Revisiting That Dirty Popular Vote Thing Again

[hadit]

The SCOTUS can't change the electoral college. That requires changing the constitution and that's not the SCOTUS's job.

Congress can.

Not without a constitutional amendment, they can't.

 

[hadit]

The SCOTUS can't change the electoral college. That requires changing the constitution and that's not the SCOTUS's job.

I am sick of hearing that Hillary won the "popular vote" when that doesn't even count for anything! What counts is the popular vote AT THE STATE LEVEL, after that, it becomes 50 STATE elections. You don't win a country,

YOU WIN STATES.

You'd think democrats and Hillary would KNOW that considering that she was both First Lady, New York Senator and Secretary of STATE.

So I went back and wanted to look at the data a bit different way.

I'm also sick of hearing how pathetic the red states are. So I wanted to know, just what WAS each candidate really up against in 2016 and what did they really win?

In 2016, Hillary won TWENTY states, Trump won THIRTY. To win a state, you have to go up against all voters in a given state; the more people, the more likely voters so, the harder it is to win. And by winning a state, you also win and carry the voice of that state and the people that go in it. So what exactly did the 2016 candidates win?

I looked up the latest tallies of state population, and in the 20 states that Hillary won, her states total population (THE BLUE STATES) was: 2016 BLUE STATE POPULATION = 140,743,676.

And the thirty states that Trump won? 2016 RED STATE POPULATION = 163,435,276.

Yes. Trump's states have 22,691,600 more people in them. A not so small fact I've never seen mentioned before. What is the significance of this?

Trump won 30 states with nearly 23 million more people in them compared to Hillary's 20 states. Not only does that mean you had to carry sway with more people in more states (and by implication, means Trump represented a far greater diversity of the nation!), it means that there are many millions of people who either didn't vote last time or voted against Trump in states he won before who could decide to come out and vote this time or switch their vote to Trump after the recent fiasco of years of Democrats making false claims and accusations all proven wrong and spending tens of millions of dollars of hard earned taxpayer money on silly Russia investigations and a baseless, desperate, petulant, childish impeachment that was nothing more than an abuse of House power resulting in a near Constitutional crisis.

Democrats have stirred up an angry hornets nest, meantime, with the likes of who they have to represent them this time, Democrats may find many of themselves demoralized bowing to the futility.

The 50 US States Ranked By Population

In case anyone wants to check my math.

Trump has 30 states and a potential of up to TWENTY MILLION additional voters this time around, his supporters are pissed, and that is if he doesn't even win any additional states!

Democrats CAN'T feel good about that.

I didn't take the time of counting votes, but anyway Clinton and Gore both won the majority vote.

In order to win the majority, they would have had to win over 50% of the vote, but just the most votes. Math means something.

 

[hadit]

The SCOTUS can't change the electoral college. That requires changing the constitution and that's not the SCOTUS's job.

I am sick of hearing that Hillary won the "popular vote" when that doesn't even count for anything! What counts is the popular vote AT THE STATE LEVEL, after that, it becomes 50 STATE elections. You don't win a country,

YOU WIN STATES.

You'd think democrats and Hillary would KNOW that considering that she was both First Lady, New York Senator and Secretary of STATE.

So I went back and wanted to look at the data a bit different way.

I'm also sick of hearing how pathetic the red states are. So I wanted to know, just what WAS each candidate really up against in 2016 and what did they really win?

In 2016, Hillary won TWENTY states, Trump won THIRTY. To win a state, you have to go up against all voters in a given state; the more people, the more likely voters so, the harder it is to win. And by winning a state, you also win and carry the voice of that state and the people that go in it. So what exactly did the 2016 candidates win?

I looked up the latest tallies of state population, and in the 20 states that Hillary won, her states total population (THE BLUE STATES) was: 2016 BLUE STATE POPULATION = 140,743,676.

And the thirty states that Trump won? 2016 RED STATE POPULATION = 163,435,276.

Yes. Trump's states have 22,691,600 more people in them. A not so small fact I've never seen mentioned before. What is the significance of this?

Trump won 30 states with nearly 23 million more people in them compared to Hillary's 20 states. Not only does that mean you had to carry sway with more people in more states (and by implication, means Trump represented a far greater diversity of the nation!), it means that there are many millions of people who either didn't vote last time or voted against Trump in states he won before who could decide to come out and vote this time or switch their vote to Trump after the recent fiasco of years of Democrats making false claims and accusations all proven wrong and spending tens of millions of dollars of hard earned taxpayer money on silly Russia investigations and a baseless, desperate, petulant, childish impeachment that was nothing more than an abuse of House power resulting in a near Constitutional crisis.

Democrats have stirred up an angry hornets nest, meantime, with the likes of who they have to represent them this time, Democrats may find many of themselves demoralized bowing to the futility.

The 50 US States Ranked By Population

In case anyone wants to check my math.

Trump has 30 states and a potential of up to TWENTY MILLION additional voters this time around, his supporters are pissed, and that is if he doesn't even win any additional states!

Democrats CAN'T feel good about that.

I didn't take the time of counting votes, but anyway Clinton and Gore both won the majority vote.

Actually, even that isn't really quite true. In Florida, they wrongly called the vote early for Gore despite the fact that the panhandle was in a different time zone and had another hour before their polls closed, and hearing that Gore had already won, people stopped voting early, no doubt costing GW many votes he should have gotten.

Yet Gore won the popular vote. You can dish it up anyway you want, but its written in history that Gore and Clinton won the popular vote.

Yippee Skippee. They won it under a system that ignores it. Had the popular vote been the real prize, you would have seen completely different campaigning methods from all candidates, which means their winning it under this system is meaningless. You might as well say a basketball team actually won games they lost before the advent of the three point shot because most of their points were scored from long shots while their opponents scored easy layups.

 

[hadit]

The SCOTUS can't change the electoral college. That requires changing the constitution and that's not the SCOTUS's job.

Congress can.

No they cant.
This is a perfect example of how america has fallen so far.
Our voting block is full of morons.

Yes they can, it would take a 2/3 vote.

No, Congress would have to first approve it, then the individual states would also have to approve it. Not going to happen any time soon.

 

[hadit]

I am sick of hearing that Hillary won the "popular vote" when that doesn't even count for anything! What counts is the popular vote AT THE STATE LEVEL, after that, it becomes 50 STATE elections. You don't win a country,

YOU WIN STATES.

You'd think democrats and Hillary would KNOW that considering that she was both First Lady, New York Senator and Secretary of STATE.

So I went back and wanted to look at the data a bit different way.

I'm also sick of hearing how pathetic the red states are. So I wanted to know, just what WAS each candidate really up against in 2016 and what did they really win?

In 2016, Hillary won TWENTY states, Trump won THIRTY. To win a state, you have to go up against all voters in a given state; the more people, the more likely voters so, the harder it is to win. And by winning a state, you also win and carry the voice of that state and the people that go in it. So what exactly did the 2016 candidates win?

I looked up the latest tallies of state population, and in the 20 states that Hillary won, her states total population (THE BLUE STATES) was: 2016 BLUE STATE POPULATION = 140,743,676.

And the thirty states that Trump won? 2016 RED STATE POPULATION = 163,435,276.

Yes. Trump's states have 22,691,600 more people in them. A not so small fact I've never seen mentioned before. What is the significance of this?

Trump won 30 states with nearly 23 million more people in them compared to Hillary's 20 states. Not only does that mean you had to carry sway with more people in more states (and by implication, means Trump represented a far greater diversity of the nation!), it means that there are many millions of people who either didn't vote last time or voted against Trump in states he won before who could decide to come out and vote this time or switch their vote to Trump after the recent fiasco of years of Democrats making false claims and accusations all proven wrong and spending tens of millions of dollars of hard earned taxpayer money on silly Russia investigations and a baseless, desperate, petulant, childish impeachment that was nothing more than an abuse of House power resulting in a near Constitutional crisis.

Democrats have stirred up an angry hornets nest, meantime, with the likes of who they have to represent them this time, Democrats may find many of themselves demoralized bowing to the futility.

The 50 US States Ranked By Population

In case anyone wants to check my math.

Trump has 30 states and a potential of up to TWENTY MILLION additional voters this time around, his supporters are pissed, and that is if he doesn't even win any additional states!

Democrats CAN'T feel good about that.

No question Trump won the states. That means that he gets to claim the presidency.


What he doesn’t get to claim is that the American people support him or his policies. .......They didn’t.

Yet he CAN implement his policies and make them stick, just like Obama was able to implement obamadontcare despite it being unpopular.

 

[ReinyDays]

Al Gore lost the 2000 election in Tennessee ... how does someone NOT win their home state? ...

Hillary lost in 2016 by promising in Michigan to force the state to pay the costs of cleaning up Flint's water supply, and she lost Pennsylvania by promising there to close all the coal mines ... alternately just flip Montana or North Dakota and she's President right now ...

The EC keeps a candidate from just focusing on large rich states ... they have to toss the small poor states some bones ... alas, Democrats can't learn from their own mistakes ... just watch their nominee cruise into Texas promising to end gas and oil production ...

 

[Lesh]

Yet he CAN implement his policies and make them stick, just like Obama was able to implement obamadontcare despite it being unpopular.

It's damn popular now (despite GOP attempts to mess it up)

I guess you really DID have to pass it to know how good it is...Nancy Pelosi was right...as usual

 

[M14 Shooter]

Yet he CAN implement his policies and make them stick, just like Obama was able to implement obamadontcare despite it being unpopular.

It's damn popular now....

... which is why the Democrats running for President are currently looking to replace it.

 

[Lesh]

. which is why the Democrats running for President are currently looking to replace it.

Not Biden

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yet he CAN implement his policies and make them stick, just like Obama was able to implement obamadontcare despite it being unpopular.

It's damn popular now (despite GOP attempts to mess it up)

I guess you really DID have to pass it to know how good it is...Nancy Pelosi was right...as usual

That's not what she said.

 

[Lesh]

That's not what she said.

Pretty damn close and it's what she meant.

Guess what?

She was right

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That's not what she said.

Pretty damn close and it's what she meant.

Guess what?

She was right

Oh, more leftist mind reading again. You knew what she was thinking.

 

[hadit]

Yet he CAN implement his policies and make them stick, just like Obama was able to implement obamadontcare despite it being unpopular.

It's damn popular now (despite GOP attempts to mess it up)

I guess you really DID have to pass it to know how good it is...Nancy Pelosi was right...as usual

The definition of a stool sample.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The SCOTUS can't change the electoral college. That requires changing the constitution and that's not the SCOTUS's job.

Congress can.

Congress can NOT, it takes an amendment to the US Constitution.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The SCOTUS can't change the electoral college. That requires changing the constitution and that's not the SCOTUS's job.

Congress can.

No they cant.
This is a perfect example of how america has fallen so far.
Our voting block is full of morons.

Yes they can, it would take a 2/3 vote.

No they can not It takes an amendment.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yet he CAN implement his policies and make them stick, just like Obama was able to implement obamadontcare despite it being unpopular.

It's damn popular now (despite GOP attempts to mess it up)

I guess you really DID have to pass it to know how good it is...Nancy Pelosi was right...as usual

The definition of a stool sample.

She said we have to pass it to find out what's in it. What she really meant is we have to pass it regardless what's in it.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The SCOTUS can't change the electoral college. That requires changing the constitution and that's not the SCOTUS's job.

Congress can.

No they cant.
This is a perfect example of how america has fallen so far.
Our voting block is full of morons.

Sure they can:

Do you know that state legislatures hired their senators, so the Constitution is a living and breathing document, it can be interpreted many ways, like the bible, that is the reason for the Supreme Court, and individual justices that aren't swayed by the Potus.

The Senate, which now has 100 members, has two senators from each state. Until 1913, senators were elected by their state legislatures. But since the adoption of Amendment XVII, senators have been elected directly by the voters of their states. To be a senator, a person must be more than 30 years old, must have been an American citizen for at least nine years, and must live in the state he or she represents. Senators may serve for an unlimited number of six-year terms.
Constitution: What It Says, What It Means Archives – Annenberg Classroom

A state can make it so each congressional district counts its own votes but Congress can not change the electoral College with OUT an amendment.

 

[airplanemechanic]

The SCOTUS can't change the electoral college. That requires changing the constitution and that's not the SCOTUS's job.

Congress can.

No they cant.
This is a perfect example of how america has fallen so far.
Our voting block is full of morons.

Yes they can, it would take a 2/3 vote.

No they can not It takes an amendment.

Who do you think passes amendments?

Constitutional Amendment Process

Oh yea, CONGRESS, with a 2/3 majority. Oh look I was right all along and you were wrong. Stop spreading disinformation.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The SCOTUS can't change the electoral college. That requires changing the constitution and that's not the SCOTUS's job.

Congress can.

No they cant.
This is a perfect example of how america has fallen so far.
Our voting block is full of morons.

Yes they can, it would take a 2/3 vote.

No they can not It takes an amendment.

Who do you think passes amendments?

Constitutional Amendment Process

Oh yea, CONGRESS, with a 2/3 majority. Oh look I was right all along and you were wrong. Stop spreading disinformation.

look you dumb ass Congress CREATES the amendment States pass the amendment.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The SCOTUS can't change the electoral college. That requires changing the constitution and that's not the SCOTUS's job.

Congress can.

No they cant.
This is a perfect example of how america has fallen so far.
Our voting block is full of morons.

Yes they can, it would take a 2/3 vote.

No they can not It takes an amendment.

Who do you think passes amendments?

Constitutional Amendment Process

Oh yea, CONGRESS, with a 2/3 majority. Oh look I was right all along and you were wrong. Stop spreading disinformation.

You did not bother to read your OWN link, try reading it retard. Congress proposes States approve.