Roe v. Wade getting overturned!!

[Monk-Eye]

" Avoiding Sufficient Doubt Air Gaps Self Serving To Hooligans "

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Does that mean that you are willing to have a conversation here about abortion as a matter of conscience?

It is likely that the peanut gallery is not understanding conscience , as all will remain speculative about the onset of consciousness , or conscientious objection by way of sentience and empathy .

The peanut gallery understands that " without cause " abortion does not occur when " with cause " abortion is valid for developmental anomalies .

As abortion for developmental anomalies constitute " with cause " abortion and are principally identified between 13 and 20 weeks of pregnancy , and as " without cause " abortions principally occur prior to when " with cause " abortions , debates about a live birth requirement , or onset of sentience , are rhetorical , though remaining the constitutional and ethical standards by which to equally protect the negative liberties of individuals against populism of democracy as tyranny by majority .

In a different domain , or realm , 120 days would be argued as a premise for an onset of consciousness , however the timeline does not satisfy modern medical standards or principles of individual liberty for the resolution of developmental anomalies .

Controversies and considerations regarding the termination of pregnancy for Foetal Anomalies in Islam - BMC Medical Ethics

Background Approximately one-fourth of all the inhabitants on earth are Muslims. Due to unprecedented migration, physicians are often confronted with cultures other than their own that adhere to different pdigms. Discussion In Islam, and most religions, abortion is forbidden. Islam is...

bmcmedethics.biomedcentral.com

In Islam, and most religions, abortion is forbidden. Islam is considerably liberal concerning abortion, which is dependent on (i) the threat of harm to mothers, (ii) the status of the pregnancy before or after ensoulment (on the 120th day of gestation), and (iii) the presence of foetal anomalies that are incompatible with life.

 

[Redfish]

NFBW: I answered that. You ignored it earlier this month. Please don’t ignore it again.

Redfish230339-#7,493 to: -1 ¥ Redfish ¥ “hmmm, then why do the laws of every state call for two counts of murder if a pregnant woman is killed?

NFBW230309-#7,494 to: -1 “Because it is a pregnant woman’s body and her decision to terminate her pregnancy because she may not wish to assume the risk to her physical well being that going to full term and giving birth will entail.

An outside party has no right to make the decision to terminate a pregnancy and thus a fetus that can cause no harm to said outside Party.”

NFBW221127-#5,863 “It is murder of two persons because the unborn person using the pregnant woman’s body to be alive is protected from harm through the rights granted to the pregnant woman whether the mother wants the child or not.

miketx221109-#5,462 miketx when a pregnant woman is murdered, why is the killer charged with a double homicide?

NFBW221110-#5,485 “Because it should be murder if two (or more if twins and triplets etc) are murdered. •••• The killer is killing the pregnant woman and the (potential viable human being) that is attached to the living, breathing viable woman who is with child.

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bullshit

 

[Redfish]

" Inbred Semantics Perpetuated By Trifling Trolls "

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Without a live birth that is required of a citizen , by equitable doctrine , a zygote , or embryo , or fetus is without constitutional protections and is without a wright to life .

Any conjectural or perceived offenses against a ZEF are in fact offenses against the mother , and as with any other act of violence against the mother , an appropriate penalty may be issued for the offense .

For example , animal cruelty laws do not imbue constitutional wrights on an animal .

nice try--------------------FAIL

 

[whutTHEYsay]

In Islam, and most religions, abortion is forbidden. Islam is considerably liberal concerning abortion, which is dependent on (i) the threat of harm to mothers, (ii) the status of the pregnancy before or after ensoulment (on the 120th day of gestation), and (iii) the presence of foetal anomalies that are incompatible with life.

NFBW: Normal American Christians who love liberty and justice for all and who seek to care equally about women as they do about men should would could morally accept the Jewish concept of ensoulment much more easily than the Muslim version in my opinion as an outside observer to all religions and philosophies on the meaning of life.

The Catholic concept that ensoulment takes place at conception is the anomaly among the big three western belief systems but all three religions contributed to the rise of western civilization perhaps a little bit more than their existence prevented or slowed it.

Protestant white Christians were compatible with the concept of quickening in common law until the Roe v Wade era began as civilization began to tske a major leap forward for women.

It was then that Catholic intellectuals and money began the aggressive religious political propaganda crusade against the conscience of America. Which is strange because the Great Catholic intellectual himself Saint Thomas Aquinas rejected the concept that ensouled life begins at conception.

The white mostly Republican Party today demands intellectual conformity to the male dominant Catholic Roman Church doctrine that human life’s value begins at conception.

The Republican PARTY is driving all civilization backwards same as driving America’s secular greatness backwards.

MAGA should be MAMA. Make America Medieval Again!

¥ CarsomyrPlusSix and San Souci and Redfish ¥ are a testament to that,

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[Redfish]

NFBW: Normal American Christians who love liberty and justice for all and who seek to care equally about women as they do about men should would could morally accept the Jewish concept of ensoulment much more easily than the Muslim version in my opinion as an outside observer to all religions and philosophies on the meaning of life.

The Catholic concept that ensoulment takes place at conception is the anomaly among the big three western belief systems but all three religions contributed to the rise of western civilization perhaps a little bit more than their existence prevented or slowed it.

Protestant white Christians were compatible with the concept of quickening in common law until the Roe v Wade era began as civilization began to tske a major leap forward for women.

It was then that Catholic intellectuals and money began the aggressive religious political propaganda crusade against the conscience of America. Which is strange because the Great Catholic intellectual himself Saint Thomas Aquinas rejected the concept that ensouled life begins at conception.

The white mostly Republican Party today demands intellectual conformity to the male dominant Catholic Roman Church doctrine that human life’s value begins at conception.

The Republican PARTY is driving all civilization backwards same as driving America’s secular greatness backwards.

MAGA should be MAMA. Make America Medieval Again!

¥ CarsomyrPlusSix and San Souci and Redfish ¥ are a testament to that,

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the abortion debate is not about caring for women, it's about caring for unborn human beings. We all, 99% of us, agree that abortion should be legal to save the life of the mother or in the cases of rape and incest. Where is disagree is using abortion for birth control. its not complicated, the disagreement is on when life starts. We should put it to a vote and go with the majority opinion, why do you abortionists disagree with letting the people decide this?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

the abortion debate is not about caring for women,

Specifically black lower income pregnant women I might add:

https://www.cdc.gov › media › releases Racial and Ethnic Disparities Continue in Pregnancy-Related ...​

Black, American Indian, and Alaska Native (AI/AN) women are two to three times more likely to die from pregnancy-related causes than white women

 

[Redfish]

Specifically black lower income pregnant women I might add:

https://www.cdc.gov › media › releases Racial and Ethnic Disparities Continue in Pregnancy-Related ...​

Black, American Indian, and Alaska Native (AI/AN) women are two to three times more likely to die from pregnancy-related causes than white women

they are also much more likely to have abortions, so is the abortion cult about cleansing the population of minorities? Remember in the words of Margaret Sanger, founder of PP "negroes are human weeds that must be exterminated"

 

[Ms. Turquoise]

they are also much more likely to have abortions, so is the abortion cult about cleansing the population of minorities? Remember in the words of Margaret Sanger, founder of PP "negroes are human weeds that must be exterminated"

Is the ban on abortion about helping more Black babies survive? I heard it's about helping more White babies survive.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

so is the abortion cult about cleansing the population of minorities?

No. Keeping abortion legal and accessible during the first twenty two weeks saves lives of human beings who have a brain and meet the Constitutional requirements of live birth to gain the right to life to which all born human beings become entitled.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Arrogance Of Miscreants Hubris Of Failing To Consider All Obvious Things "

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the abortion debate is not about caring for women, it's about caring for unborn human beings. We all, 99% of us, agree that abortion should be legal to save the life of the mother or in the cases of rape and incest. Where is disagree is using abortion for birth control. its not complicated, the disagreement is on when life starts. We should put it to a vote and go with the majority opinion, why do you abortionists disagree with letting the people decide this?

And most of the disingenuous traitors against a credo of e pluribus unum and individualism come up short in their knowledge for basic realities of with cause abortion ; and , developmental anomalies associated with maternal health easily account for any remaining with cause abortions between 14 and 20 weeks due to congenital malformations .

Lethal Developmental Defects: An Overview

About 3% of all conceptions are associated with major congenital malformations, many of them are lethal developmental defect and genetic in origin or teratogenic (adverse effects of the environment during gametogenesis or early embryogenesis). Genetics with or without adverse environment has...

www.scirp.org

About 3% of all conceptions are associated with major congenital malformations, many of them are lethal developmental defect and genetic in origin or teratogenic (adverse effects of the envi- ronment during gametogenesis or early embryogenesis).

What the data says about abortion in the U.S.

The U.S. abortion rate has generally declined since the 1980s, but there have been slight upticks in the late 2010s and early 2020s.

www.pewresearch.org

The vast majority of abortions occur during the first trimester of a pregnancy. In 2020, 93% of abortions occurred during the first trimester – that is, at or before 13 weeks of gestation, according to the CDC. An additional 6% occurred between 14 and 20 weeks of pregnancy, and 1% were performed at 21 weeks or more of gestation. These CDC figures include data from 40 states and New York City (but not the rest of New York).

 

[whutTHEYsay]

"negroes are human weeds that must be exterminated"

You are a liar. Sanger never said “Negroes are human weeds that need to be exterminated” *1

Sanger was shamefully disgraced by her association with Eugenics along with so many WASP Political leaders like Teddy Roosevelt and business leaders like Henry Ford. The “P” in WASP stands for Protestant so white Christians were well into that. But she did not target Negroes for extermination through planned parenthood. That is a fact.

Sanger’s stated mission was to empower women to make their own reproductive choices. She did focus her efforts on minority communities, because that was where, due to poverty and limited access to health care, women were especially vulnerable to the effects of unplanned pregnancy. As she framed it, birth control was the fundamental women’s rights issue. “Enforced motherhood,” she wrote in 1914, “is the most complete denial of a woman’s right to life and liberty.”


*1 She wrote: “Birth Control is not contraception indiscriminately and thoughtlessly practiced. It means the release and cultivation of the better racial elements in our society, and the gradual suppression, elimination and eventual extirpation of defective stocks — those human weeds which threaten the blooming of the finest flowers of American civilization."

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Redfish230330-#8,045 to: -1 ¥ Redfish ¥ “We should put it to a vote and go with the majority opinion, why do you abortionists disagree with letting the people decide this?”

NFBW: There is no need to vote on when life starts. Life starts at conception..

You expose your disbelief that fetal life has value equal to its mother when you insist that that a bunch of hillbilly know-nothings ought to vote to cement an opinion like that into law. Quite absurd if you think about it.

The United States just stepped over the line into being another banana republic.

Just wondering if that could be worse than the Trump Catholic Theocracy we got in the Biblical states by his SCOTUS picks and the Dobbs decision.

And it is fascinating to hear an election denier complaining about a grand jury doing its job mean we’ve become a banana republic. The absurd keep getting more and more absurd as all the criminality of their God chosen whitish with hints of Orange messiah catches up to him. And them.

The 2020 election was stolen.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

It’s a sad day for real Americans.

I'm not a big Trump fan, I only voted for him when he proved in the debate that Hillary supported partial-birth abortion.

NFBW: Did the Dobbs decision ¥ Blackrook ¥ resolve all your abortion issues thanks to Trump?

Blackrook230303-#1 ¥ Blackrook ¥ “I am Catholic, so it is a matter of faith to me that at the moment of conception, God creates a human soul attached to the zygote.”

NFBW: How do you know more about the timing of ensoulment in the womb than Saint Thomas Aquinas who didn’t buy into your moment of conception theory? He is a Catholic Saint is he not?

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[beagle9]

" Avoiding Sufficient Doubt Air Gaps Self Serving To Hooligans "

* Hopefully Helpful Advice *

It is likely that the peanut gallery is not understanding conscience , as all will remain speculative about the onset of consciousness , or conscientious objection by way of sentience and empathy .

The peanut gallery understands that " without cause " abortion does not occur when " with cause " abortion is valid for developmental anomalies .

As abortion for developmental anomalies constitute " with cause " abortion and are principally identified between 13 and 20 weeks of pregnancy , and as " without cause " abortions principally occur prior to when " with cause " abortions , debates about a live birth requirement , or onset of sentience , are rhetorical , though remaining the constitutional and ethical standards by which to equally protect the negative liberties of individuals against populism of democracy as tyranny by majority .

In a different domain , or realm , 120 days would be argued as a premise for an onset of consciousness , however the timeline does not satisfy modern medical standards or principles of individual liberty for the resolution of developmental anomalies .

Controversies and considerations regarding the termination of pregnancy for Foetal Anomalies in Islam - BMC Medical Ethics

Background Approximately one-fourth of all the inhabitants on earth are Muslims. Due to unprecedented migration, physicians are often confronted with cultures other than their own that adhere to different pdigms. Discussion In Islam, and most religions, abortion is forbidden. Islam is...

bmcmedethics.biomedcentral.com

In Islam, and most religions, abortion is forbidden. Islam is considerably liberal concerning abortion, which is dependent on (i) the threat of harm to mothers, (ii) the status of the pregnancy before or after ensoulment (on the 120th day of gestation), and (iii) the presence of foetal anomalies that are incompatible with life.

What an attempt at elitist con-foolery that doesn't address the true moral reasoning that has been explained here to ridiculous level's about why abortion was sent back to the state's, and why it should remain there.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

What an attempt at elitist con-foolery that doesn't address the true moral reasoning that has been explained here to ridiculous level's about why abortion was sent back to the state's, and why it should remain there.

What moral reasoning bans abortion access in states where Jewish minorities live who according to their religion believe life begins at first breath. It is un-American as hell.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

When it comes to religion, you cockbite, I don’t have a dog in that fight.

NFBW: Actually when it comes to reproductive rights for women in America you vote for political representation on that issue in anti-choice groupthink with white Christians. You vote against black Christians who are pro choice. That is having a big nasty religious dog in the fight.

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[Redfish]

Redfish230330-#8,045 to: -1 ¥ Redfish ¥ “We should put it to a vote and go with the majority opinion, why do you abortionists disagree with letting the people decide this?”

NFBW: There is no need to vote on when life starts. Life starts at conception..

You expose your disbelief that fetal life has value equal to its mother when you insist that that a bunch of hillbilly know-nothings ought to vote to cement an opinion like that into law. Quite absurd if you think about it.




Just wondering if that could be worse than the Trump Catholic Theocracy we got in the Biblical states by his SCOTUS picks and the Dobbs decision.

And it is fascinating to hear an election denier complaining about a grand jury doing its job mean we’ve become a banana republic. The absurd keep getting more and more absurd as all the criminality of their God chosen whitish with hints of Orange messiah catches up to him. And them.

the scam indictment will fail, there is zero evidence and the legal arguments are bullshit. But Trump thanks you idiots, you just insured his 2024 win.

 

[Redfish]

NFBW: Normal American Christians who love liberty and justice for all and who seek to care equally about women as they do about men should would could morally accept the Jewish concept of ensoulment much more easily than the Muslim version in my opinion as an outside observer to all religions and philosophies on the meaning of life.

The Catholic concept that ensoulment takes place at conception is the anomaly among the big three western belief systems but all three religions contributed to the rise of western civilization perhaps a little bit more than their existence prevented or slowed it.

Protestant white Christians were compatible with the concept of quickening in common law until the Roe v Wade era began as civilization began to tske a major leap forward for women.

It was then that Catholic intellectuals and money began the aggressive religious political propaganda crusade against the conscience of America. Which is strange because the Great Catholic intellectual himself Saint Thomas Aquinas rejected the concept that ensouled life begins at conception.

The white mostly Republican Party today demands intellectual conformity to the male dominant Catholic Roman Church doctrine that human life’s value begins at conception.

The Republican PARTY is driving all civilization backwards same as driving America’s secular greatness backwards.

MAGA should be MAMA. Make America Medieval Again!

¥ CarsomyrPlusSix and San Souci and Redfish ¥ are a testament to that,

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that post is the most ignorant ever to appear on this forum. Nothing you said is accurate.

 

[BackAgain]

NFBW: Actually when it comes to reproductive rights for women in America you vote for political representation on that issue in anti-choice groupthink with white Christians. You vote against black Christians who are pro choice. That is having a big nasty religious dog in the fight.

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More or your inane introduction of religion.

End of discussion.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

BackAgain230330-#25 to: -1 ¥ BackAgain ¥ “When it comes to religion, {expletive dejected} , I don’t have a dog in that fight.“

NFBW: Your statement in 0025 @BackAgainmakes you a religious “none” or not affiliated with any mainstream religion such as white or black evangelical Christianity or rightwing Catholicism. Your anti-choice political position as a “none” has no power to make laws since the vast majority of “nones” vote Democrat and for pro choice candidates.

That is most importantly an objective and irrefutable fact necessarily in use for this discussion. You have absolutely no power or muscle in the abortion fight unless you stand behind the big white Catholic and evangelical Christian Holy and Sacred Dog.


Catholic Blackrook230303-#1 post 0001 says it best:

The Roe v. Wade decision was an overnight victory for those who support legalized abortion. In one day, the laws of 50 states were swept away.

The Christian Right was energized into action. They organized and became powerful, and began affected elections and lobbying Congress on many other issues.

The Catholics, once 70% Democrat, went to 50% Democrat, and those who remained Democrat weren't faithful Catholics. The Catholics who attend Mass regularly became overwhelmingly Republican.

The Christian Right was instrumental in making sure the abolition of Roe v. Wade was a plank on the Republican platform, even though moderates were less concerned with the issue.

Blackrook230303-#1 @Blackrook “I am Catholic, so it is a matter of faith to me that at the moment of conception, God creates a human soul attached to the zygote. Even if you don't go that far, Roe v. Wade allowed abortion all the way to the moment of birth.”


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