy should be discontinued and that homosexuals should be just as open about their sexual preference as are heterosexuals. Michael asked him what would happen if a gay soldier came onto a straight person in the shower. The reply was that the gay guy would probably get his ass kicked and that a suit would follow. The last question was along the line of “Who would be the winner?”

The show went to a commercial and then on to a different topic. I was surprised to not hear Michael yell and throw insults at the caller. Anyway, sometimes I wish that I had called on such topics. After I think back to how discourteously and unreasonably Michael has treated other insightful people, I’m glad that I don’t call.

First of all, I hold gay and straight soldiers with more respect. I doubt that the gay guy would have sexually assaulted the straight guy or that the straight guy would have beat up the gay guy. I remember when a gay guy propositioned me. He even put his hand on my shoulder. I politely backed away and said that I was not interested. He backed away and left.

Secondarily, I would have said, “Yes. Let gays be just as open as straight people are open about their sexual preference…oh…Tailhook…perhaps they should not be as open.” I would have loved to hear Mike’s reply to such a comment.

Look. Sexual harassment is sexual harassment no matter if it involves people of the same sex or of the opposite sex. If someone keeps pushing you for sex, then file a complaint. Perhaps the straight soldiers have some insecurity about their sexual identity. They may feel uncomfortable living in close quarters with a gay person. I think that there are ways to work around it and still have team cohesion if such problems would come up. Homosexuals supposedly comprise only 1 or 2 percent of the population anyway, so get a grip – and tell Michael Savage to do the same – before he blows a gasket.

actually matt, the question was "who would win the lawsuit which would follow IF the straight gay punched the gay guy?". the question wasn't who would win the fight.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

IT was the ONLY time I have been able to digest Savage for any length of time.

I agree with him completely.

Imagine you have a staff seargent who is gay. How many do you think he could coerce into sex? I mean, YOUNG 18 year old bright eyed KIDS. Its ripe for abuse.

You do realize that a vast majority of homosexuals have their first sexual experience as a teen with an adult who preys on them?

Do you realize the damage ONE staff seargent or higher could inflict by coercing kids into sex with him????

Look at the catholic church, the gays pushed and pushed for homosexual priests, now they are having all the molestation scandals.

Do you really want that in our military?

Talihook only subscribes to MEN only in the military.

Same with the boy scouts, Gay leaders create problems and molestations. They shouldnt be there.

ITs working fine with Dont ask, dont tell.

The LIARS at the yale law school will look for 0ther reasons to stop recruiters from coming onto their campus if they were to ever win this one.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

I was listening to Michael Savage (or whatever his last name is) on my way home from work. (I listen to him for comic relief.) He is so full of himself. Listening to him cut callers off and insult them off the phone is like seeing a baby throw a temper tantrum.

Anyway, the topic was the military “don’t ask – don’t tell” policy. The caller said that such a policy should be discontinued and that homosexuals should be just as open about their sexual preference as are heterosexuals. Michael asked him what would happen if a gay soldier came onto a straight person in the shower. The reply was that the gay guy would probably get his ass kicked and that a suit would follow. The last question was along the line of “Who would be the winner?”

The show went to a commercial and then on to a different topic. I was surprised to not hear Michael yell and throw insults at the caller. Anyway, sometimes I wish that I had called on such topics. After I think back to how discourteously and unreasonably Michael has treated other insightful people, I’m glad that I don’t call.

First of all, I hold gay and straight soldiers with more respect. I doubt that the gay guy would have sexually assaulted the straight guy or that the straight guy would have beat up the gay guy. I remember when a gay guy propositioned me. He even put his hand on my shoulder. I politely backed away and said that I was not interested. He backed away and left.

Secondarily, I would have said, “Yes. Let gays be just as open as straight people are open about their sexual preference…oh…Tailhook…perhaps they should not be as open.” I would have loved to hear Mike’s reply to such a comment.

Look. Sexual harassment is sexual harassment no matter if it involves people of the same sex or of the opposite sex. If someone keeps pushing you for sex, then file a complaint. Perhaps the straight soldiers have some insecurity about their sexual identity. They may feel uncomfortable living in close quarters with a gay person. I think that there are ways to work around it and still have team cohesion if such problems would come up. Homosexuals supposedly comprise only 1 or 2 percent of the population anyway, so get a grip – and tell Michael Savage to do the same – before he blows a gasket.

Then why shouldn't they put all the men, gay or not, and all the women, gay or not, ALTOGETHER into the same barracks, in beds side by side, the same showers, etc.?

Do you think that would be acceptable to most people? If not, why not?

 

[archangel]

I also believe it has been working quite well...for the life of me I cannot understand why the Gay community keeps pushing this issue...if they continue it just may go retrograde and disallow them from the military altogether...and I agree with Mr.P... Matt if ya have a complaint with Michael Savage address him find your cahunas!

 

[ScreamingEagle]

I also believe it has been working quite well...for the life of me I cannot understand why the Gay community keeps pushing this issue...if they continue it just may go retrograde and disallow them from the military altogether...and I agree with Mr.P... Matt if ya have a complaint with Michael Savage address him find your cahunas!

The gay community continues to push this issue because the gay community is basically a puppet to the puppet master behind the scenes - the Far Left - the socialists/communists/anarchists. The Far Left is just using gays to reach its own goals. One of their goals is to weaken and destroy the military.

Once the gays are no longer useful, the Far Left will just run over them with a

 

[archangel]

The gay community continues to push this issue because the gay community is basically a puppet to the puppet master behind the scenes - the Far Left - the socialists/communists/anarchists. The Far Left is just using gays to reach its own goals. One of their goals is to weaken and destroy the military.

Once the gays are no longer useful, the Far Left will just run over them with a

could not have said it better!

 

[mattskramer]

(1) I though that since the military has not been meeting its enlistment quotas, it should at least ease up on the “don’t ask – don’t tell policy”. This would be one way to at least keep the soldiers that it has. (If someone is found to be gay, such a discovery should not result in the gay’s immediate dismissal.) Men have their barracks and women have their barracks. Gays can stay with men and Lesbians can stay with women. I would have no problem with rooming with a homosexual. I would simply ask him to leave me alone. I think that practically all soldiers would feel the same way – at least the stable and responsible ones.

(2) Luv – You seem to be mixing different behaviors. There is child molestation, there is sexual behavior among adults, and there is sexual harassment. I think that the youngest soldier is considered as an adult – old enough to give informed consent. Therefore, the 2 things at issue are sexual harassment and consensual sex. No matter what sexual orientation is involved, if a superior officer continues to pressure a subordinate for sex after the subordinate has said “No”, then the superior officer should be punished.

(3) My choosing not to call Savage is not due to any lack of “cahunas”. Calling him would simply be a foolish thing to do. Based from my hearing him treat previous callers, it is clear to me that he can’t keep up with rational and logical people. Once he sees that he is loosing a “battle of wits” he let’s loose with emotionally driven rants, hangs up on callers, and then berates them.

That is one big reason why I like boards such at this one. Hosts allow people who have vastly different viewpoints the time and space to post comments. The monitors do very little, if any editing or removing of rational and intelligent messages. They don’t “hang up on callers” even if they disagree with the caller’s message.

 

[Annie]

(1) I though that since the military has not been meeting its enlistment quotas, it should at least ease up on the “don’t ask – don’t tell policy”. This would be one way to at least keep the soldiers that it has. (If someone is found to be gay, such a discovery should not result in the gay’s immediate dismissal.) Men have their barracks and women have their barracks. Gays can stay with men and Lesbians can stay with women. I would have no problem with rooming with a homosexual. I would simply ask him to leave me alone. I think that practically all soldiers would feel the same way – at least the stable and responsible ones.

The reenlistment goals have been WAY surpassed and discussed in detail. That's your job.

(2) Luv – You seem to be mixing different behaviors. There is child molestation, there is sexual behavior among adults, and there is sexual harassment. I think that the youngest soldier is considered as an adult – old enough to give informed consent. Therefore, the 2 things at issue are sexual harassment and consensual sex. No matter what sexual orientation is involved, if a superior officer continues to pressure a subordinate for sex after the subordinate has said “No”, then the superior officer should be punished.

(3) My choosing not to call Savage is not due to any lack of “cahunas”. Calling him would simply be a foolish thing to do. Based from my hearing him treat previous callers, it is clear to me that he can’t keep up with rational and logical people. Once he sees that he is loosing a “battle of wits” he let’s loose with emotionally driven rants, hangs up on callers, and then berates them.

That is one big reason why I like boards such at this one. Hosts allow people who have vastly different viewpoints the time and space to post comments. The monitors do very little, if any editing or removing of rational and intelligent messages. They don’t “hang up on callers” even if they disagree with the caller’s message.

 

[dmp]

Good to see you Matt!

I served with two men who confessed their homosexual addictions to me; never propositioning, just sharing because we got pretty close.

I'd die for or with those men...no questions asked. What I liked and respected about those guys was this: They were NO more proud or open about their sexuality than anyone. The problem is gays are NEVER 'just as open about their sexuality as heterosexuals.' Homosexuals want to shove their sexuality in the face of society; Homosexuals allow themselves to be defined by their behaviour.

that's the problem.

Was serving with those two men a problem for me? Never. Nope. And they had relative success in their careers because they understood the problems they could cause if they proclaimed their behaviour.

 

[Annie]

Good to see you Matt!

I served with two men who confessed their homosexual addictions to me; never propositioning, just sharing because we got pretty close.

I'd die for or with those men...no questions asked. What I liked and respected about those guys was this: They were NO more proud or open about their sexuality than anyone. The problem is gays are NEVER 'just as open about their sexuality as heterosexuals.' Homosexuals want to shove their sexuality in the face of society; Homosexuals allow themselves to be defined by their behaviour.

that's the problem.

Was serving with those two men a problem for me? Never. Nope. And they had relative success in their careers because they understood the problems they could cause if they proclaimed their behaviour.

Agreed. You are coming at it from the military pov, I'm from the education pov. Keep one's mouth shut, that's all it takes. BTW, I've never said one word about my sex life at school and I'm hetero.

 

[mattskramer]

Agreed. You are coming at it from the military pov, I'm from the education pov. Keep one's mouth shut, that's all it takes. BTW, I've never said one word about my sex life at school and I'm hetero.

Okay, whether or not quotas are being met, the military should try to keep more of its people. What should happen to soldiers that are discovered to be gay? What if someone finds an online profile made by a gay soldier or what if someone, by casually eavesdropping on a private conversation discovers that a soldier is gay?

Too bad, Charlie but you are outa here!
No. It just shouldn’t be that way.

 

[Mr. P]

Okay, whether or not quotas are being met, the military should try to keep more of its people. What should happen to soldiers that are discovered to be gay? What if someone finds an online profile made by a gay soldier or what if someone, by casually eavesdropping on a private conversation discovers that a soldier is gay?

Too bad, Charlie but you are outa here!
No. It just shouldn’t be that way.

Why not? If you look at it as the military being an employer, why can’t they dictate their standards? Nothing wrong with that as far as I'm concerned.
They know what they need and what they don't need.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

(1) I though that since the military has not been meeting its enlistment quotas, it should at least ease up on the “don’t ask – don’t tell policy”. This would be one way to at least keep the soldiers that it has. (If someone is found to be gay, such a discovery should not result in the gay’s immediate dismissal.)

(2) Luv – You seem to be mixing different behaviors. There is child molestation, there is sexual behavior among adults, and there is sexual harassment. I think that the youngest soldier is considered as an adult – old enough to give informed consent. Therefore, the 2 things at issue are sexual harassment and consensual sex. No matter what sexual orientation is involved, if a superior officer continues to pressure a subordinate for sex after the subordinate has said “No”, then the superior officer should be punished.

somehow I doubt that allowing Homosexuals to announce their gayness is gonna increase the military's enlistment all that much. Or allow them to keep that many more soldiers.

And NO, I dont have anything confused. An 18 year old is technically an adult, but in reality, very young and naive, and could be easy prey for an older officer who is gay. What terrible torture you would be bringing onto so many fine young men who may fall prey to even one predator.

You do realize that most homosexuals have their FIRST sexual encounter as a teen, with AN ADULT homosexual. They get seduced when they are too young to know.

And sexual harrasment OFTEN goes on without being reported, so you want some of that going on with an officer basically forcing a naive 18 year old into sex? It will happen, you want to deny it?

lastly, its FINE the way it is. The military is not the place for social experiments.

 

[mattskramer]

Why not? If you look at it as the military being an employer, why can’t they dictate their standards? Nothing wrong with that as far as I'm concerned.
They know what they need and what they don't need.

I would have no objection if it were a purely private company insignificant to our national security. Such businesses should be free to discriminate as they see fit (on the basis of race, sex, religion, etc). Let the free enterprise system determine if their employment practices are profitable or not.

Being that the military is important to the national defense of America and that it is not a private company, I do object. My tax money does to support this discrimination that I doubt is in the best interest of the military. I think that this “company”, that I am practically required to invest in, would be more successful if it were to at least ease up on the “don’t ask – don’t tell” policy.

 

[mattskramer]

An 18 year old is technically an adult, but in reality, very young and naive, and could be easy prey for an older officer who is gay. What terrible torture you would be bringing onto so many fine young men who may fall prey to even one predator.

If it is not sexual harassment or child abuse, what do you have except consensual sex among adults? There are laws that make contracts and behaviors with children invalid and criminal. We try to protect children in that respect. Once people reach a certain age, we consider them mature enough to make their own decisions and suffer the consequences.

You do realize that most homosexuals have their FIRST sexual encounter as a teen, with AN ADULT homosexual. They get seduced when they are too young to know.

The statistic is meaningless to me. As a reply, it is enough for me to say that sex, heterosexual or heterosexual, with a minor is illegal and should continue to be so. Such people who have sex with CHILDREN should be severely punished.

And sexual harassment OFTEN goes on without being reported, so you want some of that going on with an officer basically forcing a naive 18 year old into sex? It will happen, you want to deny it?

Yep. Sexual harassment often goes on without being reported. No. I don’t what sexual harassment to happen with an officer (male or female) basically forcing someone (male or female) of any age into sex. (Whatever happened with the people of Tailhook?) I doubt that allowing homosexuals to remain in the military, after they are “outed” would result in more sexual harassment.

 

[Mr. P]

I would have no objection if it were a purely private company insignificant to our national security. Such businesses should be free to discriminate as they see fit (on the basis of race, sex, religion, etc). Let the free enterprise system determine if their employment practices are profitable or not.

Being that the military is important to the national defense of America and that it is not a private company, I do object. My tax money does to support this discrimination that I doubt is in the best interest of the military. I think that this “company”, that I am practically required to invest in, would be more successful if it were to at least ease up on the “don’t ask – don’t tell” policy.

So ya want a bunch of pansy ass BUTT BUDDIES defending the Country, just because you pay taxes? Pleeessssssssssssseas. Go back to your knitting, and fondue.

 

[William Joyce]

I knew Matt couldn't resist our charms and would have to return eventually.

:cof:

 

[no1tovote4]

Welcome back Matt.