Roe overturned

.

Thanks for the Dissenting Opinion ...

They should be careful when they are a Supreme Court Justices and try to avoid all the caterwauling and hyperbole.
It might have served them better if they had attempted to find some Constitutional or legal grounds for their dissent.

It's what happens when Justices think they are politicians ... :thup:

.
It is bigger than just abortion. There are a number of rulings that the current court could use this same logic to get rid of.
Yes, and? That doesn't mean the judges will use that same logic.

What is it with you people and not allowing people in their individual states to decide these issues? It is easy to see the founders chose not to regulate marriage at the federal level, and chose to leave that matter to the states, and that even includes interracial marriage and gay marriage.

The right is celebrating, b/c they are all for protecting the life of the unborn child. The left is up in arms, because they feel this is an affront to a woman's right to choose.

IMO? I don't think this decision was about either. Yet, the decision itself, was written, for public consumption, and the pundits, are discussing it, as such.

We should look back in history, and remember, how the establishment was able to, and was prepared, to create, "medical martial law," when COVID finally hit, and what this ruling portends for the future. We should also remember, it was a conservative court that originally gave us Roe v. Wade in the first place.

The ruling classes, and the oligarchy, in the end, don't really care about the masses, not really. What they care about, is government and corporate power, and the long range agenda.

After that whole, hoaxed anthrax false flag, right after 911, which was traced back to one of our own bio-labs, legislation was written by Johns Hopkins elites, for all the state legislatures for, "medical martial law," which was what, in essence, was used, for the COVID authoritarian "medical martial law," measures, which were used to subvert people's constitutional rights. This is what led to medial lock-downs, mask mandates, restricted business closures and all of that other non-sense. Folks wondered, "where did all that power of the state come from?" Those rules and that legislation was written right after 911, it was clearly unconstitutional, but they were emergency state measures, which were given to STATE health authorities.

The same possibilities exist here, to take reproductive and family planning rights, and give them to corporations and genetic technology firms. The rights to start families could, conceivably be taken away from families, or be licensed by the state with this ruling, as infertility is projected to increase to over fifty percent of the population by the year 2050 due to micro-plastics and endocrine disputers and PFAS in the environment. (IOW? The state will deem who is worthy of reproduction.)


So, yes, in essence, you are right. However, it would need to be done on a state by state means, and, one would assume, this would be done by corporations writing this legislation, and having their bought and paid for politicians, introduce these bills, and manipulating the system to do something only their technology can be used for human reproduction.

It is something have been very concerned with.

It allows for the nexus of corporate power controlling the populace, where there is no clear guarantee of Constitutional rights.


If folks REALLY want to understand why this ruling came down now, and why it is important?

I would recommend the following reading.

Transhumanism: A Final Corporate Takeover of Humanity​

"Humanity is now at a crossroads. With the exponential growth of technology, we have the capability to bring a great turning or destroy the world."

Delinking the “human” from human rights: artificial intelligence and transhumanism​

The development of artificial intelligence and transhumanism are challenging what it means to be human—and who (or what) constitutes the “human” in human rights.

The War Over Life, Liberty and Privacy Rights: From Abortion to COVID-19 and Beyond​


". . . In Planned Parenthood v. Casey (1992), the Supreme Court reaffirmed its earlier ruling in Roe when it prohibited states from imposing an “undue burden” or “substantial obstacle in the path of a woman seeking an abortion before the fetus attains viability.”

Thirty years later, in the case of Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, the Supreme Court is poised to revisit whether the Constitution—namely, the Fourteenth Amendment—truly provides for the right to an abortion.

At a time when abortion is globally accessible (approximately 73 million abortions are carried out every year), legally expedient form of birth control (it is used to end more than 60% of unplanned pregnancies), and considered a societal norm (according to the Pew Research Center, a majority of Americans continue to believe that abortion should be legal in all or most cases), it’s debatable whether it will ever be truly possible to criminalize abortion altogether.

No matter how the Supreme Court rules in Dobbs, it will not resolve the problem of a culture that values life based on a sliding scale. Nor will it help us navigate the moral, ethical and scientific minefields that await us as technology and humanity move ever closer to a point of singularity.

Here’s what I know.

Life is an inalienable right. By allowing the government to decide who or what is deserving of rights, it shifts the entire discussion from one in which we are “endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights” (that of life, liberty property and the pursuit of happiness) to one in which only those favored by the government get to enjoy such rights. The abortion debate—a tug-of-war over when an unborn child is considered a human being with rights—lays the groundwork for discussions about who else may or may not be deserving of rights: the disabled, the aged, the infirm, the immoral, the criminal, etc. The death penalty is just one aspect of this debate. As theologian Francis Schaeffer warned early on: “The acceptance of death of human life in babies born or unborn opens the door to the arbitrary taking of any human life. From then on, it’s purely arbitrary.

If all people are created equal, then all lives should be equally worthy of protection. There’s an idea embraced by both the Right and the Left according to their biases that there is a hierarchy to life, with some lives worthier of protection than others. Out of that mindset is born the seeds of eugenics, genocide, slavery and war.

There is no hierarchy of freedoms. All freedoms hang together. Freedom cannot be a piece-meal venture. My good friend Nat Hentoff (1925-2017), a longtime champion of civil liberties and a staunch pro-lifer, often cited Cardinal Bernardin, who believed that a “consistent ethic of life” viewed all threats to life as immoral: “[N]uclear war threatens life on a previously unimaginable scale. Abortion takes life daily on a horrendous scale. Public executions are fast becoming weekly events in the most advanced technological society in history, and euthanasia is now openly discussed and even advocated. Each of these assaults on life has its own meaning and morality. They cannot be collapsed into one problem, but they must be confronted as pieces of a larger pattern.”

Beware slippery slopes. To suggest that the end justifies the means (for example, that abortion is justified in order to ensure a better quality of life for women and children) is to encourage a slippery slope mindset that could just as reasonably justify ending a life in order for the great good of preventing war, thwarting disease, defeating poverty, preserving national security, etc. Such arguments have been used in the past to justify such dubious propositions as subjecting segments of the population to secret scientific experiments, unleashing nuclear weapons on innocent civilians, and enslaving fellow humans. . . ."


Operation Warp Speed: Your One-Way Ticket To Total Surveillance​


Are we now prepared, for the States to have total control, over who can, and cannot become parents? To issue "parenting licenses?" Are we prepared to have to apply for authorization from the States to get "in vitro fertilization" services, like we get building permits? Are we ready for a world where only the well off, the genetically healthy, the rich, well connected, and politically "right thinking," are allowed to raise families? Are we ready for a world where big corporations edit and own your DNA?

:dunno:

IMO? THIS, is what this ruling now opens up that possibility for. . . . as much as the sanctity of life folks applaud it, it may, actually be a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Think about the agenda of the DAVOS and WEF crowd, and the necessary legal framework of what they need, in the context of this ruling. . .
 
Last edited:
This will be old and stale by November. Gas prices, inflation, and out of control crime will not. Careful what you wish for.

Maybe, but keep in mind that those on this forum calling for the end of same sex marriage using the same logic of this care are not outliers, they are the heart of the GOP. They will not wait till the mid-terms to start the push
 
WASHINGTON, D.C.—Democrats have temporarily pushed pause on the January 6th hearings in order to lead an insurrection against the federal government.
"On January 6th, a branch of our federal government was almost overthrown because politicians used dangerous rhetoric that caused—wait, hold on everyone, I just got the update. Roe's been overturned!" said Representative Adam Schiff. "Okay, well if all the Republicans could please sit tight, there will be a brief recess while our Democratic caucus takes to the streets demanding we overthrow a branch of the federal government."
After closing down their presentation entitled "How Trump Undermined Institutional Authority", Democrats raced to join the crowd surrounding the Supreme Court building. "Rigged! Rigged decision!" shouted Senator Elizabeth Warren. "Judges must no longer be allowed to hold power! We will never abide by an illegitimate decision by an illegitimate court. Fight, fight!" she screamed as beleaguered police arrived in riot gear.
Despite the fact liberal states will still have the most permissive abortion laws in the world outside North Korea, Democrats helpfully painted the Supreme Court's decision as a matter of life and death. "They are literally going to enslave every woman in America and force them to have 17 babies," said Representative Ilhan Omar to a group of mentally unstable lunatics.
"Which is why the Supreme Court cannot stand! To the streets!" she shouted, then returned to the House for a speech on why Trump's words were directly responsible for violence.
At publishing time, the January 6 committee had resumed its hearings to the stark sound of no one caring.


LOL, Babylon Bee. Always good for a laugh.
 
This ruling is going to lead to more “MOSTLY PEACEFUL” protests?

Of course it will.

Hey, cult…..just a thought…….PUT IT ON THE FUCKING BALLOT.

Hay, maybe someone blame Jackson’s Women’s Health Organization for suing to get 15 weeks changed.

THEY POKED THE BEAR. FUCKING STUPID.
 
Nope. This ain’t goin away
Four months of continued Biden fuck ups can dampen the fervor of the most ardent babykillers. Remember that Ukraine thing, that didn't go away, but nobody talks about now. You idiots have the attention span of gnats.
 
I know a lot of guys paying child support who’d disagree.
The moral of this story is a lot of guys will prefer to use protection from now on, or wait till the right girl comes along as virgins who don't want to create second-class citizens who don't even know who their daddy is.Their mother may not either.
 
I never said a fetus is not human. So because they add on punishment to a criminal for the murder of a pregnant woman you think women shouldn't be able to choose an abortion?

No we think your leftist argument
It’s not a life is bullshit and this proves it.
 
This is total insanity, but that is what the so-called pro-life movement was all about. It was never about for life it was about anti-abortion and all the hatred against women. You can't be pro-life and have your guns too. You can't be for the death penalty and be pro-life. You people are a joke, a bad joke.
I am Jewish. I am pro-life. I am anti-gun. I support Welfare. Yesterday we studied the part of Talmud which obligates people to give charity. Liberal and Conservative ideologies have flaws.
 
The right is celebrating, b/c they are all of protecting the life of the unborn child. The left is up in arms, because they feel this is an affront to a woman's right to choose.

IMO? I don't think this decision was about either. Yet, the decision itself, was written, for public consumption, and the pundits, are discussing it, as such.

We should look back in history, and remember, how the establishment was able to, and was prepared, to create, "medical martion law," when COVID finally hit, and what this ruling portends for the future. We should also remember, it was a conservative court that originally gave us Roe v. Wade in the first place.

The ruling classes, and the oligarchy, in the end, don't really care about the masses, not really. What they care about, is government and corporate power, and the long range agenda.

After that whole, hoaxed anthrax false flag, right after 911, which was traced back to one of our own bio-labs, legislation was written by Johns Hopkins elites, for all the state legislatures for, "medical martial law," which was what, in essence, was used, for the COVID authoritarian "medical martial law," measures, which were used to subvert people's constitutional rights. This is what led to medial lock-downs, mask mandates, restricted business closures and all of that other non-sense. Folks wondered, "where did all that power of the state come from?" Those rules and that legislation was written right after 911, it was clearly unconstitutional, but they were emergency state measures, which were given to STATE health authorities.

The same possibilities exist here, to take reproductive and family planning rights, and give them to corporations and genetic technology firms. The rights to start families could, conceivably be taken away from families, or be licensed by the state with this ruling, as infertility is projected to increase to over fifty percent of the population by the year 2050 due to micro-plastics and endocrine disputers and PFAS in the environment. (IOW? The state will deem who is worthy of reproduction.)


So, yes, in essence, you are right. However, it would need to be done on a state by state means, and, one would assume, this would be done by corporations writing this legislation, and having their bought and paid for politicians, introduce these bills, and manipulating the system to do something only their technology can be used for human reproduction.

It is something have been very concerned with.

It allows for the nexus of corporate power controlling the populace, where there is no clear guarantee of Constitutional rights.


If folks REALLY want to understand why this ruling came down now, and why it is important?

I would recommend the following reading.

Transhumanism: A Final Corporate Takeover of Humanity​

"Humanity is now at a crossroads. With the exponential growth of technology, we have the capability to bring a great turning or destroy the world."

Delinking the “human” from human rights: artificial intelligence and transhumanism​

The development of artificial intelligence and transhumanism are challenging what it means to be human—and who (or what) constitutes the “human” in human rights.

The War Over Life, Liberty and Privacy Rights: From Abortion to COVID-19 and Beyond​


". . . In Planned Parenthood v. Casey (1992), the Supreme Court reaffirmed its earlier ruling in Roe when it prohibited states from imposing an “undue burden” or “substantial obstacle in the path of a woman seeking an abortion before the fetus attains viability.”

Thirty years later, in the case of Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, the Supreme Court is poised to revisit whether the Constitution—namely, the Fourteenth Amendment—truly provides for the right to an abortion.

At a time when abortion is globally accessible (approximately 73 million abortions are carried out every year), legally expedient form of birth control (it is used to end more than 60% of unplanned pregnancies), and considered a societal norm (according to the Pew Research Center, a majority of Americans continue to believe that abortion should be legal in all or most cases), it’s debatable whether it will ever be truly possible to criminalize abortion altogether.

No matter how the Supreme Court rules in Dobbs, it will not resolve the problem of a culture that values life based on a sliding scale. Nor will it help us navigate the moral, ethical and scientific minefields that await us as technology and humanity move ever closer to a point of singularity.

Here’s what I know.

Life is an inalienable right. By allowing the government to decide who or what is deserving of rights, it shifts the entire discussion from one in which we are “endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights” (that of life, liberty property and the pursuit of happiness) to one in which only those favored by the government get to enjoy such rights. The abortion debate—a tug-of-war over when an unborn child is considered a human being with rights—lays the groundwork for discussions about who else may or may not be deserving of rights: the disabled, the aged, the infirm, the immoral, the criminal, etc. The death penalty is just one aspect of this debate. As theologian Francis Schaeffer warned early on: “The acceptance of death of human life in babies born or unborn opens the door to the arbitrary taking of any human life. From then on, it’s purely arbitrary.

If all people are created equal, then all lives should be equally worthy of protection. There’s an idea embraced by both the Right and the Left according to their biases that there is a hierarchy to life, with some lives worthier of protection than others. Out of that mindset is born the seeds of eugenics, genocide, slavery and war.

There is no hierarchy of freedoms. All freedoms hang together. Freedom cannot be a piece-meal venture. My good friend Nat Hentoff (1925-2017), a longtime champion of civil liberties and a staunch pro-lifer, often cited Cardinal Bernardin, who believed that a “consistent ethic of life” viewed all threats to life as immoral: “[N]uclear war threatens life on a previously unimaginable scale. Abortion takes life daily on a horrendous scale. Public executions are fast becoming weekly events in the most advanced technological society in history, and euthanasia is now openly discussed and even advocated. Each of these assaults on life has its own meaning and morality. They cannot be collapsed into one problem, but they must be confronted as pieces of a larger pattern.”

Beware slippery slopes. To suggest that the end justifies the means (for example, that abortion is justified in order to ensure a better quality of life for women and children) is to encourage a slippery slope mindset that could just as reasonably justify ending a life in order for the great good of preventing war, thwarting disease, defeating poverty, preserving national security, etc. Such arguments have been used in the past to justify such dubious propositions as subjecting segments of the population to secret scientific experiments, unleashing nuclear weapons on innocent civilians, and enslaving fellow humans. . . ."


Operation Warp Speed: Your One-Way Ticket To Total Surveillance​


Are we now prepared, for the States to have total control, over who can, and cannot become parents? To issue "parenting licenses?" Are we prepared to have to apply for authorization from the States to get "in vitro fertilization" services, like we get building permits? Are we ready for a world where only the well off, the genetically healthy, the rich, well connected, and politically "right thinking," are allowed to raise families? Are we ready for a world where big corporations edit and own your DNA?

:dunno:

IMO? THIS, is what this ruling now opens up that possibility for. . . . as much as the sanctity of life folks applaud it, it may, actually be a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Think about the agenda of the DAVOS and WEF crowd, and the necessary legal framework of what they need, in the context of this ruling. . .
.

If you want to destroy a Nation ... Convince it to destroy itself in the name of Humanity.

.


.
 
.

If you want to destroy a Nation ... Convince it to destroy itself in the name of Humanity.

.


.

. . . yes, who would have thought losing a federal, "right to choose," might lead to a global corporate right to choose for you. . . . :sigh2:
 
The Court is the final arbitrator of the Constitution.

But only Congress can make law. If the Dems pick up two seats in November, the filibuster is gone, and abortion rights will be the law of the land.

And since the filibuster will be gone, a wrecking ball will be taken to conservative laws upheld by the court.

Citizens United. Gone

Voting Rights Act. Reinstated

National background check law for all gun purchases

National right to unionize workplaces in all 50 states

And that's just the short list.
 

Forum List

Back
Top