Revisiting That Dirty Popular Vote Thing Again

[RetiredGySgt]

As I suspected at first electors were chosen by State Government not by popular vote. When that changed in the early to mud 1800's it went to winner take all. There was NEVER a time when a majority of States did by district so Maine and Nebraska are actually odd men out.United States Electoral College - Wikipedia

from the article

In 1789, at-large popular vote, the winner-take-all method, began with Pennsylvania and Maryland; Virginia and Delaware used a district plan by popular vote, and in the five other states participating in the election (Connecticut, Georgia, New Hampshire, New Jersey, and South Carolina),[42] state legislatures chose. By 1800, Virginia and Rhode Island voted at-large, Kentucky, Maryland, and North Carolina voted popularly by district, and eleven states voted by state legislature. Beginning in 1804 there was a definite trend towards the winner-take-all system for statewide popular vote.[43]

By 1832, only South Carolina chose their electors this way, and it abandoned the method after 1860.[43] States using popular vote by district have included ten states from all regions of the country. By 1832, there was only Maryland, and from 1836 district plans fell out of use until the 20th century, though Michigan used a district plan for 1892 only.[44]

Since 1836, statewide winner-take-all popular voting for electors has been the almost universal practice. As of 2016, Maine (from 1972) and Nebraska (from 1996) use the district plan, with two at-large electors assigned to support the winner of the statewide popular vote.[45]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College#cite_note-45

 

[RetiredGySgt]

look you dumb ass Congress CREATES the amendment States pass the amendment.

From my link:

"The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures."

And so I was right, congress does do it. Thanks!.

It says PROPOSE, read the next few paragraphs you retard the STATES not Congress approve an amendment.

Uh huh, and without congress the states would have to propose the amendment and that has never happened in the history of our nation.

So no amendment can happen without congress.

Thanks for playing!

You CLAIMED Congress approves amendments they don't.

yes...
Congress CREATES an amendment, with 2/3s vote of the house and Senate, then 3/4s of the State legislators have to approve the amendment Congress created, before the amendment is valid, or approved

Article 5 of the U.S. Constitution Summary - Amendment Ratification

And the FACT is that ONLY the States as a whole can APPROVE an amendment NOT the Congress. He claimed several times that Congress APPROVED amendments.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Where ya at Care? The reality is that there has NEVER been a time when a plurality of States used the district method. and while Hamilton was whining about it most States didn't even vote on electors the State Legislature picked them.

 

[toobfreak]

Trump squeaked out an electoral win.

Winning ten more states and 306 EC votes to Hillary's 240 is a bit more than a "squeak."

More like a THUMP.

Relax dude. A paltry 80,000 votes spread across three states accounted for that electoral “ thumping “

so what was the point of this thread anyway?
Standard Trumper whining and braggadocio?

SURE it did, Lush, SURE it did.

Your very post confirms you are sweating blood. Trump has a hundred different ways to skin a cat and with Biden, Sanders or Bloomberg your likely opponent this time, the job just got a whole lot easier!

 

[hadit]

The SCOTUS can't change the electoral college. That requires changing the constitution and that's not the SCOTUS's job.

Congress can.

No they cant.
This is a perfect example of how america has fallen so far.
Our voting block is full of morons.

Yes they can, it would take a 2/3 vote.

No they can not It takes an amendment.

Who do you think passes amendments?

Constitutional Amendment Process

Oh yea, CONGRESS, with a 2/3 majority. Oh look I was right all along and you were wrong. Stop spreading disinformation.

You forgot the states then have to ratify it. No, you were wrong all along. Think the ERA, and stop spreading disinformation.

 

[hadit]

No they can not It takes an amendment.

Who do you think passes amendments?

Constitutional Amendment Process

Oh yea, CONGRESS, with a 2/3 majority. Oh look I was right all along and you were wrong. Stop spreading disinformation.

look you dumb ass Congress CREATES the amendment States pass the amendment.

From my link:

"The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures."

And so I was right, congress does do it. Thanks!.

It says PROPOSE, read the next few paragraphs you retard the STATES not Congress approve an amendment.

Uh huh, and without congress the states would have to propose the amendment and that has never happened in the history of our nation.

So no amendment can happen without congress.

Thanks for playing!

Look up constitutional convention. Congress isn't necessary.

 

[hadit]

I am sick of hearing that Hillary won the "popular vote" when that doesn't even count for anything! What counts is the popular vote AT THE STATE LEVEL, after that, it becomes 50 STATE elections. You don't win a country,

YOU WIN STATES.

You'd think democrats and Hillary would KNOW that considering that she was both First Lady, New York Senator and Secretary of STATE.

So I went back and wanted to look at the data a bit different way.

I'm also sick of hearing how pathetic the red states are. So I wanted to know, just what WAS each candidate really up against in 2016 and what did they really win?

In 2016, Hillary won TWENTY states, Trump won THIRTY. To win a state, you have to go up against all voters in a given state; the more people, the more likely voters so, the harder it is to win. And by winning a state, you also win and carry the voice of that state and the people that go in it. So what exactly did the 2016 candidates win?

I looked up the latest tallies of state population, and in the 20 states that Hillary won, her states total population (THE BLUE STATES) was: 2016 BLUE STATE POPULATION = 140,743,676.

And the thirty states that Trump won? 2016 RED STATE POPULATION = 163,435,276.

Yes. Trump's states have 22,691,600 more people in them. A not so small fact I've never seen mentioned before. What is the significance of this?

Trump won 30 states with nearly 23 million more people in them compared to Hillary's 20 states. Not only does that mean you had to carry sway with more people in more states (and by implication, means Trump represented a far greater diversity of the nation!), it means that there are many millions of people who either didn't vote last time or voted against Trump in states he won before who could decide to come out and vote this time or switch their vote to Trump after the recent fiasco of years of Democrats making false claims and accusations all proven wrong and spending tens of millions of dollars of hard earned taxpayer money on silly Russia investigations and a baseless, desperate, petulant, childish impeachment that was nothing more than an abuse of House power resulting in a near Constitutional crisis.

Democrats have stirred up an angry hornets nest, meantime, with the likes of who they have to represent them this time, Democrats may find many of themselves demoralized bowing to the futility.

The 50 US States Ranked By Population

In case anyone wants to check my math.

Trump has 30 states and a potential of up to TWENTY MILLION additional voters this time around, his supporters are pissed, and that is if he doesn't even win any additional states!

Democrats CAN'T feel good about that.

Hillary won the popular vote

Yeah, hold onto that. It might help.

 

[iceberg]

Where ya at Care? The reality is that there has NEVER been a time when a plurality of States used the district method. and while Hamilton was whining about it most States didn't even vote on electors the State Legislature picked them.

you hit her with facts. she has to regroup and think of another round of generic cheerleader bullshit she never thinks all the way through to try and make HER side the one right for their own moralistic reasons that change as often as a new babys diapers and not be worth as much as said baby shit.

 

[Ame®icano]

look you dumb ass Congress CREATES the amendment States pass the amendment.

From my link:

"The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures."

And so I was right, congress does do it. Thanks!.

It says PROPOSE, read the next few paragraphs you retard the STATES not Congress approve an amendment.

Uh huh, and without congress the states would have to propose the amendment and that has never happened in the history of our nation.

So no amendment can happen without congress.

Thanks for playing!

You CLAIMED Congress approves amendments they don't.

yes...
Congress CREATES an amendment, with 2/3s vote of the house and Senate, then 3/4s of the State legislators have to approve the amendment Congress created, before the amendment is valid, or approved

Article 5 of the U.S. Constitution Summary - Amendment Ratification

The way you put it, it seems that only Congress "creates" amendments. Article V says otherwise.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

From my link:

"The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures."

And so I was right, congress does do it. Thanks!.

It says PROPOSE, read the next few paragraphs you retard the STATES not Congress approve an amendment.

Uh huh, and without congress the states would have to propose the amendment and that has never happened in the history of our nation.

So no amendment can happen without congress.

Thanks for playing!

You CLAIMED Congress approves amendments they don't.

yes...
Congress CREATES an amendment, with 2/3s vote of the house and Senate, then 3/4s of the State legislators have to approve the amendment Congress created, before the amendment is valid, or approved

Article 5 of the U.S. Constitution Summary - Amendment Ratification

And the FACT is that ONLY the States as a whole can APPROVE an amendment NOT the Congress. He claimed several times that Congress APPROVED amendments.

It doesn't really matter much. We've become such a divided country and more divided every year, that passing an amendment is impossible. I mean......who would have thought ten years ago that in the very near future, Biden and Piglosi would be considered moderates?

 

[bripat9643]

The founders originally discussed the House of Representatives and Senate would pick or vote on who would be President and vice president.... but they thought that could be too contentious.

So Hamilton primarily, created the electoral college, where each state got 1 elector, for each congressional district, and one elector for each US Senator, and at the time Senators represented the State govt, and each US Congressman represented we the people, within their own congressional district.

The electors .modeled our representation and state's representation in the federal govt. The house and Senate vote was replaced by electors....

In the House, when they vote on anything, each congress critter has their own individual vote, representing their own congressional district....the Electors given them for each congressional district in each state, should vote the same way....

It's nuts that the States changed it to the winner of the State takes all electors.... it's WHACKO that we the people no longer have an elector for our congressional district and the State took our vote and representation of choosing our President away from us.

My state is one of the exceptions.

We only have two congressional Districts, so Maine gets 2 electors for our two US congressmen, plus they get 2 electors representing our Senators who represent the State govt in D.C..

4 electors in total.

District 1, voted for Hillary. 1 elector
District 2, voted for Trump, 1 elector for him

In the overall vote in the state, Hillary got the most votes by us citizens.... So the State, gave the 2 electors representing the two US Senators, went to Hillary, for winning the State's popular vote.

Hillary 3 electors
Trump 1 elector

Where is the evidence to support your claims about the Founders?

 

[M14 Shooter]

No they cant.
This is a perfect example of how america has fallen so far.
Our voting block is full of morons.

Yes they can, it would take a 2/3 vote.

No they can not It takes an amendment.

Who do you think passes amendments?

Constitutional Amendment Process

Oh yea, CONGRESS, with a 2/3 majority. Oh look I was right all along and you were wrong. Stop spreading disinformation.

look you dumb ass Congress CREATES the amendment States pass the amendment.

From my link:

"The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures."

And so I was right, congress does do it. Thanks!.

Congress can create an amendment; it is then sent to the states for ratification,.
The creation of an amendment by congress, in an of itself, means nothing.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Hillary won the popular vote

Why isn't she President?

 

[dblack]

I didn't take the time of counting votes, but anyway Clinton and Gore both won the majority vote.

They really didn't. Your claim ignores the fact that we didn't have a popular vote election for President in 2016. We had an electoral college election. You can't just count up the votes cast in an electoral college election and pretend the total represents what the vote count would have been if we'd had a popular vote election. If we'd had an actual popular vote election, voters would have voted differently and candidates would have campaigned differently. Arguably, the parties would have nominated different candidates. The entire process would change. Whether that would be better for the country, or worse, is debatable. But this idea that Clinton "won" the popular vote is nonsense.

 

[Ame®icano]

I am sick of hearing that Hillary won the "popular vote" when that doesn't even count for anything! What counts is the popular vote AT THE STATE LEVEL, after that, it becomes 50 STATE elections. You don't win a country,

YOU WIN STATES.

You'd think democrats and Hillary would KNOW that considering that she was both First Lady, New York Senator and Secretary of STATE.

So I went back and wanted to look at the data a bit different way.

I'm also sick of hearing how pathetic the red states are. So I wanted to know, just what WAS each candidate really up against in 2016 and what did they really win?

In 2016, Hillary won TWENTY states, Trump won THIRTY. To win a state, you have to go up against all voters in a given state; the more people, the more likely voters so, the harder it is to win. And by winning a state, you also win and carry the voice of that state and the people that go in it. So what exactly did the 2016 candidates win?

I looked up the latest tallies of state population, and in the 20 states that Hillary won, her states total population (THE BLUE STATES) was: 2016 BLUE STATE POPULATION = 140,743,676.

And the thirty states that Trump won? 2016 RED STATE POPULATION = 163,435,276.

Yes. Trump's states have 22,691,600 more people in them. A not so small fact I've never seen mentioned before. What is the significance of this?

Trump won 30 states with nearly 23 million more people in them compared to Hillary's 20 states. Not only does that mean you had to carry sway with more people in more states (and by implication, means Trump represented a far greater diversity of the nation!), it means that there are many millions of people who either didn't vote last time or voted against Trump in states he won before who could decide to come out and vote this time or switch their vote to Trump after the recent fiasco of years of Democrats making false claims and accusations all proven wrong and spending tens of millions of dollars of hard earned taxpayer money on silly Russia investigations and a baseless, desperate, petulant, childish impeachment that was nothing more than an abuse of House power resulting in a near Constitutional crisis.

Democrats have stirred up an angry hornets nest, meantime, with the likes of who they have to represent them this time, Democrats may find many of themselves demoralized bowing to the futility.

The 50 US States Ranked By Population

In case anyone wants to check my math.

Trump has 30 states and a potential of up to TWENTY MILLION additional voters this time around, his supporters are pissed, and that is if he doesn't even win any additional states!

Democrats CAN'T feel good about that.

Hillary won the popular vote

So what? Trump won more states.

And if popular vote counts, why Barry was presidential candidate, and not her, since she had more votes than him in Dem Primaries?

 

[iceberg]

From my link:

"The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures."

And so I was right, congress does do it. Thanks!.

It says PROPOSE, read the next few paragraphs you retard the STATES not Congress approve an amendment.

Uh huh, and without congress the states would have to propose the amendment and that has never happened in the history of our nation.

So no amendment can happen without congress.

Thanks for playing!

You CLAIMED Congress approves amendments they don't.

yes...
Congress CREATES an amendment, with 2/3s vote of the house and Senate, then 3/4s of the State legislators have to approve the amendment Congress created, before the amendment is valid, or approved

Article 5 of the U.S. Constitution Summary - Amendment Ratification

The way you put it, it seems that only Congress "creates" amendments. Article V says otherwise.

she makes shit up as she goes.

 

[candycorn]

I am sick of hearing that Hillary won the "popular vote" when that doesn't even count for anything! What counts is the popular vote AT THE STATE LEVEL, after that, it becomes 50 STATE elections. You don't win a country,

YOU WIN STATES.

You'd think democrats and Hillary would KNOW that considering that she was both First Lady, New York Senator and Secretary of STATE.

So I went back and wanted to look at the data a bit different way.

I'm also sick of hearing how pathetic the red states are. So I wanted to know, just what WAS each candidate really up against in 2016 and what did they really win?

In 2016, Hillary won TWENTY states, Trump won THIRTY. To win a state, you have to go up against all voters in a given state; the more people, the more likely voters so, the harder it is to win. And by winning a state, you also win and carry the voice of that state and the people that go in it. So what exactly did the 2016 candidates win?

I looked up the latest tallies of state population, and in the 20 states that Hillary won, her states total population (THE BLUE STATES) was: 2016 BLUE STATE POPULATION = 140,743,676.

And the thirty states that Trump won? 2016 RED STATE POPULATION = 163,435,276.

Yes. Trump's states have 22,691,600 more people in them. A not so small fact I've never seen mentioned before. What is the significance of this?

Trump won 30 states with nearly 23 million more people in them compared to Hillary's 20 states. Not only does that mean you had to carry sway with more people in more states (and by implication, means Trump represented a far greater diversity of the nation!), it means that there are many millions of people who either didn't vote last time or voted against Trump in states he won before who could decide to come out and vote this time or switch their vote to Trump after the recent fiasco of years of Democrats making false claims and accusations all proven wrong and spending tens of millions of dollars of hard earned taxpayer money on silly Russia investigations and a baseless, desperate, petulant, childish impeachment that was nothing more than an abuse of House power resulting in a near Constitutional crisis.

Democrats have stirred up an angry hornets nest, meantime, with the likes of who they have to represent them this time, Democrats may find many of themselves demoralized bowing to the futility.

The 50 US States Ranked By Population

In case anyone wants to check my math.

Trump has 30 states and a potential of up to TWENTY MILLION additional voters this time around, his supporters are pissed, and that is if he doesn't even win any additional states!

Democrats CAN'T feel good about that.

Hillary won the popular vote

So what? Trump won more states.

And if popular vote counts, why Barry was presidential candidate, and not her, since she had more votes than him in Dem Primaries?

Hillary won the popular vote

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

The SCOTUS can't change the electoral college. That requires changing the constitution and that's not the SCOTUS's job.

I am sick of hearing that Hillary won the "popular vote" when that doesn't even count for anything! What counts is the popular vote AT THE STATE LEVEL, after that, it becomes 50 STATE elections. You don't win a country,

YOU WIN STATES.

You'd think democrats and Hillary would KNOW that considering that she was both First Lady, New York Senator and Secretary of STATE.

So I went back and wanted to look at the data a bit different way.

I'm also sick of hearing how pathetic the red states are. So I wanted to know, just what WAS each candidate really up against in 2016 and what did they really win?

In 2016, Hillary won TWENTY states, Trump won THIRTY. To win a state, you have to go up against all voters in a given state; the more people, the more likely voters so, the harder it is to win. And by winning a state, you also win and carry the voice of that state and the people that go in it. So what exactly did the 2016 candidates win?

I looked up the latest tallies of state population, and in the 20 states that Hillary won, her states total population (THE BLUE STATES) was: 2016 BLUE STATE POPULATION = 140,743,676.

And the thirty states that Trump won? 2016 RED STATE POPULATION = 163,435,276.

Yes. Trump's states have 22,691,600 more people in them. A not so small fact I've never seen mentioned before. What is the significance of this?

Trump won 30 states with nearly 23 million more people in them compared to Hillary's 20 states. Not only does that mean you had to carry sway with more people in more states (and by implication, means Trump represented a far greater diversity of the nation!), it means that there are many millions of people who either didn't vote last time or voted against Trump in states he won before who could decide to come out and vote this time or switch their vote to Trump after the recent fiasco of years of Democrats making false claims and accusations all proven wrong and spending tens of millions of dollars of hard earned taxpayer money on silly Russia investigations and a baseless, desperate, petulant, childish impeachment that was nothing more than an abuse of House power resulting in a near Constitutional crisis.

Democrats have stirred up an angry hornets nest, meantime, with the likes of who they have to represent them this time, Democrats may find many of themselves demoralized bowing to the futility.

The 50 US States Ranked By Population

In case anyone wants to check my math.

Trump has 30 states and a potential of up to TWENTY MILLION additional voters this time around, his supporters are pissed, and that is if he doesn't even win any additional states!

Democrats CAN'T feel good about that.

I didn't take the time of counting votes, but anyway Clinton and Gore both won the majority vote.

Actually, even that isn't really quite true. In Florida, they wrongly called the vote early for Gore despite the fact that the panhandle was in a different time zone and had another hour before their polls closed, and hearing that Gore had already won, people stopped voting early, no doubt costing GW many votes he should have gotten.

Yet Gore won the popular vote. You can dish it up anyway you want, but its written in history that Gore and Clinton won the popular vote.

How did their presidencies go?

 

[Ame®icano]

I am sick of hearing that Hillary won the "popular vote" when that doesn't even count for anything! What counts is the popular vote AT THE STATE LEVEL, after that, it becomes 50 STATE elections. You don't win a country,

YOU WIN STATES.

You'd think democrats and Hillary would KNOW that considering that she was both First Lady, New York Senator and Secretary of STATE.

So I went back and wanted to look at the data a bit different way.

I'm also sick of hearing how pathetic the red states are. So I wanted to know, just what WAS each candidate really up against in 2016 and what did they really win?

In 2016, Hillary won TWENTY states, Trump won THIRTY. To win a state, you have to go up against all voters in a given state; the more people, the more likely voters so, the harder it is to win. And by winning a state, you also win and carry the voice of that state and the people that go in it. So what exactly did the 2016 candidates win?

I looked up the latest tallies of state population, and in the 20 states that Hillary won, her states total population (THE BLUE STATES) was: 2016 BLUE STATE POPULATION = 140,743,676.

And the thirty states that Trump won? 2016 RED STATE POPULATION = 163,435,276.

Yes. Trump's states have 22,691,600 more people in them. A not so small fact I've never seen mentioned before. What is the significance of this?

Trump won 30 states with nearly 23 million more people in them compared to Hillary's 20 states. Not only does that mean you had to carry sway with more people in more states (and by implication, means Trump represented a far greater diversity of the nation!), it means that there are many millions of people who either didn't vote last time or voted against Trump in states he won before who could decide to come out and vote this time or switch their vote to Trump after the recent fiasco of years of Democrats making false claims and accusations all proven wrong and spending tens of millions of dollars of hard earned taxpayer money on silly Russia investigations and a baseless, desperate, petulant, childish impeachment that was nothing more than an abuse of House power resulting in a near Constitutional crisis.

Democrats have stirred up an angry hornets nest, meantime, with the likes of who they have to represent them this time, Democrats may find many of themselves demoralized bowing to the futility.

The 50 US States Ranked By Population

In case anyone wants to check my math.

Trump has 30 states and a potential of up to TWENTY MILLION additional voters this time around, his supporters are pissed, and that is if he doesn't even win any additional states!

Democrats CAN'T feel good about that.

Hillary won the popular vote

So what? Trump won more states.

And if popular vote counts, why Barry was presidential candidate, and not her, since she had more votes than him in Dem Primaries?

Hillary won the popular vote

Keep saying that, it just may become the truth.

Nope. She had more votes than Trump, but she didn't have more than 50% of popular vote, she didn't win anything.

 

[dblack]

I am sick of hearing that Hillary won the "popular vote" when that doesn't even count for anything! What counts is the popular vote AT THE STATE LEVEL, after that, it becomes 50 STATE elections. You don't win a country,

YOU WIN STATES.

You'd think democrats and Hillary would KNOW that considering that she was both First Lady, New York Senator and Secretary of STATE.

So I went back and wanted to look at the data a bit different way.

I'm also sick of hearing how pathetic the red states are. So I wanted to know, just what WAS each candidate really up against in 2016 and what did they really win?

In 2016, Hillary won TWENTY states, Trump won THIRTY. To win a state, you have to go up against all voters in a given state; the more people, the more likely voters so, the harder it is to win. And by winning a state, you also win and carry the voice of that state and the people that go in it. So what exactly did the 2016 candidates win?

I looked up the latest tallies of state population, and in the 20 states that Hillary won, her states total population (THE BLUE STATES) was: 2016 BLUE STATE POPULATION = 140,743,676.

And the thirty states that Trump won? 2016 RED STATE POPULATION = 163,435,276.

Yes. Trump's states have 22,691,600 more people in them. A not so small fact I've never seen mentioned before. What is the significance of this?

Trump won 30 states with nearly 23 million more people in them compared to Hillary's 20 states. Not only does that mean you had to carry sway with more people in more states (and by implication, means Trump represented a far greater diversity of the nation!), it means that there are many millions of people who either didn't vote last time or voted against Trump in states he won before who could decide to come out and vote this time or switch their vote to Trump after the recent fiasco of years of Democrats making false claims and accusations all proven wrong and spending tens of millions of dollars of hard earned taxpayer money on silly Russia investigations and a baseless, desperate, petulant, childish impeachment that was nothing more than an abuse of House power resulting in a near Constitutional crisis.

Democrats have stirred up an angry hornets nest, meantime, with the likes of who they have to represent them this time, Democrats may find many of themselves demoralized bowing to the futility.

The 50 US States Ranked By Population

In case anyone wants to check my math.

Trump has 30 states and a potential of up to TWENTY MILLION additional voters this time around, his supporters are pissed, and that is if he doesn't even win any additional states!

Democrats CAN'T feel good about that.

Hillary won the popular vote

So what? Trump won more states.

And if popular vote counts, why Barry was presidential candidate, and not her, since she had more votes than him in Dem Primaries?

Hillary won the popular vote

No, she didn't. There was no popular vote election in 2016. If there had been, the vote totals would have been different. The entire election would have been different.