Revisiting That Dirty Popular Vote Thing Again

The SCOTUS can't change the electoral college. That requires changing the constitution and that's not the SCOTUS's job.
I am sick of hearing that Hillary won the "popular vote" when that doesn't even count for anything! What counts is the popular vote AT THE STATE LEVEL, after that, it becomes 50 STATE elections. You don't win a country,

YOU WIN STATES.

You'd think democrats and Hillary would KNOW that considering that she was both First Lady, New York Senator and Secretary of STATE.

So I went back and wanted to look at the data a bit different way.

I'm also sick of hearing how pathetic the red states are. So I wanted to know, just what WAS each candidate really up against in 2016 and what did they really win?

In 2016, Hillary won TWENTY states, Trump won THIRTY. To win a state, you have to go up against all voters in a given state; the more people, the more likely voters so, the harder it is to win. And by winning a state, you also win and carry the voice of that state and the people that go in it. So what exactly did the 2016 candidates win?

I looked up the latest tallies of state population, and in the 20 states that Hillary won, her states total population (THE BLUE STATES) was: 2016 BLUE STATE POPULATION = 140,743,676.

And the thirty states that Trump won? 2016 RED STATE POPULATION = 163,435,276.

Yes. Trump's states have 22,691,600 more people in them. A not so small fact I've never seen mentioned before. What is the significance of this?

Trump won 30 states with nearly 23 million more people in them compared to Hillary's 20 states. Not only does that mean you had to carry sway with more people in more states (and by implication, means Trump represented a far greater diversity of the nation!), it means that there are many millions of people who either didn't vote last time or voted against Trump in states he won before who could decide to come out and vote this time or switch their vote to Trump after the recent fiasco of years of Democrats making false claims and accusations all proven wrong and spending tens of millions of dollars of hard earned taxpayer money on silly Russia investigations and a baseless, desperate, petulant, childish impeachment that was nothing more than an abuse of House power resulting in a near Constitutional crisis.

Democrats have stirred up an angry hornets nest, meantime, with the likes of who they have to represent them this time, Democrats may find many of themselves demoralized bowing to the futility.

The 50 US States Ranked By Population

In case anyone wants to check my math.

Trump has 30 states and a potential of up to TWENTY MILLION additional voters this time around, his supporters are pissed, and that is if he doesn't even win any additional states! ;)

Democrats CAN'T feel good about that.

I didn't take the time of counting votes, but anyway Clinton and Gore both won the majority vote.


Actually, even that isn't really quite true. In Florida, they wrongly called the vote early for Gore despite the fact that the panhandle was in a different time zone and had another hour before their polls closed, and hearing that Gore had already won, people stopped voting early, no doubt costing GW many votes he should have gotten.


Gore lost the election because he didn't win his home state of Tennessee...and he also didn't win bill clinton's home state of Arkansas...had he won either one, he would have been President, and not had to try to steal the election...

Yet he won the popular vote.
 
The SCOTUS can't change the electoral college. That requires changing the constitution and that's not the SCOTUS's job.
I am sick of hearing that Hillary won the "popular vote" when that doesn't even count for anything! What counts is the popular vote AT THE STATE LEVEL, after that, it becomes 50 STATE elections. You don't win a country,

YOU WIN STATES.

You'd think democrats and Hillary would KNOW that considering that she was both First Lady, New York Senator and Secretary of STATE.

So I went back and wanted to look at the data a bit different way.

I'm also sick of hearing how pathetic the red states are. So I wanted to know, just what WAS each candidate really up against in 2016 and what did they really win?

In 2016, Hillary won TWENTY states, Trump won THIRTY. To win a state, you have to go up against all voters in a given state; the more people, the more likely voters so, the harder it is to win. And by winning a state, you also win and carry the voice of that state and the people that go in it. So what exactly did the 2016 candidates win?

I looked up the latest tallies of state population, and in the 20 states that Hillary won, her states total population (THE BLUE STATES) was: 2016 BLUE STATE POPULATION = 140,743,676.

And the thirty states that Trump won? 2016 RED STATE POPULATION = 163,435,276.

Yes. Trump's states have 22,691,600 more people in them. A not so small fact I've never seen mentioned before. What is the significance of this?

Trump won 30 states with nearly 23 million more people in them compared to Hillary's 20 states. Not only does that mean you had to carry sway with more people in more states (and by implication, means Trump represented a far greater diversity of the nation!), it means that there are many millions of people who either didn't vote last time or voted against Trump in states he won before who could decide to come out and vote this time or switch their vote to Trump after the recent fiasco of years of Democrats making false claims and accusations all proven wrong and spending tens of millions of dollars of hard earned taxpayer money on silly Russia investigations and a baseless, desperate, petulant, childish impeachment that was nothing more than an abuse of House power resulting in a near Constitutional crisis.

Democrats have stirred up an angry hornets nest, meantime, with the likes of who they have to represent them this time, Democrats may find many of themselves demoralized bowing to the futility.

The 50 US States Ranked By Population

In case anyone wants to check my math.

Trump has 30 states and a potential of up to TWENTY MILLION additional voters this time around, his supporters are pissed, and that is if he doesn't even win any additional states! ;)

Democrats CAN'T feel good about that.

I didn't take the time of counting votes, but anyway Clinton and Gore both won the majority vote.


Actually, even that isn't really quite true. In Florida, they wrongly called the vote early for Gore despite the fact that the panhandle was in a different time zone and had another hour before their polls closed, and hearing that Gore had already won, people stopped voting early, no doubt costing GW many votes he should have gotten.


Gore lost the election because he didn't win his home state of Tennessee...and he also didn't win bill clinton's home state of Arkansas...had he won either one, he would have been President, and not had to try to steal the election...

Yet he won the popular vote.


And that is like saying the Bears won the game because they ran more yards than the Packers.....but the Packers scored more actual points......
 
The SCOTUS can't change the electoral college. That requires changing the constitution and that's not the SCOTUS's job.
I am sick of hearing that Hillary won the "popular vote" when that doesn't even count for anything! What counts is the popular vote AT THE STATE LEVEL, after that, it becomes 50 STATE elections. You don't win a country,

YOU WIN STATES.

You'd think democrats and Hillary would KNOW that considering that she was both First Lady, New York Senator and Secretary of STATE.

So I went back and wanted to look at the data a bit different way.

I'm also sick of hearing how pathetic the red states are. So I wanted to know, just what WAS each candidate really up against in 2016 and what did they really win?

In 2016, Hillary won TWENTY states, Trump won THIRTY. To win a state, you have to go up against all voters in a given state; the more people, the more likely voters so, the harder it is to win. And by winning a state, you also win and carry the voice of that state and the people that go in it. So what exactly did the 2016 candidates win?

I looked up the latest tallies of state population, and in the 20 states that Hillary won, her states total population (THE BLUE STATES) was: 2016 BLUE STATE POPULATION = 140,743,676.

And the thirty states that Trump won? 2016 RED STATE POPULATION = 163,435,276.

Yes. Trump's states have 22,691,600 more people in them. A not so small fact I've never seen mentioned before. What is the significance of this?

Trump won 30 states with nearly 23 million more people in them compared to Hillary's 20 states. Not only does that mean you had to carry sway with more people in more states (and by implication, means Trump represented a far greater diversity of the nation!), it means that there are many millions of people who either didn't vote last time or voted against Trump in states he won before who could decide to come out and vote this time or switch their vote to Trump after the recent fiasco of years of Democrats making false claims and accusations all proven wrong and spending tens of millions of dollars of hard earned taxpayer money on silly Russia investigations and a baseless, desperate, petulant, childish impeachment that was nothing more than an abuse of House power resulting in a near Constitutional crisis.

Democrats have stirred up an angry hornets nest, meantime, with the likes of who they have to represent them this time, Democrats may find many of themselves demoralized bowing to the futility.

The 50 US States Ranked By Population

In case anyone wants to check my math.

Trump has 30 states and a potential of up to TWENTY MILLION additional voters this time around, his supporters are pissed, and that is if he doesn't even win any additional states! ;)

Democrats CAN'T feel good about that.

I didn't take the time of counting votes, but anyway Clinton and Gore both won the majority vote.

Which is like saying the losing football team ran more yards. Or that you lost a game of 8 ball to me, but you got more balls in the pocket. It's irrelevant.

Here's the thing: you people complain about the EC, but you have no idea how an actual popular vote would work out for you. Take NY or CA for instance. There are probably a lot of Trump supporters or Republican voters in general that don't come out to vote unless there are other local issues. Why should they? Their vote won't count for anything. Their state has no chance at supporting a Republican. So they just stay home.

Like the EC works for Republican's. Its not anybody's fault the republicans don't vote. The 2nd populous state the republicans vote in, and is a red state.

I never said it was anybody's fault. I'm just stating a fact. Our primary is coming up for Congress. What's the point of me voting? There is no possible way a Republican will win the House in my district. Why would it matter to me which Republican is nominated? It's not worth my time to vote.

I'm sure it's the same way with hard red states. What's the point of a Democrat voting? The only difference is that blue states usually have a much larger population than red states. So if we went to a popular vote, your side might get slaughtered even worse than if you just stuck with the electoral college.
 
The SCOTUS can't change the electoral college. That requires changing the constitution and that's not the SCOTUS's job.

Congress can.
No they cant.
This is a perfect example of how america has fallen so far.
Our voting block is full of morons.

Sure they can:

Do you know that state legislatures hired their senators, so the Constitution is a living and breathing document, it can be interpreted many ways, like the bible, that is the reason for the Supreme Court, and individual justices that aren't swayed by the Potus.

The Senate, which now has 100 members, has two senators from each state. Until 1913, senators were elected by their state legislatures. But since the adoption of Amendment XVII, senators have been elected directly by the voters of their states. To be a senator, a person must be more than 30 years old, must have been an American citizen for at least nine years, and must live in the state he or she represents. Senators may serve for an unlimited number of six-year terms.
Constitution: What It Says, What It Means Archives – Annenberg Classroom
 
Jesus

Get over it. Clinton won the popular vote resoundingly.

Trump squeaked out an electoral win.

Are you trying to set the groundwork for a repeat?

Or are you just whining
 
Jesus

Get over it. Clinton won the popular vote resoundingly.

Trump squeaked out an electoral win.

Are you trying to set the groundwork for a repeat?

Or are you just whining

Just whining.
 
The SCOTUS can't change the electoral college. That requires changing the constitution and that's not the SCOTUS's job.

Congress can.
No they cant.
This is a perfect example of how america has fallen so far.
Our voting block is full of morons.

Sure they can:

Do you know that state legislatures hired their senators, so the Constitution is a living and breathing document, it can be interpreted many ways, like the bible, that is the reason for the Supreme Court, and individual justices that aren't swayed by the Potus.

The Senate, which now has 100 members, has two senators from each state. Until 1913, senators were elected by their state legislatures. But since the adoption of Amendment XVII, senators have been elected directly by the voters of their states. To be a senator, a person must be more than 30 years old, must have been an American citizen for at least nine years, and must live in the state he or she represents. Senators may serve for an unlimited number of six-year terms.
Constitution: What It Says, What It Means Archives – Annenberg Classroom
OMFG congress can NOT change the constitution whenever they feel like it.
For gawd sakes, don't vote.
 
Jesus

Get over it. Clinton won the popular vote resoundingly.

Trump squeaked out an electoral win.

Are you trying to set the groundwork for a repeat?

Or are you just whining
thank gawd thats all she won
 
The SCOTUS can't change the electoral college. That requires changing the constitution and that's not the SCOTUS's job.

Congress can.
No they cant.
This is a perfect example of how america has fallen so far.
Our voting block is full of morons.

Sure they can:

Do you know that state legislatures hired their senators, so the Constitution is a living and breathing document, it can be interpreted many ways, like the bible, that is the reason for the Supreme Court, and individual justices that aren't swayed by the Potus.

The Senate, which now has 100 members, has two senators from each state. Until 1913, senators were elected by their state legislatures. But since the adoption of Amendment XVII, senators have been elected directly by the voters of their states. To be a senator, a person must be more than 30 years old, must have been an American citizen for at least nine years, and must live in the state he or she represents. Senators may serve for an unlimited number of six-year terms.
Constitution: What It Says, What It Means Archives – Annenberg Classroom
OMFG congress can NOT change the constitution whenever they feel like it.
For gawd sakes, don't vote.

I vote in every election , even locals ones. I can't wait till the EC is eliminated, and the states are working on it.
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The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures.Aug 15, 2016

Constitutional Amendment Process | National Archives
 
The SCOTUS can't change the electoral college. That requires changing the constitution and that's not the SCOTUS's job.

Congress can.
No they cant.
This is a perfect example of how america has fallen so far.
Our voting block is full of morons.

Sure they can:

Do you know that state legislatures hired their senators, so the Constitution is a living and breathing document, it can be interpreted many ways, like the bible, that is the reason for the Supreme Court, and individual justices that aren't swayed by the Potus.

The Senate, which now has 100 members, has two senators from each state. Until 1913, senators were elected by their state legislatures. But since the adoption of Amendment XVII, senators have been elected directly by the voters of their states. To be a senator, a person must be more than 30 years old, must have been an American citizen for at least nine years, and must live in the state he or she represents. Senators may serve for an unlimited number of six-year terms.
Constitution: What It Says, What It Means Archives – Annenberg Classroom
OMFG congress can NOT change the constitution whenever they feel like it.
For gawd sakes, don't vote.

I vote in every election , even locals ones. I can't wait till the EC is eliminated, and the states are working on it.
-----------------------------------------------------

The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures.Aug 15, 2016

Constitutional Amendment Process | National Archives

Do you understand that by abolishing the EC, is abolishing the Republic for a Democracy?
 
The SCOTUS can't change the electoral college. That requires changing the constitution and that's not the SCOTUS's job.

Congress can.
No they cant.
This is a perfect example of how america has fallen so far.
Our voting block is full of morons.

Sure they can:

Do you know that state legislatures hired their senators, so the Constitution is a living and breathing document, it can be interpreted many ways, like the bible, that is the reason for the Supreme Court, and individual justices that aren't swayed by the Potus.

The Senate, which now has 100 members, has two senators from each state. Until 1913, senators were elected by their state legislatures. But since the adoption of Amendment XVII, senators have been elected directly by the voters of their states. To be a senator, a person must be more than 30 years old, must have been an American citizen for at least nine years, and must live in the state he or she represents. Senators may serve for an unlimited number of six-year terms.
Constitution: What It Says, What It Means Archives – Annenberg Classroom
OMFG congress can NOT change the constitution whenever they feel like it.
For gawd sakes, don't vote.

I vote in every election , even locals ones. I can't wait till the EC is eliminated, and the states are working on it.
-----------------------------------------------------

The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures.Aug 15, 2016

Constitutional Amendment Process | National Archives
Read what you just posted very slowly, think about it, then apologize.
 
How can Hillary have claimed she had no clue how United States Presidents were elected...how can Hillary / Democrats / snowflakes oppose the ELECTORAL COLLEGE and how it 'SCREWED HILLARY' IN 2016 ....

....when they are using almost an identical / extremely similar process - Super Delegates - they used in 2016 to SCREW BERNIE and will use again in 2020 to SCREW BERNIE AGAIN?!


'SUPER DELEGATES' - 'ELECTORAL COLLEGE'

THE DIFFERENCE?

ELECTORAL COLLEGE:
Created by The Founding Fathers to ensure equal representation of all states, to prevent super-populated cities from being able to dictate t the rest of the country how the nation will be governed.

SUPER DELEGATES:
Created by Democratic Party to ensure IT chooses Party nominees, not the actual voters.


The same Democrats whose process allows them to impose their will - dictating who their nominee will be despite what their voters / the people want - are the same ones who claim to oppose the process created by our Founding Fathers that ensures fair, equal representation / voice for all states....

Isn't that interesting?!


:rolleyes:
 
Congress can.
No they cant.
This is a perfect example of how america has fallen so far.
Our voting block is full of morons.

Sure they can:

Do you know that state legislatures hired their senators, so the Constitution is a living and breathing document, it can be interpreted many ways, like the bible, that is the reason for the Supreme Court, and individual justices that aren't swayed by the Potus.

The Senate, which now has 100 members, has two senators from each state. Until 1913, senators were elected by their state legislatures. But since the adoption of Amendment XVII, senators have been elected directly by the voters of their states. To be a senator, a person must be more than 30 years old, must have been an American citizen for at least nine years, and must live in the state he or she represents. Senators may serve for an unlimited number of six-year terms.
Constitution: What It Says, What It Means Archives – Annenberg Classroom
OMFG congress can NOT change the constitution whenever they feel like it.
For gawd sakes, don't vote.

I vote in every election , even locals ones. I can't wait till the EC is eliminated, and the states are working on it.
-----------------------------------------------------

The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures.Aug 15, 2016

Constitutional Amendment Process | National Archives
Read what you just posted very slowly, think about it, then apologize.

What am I to be apologizing for??
 
The SCOTUS can't change the electoral college. That requires changing the constitution and that's not the SCOTUS's job.

Congress can.
No they cant.
This is a perfect example of how america has fallen so far.
Our voting block is full of morons.

Sure they can:

Do you know that state legislatures hired their senators, so the Constitution is a living and breathing document, it can be interpreted many ways, like the bible, that is the reason for the Supreme Court, and individual justices that aren't swayed by the Potus.

The Senate, which now has 100 members, has two senators from each state. Until 1913, senators were elected by their state legislatures. But since the adoption of Amendment XVII, senators have been elected directly by the voters of their states. To be a senator, a person must be more than 30 years old, must have been an American citizen for at least nine years, and must live in the state he or she represents. Senators may serve for an unlimited number of six-year terms.
Constitution: What It Says, What It Means Archives – Annenberg Classroom
OMFG congress can NOT change the constitution whenever they feel like it.
For gawd sakes, don't vote.

I vote in every election , even locals ones. I can't wait till the EC is eliminated, and the states are working on it.
-----------------------------------------------------

The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures.Aug 15, 2016

Constitutional Amendment Process | National Archives

Of course you can't. Because when Democrats can't win by the rules, cheat the rules or try to change them. Democrats can't go face to face with a Republican on issues or the advancement of our country. They would rather attempt to cheat the system than change their radical views.
 
No they cant.
This is a perfect example of how america has fallen so far.
Our voting block is full of morons.

Sure they can:

Do you know that state legislatures hired their senators, so the Constitution is a living and breathing document, it can be interpreted many ways, like the bible, that is the reason for the Supreme Court, and individual justices that aren't swayed by the Potus.

The Senate, which now has 100 members, has two senators from each state. Until 1913, senators were elected by their state legislatures. But since the adoption of Amendment XVII, senators have been elected directly by the voters of their states. To be a senator, a person must be more than 30 years old, must have been an American citizen for at least nine years, and must live in the state he or she represents. Senators may serve for an unlimited number of six-year terms.
Constitution: What It Says, What It Means Archives – Annenberg Classroom
OMFG congress can NOT change the constitution whenever they feel like it.
For gawd sakes, don't vote.

I vote in every election , even locals ones. I can't wait till the EC is eliminated, and the states are working on it.
-----------------------------------------------------

The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures.Aug 15, 2016

Constitutional Amendment Process | National Archives
Read what you just posted very slowly, think about it, then apologize.

What am I to be apologizing for??
Continuing to argue with me over something I have already proven you to be wrong about.
 
The SCOTUS can't change the electoral college. That requires changing the constitution and that's not the SCOTUS's job.
I am sick of hearing that Hillary won the "popular vote" when that doesn't even count for anything! What counts is the popular vote AT THE STATE LEVEL, after that, it becomes 50 STATE elections. You don't win a country,

YOU WIN STATES.

You'd think democrats and Hillary would KNOW that considering that she was both First Lady, New York Senator and Secretary of STATE.

So I went back and wanted to look at the data a bit different way.

I'm also sick of hearing how pathetic the red states are. So I wanted to know, just what WAS each candidate really up against in 2016 and what did they really win?

In 2016, Hillary won TWENTY states, Trump won THIRTY. To win a state, you have to go up against all voters in a given state; the more people, the more likely voters so, the harder it is to win. And by winning a state, you also win and carry the voice of that state and the people that go in it. So what exactly did the 2016 candidates win?

I looked up the latest tallies of state population, and in the 20 states that Hillary won, her states total population (THE BLUE STATES) was: 2016 BLUE STATE POPULATION = 140,743,676.

And the thirty states that Trump won? 2016 RED STATE POPULATION = 163,435,276.

Yes. Trump's states have 22,691,600 more people in them. A not so small fact I've never seen mentioned before. What is the significance of this?

Trump won 30 states with nearly 23 million more people in them compared to Hillary's 20 states. Not only does that mean you had to carry sway with more people in more states (and by implication, means Trump represented a far greater diversity of the nation!), it means that there are many millions of people who either didn't vote last time or voted against Trump in states he won before who could decide to come out and vote this time or switch their vote to Trump after the recent fiasco of years of Democrats making false claims and accusations all proven wrong and spending tens of millions of dollars of hard earned taxpayer money on silly Russia investigations and a baseless, desperate, petulant, childish impeachment that was nothing more than an abuse of House power resulting in a near Constitutional crisis.

Democrats have stirred up an angry hornets nest, meantime, with the likes of who they have to represent them this time, Democrats may find many of themselves demoralized bowing to the futility.

The 50 US States Ranked By Population

In case anyone wants to check my math.

Trump has 30 states and a potential of up to TWENTY MILLION additional voters this time around, his supporters are pissed, and that is if he doesn't even win any additional states! ;)

Democrats CAN'T feel good about that.

I didn't take the time of counting votes, but anyway Clinton and Gore both won the majority vote.


Actually, even that isn't really quite true. In Florida, they wrongly called the vote early for Gore despite the fact that the panhandle was in a different time zone and had another hour before their polls closed, and hearing that Gore had already won, people stopped voting early, no doubt costing GW many votes he should have gotten.

Yet Gore won the popular vote. You can dish it up anyway you want, but its written in history that Gore and Clinton won the popular vote.
You can dish it up any way you want, they still lost the election.
 
The SCOTUS can't change the electoral college. That requires changing the constitution and that's not the SCOTUS's job.
I am sick of hearing that Hillary won the "popular vote" when that doesn't even count for anything! What counts is the popular vote AT THE STATE LEVEL, after that, it becomes 50 STATE elections. You don't win a country,

YOU WIN STATES.

You'd think democrats and Hillary would KNOW that considering that she was both First Lady, New York Senator and Secretary of STATE.

So I went back and wanted to look at the data a bit different way.

I'm also sick of hearing how pathetic the red states are. So I wanted to know, just what WAS each candidate really up against in 2016 and what did they really win?

In 2016, Hillary won TWENTY states, Trump won THIRTY. To win a state, you have to go up against all voters in a given state; the more people, the more likely voters so, the harder it is to win. And by winning a state, you also win and carry the voice of that state and the people that go in it. So what exactly did the 2016 candidates win?

I looked up the latest tallies of state population, and in the 20 states that Hillary won, her states total population (THE BLUE STATES) was: 2016 BLUE STATE POPULATION = 140,743,676.

And the thirty states that Trump won? 2016 RED STATE POPULATION = 163,435,276.

Yes. Trump's states have 22,691,600 more people in them. A not so small fact I've never seen mentioned before. What is the significance of this?

Trump won 30 states with nearly 23 million more people in them compared to Hillary's 20 states. Not only does that mean you had to carry sway with more people in more states (and by implication, means Trump represented a far greater diversity of the nation!), it means that there are many millions of people who either didn't vote last time or voted against Trump in states he won before who could decide to come out and vote this time or switch their vote to Trump after the recent fiasco of years of Democrats making false claims and accusations all proven wrong and spending tens of millions of dollars of hard earned taxpayer money on silly Russia investigations and a baseless, desperate, petulant, childish impeachment that was nothing more than an abuse of House power resulting in a near Constitutional crisis.

Democrats have stirred up an angry hornets nest, meantime, with the likes of who they have to represent them this time, Democrats may find many of themselves demoralized bowing to the futility.

The 50 US States Ranked By Population

In case anyone wants to check my math.

Trump has 30 states and a potential of up to TWENTY MILLION additional voters this time around, his supporters are pissed, and that is if he doesn't even win any additional states! ;)

Democrats CAN'T feel good about that.

I didn't take the time of counting votes, but anyway Clinton and Gore both won the majority vote.


Actually, even that isn't really quite true. In Florida, they wrongly called the vote early for Gore despite the fact that the panhandle was in a different time zone and had another hour before their polls closed, and hearing that Gore had already won, people stopped voting early, no doubt costing GW many votes he should have gotten.


Gore lost the election because he didn't win his home state of Tennessee...and he also didn't win bill clinton's home state of Arkansas...had he won either one, he would have been President, and not had to try to steal the election...

Yet he won the popular vote.
And what did that get him?
 
How can Hillary have claimed she had no clue how United States Presidents were elected...how can Hillary / Democrats / snowflakes oppose the ELECTORAL COLLEGE and how it 'SCREWED HILLARY' IN 2016 ....

....when they are using almost an identical / extremely similar process - Super Delegates - they used in 2016 to SCREW BERNIE and will use again in 2020 to SCREW BERNIE AGAIN?!


'SUPER DELEGATES' - 'ELECTORAL COLLEGE'

THE DIFFERENCE?

ELECTORAL COLLEGE:
Created by The Founding Fathers to ensure equal representation of all states, to prevent super-populated cities from being able to dictate t the rest of the country how the nation will be governed.

SUPER DELEGATES:
Created by Democratic Party to ensure IT chooses Party nominees, not the actual voters.


The same Democrats whose process allows them to impose their will - dictating who their nominee will be despite what their voters / the people want - are the same ones who claim to oppose the process created by our Founding Fathers that ensures fair, equal representation / voice for all states....

Isn't that interesting?!


:rolleyes:

IF and when we do away with the EC, and all this delegate BS, you can still have 2 Senators from each state, so you don't have to bitch about this:

to ensure equal representation of all states, to prevent super-populated cities from being able to dictate t the rest of the country how the nation will be governed.
 
The SCOTUS can't change the electoral college. That requires changing the constitution and that's not the SCOTUS's job.
I am sick of hearing that Hillary won the "popular vote" when that doesn't even count for anything! What counts is the popular vote AT THE STATE LEVEL, after that, it becomes 50 STATE elections. You don't win a country,

YOU WIN STATES.

You'd think democrats and Hillary would KNOW that considering that she was both First Lady, New York Senator and Secretary of STATE.

So I went back and wanted to look at the data a bit different way.

I'm also sick of hearing how pathetic the red states are. So I wanted to know, just what WAS each candidate really up against in 2016 and what did they really win?

In 2016, Hillary won TWENTY states, Trump won THIRTY. To win a state, you have to go up against all voters in a given state; the more people, the more likely voters so, the harder it is to win. And by winning a state, you also win and carry the voice of that state and the people that go in it. So what exactly did the 2016 candidates win?

I looked up the latest tallies of state population, and in the 20 states that Hillary won, her states total population (THE BLUE STATES) was: 2016 BLUE STATE POPULATION = 140,743,676.

And the thirty states that Trump won? 2016 RED STATE POPULATION = 163,435,276.

Yes. Trump's states have 22,691,600 more people in them. A not so small fact I've never seen mentioned before. What is the significance of this?

Trump won 30 states with nearly 23 million more people in them compared to Hillary's 20 states. Not only does that mean you had to carry sway with more people in more states (and by implication, means Trump represented a far greater diversity of the nation!), it means that there are many millions of people who either didn't vote last time or voted against Trump in states he won before who could decide to come out and vote this time or switch their vote to Trump after the recent fiasco of years of Democrats making false claims and accusations all proven wrong and spending tens of millions of dollars of hard earned taxpayer money on silly Russia investigations and a baseless, desperate, petulant, childish impeachment that was nothing more than an abuse of House power resulting in a near Constitutional crisis.

Democrats have stirred up an angry hornets nest, meantime, with the likes of who they have to represent them this time, Democrats may find many of themselves demoralized bowing to the futility.

The 50 US States Ranked By Population

In case anyone wants to check my math.

Trump has 30 states and a potential of up to TWENTY MILLION additional voters this time around, his supporters are pissed, and that is if he doesn't even win any additional states! ;)

Democrats CAN'T feel good about that.

I didn't take the time of counting votes, but anyway Clinton and Gore both won the majority vote.


Actually, even that isn't really quite true. In Florida, they wrongly called the vote early for Gore despite the fact that the panhandle was in a different time zone and had another hour before their polls closed, and hearing that Gore had already won, people stopped voting early, no doubt costing GW many votes he should have gotten.


Gore lost the election because he didn't win his home state of Tennessee...and he also didn't win bill clinton's home state of Arkansas...had he won either one, he would have been President, and not had to try to steal the election...

Yet he won the popular vote.
And what did that get him?

Knowing he won the popular vote and how unfair the EC is??

By the way why do we have the EC??
 

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