Zone1 How we repair it: White Americans’ attitudes toward reparations

[Hector12]

No, I just realize that when you intentionally suppress a people for 400 years, you are going to get bad results.

That suppression had good results because Negroes knew that if they indulged in their natural propensity toward crime, punishment would be swift, certain, and very severe.

In the two generations since 1963 most colored people have demonstrated that they ,as a race represent an earlier stage of human evolution.

No, I just realize that when you intentionally suppress a people for 400 years, you are going to get bad results.

The bad results happened when that suppression ended. A criminal justice system that is effective for whites is insufficiently harsh for blacks. Before the civil rights movement that was understood in the United States, and especially in the South. Consequently, when a white man and a black man committed the same crime the black man was given much more punishment.

 

[JoeB131]

That suppression had good results because Negroes knew that if they indulged in their natural propensity toward crime, punishment would be swift, certain, and very severe.

If prisons and guns made us safer, we'd have the lowest crime rate in the industrialized world, not the highest.

The Prison Industrial complex causes crime in that it turns teens who get into trouble (as we all do) into career criminals. White kids get probation, black kids get jail.

In the two generations since 1963 most colored people have demonstrated that they ,as a race represent an earlier stage of human evolution.

Wow, tell us how you don't understand how evolution works without telling us you don't understand how evolution works.

The bad results happened when that suppression ended. A criminal justice system that is effective for whites is insufficiently harsh for blacks. Before the civil rights movement that was understood in the United States, and especially in the South. Consequently, when a white man and a black man committed the same crime the black man was given much more punishment.

Again, I get it man, a black guy saw you were a pussy, was mean to you, and you want revenge. Of course, you are far too much of a coward to get it yourself.

 

[Hector12]

If prisons and guns made us safer, we'd have the lowest crime rate in the industrialized world, not the highest.

We have the highest murder rate in the industrialized world because we have the highest black and Hispanic population Negroes and Hispanics have high murder rates everywhere they live. Whites and Orientals have low murder rates every where we live.

List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Hector12]

Wow, tell us how you don't understand how evolution works without telling us you don't understand how evolution works.

Evolution works by favoring characteristics that benefit a species in a specific environment.

Characteristics that enabled men to prosper in sub Saharan Africa made it more likely that they would be killed by criminal justice systems in civilized countries.

 

[JoeB131]

We have the highest murder rate in the industrialized world because we have the highest black and Hispanic population Negroes and Hispanics have high murder rates everywhere they live. Whites and Orientals have low murder rates every where we live.

Except the UK and France have large black populations, and still nowhere near our crime rates. What they do right is.

1) have robust anti-poverty programs
2) treat addition and mental illness
3) limit who can own a gun.

Evolution works by favoring characteristics that benefit a species in a specific environment.

I don't think you understand how evolution works at all.

The specific environment you speak of has only existed for a few hundred years and probably won't last. Macro-evolution simply doesn't happen in that short of a time period. Blacks, whites, Asians... we are all the same species.

Characteristics that enabled men to prosper in sub Saharan Africa made it more likely that they would be killed by criminal justice systems in civilized countries.

Again, this sounds more like your biases than anything scientific. I mean, that shit might have flown 100 years ago, but not so much today. You'll be talking phrenology next.


A criminal justice system that kills people isn't civilized. Europe used to murder people for being witches. Are you arguing the gene for witchcraft has been eliminated?

 

[Hector12]

Except the UK and France have large black populations, and still nowhere near our crime rates. What they do right is.

1) have robust anti-poverty programs
2) treat addition and mental illness
3) limit who can own a gun.


I don't think you understand how evolution works at all.

The specific environment you speak of has only existed for a few hundred years and probably won't last. Macro-evolution simply doesn't happen in that short of a time period. Blacks, whites, Asians... we are all the same species.



Again, this sounds more like your biases than anything scientific. I mean, that shit might have flown 100 years ago, but not so much today. You'll be talking phrenology next.


A criminal justice system that kills people isn't civilized. Europe used to murder people for being witches. Are you arguing the gene for witchcraft has been eliminated?

Negroes in England have higher crime rates than whites in En gland.

What I mean by a civilization is a city based society, where the government has the effective monopoly on the use of violence. Civilizations select genetically for civilized behavior by killing criminals.

 

[Hector12]

Except the UK and France have large black populations, and still nowhere near our crime rates. What they do right is.

1) have robust anti-poverty programs
2) treat addition and mental illness
3) limit who can own a gun.


I don't think you understand how evolution works at all.

The specific environment you speak of has only existed for a few hundred years and probably won't last. Macro-evolution simply doesn't happen in that short of a time period. Blacks, whites, Asians... we are all the same species.



Again, this sounds more like your biases than anything scientific. I mean, that shit might have flown 100 years ago, but not so much today. You'll be talking phrenology next.


A criminal justice system that kills people isn't civilized. Europe used to murder people for being witches. Are you arguing the gene for witchcraft has been eliminated?

Anti poverty programs never reduced the crime rate. The only thing that works is punishment, lots and lots of punishment. Anti poverty programs enable the unemployable to reproduce.

 

[JoeB131]

Negroes in England have higher crime rates than whites in En gland.

I'm sure they do.. but far lower than American blacks. American whites also have a higher crime rate than white people in the UK.

What I mean by a civilization is a city based society, where the government has the effective monopoly on the use of violence. Civilizations select genetically for civilized behavior by killing criminals.

Except that not that many people were executed, and certainly not before they carried on their breed. Infant mortality took far more lives than the government did. As did plagues, famines, etc.

Anti poverty programs never reduced the crime rate. The only thing that works is punishment, lots and lots of punishment. Anti poverty programs encourage the biologically inferior to breed like maggots.

Um, no, guy, anti-poverty programs definitely reduce the crime rate. We saw that with the New Deal, where the crime dropped during the 1930s.

Homicide Rates and Mortality Trends: Perspectives from Public-Healt...

More than three decades ago, Eric H. Monkkonen celebrated the creative fragmentation of criminal-justice history. He compared the field, which was then in its infancy, to U.S. urban history and not...

journals.openedition.org

7Far more perplexing for criminal-justice historians, however, are the 1930s, for American homicide (as well as lethal violence in much of western Europe) plummeted during the Great Depression. Between 1929, when the U.S. stock-market crash triggered the economic crisis, and 1940, the American homicide rate plunged by 29.5 percent, despite the skyrocketing unemployment rates and soaring levels of poverty7. In U.S. cities, lethal violence fell even more dramatically. Chicago’s homicide rate dipped by 33.1 percent, Detroit’s by 66.3 percent, New Orleans’s by 56.6 percent, New York City’s by 41.8 percent, Pittsburgh’s by 61.0 percent, and Birmingham’s by 46.0 percent. For the interwar period, lethal violence hit its low-water mark in 1939 or 1940 in Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans, Memphis, Birmingham, New York City, and many other cities, even though roughly one-sixth of workers remained unemployed8.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Are a bunch of racist cranks who are rejected by Academia.



1) Crime rates have gone DOWN since 1990. That was when we had peak baby boomer stupid, but crime rates have declined steadily since then.

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2) Out of wedlock births have gone up for ALL races, mostly because people no longer feel a need to marry someone they don't love just because a baby is involved

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France has an OOW birth rate of nearly 60%. France is just fine.

3) Your claims about academic perforance aren't true, either. black people have improved their scores while white kids have remained kind of flat.

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But let's look at just how ONE Factor can severely effect test scores. Covid. Kids were out of classrooms for about a year.
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And there was a HUGE drop in scores

Now, multiply that for black people of generations of underfunded schools, with lazy union teachers who don't feel much of a need to do their jobs, lack of resources, school buildings that are often delapidated, and so on. And then you get an idea of WHY black kids are lagging behind.

The vast majority of white kids go to those same underfunded schools staffed by lazy union teachers.

 

[JoeB131]

The vast majority of white kids go to those same underfunded schools staffed by lazy union teachers.

No, they don't.

They go to either private schools or better funded schools in the suburbs.

 

[AZrailwhale]

No, they don't.

They go to either private schools or better funded schools in the suburbs.

Bullshit. Most white kids don't live in the 'burbs and many working parents can't afford private schools.

 

[JoeB131]

Bullshit. Most white kids don't live in the 'burbs and many working parents can't afford private schools.

Oh, actually, they do.

They don't live in the urban school districts, that's the point, dummy.

 

[IM2]

Joe Biden’s 1975 comments slamming slavery reparations, school busing resurfaced by Washington Post

So?

 

[IM2]

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And Jim Crow after slavery was done by Republicans and Democrats.

 

[Hector12]

No, they don't.

They go to either private schools or better funded schools in the suburbs.

That is because white parents do not want their children to be educated in black majority schools. That is because black majority schools are dangerous places where little learning occurs. Even liberal parents go to considerable lengths to avoid having their children educated with schools with lots of blacks in them.

 

[JoeB131]

That is because white parents do not want their children to be educated in black majority schools. That is because black majority schools are dangerous places where little learning occurs. Even liberal parents go to considerable lengths to avoid having their children educated with schools with lots of blacks in them.

Yes, but you keep claiming racism isn't a problem... and then you demonstrate why it is.

 

[Hector12]

Yes, but you keep claiming racism isn't a problem... and then you demonstrate why it is.

Racism is a natural response to black social pathology, which is the problem.

Before the civil rights movement Orientals in the South were often given the same rights as whites because they were considered to be honorary whites. This was because Orientals behaved and performed well.

Of course Jews also behaved and performed well.

 

[JoeB131]

Racism is a natural response to black social pathology, which is the problem.

Um, no, it's more about your pathology. Let's be honest, a bunch of inbred white people in the South happily gave up their lives not because they owned slaves (they didn't) but because they didn't want a black man screwing their sister. That was THEIR job, after all!!! Nobody gets to screw Cleetus' sister but him!!!

So when that didn't work, Cleetus came up with Jim Crow, Miscegenation Laws, Sundown Laws, Redlining, and so on. They tried to make leaving the South a crime when so many were migrating north to get those new industrial jobs, and sentenced them to Debt Peonage. (It only ended in 1942, when there was a need for more industrial workers AND we realized it was a bad look for us when we complained about what the Nazis and Japs were doing.)

Before the civil rights movement Orientals in the South were often given the same rights as whites because they were considered to be honorary whites. This was because Orientals behaved and performed well.

Oh, bullshit. First and foremost, there weren't a lot of Asians in the US before the Civil Rights movement. They were only 5% of the immigrant population before 1965. The ones who did move her didn't move down to Dixie, they moved to big cities, in enclaves like Chinatown.

Secondly, there most certainly was discrimination against Asians. For instance, there was a lot of hostility when they started resettling Vietnamese refugees in the South.

Of course Jews also behaved and performed well.

You mean they haven't worn out their welcome like they did in Europe.

Here's the thing about Jews. YOu can't call yourself a minority when you have no problem blending into the majority. If I look at a crowd of people, jokes about big noses aside, I'm not going to be able to pick out the Jews. I am going to be able to pick out the Blacks or the Asians.

So you get a shrill creature like Lisa who enjoys all the benefits of White Privilege, but then whines about how oppressed she is because not everyone is as down with genocide in Gaza as she is.

 

[Hector12]

Um, no, it's more about your pathology. Let's be honest, a bunch of inbred white people in the South happily gave up their lives not because they owned slaves (they didn't) but because they didn't want a black man screwing their sister. That was THEIR job, after all!!! Nobody gets to screw Cleetus' sister but him!!!

So when that didn't work, Cleetus came up with Jim Crow, Miscegenation Laws, Sundown Laws, Redlining, and so on. They tried to make leaving the South a crime when so many were migrating north to get those new industrial jobs, and sentenced them to Debt Peonage. (It only ended in 1942, when there was a need for more industrial workers AND we realized it was a bad look for us when we complained about what the Nazis and Japs were doing.)



Oh, bullshit. First and foremost, there weren't a lot of Asians in the US before the Civil Rights movement. They were only 5% of the immigrant population before 1965. The ones who did move her didn't move down to Dixie, they moved to big cities, in enclaves like Chinatown.

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You mean they haven't worn out their welcome like they did in Europe.

Here's the thing about Jews. YOu can't call yourself a minority when you have no problem blending into the majority. If I look at a crowd of people, jokes about big noses aside, I'm not going to be able to pick out the Jews. I am going to be able to pick out the Blacks or the Asians.

So you get a shrill creature like Lisa who enjoys all the benefits of White Privilege, but then whines about how oppressed she is because not everyone is as down with genocide in Gaza as she is.

Jews are resented because of their intelligence their success, and their prosperity. Negroes are despised because of their crime, their stupidity, and their welfare expense.

 

[JoeB131]

Jews are resented because of their intelligence their success, and their prosperity.

No, Jews are resented because...

They are money-grubbing and greedy, as anyone who has had the bad luck to work for one can tell you.
Because they killed Jesus.
Because they are happy to put the interests of Israel before the interests of America.
Because they refuse to assimilate into any society that will have them

Do you think your average German in the SS was "Jealous" of the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto? Don't be silly, man.

Negroes are despised because of their crime, their stupidity, and their welfare expense.

Only by racist douchenoodles like you, Hector.