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they have loser remorse.Democrats want to control how everyone thinks, acts and lives.
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they have loser remorse.Democrats want to control how everyone thinks, acts and lives.
But W was the Decider.
No Dem wanted W to force the inspectors out before they could finish the job of finding no WMD.
So you got that lie revived
thanks for reminding us
The AUMF essentially called for going through the UN. Bush authored UNSC resolution 1441, which gave Saddam Hussein one last chance to cooperate with weapons inspectors. He did cooperate starting in November 2002 and by March 2003 Dr. Blix said he was cooperating proactively.nope, he went through congress and they were the deciders.
See nfbw xii,dcclic 241114 Vrvwgo12759The Clintons, Kerry, Gore, all knew what Bush knew and agreed with him but today Democrats lie about it.
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I voted for Al Gore. Al Gore would have never ever ever in 1 million years put 150,000 ground troops in Iraq. Never never never.
You are a liar.
You really have learned nothing from the Myriad of Lies and hoaxes the Democrats have perpetrated about Donald Trump for 8 years now. You are truly one stupid individual. Matt Gates is about to take a bulldozer to fucking Democrat Liars and criminals. LOLRepublicans are some of the greatest liars on this earth. They may be behind Vladimir Putin a little bit, but not by much.. now.
The Democrats have no credibility they lost that. Obama , attacking Libya without any Congressional approval, Obama trying to circumvent Congress by using an EO on immigration and it was found unconstitutional, Biden knowingly trying to pass an EO to forgive student loans that was ruled unconstitutional. Then you have the leaders of the Democratic Party try to pull of a fraud and lied to the American people about the mental health of Biden, they support the lie, perpetrated the myth that Biden was mentally fit, it was supported by Hillary and Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer and got the media to push the entire fraud on the American public, Only after they realized that the American people could no longer be fooled, when the realized he couldn’t win did they force him out. The Democratic Party was very willing to put America in jeopardy to keep power, so bitch all you want about the Republican Party, the left has no high ground.
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wrong thread, off topic.
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Feb 11, 2013 at 9:27pmQuote
Inspectors Challenge Washington Over Weapons Evidence
SHOWDOWN WITH IRAQ
Blix and ElBaradei cite lack of proof for U.S. claims. Secretary of State offers an impassioned rebuttal.
February 15, 2003|Bob Drogin | Times Staff Writer
UNITED NATIONS — The top U.N. weapons inspectors challenged the United States over Iraq on Friday, declaring that 577 inspections over the last 11 weeks have failed to confirm Bush administration claims that Saddam Hussein's regime is actively hiding or developing chemical, biological and nuclear weapons.
In a tense meeting of the U.N. Security Council, Hans Blix and Mohamed ElBaradei repeatedly contradicted or questioned a presentation of satellite photos and other intelligence last week by Secretary of State Colin L. Powell.
Their reports, emphasizing recent progress and stressing plans to expand inspections, appeared aimed at Washington as much as at Baghdad.
Powell, in response, put aside his prepared comments to make an impassioned appeal to the bitterly divided Security Council to recognize that military force may now be necessary -- "as distasteful as it may be, as reluctant as we may be" -- to compel Iraq to disarm.
Powell ridiculed Baghdad's creation this month of two commissions to assist the inspectors, as well as a new Iraqi decree, announced just before the council met Friday, that officially bans weapons of mass destruction.
"These are all tricks being played on us," he warned.
If Baghdad was serious about its claims of complete disarmament, Powell added, "documents would be flooding out" of Iraqi factories and facilities, and weapons experts "would be lining up" to be interviewed by U.N. inspectors.
"This is not brain surgery," he said.
But the inspectors' latest reports provided little support for U.S. positions. ElBaradei, director-general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, said his experts have "found no evidence of ongoing prohibited nuclear or nuclear-related activities in Iraq."
In a sharp departure from U.S. views, ElBaradei even argued that Iraqi cooperation might not be necessary. His agency's experience, he said, "shows that it is possible, particularly with an intrusive verification system, to assess the presence or absence of a nuclear weapons program ... even without the full cooperation of the inspected state."
Blix, who heads the U.N. Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission, was highly critical of Iraq when he last reported to the Security Council, on Jan. 27. His latest report at times seemed more complimentary toward Baghdad than toward Washington.
Blix declared for the first time, for example, that inspections "are effectively helping to bridge the gap in knowledge that arose due to the absence" of U.N. inspectors from Iraq between December 1998 and last November.
"The situation has improved," Blix said, citing several signs that he said suggested Baghdad has increased its cooperation.
In contrast, Blix directly challenged some of the dramatic evidence that Powell presented to the Security Council last week to bolster the U.S. case that Iraq remains in material breach of U.N. resolutions.
Intelligence has "limitations," Blix warned, and "misinterpretations can occur."
Powell charged last week, for example, that Baghdad had removed weapons or other evidence from nearly 30 sites shortly before inspectors arrived to search them. He described an elaborate Iraqi system, directed by Saddam Hussein's son Qusai, to conceal weapons and deceive the inspectors.
But Blix said his inspectors had conducted unannounced searches of industrial sites, ammunition depots, research centers, universities, presidential palaces, private homes, missile production facilities, military camps and farms.
"In no case have we seen convincing evidence that the Iraqi side knew in advance that the inspectors were coming," he said.
Blix confirmed reports that U.N. missile experts have concluded that recent tests of Iraq's Al-Samoud 2 missile show it can fly more than 93 miles and thus is in violation of U.N. rules imposed after the 1991 Persian Gulf War. Newly built casting chambers to produce motors for the missiles are also illegal, he said. He did not say whether inspectors would attempt to seize and destroy them.
But Blix did not support Powell's claim that a new missile test stand is also illegal.
Powell had highlighted the 92-foot-long test stand at Al Rafah last week as clear evidence that Iraq is seeking to build a long-range missile in defiance of U.N. resolutions.
"So far, the test stand has not been associated with a proscribed activity," Blix said.
Blix also took issue with one of Powell's more powerful pieces of evidence -- a pair of before-and-after satellite photos of Iraq's Taji munitions facility. Powell said last week that U.S. intelligence analysts "know" that Taji was used to store chemical weapons but that decontamination trucks, security tents and other suspect equipment were removed Dec. 22, just before inspectors arrived to search the site.
Blix said his analysts saw the situation differently.
"The reported movement of munitions at the site could just as easily have been a routine activity as a movement of proscribed munitions in anticipation of imminent inspection," he said.
Blix conceded that one intelligence tip -- reportedly from Washington -- led inspectors last month to a scientist's house where they found 2,000 pages of documents about laser enrichment of uranium.
"In other cases, intelligence has led to sites where no proscribed items were found," he added.
Blix said the U.N. will deploy American U-2 spy planes over Iraq next week to support the inspectors. The world body also plans to soon use French Mirage IV surveillance aircraft, German reconnaissance drones and Russian Antonov planes with night-vision capabilities.
Among other things, he said, the fleet of high-tech aircraft will search for evidence -- again cited by Powell -- of mobile biological weapons production units.
Meeting reporters later, Powell denied that Blix had contradicted or undermined U.S. claims of Iraqi intransigence.
"I don't think Dr. Blix challenged a great deal," he said
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Feb 11, 2013 at 9:27pmQuote
Inspectors Challenge Washington Over Weapons Evidence
SHOWDOWN WITH IRAQ
Blix and ElBaradei cite lack of proof for U.S. claims. Secretary of State offers an impassioned rebuttal.
February 15, 2003|Bob Drogin | Times Staff Writer
UNITED NATIONS — The top U.N. weapons inspectors challenged the United States over Iraq on Friday, declaring that 577 inspections over the last 11 weeks have failed to confirm Bush administration claims that Saddam Hussein's regime is actively hiding or developing chemical, biological and nuclear weapons.
In a tense meeting of the U.N. Security Council, Hans Blix and Mohamed ElBaradei repeatedly contradicted or questioned a presentation of satellite photos and other intelligence last week by Secretary of State Colin L. Powell.
Their reports, emphasizing recent progress and stressing plans to expand inspections, appeared aimed at Washington as much as at Baghdad.
Powell, in response, put aside his prepared comments to make an impassioned appeal to the bitterly divided Security Council to recognize that military force may now be necessary -- "as distasteful as it may be, as reluctant as we may be" -- to compel Iraq to disarm.
Powell ridiculed Baghdad's creation this month of two commissions to assist the inspectors, as well as a new Iraqi decree, announced just before the council met Friday, that officially bans weapons of mass destruction.
"These are all tricks being played on us," he warned.
If Baghdad was serious about its claims of complete disarmament, Powell added, "documents would be flooding out" of Iraqi factories and facilities, and weapons experts "would be lining up" to be interviewed by U.N. inspectors.
"This is not brain surgery," he said.
But the inspectors' latest reports provided little support for U.S. positions. ElBaradei, director-general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, said his experts have "found no evidence of ongoing prohibited nuclear or nuclear-related activities in Iraq."
In a sharp departure from U.S. views, ElBaradei even argued that Iraqi cooperation might not be necessary. His agency's experience, he said, "shows that it is possible, particularly with an intrusive verification system, to assess the presence or absence of a nuclear weapons program ... even without the full cooperation of the inspected state."
Blix, who heads the U.N. Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission, was highly critical of Iraq when he last reported to the Security Council, on Jan. 27. His latest report at times seemed more complimentary toward Baghdad than toward Washington.
Blix declared for the first time, for example, that inspections "are effectively helping to bridge the gap in knowledge that arose due to the absence" of U.N. inspectors from Iraq between December 1998 and last November.
"The situation has improved," Blix said, citing several signs that he said suggested Baghdad has increased its cooperation.
In contrast, Blix directly challenged some of the dramatic evidence that Powell presented to the Security Council last week to bolster the U.S. case that Iraq remains in material breach of U.N. resolutions.
Intelligence has "limitations," Blix warned, and "misinterpretations can occur."
Powell charged last week, for example, that Baghdad had removed weapons or other evidence from nearly 30 sites shortly before inspectors arrived to search them. He described an elaborate Iraqi system, directed by Saddam Hussein's son Qusai, to conceal weapons and deceive the inspectors.
But Blix said his inspectors had conducted unannounced searches of industrial sites, ammunition depots, research centers, universities, presidential palaces, private homes, missile production facilities, military camps and farms.
"In no case have we seen convincing evidence that the Iraqi side knew in advance that the inspectors were coming," he said.
Blix confirmed reports that U.N. missile experts have concluded that recent tests of Iraq's Al-Samoud 2 missile show it can fly more than 93 miles and thus is in violation of U.N. rules imposed after the 1991 Persian Gulf War. Newly built casting chambers to produce motors for the missiles are also illegal, he said. He did not say whether inspectors would attempt to seize and destroy them.
But Blix did not support Powell's claim that a new missile test stand is also illegal.
Powell had highlighted the 92-foot-long test stand at Al Rafah last week as clear evidence that Iraq is seeking to build a long-range missile in defiance of U.N. resolutions.
"So far, the test stand has not been associated with a proscribed activity," Blix said.
Blix also took issue with one of Powell's more powerful pieces of evidence -- a pair of before-and-after satellite photos of Iraq's Taji munitions facility. Powell said last week that U.S. intelligence analysts "know" that Taji was used to store chemical weapons but that decontamination trucks, security tents and other suspect equipment were removed Dec. 22, just before inspectors arrived to search the site.
Blix said his analysts saw the situation differently.
"The reported movement of munitions at the site could just as easily have been a routine activity as a movement of proscribed munitions in anticipation of imminent inspection," he said.
Blix conceded that one intelligence tip -- reportedly from Washington -- led inspectors last month to a scientist's house where they found 2,000 pages of documents about laser enrichment of uranium.
"In other cases, intelligence has led to sites where no proscribed items were found," he added.
Blix said the U.N. will deploy American U-2 spy planes over Iraq next week to support the inspectors. The world body also plans to soon use French Mirage IV surveillance aircraft, German reconnaissance drones and Russian Antonov planes with night-vision capabilities.
Among other things, he said, the fleet of high-tech aircraft will search for evidence -- again cited by Powell -- of mobile biological weapons production units.
Meeting reporters later, Powell denied that Blix had contradicted or undermined U.S. claims of Iraqi intransigence.
"I don't think Dr. Blix challenged a great deal," he said
Not that this is the thread for this, but Screw the UN they are run by dictators and thugs!
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Feb 11, 2013 at 9:27pmQuote
Inspectors Challenge Washington Over Weapons Evidence
SHOWDOWN WITH IRAQ
Blix and ElBaradei cite lack of proof for U.S. claims. Secretary of State offers an impassioned rebuttal.
February 15, 2003|Bob Drogin | Times Staff Writer
UNITED NATIONS — The top U.N. weapons inspectors challenged the United States over Iraq on Friday, declaring that 577 inspections over the last 11 weeks have failed to confirm Bush administration claims that Saddam Hussein's regime is actively hiding or developing chemical, biological and nuclear weapons.
In a tense meeting of the U.N. Security Council, Hans Blix and Mohamed ElBaradei repeatedly contradicted or questioned a presentation of satellite photos and other intelligence last week by Secretary of State Colin L. Powell.
Their reports, emphasizing recent progress and stressing plans to expand inspections, appeared aimed at Washington as much as at Baghdad.
Powell, in response, put aside his prepared comments to make an impassioned appeal to the bitterly divided Security Council to recognize that military force may now be necessary -- "as distasteful as it may be, as reluctant as we may be" -- to compel Iraq to disarm.
Powell ridiculed Baghdad's creation this month of two commissions to assist the inspectors, as well as a new Iraqi decree, announced just before the council met Friday, that officially bans weapons of mass destruction.
"These are all tricks being played on us," he warned.
If Baghdad was serious about its claims of complete disarmament, Powell added, "documents would be flooding out" of Iraqi factories and facilities, and weapons experts "would be lining up" to be interviewed by U.N. inspectors.
"This is not brain surgery," he said.
But the inspectors' latest reports provided little support for U.S. positions. ElBaradei, director-general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, said his experts have "found no evidence of ongoing prohibited nuclear or nuclear-related activities in Iraq."
In a sharp departure from U.S. views, ElBaradei even argued that Iraqi cooperation might not be necessary. His agency's experience, he said, "shows that it is possible, particularly with an intrusive verification system, to assess the presence or absence of a nuclear weapons program ... even without the full cooperation of the inspected state."
Blix, who heads the U.N. Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission, was highly critical of Iraq when he last reported to the Security Council, on Jan. 27. His latest report at times seemed more complimentary toward Baghdad than toward Washington.
Blix declared for the first time, for example, that inspections "are effectively helping to bridge the gap in knowledge that arose due to the absence" of U.N. inspectors from Iraq between December 1998 and last November.
"The situation has improved," Blix said, citing several signs that he said suggested Baghdad has increased its cooperation.
In contrast, Blix directly challenged some of the dramatic evidence that Powell presented to the Security Council last week to bolster the U.S. case that Iraq remains in material breach of U.N. resolutions.
Intelligence has "limitations," Blix warned, and "misinterpretations can occur."
Powell charged last week, for example, that Baghdad had removed weapons or other evidence from nearly 30 sites shortly before inspectors arrived to search them. He described an elaborate Iraqi system, directed by Saddam Hussein's son Qusai, to conceal weapons and deceive the inspectors.
But Blix said his inspectors had conducted unannounced searches of industrial sites, ammunition depots, research centers, universities, presidential palaces, private homes, missile production facilities, military camps and farms.
"In no case have we seen convincing evidence that the Iraqi side knew in advance that the inspectors were coming," he said.
Blix confirmed reports that U.N. missile experts have concluded that recent tests of Iraq's Al-Samoud 2 missile show it can fly more than 93 miles and thus is in violation of U.N. rules imposed after the 1991 Persian Gulf War. Newly built casting chambers to produce motors for the missiles are also illegal, he said. He did not say whether inspectors would attempt to seize and destroy them.
But Blix did not support Powell's claim that a new missile test stand is also illegal.
Powell had highlighted the 92-foot-long test stand at Al Rafah last week as clear evidence that Iraq is seeking to build a long-range missile in defiance of U.N. resolutions.
"So far, the test stand has not been associated with a proscribed activity," Blix said.
Blix also took issue with one of Powell's more powerful pieces of evidence -- a pair of before-and-after satellite photos of Iraq's Taji munitions facility. Powell said last week that U.S. intelligence analysts "know" that Taji was used to store chemical weapons but that decontamination trucks, security tents and other suspect equipment were removed Dec. 22, just before inspectors arrived to search the site.
Blix said his analysts saw the situation differently.
"The reported movement of munitions at the site could just as easily have been a routine activity as a movement of proscribed munitions in anticipation of imminent inspection," he said.
Blix conceded that one intelligence tip -- reportedly from Washington -- led inspectors last month to a scientist's house where they found 2,000 pages of documents about laser enrichment of uranium.
"In other cases, intelligence has led to sites where no proscribed items were found," he added.
Blix said the U.N. will deploy American U-2 spy planes over Iraq next week to support the inspectors. The world body also plans to soon use French Mirage IV surveillance aircraft, German reconnaissance drones and Russian Antonov planes with night-vision capabilities.
Among other things, he said, the fleet of high-tech aircraft will search for evidence -- again cited by Powell -- of mobile biological weapons production units.
Meeting reporters later, Powell denied that Blix had contradicted or undermined U.S. claims of Iraqi intransigence.
"I don't think Dr. Blix challenged a great deal," he said
wrong thread, off topic.
I hope the moderators will leave this thread open because I think America will be best served if all the issue!!!!!WE ARE ON the OP TOPIC HERE!!!!!
This right to the righteousness of the moral majority: family values: churched Republican shepards to lie that “W found his WMD” to the flock of sheep that still believes it; was set up to succeed by the thirty years of Catholic (at first) and then white Evangelical Christianity (W said his favorite philosopher was Jesus Christ) to convince conservative voters that Republicans are holy for they saveth Baby Fetus and Democrats are evil and ate demonic killers of Baby Fetus.
“WMD were found in Iraq” and “Democrats want to kill babies after they are born” just put a Republican, democracy plundering and pillaging, fascist in the white house for a second term.
Republicans aborted 6000 US military service members lives with that attitude.Not that this is the thread for this, but Screw the UN they are run by dictators and thugs!
Start a new thread!nfbw xii,dcclic 241114 Vrvwgo12759
No. George Bush was a white evangelical Christian, who had sobered up..
But if you go back and study the history of the run-up to the war, the huge Support that I believe convinced Bush to go for regime change in a rack based on lies about the WMD was the support of his evangelical Christian base.
I became interested in this type of forum in 2002 As the run-up of the war was just getting started. I grew up right at the peak of the Vietnam war and I could see the similarities of what George Bush Dick Cheney, Don Romans, the neocons we’re doing because of the attack on September 11, 2001.
I began reading and writing on a website called “letters to leaders“ where in 2002 mini self proclaimed evangelical Christians were writing letters to Bush, begging him, imploring him and asking God to give Bush what they called supernatural wisdom in the need to take Saddam Hussein out of power
Many of the letters were nutzo.
This thread is about another thing white evangelical Christians have produced in the United States of America and my big concern is it is all based on the same kind of lies
This political religious force to me is a responsible for convincing W that he had some kind of god mandate to invade a rack, and then lie his way into it without repercussions because he was rep Ent of white evangelical Christian Hannity
I hope the moderators will leave this thread open be cause I think America will be best served if sally the users that have divided Americans during my lifetime are not compartmentalized to be resolved as specific separated issue not related to any other.
The core political divisive atmosphere of abortion rights affects the divide over support for Ukraine as it affected the US invasion of It’s
If the folks don’tv went to discuss it here t her are free to ignore west they do not wish to hear.
B.S the democrats are warmongering idiots, many of whom supported the war in Iraq the voting record indicates such. Iraq was not following the rules of the cease fire, had stockpiles of WMD"S as I have shown, and were importing weapons, and other equipment form other countries such as night vision that was used against American soldiers during that war, they found new migs buried in the desert to hide them, not going in would have meant the soldiers from the first war died in vain!Republicans aborted 6000 US military service members lives with that attitude.
Democrats don’t have that attitude in general. Just saying truth is truth..
You can thank a Christian for living in the best country in the world. You can damn a Democrat for constant liesRepublicans aborted 6000 US military service members lives with that attitude.
Democrats don’t have that attitude in general. Just saying truth is truth..
LETTERSRepublicans aborted 6000 US military service members lives with that attitude.
Democrats don’t have that attitude in general. Just saying truth is truth..
Republicans escalated Vietnam and started the Iraq WarLETTERS
Which party is responsible for most war casualties?
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I researched the last century to investigate why many portray the Republican Party as the party of war.
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Under President Richard Nixon, 21,194 American soldiers were killed in Vietnam during 1969-74. Under President George H.W. Bush, 383 died in the Gulf War in 1991. Under President George W. Bush, 4,371 died in Iraq during 2003-09, and 947 soldiers died during 2001-09 in Afghanistan.
Under President Woodrow Wilson, 116,516 soldiers died in World War I during 1917-18. Under President Franklin Roosevelt, 405,399 died in WWII during 1941-45. Under President Harry Truman, 54,246 died in Korea during 1950-53. Under President John F. Kennedy, 191 died in Vietnam during 1961-63. Under President Lyndon Johnson, 48,399 died in Vietnam during 1964-69. Under President Barack Obama, 124 died in Iraq during 2001-09, and 1,749 soldiers died from 2009-16 in Afghanistan.
That totals 626,761 soldiers killed under Democrats and 26,895 killed under Republican presidents. This is not to say Democrats started any wars – this is to say the Republican Party is not the party of war. Many people will remember how Nixon struggled to get America out of the Vietnam War.
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Which party is responsible for most war casualties?
I researched the last century to investigate why many portray the Republican Party as the party of war.www.cincinnati.com
Name one.You can thank a Christian
LBJ escalated the war Not Nixon.Republicans escalated Vietnam and started the Iraq War
Just think if FDR served his three terms with zero US MILITARY casualties we’d all be raised saying Heil Trump in German before the start of work or school or be dead . But maybe eggs would be $1 a dozen and the negroes would be well behaved somewhere.
Do you really think there are no great people who are also Christian?Name one.
Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Kamala Harris are all great people. American and ChristiansDo you really think there are no great people who are also Christian?