Removing The Burden Of America’s Original Sin

[Lesh]

I wonder if you went out to shoot the 12 thousand rioters the Democrats set on America?

What the **** is wrong with you?

Clearly someone writes your screeds for you. When you have to think on your feet...this is what we get

 

[PoliticalChic]

What the **** is wrong with you?

Clearly someone writes your screeds for you. When you have to think on your feet...this is what we get

No vulgarity.....no matter how completely I've destroyed your worldview.

 

[alang1216]

Enough to kill a significant percentage of the population. Which will be tough, since 90 percent died from disease.

Actually, it would make it easier, not harder.

 

[Correll]

Actually, it would make it easier, not harder.

Harder for you to demonstrate genocide, when the vast majority are dying from natural causes.

 

[PoliticalChic]

12. “For centuries Native Americans had the land and did virtually nothing with it; that is, in terms of emancipating themselves from an animistic biological and cyclical lifestyle. The notion of progress lay unknown to them. They existed outside the historical process.


Tragically, it took conquest -- facilitated by the Europeans — to transplant the indigene into the historical process by inserting him into the civilization crucibles of Judeo-Christendom, with its emancipatory moral narratives and an evolving political philosophy that discovered, recognized and protected the inalienable rights of man. These include freedom and liberty, the right to the pursuit of happiness, freedom of conscience and speech, the right to bodily integrity, and the right to property.” Genocide, Stolen Land, and Other Lies about America - Frontpagemag


Human life meant no more than that of any animal.....pretty much the view of the Democrat Party today.




. It is not possible that the Europeans 'stole' the land from the American Indians.

Before the concepts were thrust upon them, American Indians had no idea of capitalism, private property, or the sanctity of human life.
Before ‘capitalism’ was brought to the continent, there was no benefit to ‘ownership’ of land.
And, with no idea of ‘private property,’ outside of a few kitchen implements and weapons, they ‘owned’ no land that could have been ‘stolen’ from them.
The demand for certain assets by the settlers illuminated the necessity of ‘private property’ to the Indians.

It was capitalism that led to private property, ownership, and prosperity.

 

[alang1216]

12. “For centuries Native Americans had the land and did virtually nothing with it; that is, in terms of emancipating themselves from an animistic biological and cyclical lifestyle.

They lived off that land, they farmed it and hunted on it. Their technology was behind the Europeans but to say they 'did nothing with it' is absurd.

The notion of progress lay unknown to them. They existed outside the historical process.

Outside the European model of peasants and lords, yes. I wonder how many Irish Catholics living under Protestants would have envied them their life and freedom? If Europe were so wonderful why did so many Europeans flee?

 

[PoliticalChic]

They lived off that land, they farmed it and hunted on it. Their technology was behind the Europeans but to say they 'did nothing with it' is absurd.


Outside the European model of peasants and lords, yes. I wonder how many Irish Catholics living under Protestants would have envied them their life and freedom? If Europe were so wonderful why did so many Europeans flee?

"They lived off that land, they farmed it and hunted on it. Their technology was behind the Europeans but to say they 'did nothing with it' is absurd."


OK....Let's say they were about as advanced as you are.....m'kay???

 

[alang1216]

"They lived off that land, they farmed it and hunted on it. Their technology was behind the Europeans but to say they 'did nothing with it' is absurd."

OK....Let's say they were about as advanced as you are.....m'kay???

Let's also say their respect for freedom and for their environment was more advanced than yours.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Let's also say their respect for freedom and for their environment was more advanced than yours.

Only one who has never read a book would say something as absurd at that.


Let's start with the fastest way to destroy natural surroundings... forest fires: how many times have we heard that such a destructive attitude towards the environment is the product of Western man’s alienation from nature?
American Indians were forest-burners par excellence:it was not the forests which impressed the early settlers but the absence of them.



Thomas Morton, a Puritan, wrote in 1637:

"...the Savages are accustomed to set fire of the Country in all places where they come, and to burne it twize a year, vixe at the Spring, and the fall of the leafe. The reason that mooves them to doe so, is because it would other wise be a coppice wood, and the people would not be able in any wise to passe through the Country out of a beaten path."
Morton, T., "New English Canaan: or, New Canaan, 1637," rpt. pp.52-4, quoted in Chase, " Playing God in Yellowstone: The Destruction of America's First National Park," p. 94.


They hated the forests...they burned them down so they could see the animals they hunted. " Once the forests have been burnt, however, and the land transformed to grasslands and savannah, these desirable species become available. The species which the Indians most wanted to hunt, like bison, moose, elk and deer, are found most easily in areas of recently burnt forest, which is why they burnt the forests over and over again."
Chase, Op. Cit.





Gads, you're an imbecile.

 

[Clipper]

Enough to kill a significant percentage of the population. Which will be tough, since 90 percent died from disease.

They died from diseases such as smallpox brought here by Europeans, idiot.

 

[alang1216]

Only one who has never read a book would say something as absurd at that.


Let's start with the fastest way to destroy natural surroundings... forest fires: how many times have we heard that such a destructive attitude towards the environment is the product of Western man’s alienation from nature?
American Indians were forest-burners par excellence:it was not the forests which impressed the early settlers but the absence of them.



Thomas Morton, a Puritan, wrote in 1637:

"...the Savages are accustomed to set fire of the Country in all places where they come, and to burne it twize a year, vixe at the Spring, and the fall of the leafe. The reason that mooves them to doe so, is because it would other wise be a coppice wood, and the people would not be able in any wise to passe through the Country out of a beaten path."
Morton, T., "New English Canaan: or, New Canaan, 1637," rpt. pp.52-4, quoted in Chase, " Playing God in Yellowstone: The Destruction of America's First National Park," p. 94.


They hated the forests...they burned them down so they could see the animals they hunted. " Once the forests have been burnt, however, and the land transformed to grasslands and savannah, these desirable species become available. The species which the Indians most wanted to hunt, like bison, moose, elk and deer, are found most easily in areas of recently burnt forest, which is why they burnt the forests over and over again."
Chase, Op. Cit.





Gads, you're an imbecile.

The Indians burned the forests to clear the land and the Europeans chopped down the forest to clear the land. Seems like 6 of one 1/2 dozen of another.

Out West we prevented Indians from setting periodic fires and now have devastating wild fires. They have much to teach us it seems.

 

[Clipper]

Only one who has never read a book would say something as absurd at that.


Let's start with the fastest way to destroy natural surroundings... forest fires: how many times have we heard that such a destructive attitude towards the environment is the product of Western man’s alienation from nature?
American Indians were forest-burners par excellence:it was not the forests which impressed the early settlers but the absence of them.



Thomas Morton, a Puritan, wrote in 1637:

"...the Savages are accustomed to set fire of the Country in all places where they come, and to burne it twize a year, vixe at the Spring, and the fall of the leafe. The reason that mooves them to doe so, is because it would other wise be a coppice wood, and the people would not be able in any wise to passe through the Country out of a beaten path."
Morton, T., "New English Canaan: or, New Canaan, 1637," rpt. pp.52-4, quoted in Chase, " Playing God in Yellowstone: The Destruction of America's First National Park," p. 94.


They hated the forests...they burned them down so they could see the animals they hunted. " Once the forests have been burnt, however, and the land transformed to grasslands and savannah, these desirable species become available. The species which the Indians most wanted to hunt, like bison, moose, elk and deer, are found most easily in areas of recently burnt forest, which is why they burnt the forests over and over again."
Chase, Op. Cit.





Gads, you're an imbecile.

Where were you imported from? Asking for a friend.

 

[Correll]

They died from diseases such as smallpox brought here by Europeans, idiot.

Which is not intentional or genocide. That is the point.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Let's also say their respect for freedom and for their environment was more advanced than yours.

Poor brain washed moron.

Everything you know about the issue is wrong.
Tribes were in a constant state of warfare and the losers inevitably became slaves of the winners.
So much for their respect for freedom.

And their respect for the "environment" was also non existent.
Great forests were burned to the ground by native Americans and many species of mega fauna were hunted
to extinction.
And the species that couldn't be killed off fast enough, like buffalo or deer, were able to
move around in a vast nation, mostly without humans, well enough to remain alive and apart from a people whose conception of the "environment" was nonexistent.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

The Indians burned the forests to clear the land and the Europeans chopped down the forest to clear the land. Seems like 6 of one 1/2 dozen of another.

Out West we prevented Indians from setting periodic fires and now have devastating wild fires. They have much to teach us it seems.

How many native Americans have left behind electricity, television, video games and stores for going back to a living off the land cave man sort of existence that their ancestors lived on for thousands of years?

The answer is none.

 

[PoliticalChic]

How many native Americans have left behind electricity, television, video games and stores for going back to a living off the land cave man sort of existence that their ancestors lived on for thousands of years?

The answer is none.

But.....and this is the point of the thread......they have been eminently useful to the America-haters to infect our young with that hatred.
Sadly, I see no way to get that toothpaste back in the tube.

 

[whitehall]

American Indian tribes were abused terribly in the past by the U.S. government just as they abused each other for a thousand years. Today they scalp the White man in casinos and enjoy the same Constitutional protection as non-Indians. Carrying 200 year old guilt around is like carrying a bag of bricks. All you have to do is set it down.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

American Indian tribes were abused terribly in the past by the U.S. government just as they abused each other for a thousand years. Today they scalp the White man in casinos and enjoy the same Constitutional protection as non-Indians. Carrying 200 year old guilt around is like carrying a bag of bricks. All you have to do is set it down.

There's good money to be made in America, even by tribes that got into the casino business.
There are only bitter losers, like Noam Chomsky, that perpetuate a hate evil America agenda
in order to make a buck themselves.

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My mother's half sister was a member of the tribe, by the way and there is some good money
in the Indian business.
Colville Tribal Federal Corporation (CTFC) has responsibility for managing economic development. It manages 13 enterprises that "include gaming, recreation and tourism, retail, construction and wood products." CTFC is an economic leader in northeastern Washington. "The corporation employs over 800 people" and generates more than $120 million annually in revenues.[5]

After three years in development, in 2013 the tribes opened the Chief Joseph Hatchery for salmon fishery enhancement below the Chief Joseph Dam, in an effort to aid restoration of the salmon run on the Columbia River. In the first year, they released 1.9 million smolts. In 2017, at full production, they expect to release 2.9 million. Typically, only one percent return as adults.[6]

At the First Salmon Ceremony in May 2016, there was a special celebration as these tribes and members of others from both sides of the 49th parallel commemorated the return of salmon to the river, and the first jacks to return to the hatchery. When adult salmon return in 2017, they will be ready for harvest. Members of the United Columbia Upriver Tribes Committee are collaborating on ways to restore runs above the Chief Joseph and Grand Coulee dams, using new technology that eases the passage of fish

It sure beats living in a tent and scratching out an existence in the snow.

 

[alang1216]

Everything you know about the issue is wrong.
Tribes were in a constant state of warfare and the losers inevitably became slaves of the winners.
So much for their respect for freedom.

In that regard they were no worse than the Europeans. I'd say their respect for individual freedom though was greater.

And their respect for the "environment" was also non existent.
Great forests were burned to the ground by native Americans

They found grasslands more productive, just ask the buffalo that thrived there. Most European forests are long gone by now, cleared for farms.

and many species of mega fauna were hunted
to extinction.

Yet buffalo, elk, moose, and bears did well. I think it was climate change that did the job.

 

[alang1216]

How many native Americans have left behind electricity, television, video games and stores for going back to a living off the land cave man sort of existence that their ancestors lived on for thousands of years?

The answer is none.

European technology was certainly superior.