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Reparations bill tests Biden and Harris on racial justice
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True!
It is not true but the stupid Liberals that don't know a damn thing about history claim the American Civil War was fought to "free the slaves".
Why should anybody from the North have to pay reparations?
That is how stupid these Libtards are.
I can not agree more. That being stated why should anyone for that mater be responsible for the transgressions of society, North and South, for what happened 157 years ago? Ah but in order to maintain the plantation system one must dress the part, so pathetic.
Until we evolve to the level that, as MLK dreamed, a man be measured by the content of his character not the color of his skin little wimpy ideologues will continue to promote supremacist beliefs and outright racism as a control mechanism to maintain power.
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What does the LEFT care about the Constitution?As divisive as this is, it's unlikely to ever happen, but even if it were to move forward it's unconstitutional on its face.
Despite the enormity of the task behind the legislation known as H.R. 40 — named for the "40 acres and a mule" that has come to symbolize the post-Civil War government's failure to help formerly enslaved people — the bill has new political momentum since its last introduction in 2019, when the GOP controlled the White House and Senate. The nationwide protests last summer following George Floyd’s killing have raised public awareness of racial injustice and kick-started a national conversation that advocates for a reparations dialogue see as valuable.
Reparations bill tests Biden and Harris on racial justice
The House proposal has been introduced in every Congress for more than three decades and would establish a commission of experts to study direct payments to African Americans.www.politico.com
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My old man came here from Israel. His father was from Poland escaping Nazi Germany. And I should pay these BLM fuckers anything?
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You voted for this shit, assshole.As divisive as this is, it's unlikely to ever happen, but even if it were to move forward it's unconstitutional on its face.
Despite the enormity of the task behind the legislation known as H.R. 40 — named for the "40 acres and a mule" that has come to symbolize the post-Civil War government's failure to help formerly enslaved people — the bill has new political momentum since its last introduction in 2019, when the GOP controlled the White House and Senate. The nationwide protests last summer following George Floyd’s killing have raised public awareness of racial injustice and kick-started a national conversation that advocates for a reparations dialogue see as valuable.
Reparations bill tests Biden and Harris on racial justice
The House proposal has been introduced in every Congress for more than three decades and would establish a commission of experts to study direct payments to African Americans.
NewsVine_Mariyam
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On what grounds is it unconstitutional?As divisive as this is, it's unlikely to ever happen, but even if it were to move forward it's unconstitutional on its face.
Despite the enormity of the task behind the legislation known as H.R. 40 — named for the "40 acres and a mule" that has come to symbolize the post-Civil War government's failure to help formerly enslaved people — the bill has new political momentum since its last introduction in 2019, when the GOP controlled the White House and Senate. The nationwide protests last summer following George Floyd’s killing have raised public awareness of racial injustice and kick-started a national conversation that advocates for a reparations dialogue see as valuable.
Reparations bill tests Biden and Harris on racial justice
The House proposal has been introduced in every Congress for more than three decades and would establish a commission of experts to study direct payments to African Americans.
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The equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment. It's illegal for the government to discriminate on the basis of race.
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How about an analogy?
Let say 7 people were riding together in a vehicle and got hit by a impaired driver. Two of the plaintiffs (husband and wife) file a lawsuit and receive damages for the harm caused by the damage done to their lives, while the other people who were in the vehicle didn't receive damages because they either 1) didn't file their own lawsuit or didn't join in as additional plaintiff's in the lawsuit filed by the husband and wife. There were nonetheless entitled to pursue a claim if they were injured and to have the person responsible pay damages to "make them whole again".
The argument you're making regarding the 14th amendment is comparable to you wanting to receive payment for a car accident when you weren't in the vehicle and even further you don't think anyone should because it wouldn't be fair to you, someone whose life was not impacted by the accident.
As divisive as this is, it's unlikely to ever happen, but even if it were to move forward it's unconstitutional on its face.
Despite the enormity of the task behind the legislation known as H.R. 40 — named for the "40 acres and a mule" that has come to symbolize the post-Civil War government's failure to help formerly enslaved people — the bill has new political momentum since its last introduction in 2019, when the GOP controlled the White House and Senate. The nationwide protests last summer following George Floyd’s killing have raised public awareness of racial injustice and kick-started a national conversation that advocates for a reparations dialogue see as valuable.
Reparations bill tests Biden and Harris on racial justice
The House proposal has been introduced in every Congress for more than three decades and would establish a commission of experts to study direct payments to African Americans.
The dems wipe their asses with the COTUS.
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There is nothing divisive about this when you consider that other groups have gotten reparations and native americans are still getting reparations for things that occurred before any of us were born. Therefore it cannot be unconstitutional. You guys need to do some research instead of repeating right wing bs.
The Thorny History of Reparations in the United States
In the 20th century, the country issued reparations for Japanese American internment, Native land seizures, massacres and police brutality. Will slavery be next?
The Thorny History of Reparations in the United States - HISTORY
America Has Tried Reparations Before. Here Is How It Went.
With a renewed focus on reparations for slavery, what lessons can be drawn from payments to victims of other historical injustices in America?
America Has Tried Reparations Before. Here Is How It Went. (Published 2019)
Why we need reparations for Black Americans
Why we need reparations for Black Americans
“Racial inequality in the United States today may, ultimately, be based on slavery, but it is also based on the failure of the country to take effective steps since slavery to undermine the structural racial inequality that slavery put in place. From the latter part of the nineteenth century through the first half of the twentieth century, the Jim Crow system continued to keep Blacks “in their place,” and even during and after the civil rights era no policies were adopted to dismantle the racial hierarchy that already existed.”
The Case For African American Reparations, Explained - Texas A&M Today (tamu.edu)
The political scientist Thomas Craemer calculated the hours worked by enslaved black workers between 1776 and the official end of slavery. He estimates this uncompensated labor totaled between US$5.9 and $14.2 trillion in current dollars.
As I detailed in my book “Racist America,” trillions more in wealth was effectively stolen from black Americans not just because of enslavement prior to 1776 but during the Jim Crow era through employment discrimination and decades of bureaucratic finagling that caused them to lose farmland.
I estimate that the total cost to black Americans over four centuries of slavery, Jim Crow laws and more contemporary discrimination to be in the $10-$20 trillion range. That’s potentially as big as the nation’s annual economic output.
The Case For African American Reparations, Explained - Texas A&M Today (tamu.edu)
Opponents of this reparations effort, which would require support from the university’s board to take effect, voiced two common arguments against it: Slavery happened too long ago and not all white Americans have slave-owning ancestors. Similar arguments are now commonplace.
The assumption that those debts are owed by and to people now deceased ignores all the money, property and other wealth white Americans alive today inherited from their forebears, including slave owners and many others responsible for depriving blacks of economic and educational opportunities through discrimination. The latter included white overseers, sheriffs and merchants.
Most whites can trace their roots back at least three generations, with many going back between four and 20 generations. That’s longer than most African Americans have had, at least officially, fairly equal socioeconomic opportunities – at most for two generations.
This argument also ignores the benefits white people reaped from the large-scale discrimination suffered by African Americans whose labor was underpaid or stolen for most of U.S. history. Millions of people, many still alive, endured brutal violence and economic discrimination under legal segregation.
What’s more, housing equity – what homeowners possess after subtracting their mortgages – is a main repository of U.S. family wealth. Philosopher Jonathan Kaplan and political scientist Andrew Valls argue that the decades-long housing discrimination that stopped most African Americans from building significant home equity justifies the payment of major reparations.
White-implemented government home-ownership programs after World War II, including mortgage programs for veterans, discriminated on a large scale against blacks. These government programs enabled many millions of white families to move into the middle class. The children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren of these whites have since inherited wealth due to the ensuing growth in the value of that housing.
In contrast, black families usually endured housing discrimination after World War II. They were unable to obtain mortgages and were barred by restrictive covenants from buying homes in white areas where housing values rose.
Today’s wealth gap between white and black Americans is substantially the result of government-supported housing and employment discrimination. The median net worth of black families is less than 15% of that of white families, according to the Federal Reserve.
The Case For African American Reparations, Explained - Texas A&M Today (tamu.edu)
And DTMB, if you are part japanese perhaps you need to be quiet about reparations. As for the rest of you and I do mean all of you, maybe it's time to study this issue and recognize that reparations have been paid before, that native american nations will get them as long as there is a United States and drop your disingenuous opposition.
The Thorny History of Reparations in the United States
In the 20th century, the country issued reparations for Japanese American internment, Native land seizures, massacres and police brutality. Will slavery be next?
The Thorny History of Reparations in the United States - HISTORY
America Has Tried Reparations Before. Here Is How It Went.
With a renewed focus on reparations for slavery, what lessons can be drawn from payments to victims of other historical injustices in America?
America Has Tried Reparations Before. Here Is How It Went. (Published 2019)
Why we need reparations for Black Americans
Why we need reparations for Black Americans
“Racial inequality in the United States today may, ultimately, be based on slavery, but it is also based on the failure of the country to take effective steps since slavery to undermine the structural racial inequality that slavery put in place. From the latter part of the nineteenth century through the first half of the twentieth century, the Jim Crow system continued to keep Blacks “in their place,” and even during and after the civil rights era no policies were adopted to dismantle the racial hierarchy that already existed.”
Jonathan Kaplan and Andrew Valls
Slavery lasted for nearly 250 years, about 60% of U.S. history, including Colonial times. Counting the nearly century-long Jim Crow segregation of African Americans, officially sanctioned racial oppression encompassed more than 80% of U.S. history to date.
Slavery lasted for nearly 250 years, about 60% of U.S. history, including Colonial times. Counting the nearly century-long Jim Crow segregation of African Americans, officially sanctioned racial oppression encompassed more than 80% of U.S. history to date.
The Case For African American Reparations, Explained - Texas A&M Today (tamu.edu)
The political scientist Thomas Craemer calculated the hours worked by enslaved black workers between 1776 and the official end of slavery. He estimates this uncompensated labor totaled between US$5.9 and $14.2 trillion in current dollars.
As I detailed in my book “Racist America,” trillions more in wealth was effectively stolen from black Americans not just because of enslavement prior to 1776 but during the Jim Crow era through employment discrimination and decades of bureaucratic finagling that caused them to lose farmland.
I estimate that the total cost to black Americans over four centuries of slavery, Jim Crow laws and more contemporary discrimination to be in the $10-$20 trillion range. That’s potentially as big as the nation’s annual economic output.
The Case For African American Reparations, Explained - Texas A&M Today (tamu.edu)
Opponents of this reparations effort, which would require support from the university’s board to take effect, voiced two common arguments against it: Slavery happened too long ago and not all white Americans have slave-owning ancestors. Similar arguments are now commonplace.
The assumption that those debts are owed by and to people now deceased ignores all the money, property and other wealth white Americans alive today inherited from their forebears, including slave owners and many others responsible for depriving blacks of economic and educational opportunities through discrimination. The latter included white overseers, sheriffs and merchants.
Most whites can trace their roots back at least three generations, with many going back between four and 20 generations. That’s longer than most African Americans have had, at least officially, fairly equal socioeconomic opportunities – at most for two generations.
This argument also ignores the benefits white people reaped from the large-scale discrimination suffered by African Americans whose labor was underpaid or stolen for most of U.S. history. Millions of people, many still alive, endured brutal violence and economic discrimination under legal segregation.
What’s more, housing equity – what homeowners possess after subtracting their mortgages – is a main repository of U.S. family wealth. Philosopher Jonathan Kaplan and political scientist Andrew Valls argue that the decades-long housing discrimination that stopped most African Americans from building significant home equity justifies the payment of major reparations.
White-implemented government home-ownership programs after World War II, including mortgage programs for veterans, discriminated on a large scale against blacks. These government programs enabled many millions of white families to move into the middle class. The children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren of these whites have since inherited wealth due to the ensuing growth in the value of that housing.
In contrast, black families usually endured housing discrimination after World War II. They were unable to obtain mortgages and were barred by restrictive covenants from buying homes in white areas where housing values rose.
Today’s wealth gap between white and black Americans is substantially the result of government-supported housing and employment discrimination. The median net worth of black families is less than 15% of that of white families, according to the Federal Reserve.
The Case For African American Reparations, Explained - Texas A&M Today (tamu.edu)
And DTMB, if you are part japanese perhaps you need to be quiet about reparations. As for the rest of you and I do mean all of you, maybe it's time to study this issue and recognize that reparations have been paid before, that native american nations will get them as long as there is a United States and drop your disingenuous opposition.
As divisive as this is, it's unlikely to ever happen, but even if it were to move forward it's unconstitutional on its face.
Despite the enormity of the task behind the legislation known as H.R. 40 — named for the "40 acres and a mule" that has come to symbolize the post-Civil War government's failure to help formerly enslaved people — the bill has new political momentum since its last introduction in 2019, when the GOP controlled the White House and Senate. The nationwide protests last summer following George Floyd’s killing have raised public awareness of racial injustice and kick-started a national conversation that advocates for a reparations dialogue see as valuable.
Reparations bill tests Biden and Harris on racial justice
The House proposal has been introduced in every Congress for more than three decades and would establish a commission of experts to study direct payments to African Americans.
I personally believe that reparations of some kind will be approved.
I can only hope (what else do we have but hope?) that any lady or gentleman that has been convicted of robbery, sucker punching, looting, rape, or murder will NOT be eligible. How horrible would it be for victims' tax money to be given to the victims' attackers? Surely the Dems who make these laws have a little tiny bit of decency left, don't they?
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It is not a comparable example because none of the people in your car accident are being awarded or denied compensation by the government because of their race.
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Who pays? The Insurance company!
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Tell that to the white people in government at every level who enacted laws and policies denying us the same things whites have gotten and who paid Japanese and native americans reparations, descendants of confederate traitors reparations and jews reparations for something America did not do. So don't repeat that ***** shit to me Asian, because the very people you wannabe like have never taken responsibility for their personal failures.
The Japanese were still alive. YOU were never harmed. The vast majority of black people in this country arrived on these shores long after slavery was ended. There have been GENERATIONS between those people who actually are descended from slaves, and now. Those who were responsible for the slavery are long dead, and nowhere do you recognize the losses of the white people who fought, and died, to eliminate the institution of slavery.
More white people suffered, than blacks did. By orders of magnitude and it is their descendents that you want to punish again.
NewsVine_Mariyam
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I'm kind of dumbfounded. I had no idea that anyone didn't want reparations to be awarded because they would go to black people and presumably exclude most if not all whites.
The reason I used the car accident analogy was to try to make the point that only the people who have been injured in the car accident are eligible for compensation which has NOTHING to do with race. If you weren't in the car and weren't injured, logically and legally you would not be entitled to compensation for injury. Yet if I understand you correctly, you don't want the people who WERE in the car and WERE injured to receive compensation because you, an uninvolved and uninjured individual, are not entitled to compensation as well.
Is my assessment accurate?
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