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[frigidweirdo]

It's simple. There are some facts, known for sure:
1. Two citizens of Russian federation got missed in the UK.
2. Instead of do what they were supposed to do according international regulations (allowing citizens in distress to meet with the representative of their country) HMG tell mad stories about spies and poisons, playing freaking masquerade with protection suits and other bullshit.
3. Instead of making proper investigation, they "found" two "suspicious foreigners" and blamed them (when they already left the country) without any single prove of their guilt.

The simplest explanation (don't forget about Okkam's razor) is obvious. The whole story about poisoning was simply fabricated by some incompetent British storywritter (not even from a CRBN-unit, for they know that Russian codenames for special poisons started with the letter "F" - Fagot, Fiola, Fenomen, etc or that elimination squads consists usually at five saboteurs). Skipals, highly likely were just shoot in their heads by the Brits and buried in some secret location. Then, the Brits just found two suspicious Russians and staged them. The simplest explanations for their "suspicious" behaviour is that they are really sportive "nutrients" traders, and their "nutrients" are really effective (something that WADA may call "doping" if they were knowing about it). They had special relationships with some British sportsmen, and they didn't want to disclosure the personalities of their customers.

And where's your evidence for any of this?

 

[Zavulon]

And where's your evidence for any of this?

There are facts:
1) Two citizens of Russian Federation are missed in the UK.
2) Instead of act as responsible states suppose to act - HMG prefer to tell obvious lie and mad stories. It's not the way how innocent people act.
3) Two other citizens of Russian federation were blamed in capital murder because of the only reason - they were "suspicious foreigners".

I'm not the British government and I'm not going to blame anyone without clear evidence, but the simplest explanation of the facts is that Skripals were murdered by British government. And all that nonsense they produce in the weak attempt to cover their crime, is not supposed even to convince even a minimally critical thinking person. It's can work only with a person already deeply infected and dangerously brain-damaged with Russophobia, a person blindfolded with their hatred enough to lost even very basic understanding of the justice.

 

[frigidweirdo]

There are facts:
1) Two citizens of Russian Federation are missed in the UK.
2) Instead of act as responsible states suppose to act - HMG prefer to tell obvious lie and mad stories. It's not the way how innocent people act.
3) Two other citizens of Russian federation were blamed in capital murder because of the only reason - they were "suspicious foreigners".

I'm not the British government and I'm not going to blame anyone without clear evidence, but the simplest explanation of the facts is that Skripals were murdered by British government. And all that nonsense they produce in the weak attempt to cover their crime, is not supposed even to convince even a minimally critical thinking person. It's can work only with a person already deeply infected and dangerously brain-damaged with Russophobia, a person blindfolded with their hatred enough to lost even very basic understanding of the justice.

1) No.

The two Russians are not in the UK. They moved to another country to get away from Putin and his killers.

2) I though you were doing facts, not bullshit.

3) Two others were blamed because.... holy shit, they didn't just "act suspicious", they did things NOBODY WOULD EVER DO.

If you want LOGIC, the British government WOULD NOT kill people with NOVICHOK on British soil.

Now, whether the British assassinate people or not, is not known. If the British govt do it (and we're talking outside of "war situations" where someone is "the enemy" and considered a "legitimate target"), they wouldn't do it to be so open.

Now Putin on the other hand, does. He likes people to fear him, and he puts a lot of effort into making sure people do.

Prigozhin, everyone knew Putin would assassinate him, and Putin went and did it IN FUCKING STYLE, putting a bomb on the plane, not giving a fuck about anyone else on that plane, and making sure THE WHOLE WORLD SAW WHAT HAPPENS TO SOMEONE WHO BETRAYS HIM.

 

[Zavulon]

1) No.

The two Russians are not in the UK. They moved to another country to get away from Putin and his killers.

The were in the UK when they missed. Everything else is just words of HMG.

2) I though you were doing facts, not bullshit.

It is the fact. They didn't have access to Russian or even neutral diplomats to express their will and/or give information to their relatives.

3) Two others were blamed because.... holy shit, they didn't just "act suspicious", they did things NOBODY WOULD EVER DO.

Yes. Thats what they usually mean when they say "to act suspiciously".

If you want LOGIC, the British government WOULD NOT kill people with NOVICHOK on British soil.

Who said that they were killed with Novichok? British government? Obviously, they lie. The simplest explanation that they were simply shoot in the backs of their heads by the UK agents.

Now, whether the British assassinate people or not, is not known. If the British govt do it (and we're talking outside of "war situations" where someone is "the enemy" and considered a "legitimate target"), they wouldn't do it to be so open.

They do it, they do it that open, because Russophobic public can swallow any explanation, whoever stupid it is.

Now Putin on the other hand, does. He likes people to fear him, and he puts a lot of effort into making sure people do.

Of course Russia kill enemies of Russia. Often Russia kill them in other countries. Sometimes, (as in the case of Khattab) Russia use poisions. But, Skripal was officially pardoned, Russian elimination squads consists at least from five members, the codenames of special poisons started with the letter "F", and if there were the goal to kill him - he was already dead. There are a lot of ways to do it much more simple and reliable. Therefore the whole freaking story sounds like a complete nonsense (even for me, with my minimal military experience as a chemical scout).
I can imagine a situation in which one of the Russian intelligence agencies might use the poison (I have pretty vivid imagination), but it definitely might not be FSB, SVR or GRU or a proper elimination squad acting according proper plan. May be, an agent of Financial Intelligence (barely more than an ordinary financier) revealed the fact of ongoing British operating about British chemical weapons trading to Syrian "democratic opposition" or other terrorists (with Skripal as an intermediator) and in lack of time used the British-produced poison to slow down the British operation and buy some time for bigger guys to eliminate the threat.
But even in those circumstances British government should have give the access to Russian diplomats to Skripal or his body.
So, the simplest explanation still that Skripals were killed by British agents, and everything else is just HMG's lie.

Prigozhin, everyone knew Putin would assassinate him, and Putin went and did it IN FUCKING STYLE, putting a bomb on the plane, not giving a fuck about anyone else on that plane, and making sure THE WHOLE WORLD SAW WHAT HAPPENS TO SOMEONE WHO BETRAYS HIM.

May be. May be not. Anyway, Prigozin shouldn't have to betray Putin and Russian Federation.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The were in the UK when they missed. Everything else is just words of HMG.


It is the fact. They didn't have access to Russian or even neutral diplomats to express their will and/or give information to their relatives.


Yes. Thats what they usually mean when they say "to act suspiciously".


Who said that they were killed with Novichok? British government? Obviously, they lie. The simplest explanation that they were simply shoot in the backs of their heads by the UK agents.


They do it, they do it that open, because Russophobic public can swallow any explanation, whoever stupid it is.


Of course Russia kill enemies of Russia. Often Russia kill them in other countries. Sometimes, (as in the case of Khattab) Russia use poisions. But, Skripal was officially pardoned, Russian elimination squads consists at least from five members, the codenames of special poisons started with the letter "F", and if there were the goal to kill him - he was already dead. There are a lot of ways to do it much more simple and reliable. Therefore the whole freaking story sounds like a complete nonsense (even for me, with my minimal military experience as a chemical scout).
I can imagine a situation in which one of the Russian intelligence agencies might use the poison (I have pretty vivid imagination), but it definitely might not be FSB, SVR or GRU or a proper elimination squad acting according proper plan. May be, an agent of Financial Intelligence (barely more than an ordinary financier) revealed the fact of ongoing British operating about British chemical weapons trading to Syrian "democratic opposition" or other terrorists (with Skripal as an intermediator) and in lack of time used the British-produced poison to slow down the British operation and buy some time for bigger guys to eliminate the threat.
But even in those circumstances British government should have give the access to Russian diplomats to Skripal or his body.
So, the simplest explanation still that Skripals were killed by British agents, and everything else is just HMG's lie.


May be. May be not. Anyway, Prigozin shouldn't have to betray Putin and Russian Federation.

Were they even in the UK?

What evidence do you have they were ever there?

Russia says they were there, the UK says they were there, but is that enough evidence for you?

Sergei Skripal had British citizenship. He was arrested in Russia for spying for the USA. He was swapped in an exchange.

He was never, ever going to go back to Russia. He's not that stupid.

So, Russia claiming that a Russian has gone missing is mostly bullshit because the only reason he was "still Russian" was because... what's the point of getting rid of it? It was a non-issue. He couldn't get a Russian passport for a start. It was all on Russia.

So, your suggestion that Russia actually gave a damn about his welfare is LAUGHABLE.

 

[Zavulon]

Were they even in the UK?

What evidence do you have they were ever there?

Russia says they were there, the UK says they were there, but is that enough evidence for you?

Yes. That is more or less enough in this case. It is "beyond a reasonable doubt" as for me.

Sergei Skripal had British citizenship. He was arrested in Russia for spying for the USA. He was swapped in an exchange.

He never refused Russian citizenship either, and before swapping he was officially pardoned by the President of the Russian Federation. If he didn't commit new crimes after it - he was clean in the eyes of the Russian law.

He was never, ever going to go back to Russia. He's not that stupid.

Who knows.

So, Russia claiming that a Russian has gone missing is mostly bullshit because the only reason he was "still Russian" was because... what's the point of getting rid of it? It was a non-issue. He couldn't get a Russian passport for a start. It was all on Russia.

I don't know if he had his Russian passport with him. But it doesn't change the fact, that he and his daughter were Russian citizens, missed in the UK.

So, your suggestion that Russia actually gave a damn about his welfare is LAUGHABLE.

It's not diplomatic business to give or not give a damn about Russian citizens. "Citizen in distress, especially damzel in distress" and they have to react. And they reacted. They demanded consular access to Russian citizens and, their lawful demands were not satisfied. Man, a lawyer may give or not give a damn about welfare of his defendant, he may even hate him, but it is his job to defend his rights. And, in this case, Skripal's rights were violated because of the HMG actions, who simply ignored all necessary legal procedures.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Yes. That is more or less enough in this case. It is "beyond a reasonable doubt" as for me.


He never refused Russian citizenship either, and before swapping he was officially pardoned by the President of the Russian Federation. If he didn't commit new crimes after it - he was clean in the eyes of the Russian law.


Who knows.


I don't know if he had his Russian passport with him. But it doesn't change the fact, that he and his daughter were Russian citizens, missed in the UK.


It's not diplomatic business to give or not give a damn about Russian citizens. "Citizen in distress, especially damzel in distress" and they have to react. And they reacted. They demanded consular access to Russian citizens and, their lawful demands were not satisfied. Man, a lawyer may give or not give a damn about welfare of his defendant, he may even hate him, but it is his job to defend his rights. And, in this case, Skripal's rights were violated because of the HMG actions, who simply ignored all necessary legal procedures.

Of course, it's beyond reasonable doubt because both sides can agree on something.

So, when both sides don't agree, then there's a problem.

So, all Russia needs to do, is not agree on things in order to create an alternative theory, no matter how crazy it is.

So, Skripal was clean in the eyes of "Russian law", but probably not in the eyes on Putin, former KGB officer who does NOT take kindly to defecting officers working against Russia, as Skripal was clearly doing.

Did Skripal ever go back to Russia? No, his daughter went to visit him in England.

He doesn't have a Russian passport, he almost certainly did not have a Russian passport when he left Russia in 2010, even if he did, chances it was still valid in 2018 are pretty small as passports run out after 10 years, but he was arrested in 2004, so any passport he did have was probably from before 2004 and would not have been valid, and Russia would not give him a new one, and he would not have applied for a new one because he had a British passport that would get him to all the places he wanted to go, Estonia, Czech Republic, etc etc.

Nope, rights were not violated. Russia CLAIMS his rights were violated because Russia probably wanted to finish the job. Would you want to meet with the people who tried to kill you? I think not.

 

[Deadstick]

Of course, it's beyond reasonable doubt because both sides can agree on something.

So, when both sides don't agree, then there's a problem.

So, all Russia needs to do, is not agree on things in order to create an alternative theory, no matter how crazy it is.

So, Skripal was clean in the eyes of "Russian law", but probably not in the eyes on Putin, former KGB officer who does NOT take kindly to defecting officers working against Russia, as Skripal was clearly doing.

Did Skripal ever go back to Russia? No, his daughter went to visit him in England.

He doesn't have a Russian passport, he almost certainly did not have a Russian passport when he left Russia in 2010, even if he did, chances it was still valid in 2018 are pretty small as passports run out after 10 years, but he was arrested in 2004, so any passport he did have was probably from before 2004 and would not have been valid, and Russia would not give him a new one, and he would not have applied for a new one because he had a British passport that would get him to all the places he wanted to go, Estonia, Czech Republic, etc etc.

Nope, rights were not violated. Russia CLAIMS his rights were violated because Russia probably wanted to finish the job. Would you want to meet with the people who tried to kill you? I think not.

Russians could have killed Skripal at anytime and without some ridiculous Novichok bullshit.

 

[Zavulon]

Of course, it's beyond reasonable doubt because both sides can agree on something.

Not necessarily, but in this case - yes.

So, when both sides don't agree, then there's a problem.

And there is the way to solve the problem. Proper discussion under proper procedures. Proper investigation and open demostration of the proves. The only thing the UK should have to do - was to follow existing regulations. They didn't. If police in the US arrest a man and don't allow him to meet his lawyer - the case is usually failed, independently however crazy story about Russian spies and/or flying saucers the cops invented.

So, all Russia needs to do, is not agree on things in order to create an alternative theory, no matter how crazy it is.

Yes. That's what do lawyers. And then other people judge, if the guiltiness was proved beyond any reasonable doubts. It is guilt that should be proved, not innocence, even if the defendants are Russians. That's how the proper system works (both in Russia and America). But in the totalitarian states, like the UK, seems that nobody cares about proper investigation and proper court. The government said, that it was done by the Russians, and any doubts are the sign of disloyalty and even possible treason.

So, Skripal was clean in the eyes of "Russian law", but probably not in the eyes on Putin, former KGB officer who does NOT take kindly to defecting officers working against Russia, as Skripal was clearly doing.

Putin is not a Dark Lord, mentally controlling the horde of zombies. He, as any leader of a multimillion nation, must follow customs, laws and other regulations. That's the way how leader control other people. If a person is pardoned and didn't commit a new crime - he won't order his elimination. Such actions would erode his own power.

Did Skripal ever go back to Russia? No, his daughter went to visit him in England.

He doesn't have a Russian passport, he almost certainly did not have a Russian passport when he left Russia in 2010, even if he did, chances it was still valid in 2018 are pretty small as passports run out after 10 years, but he was arrested in 2004, so any passport he did have was probably from before 2004 and would not have been valid, and Russia would not give him a new one, and he would not have applied for a new one because he had a British passport that would get him to all the places he wanted to go, Estonia, Czech Republic, etc etc.

You have no the slightest idea what are you talking about. First of all, in Russia passports don't expire in ten years. Russians change the passports only once, in the age of 45. Sergey Skripal was born in 1951, therefore he changed his passport in 1996 and it was valid sonce then. Second - it is irrelevant if his documents are expired. His Russian citizenship was still active and he was protected by the Russian law. Third - instead of all those meaningless speculations, the only thing that British authorities should have done was calling to Russian ambassador and allow Skripal himself whatever he wants and what exactly happened.

Nope, rights were not violated. Russia CLAIMS his rights were violated because Russia probably wanted to finish the job. Would you want to meet with the people who tried to kill you? I think not.

Poor excuse. If the cops said that they don't allow lawyers to an arrested person because this person doesn't want to meet his lawyer... It's simply irrelevant whatever they say in those circumstances, highly likely they are just lying. A lawyer should be allowed to meet an arrested person. If this person doesn't want to meet the lawyer - it has right to say "F#ck off!" and finish the meeting.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Russians could have killed Skripal at anytime and without some ridiculous Novichok bullshit.

Yes, the could have. So could the British. So could anyone.

So why was novichok used?

It was used as a message. Who'd want to send a message to former FSB officers? Go on, have a guess.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Not necessarily, but in this case - yes.

And there is the way to solve the problem. Proper discussion under proper procedures. Proper investigation and open demostration of the proves. The only thing the UK should have to do - was to follow existing regulations. They didn't. If police in the US arrest a man and don't allow him to meet his lawyer - the case is usually failed, independently however crazy story about Russian spies and/or flying saucers the cops invented.


Yes. That's what do lawyers. And then other people judge, if the guiltiness was proved beyond any reasonable doubts. It is guilt that should be proved, not innocence, even if the defendants are Russians. That's how the proper system works (both in Russia and America). But in the totalitarian states, like the UK, seems that nobody cares about proper investigation and proper court. The government said, that it was done by the Russians, and any doubts are the sign of disloyalty and even possible treason.


Putin is not a Dark Lord, mentally controlling the horde of zombies. He, as any leader of a multimillion nation, must follow customs, laws and other regulations. That's the way how leader control other people. If a person is pardoned and didn't commit a new crime - he won't order his elimination. Such actions would erode his own power.



You have no the slightest idea what are you talking about. First of all, in Russia passports don't expire in ten years. Russians change the passports only once, in the age of 45. Sergey Skripal was born in 1951, therefore he changed his passport in 1996 and it was valid sonce then. Second - it is irrelevant if his documents are expired. His Russian citizenship was still active and he was protected by the Russian law. Third - instead of all those meaningless speculations, the only thing that British authorities should have done was calling to Russian ambassador and allow Skripal himself whatever he wants and what exactly happened.



Poor excuse. If the cops said that they don't allow lawyers to an arrested person because this person doesn't want to meet his lawyer... It's simply irrelevant whatever they say in those circumstances, highly likely they are just lying. A lawyer should be allowed to meet an arrested person. If this person doesn't want to meet the lawyer - it has right to say "F#ck off!" and finish the meeting.

No, why would the UK talk to Russia when Russia used a deadly poison on the streets of the UK? Fuck Russia.

Russia is the one with the history of sowing doubt in people's minds by using cheat and effective methods, like what happed when the Malaysian Airlines flight was shot down over the Ukraine.

The problem with Skripal is... he was arrested, he was pardoned and shipped out of the country to lead a life of retirement. But he didn't. He went all over Europe selling his skills and knowledge of the Russian FSB.

Who do you think would be most angry about that?

You're right, I didn't know what I was talking about with Russian passports. So I went and informed myself.

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"There are two types of international passports: a 5-year standard passport and a 10-year biometric passport."

So, bullshit on your claim that you get a passport that has to be renewed at the age of 45.

Again, you say the UK had to inform Russia. It doesn't. He was also a British citizen and Russia had just tried to kill him, so they forfeited their right to anything.

A lawyer should be allowed to meet a person, but Russia wasn't his lawyer.

 

[Zavulon]

No, why would the UK talk to Russia when Russia used a deadly poison on the streets of the UK? Fuck Russia.

Of course Russia didn't use any "deadly poison" on the streets of the UK, at least in the case of Skripals. It, highly likely, was totally fabricated by the British storywritters. Highly likely, by civilian and incompetent storywritters. If you want to declare a war - you declare it officially and try to search the better ground for this solution rather then a second season of the freaking TV-mockumentary "The Russian poisoners".

Russia is the one with the history of sowing doubt in people's minds by using cheat and effective methods, like what happed when the Malaysian Airlines flight was shot down over the Ukraine.

It is pretty easy to sow doubts on the soil fertilised that well with all that BS the HMG and their lying medias spread. If one side doesn't provide information and violate legal procedures - people doesn't trust them.
The facts about Malaysian Airlines flight are also pretty simple. It was shot down over Ukrainian territory, and it was Ukrainain responsibility to close the skies over the warzone. It was shot down by the missile with Ukrainian number and there were no proper investigation, either.

The problem with Skripal is... he was arrested, he was pardoned and shipped out of the country to lead a life of retirement. But he didn't. He went all over Europe selling his skills and knowledge of the Russian FSB.

Bla-bla-bla. You just continue fabrication of the meaningless assumptions.

Who do you think would be most angry about that?

The Brits? He was in their responsibility and he became their asset.

You're right, I didn't know what I was talking about with Russian passports. So I went and informed myself.

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"There are two types of international passports: a 5-year standard passport and a 10-year biometric passport."

It is about international passports for the tourists. There are internal passports to prove the citizenship. And he has it.

So, bullshit on your claim that you get a passport that has to be renewed at the age of 45.

Again, you say the UK had to inform Russia. It doesn't. He was also a British citizen and Russia had just tried to kill him, so they forfeited their right to anything.

He was both British and Russian citizen and therefore he has Russian protection either. And his daughter (highly likely also murdered by the Brits) has only Russian citizenship.

A lawyer should be allowed to meet a person, but Russia wasn't his lawyer.

Russia is the protector of all Russian citizens (including Skripal and his daughter).
Everybody has a right to be defended, even if he/she is a Russian. (if you deny it - you are next in the line for denazification).

 

[Zavulon]

Returning to the topic of Rumanian elections, and European transformation in the fourth Reich, shifting in the totalitarism and lawless dictatorship.

EU top diplomat says Russia learnt ways to influence elections

The new head of the European Union's diplomacy, Kaja Kallas, believes that Russia has learnt ways to influence elections using new technologies. Source: Kallas at the P28 event organised by Politico; European Pravda Details: The newly assigned EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs and...

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The new head of the European Union's diplomacy, Kaja Kallas, believes that Russia has learnt ways to influence elections using new technologies.

Source: Kallas at the P28 event organised by Politico; European Pravda

Details: The newly assigned EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy noted that Russia has learnt to influence elections with the help of new technologies.

In particular, Kallas commented on this in the context of Romania.

"I see the examples from Romania, but also other parts, that [the] Russians have really cracked the code on how to influence elections."

Details: When asked about the impact of new technologies on democracy, Kallas said she was "really worried".

"Democracy is based on trust, and if you can’t trust elections anymore then how can you trust the outcome?" she said.

Kallas argues that current methods of determining whether an election is free and fair are outdated and do not take into account the new technologies used to influence elections.

"I think we should take them very seriously," the Estonian politician concluded.

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They don't believe in justice, they don't believe in open information flow and informed choices of adult and sane people, and now they don't believe in elections. They can't trust elections, because adult and sane people don't trust European politicians.

What will win - the will of people or the will of non-elected european buroucrats?

 

[Deadstick]

Yes, the could have. So could the British. So could anyone.

So why was novichok used?

It was used as a message. Who'd want to send a message to former FSB officers? Go on, have a guess.

there is no evidence it was used, we only have the British authorities word for it, and experience tells us that is worth jack shit, it is said to be the most deadly military nerve agent known, there should have been thousands dead, you fall for the bullshit every time, Iraqi WMD Gadaffi was going to kill everyone in Bengazi Assad used Chemical weapons, all lies but it gets the herd on board i am just listening to one such idiot right now on the radio.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Of course Russia didn't use any "deadly poison" on the streets of the UK, at least in the case of Skripals. It, highly likely, was totally fabricated by the British storywritters. Highly likely, by civilian and incompetent storywritters. If you want to declare a war - you declare it officially and try to search the better ground for this solution rather then a second season of the freaking TV-mockumentary "The Russian poisoners".


It is pretty easy to sow doubts on the soil fertilised that well with all that BS the HMG and their lying medias spread. If one side doesn't provide information and violate legal procedures - people doesn't trust them.
The facts about Malaysian Airlines flight are also pretty simple. It was shot down over Ukrainian territory, and it was Ukrainain responsibility to close the skies over the warzone. It was shot down by the missile with Ukrainian number and there were no proper investigation, either.



Bla-bla-bla. You just continue fabrication of the meaningless assumptions.

The Brits? He was in their responsibility and he became their asset.


It is about international passports for the tourists. There are internal passports to prove the citizenship. And he has it.

He was both British and Russian citizen and therefore he has Russian protection either. And his daughter (highly likely also murdered by the Brits) has only Russian citizenship.


Russia is the protector of all Russian citizens (including Skripal and his daughter).
Everybody has a right to be defended, even if he/she is a Russian. (if you deny it - you are next in the line for denazification).

Why? Why would Russia not use poison?

Litvinenko was killed with plutonium in the UK. He was former FSB. And like Skripal, he worked against Putin and Russia to help other intelligence agencies.

You think it's a coincidence that two former FSB agents were killed in such circumstances?

Then you have the biggest traitor of all, Prigozhin, we all knew he'd be assassinated, because it's what Putin does. And he made it super showy. Blowing up a plane in mid air. It's what Putin does. People who Putin wants to make an example of, he does.

Yeah, exactly, the Malaysian Airlines flight shot down was "pretty simple", or at least for you. Let's forget the facts, let's forget anything that's inconvenient for Russia.

Why do you thin the Russian media posted this photo?

The media does NOT post things that Putin doesn't like. So it must have been approved at some level, and probably a very high level. If Russia, or most likely, Russian backed rebels, didn't shoot it down, why go to all the effort to fake an image and post it in the media, the truth would have sufficed.

You're not providing anything but the Russian line. You're not using logic, you're just saying what you have to say. Everything I'm saying is LOGIC.

 

[frigidweirdo]

there is no evidence it was used, we only have the British authorities word for it, and experience tells us that is worth jack shit, it is said to be the most deadly military nerve agent known, there should have been thousands dead, you fall for the bullshit every time, Iraqi WMD Gadaffi was going to kill everyone in Bengazi Assad used Chemical weapons, all lies but it gets the herd on board i am just listening to one such idiot right now on the radio.

There's no evidence anything happens. We all end up relying on our information from someone else. How do you know Russia even exists? Maybe it's just made up by the British government to act as a bogey man. Perhaps there is no war in the Ukraine, maybe there is no Ukraine either.

There's a ministry of disinformation, and they're pumping all this stuff out to manipulate people.

Yeah, that must be it.

 

[Deadstick]

There's no evidence anything happens. We all end up relying on our information from someone else. How do you know Russia even exists? Maybe it's just made up by the British government to act as a bogey man. Perhaps there is no war in the Ukraine, maybe there is no Ukraine either.

There's a ministry of disinformation, and they're pumping all this stuff out to manipulate people.

Yeah, that must be it.

Well there is evidence that the holocaust happened there is evidence Auschwitz existed, there is evidence Genocide is taking place right now in Gaza, there is evidence Polpot carried out Genocide in Cambodia, but there is no evidence Russia tried to kill the Skripals with a nerve agent.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Well there is evidence that the holocaust happened there is evidence Auschwitz existed, there is evidence Genocide is taking place right now in Gaza, there is evidence Polpot carried out Genocide in Cambodia, but there is no evidence Russia tried to kill the Skripals with a nerve agent.

Yes, there's evidence that Russia poisoned the Skripals in Salisbury too, there's LOADS OF EVIDENCE.

The problem is you've decided that there isn't because... I don't know why. Either because you like conspiracies, or you're being paid by Putin, I don't know which.

 

[Deadstick]

Returning to the topic of Rumanian elections, and European transformation in the fourth Reich, shifting in the totalitarism and lawless dictatorship.

EU top diplomat says Russia learnt ways to influence elections

The new head of the European Union's diplomacy, Kaja Kallas, believes that Russia has learnt ways to influence elections using new technologies. Source: Kallas at the P28 event organised by Politico; European Pravda Details: The newly assigned EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs and...

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The new head of the European Union's diplomacy, Kaja Kallas, believes that Russia has learnt ways to influence elections using new technologies.

Source: Kallas at the P28 event organised by Politico; European Pravda

Details: The newly assigned EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy noted that Russia has learnt to influence elections with the help of new technologies.

In particular, Kallas commented on this in the context of Romania.

"I see the examples from Romania, but also other parts, that [the] Russians have really cracked the code on how to influence elections."

Details: When asked about the impact of new technologies on democracy, Kallas said she was "really worried".

"Democracy is based on trust, and if you can’t trust elections anymore then how can you trust the outcome?" she said.

Kallas argues that current methods of determining whether an election is free and fair are outdated and do not take into account the new technologies used to influence elections.

"I think we should take them very seriously," the Estonian politician concluded.

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They don't believe in justice, they don't believe in open information flow and informed choices of adult and sane people, and now they don't believe in elections. They can't trust elections, because adult and sane people don't trust European politicians.

What will win - the will of people or the will of non-elected european buroucrats?

Did this hysterical Estonian NAZI actually say what new technologies and what code or as usual was just blowing hot air through her arse?

 

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Yes, there's evidence that Russia poisoned the Skripals in Salisbury too, there's LOADS OF EVIDENCE.

The problem is you've decided that there isn't because... I don't know why. Either because you like conspiracies, or you're being paid by Putin, I don't know which.

So what IS the evidence? other than media waffle putting out MOD and British state press handouts for the herd to soak up 24/7, i remember Theresa May who was then Prime minister standing in Parliament can't remember if it was the same day or the day after the Salisbury incident saying Russia and Putin were responsible, that was before any investigation of what actually took place, that was no accident it was part of the anti Russian propaganda campaign the British State were involved in, as for people like me who questions the official narrative being paid by Putin is one more of you conspiracy theories, i would like to know how much lying does your Government have to do from the Vietnam war to Iraq and beyond for you to wake up?