Remember when Trumpleton's blamed socialized medicine for rationing care in Italy?

[progressive hunter]

Henry Ford Health letter on rationing ventilators is for 'worst-case scenario'

Henry Ford Health letter on rationing ventilators is for 'worst-case scenario'

Henry Ford Health officials say a letter circulating on social media outlines some of the health system's emergency response protocols for the "worst-case scenario."

www.theoaklandpress.com

"Henry Ford Health officials say a letter circulating on social media outlines some of the health system's emergency response protocols for the "worst-case scenario."

The letter, addressed to patients, families, and the community, describes how patients would be prioritized if the health system runs out of ventilators and ICU beds.

"Because of shortages, we will need to be careful with resources," the letter read. "Patients who have the best chance of getting better are our first priority. Patients will be evaluated for the best plan for care and dying patients will be provided comfort care (to include treatment for pain control and other comfort measures)."
......................................................................................................................................
A lottery for ventilators? Hospitals prepare for ethical conundrums

A lottery for ventilators? Hospitals prepare for ethical conundrums

While some states have ethics guidelines in place, there is no national standard for who gets access to scarce life-saving machinery.

www.politico.com

"When a group of doctors, ethicists and religious leaders got together to write New York’s 2015 ethical guidelines for allocating ventilators in a pandemic, they coalesced around a clear principle: Scarce resources should go to the person most likely to be saved. But they had to contemplate another, tougher, situation: What if a number of patients were equally likely to benefit?

In that case, they decided, a lottery might be the fairest option.

The specter of such extreme rationing – a large number of critically ill patients confronting a finite supply of life-saving machinery – was grim but theoretical when debated by the philosophically minded panel. Now, as New York and other states gird for the possibility of a shortage of ventilators, that ethics roadmap could come actually into practice."
.........................................................................................................................................
A number of US cities are on the cusp of being Italy. Shortages of all sorts of medical supplies are being experienced around the country.

In Italy, the problem wasn't so much a lack of equipment as it was the speed with which the virus spread. Too many patients too quickly, overwhelming Italy's capacity to handle the escalation.

That is the phase we are entering. As always, Trump ordering GM to manufacture ventilators comes not proactively but reactively in an attempt to make up for lost time. Lost time due to his inaction during the weeks when we had a chance to plan for the inevitable outbreak the experts surrounding him told him was coming.

wanna bet the free market steps up and starts making them???

OH wait,,they already are,,,

It ain’t the free market baby, it’s the heavy hand of the federal government.

Trump uses Defense Production Act to require GM to make ventilators

President Trump on Friday used the Defense Production Act to compel General Motors to produce ventilators to combat the coronavirus after days of hesitating to use the powers in the law.The pr…

thehill.com

Honey, only with gm after they had stated they would then they wouldn’t.

How does that change anything?

For starters, it isn’t even “the free market” since these ventilators are being purchased with government funds. Second, if the manufacturers and market were so good at providing ventilators, it wouldn’t matter if GM changed their mind, as there would be someone else to fill their place.

Finally, if we had been hit as hard and as quickly as Italy had, we would have been in the exact same position of having to ration care, social medicine or not.

the more you talk the dumber you look,,,

tell me can you show us where people in italy are stepping up and making them???

 

[berg80]

in a socialized system all that they made would be burned and they would be shot for not getting permission,,,

Again, making absurd assertions in order to bolster your position just makes you look clownish.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Soooooo, you're admitting that socialized medicine sucks. Good for you!

Allow me to recommend a remedial reading class to improve your comprehension skills.

Trump? But the NY lead doctor on Feb 6th said everything was fine. Should Trump have not listened to her? Does he know more than the doctors?

 

[progressive hunter]

because they could,,in your system they would need permission,,,

What makes you believe the use of a respirator to serve 4 people does not require approval by the hospital's administration?

what makes you believe it does???

 

[progressive hunter]

in a socialized system all that they made would be burned and they would be shot for not getting permission,,,

Again, making absurd assertions in order to bolster your position just makes you look clownish.

if I didnt have history to back it up,,,

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Henry Ford Health letter on rationing ventilators is for 'worst-case scenario'

Henry Ford Health letter on rationing ventilators is for 'worst-case scenario'

Henry Ford Health officials say a letter circulating on social media outlines some of the health system's emergency response protocols for the "worst-case scenario."

www.theoaklandpress.com

"Henry Ford Health officials say a letter circulating on social media outlines some of the health system's emergency response protocols for the "worst-case scenario."

The letter, addressed to patients, families, and the community, describes how patients would be prioritized if the health system runs out of ventilators and ICU beds.

"Because of shortages, we will need to be careful with resources," the letter read. "Patients who have the best chance of getting better are our first priority. Patients will be evaluated for the best plan for care and dying patients will be provided comfort care (to include treatment for pain control and other comfort measures)."
......................................................................................................................................
A lottery for ventilators? Hospitals prepare for ethical conundrums

A lottery for ventilators? Hospitals prepare for ethical conundrums

While some states have ethics guidelines in place, there is no national standard for who gets access to scarce life-saving machinery.

www.politico.com

"When a group of doctors, ethicists and religious leaders got together to write New York’s 2015 ethical guidelines for allocating ventilators in a pandemic, they coalesced around a clear principle: Scarce resources should go to the person most likely to be saved. But they had to contemplate another, tougher, situation: What if a number of patients were equally likely to benefit?

In that case, they decided, a lottery might be the fairest option.

The specter of such extreme rationing – a large number of critically ill patients confronting a finite supply of life-saving machinery – was grim but theoretical when debated by the philosophically minded panel. Now, as New York and other states gird for the possibility of a shortage of ventilators, that ethics roadmap could come actually into practice."
.........................................................................................................................................
A number of US cities are on the cusp of being Italy. Shortages of all sorts of medical supplies are being experienced around the country.

In Italy, the problem wasn't so much a lack of equipment as it was the speed with which the virus spread. Too many patients too quickly, overwhelming Italy's capacity to handle the escalation.

That is the phase we are entering. As always, Trump ordering GM to manufacture ventilators comes not proactively but reactively in an attempt to make up for lost time. Lost time due to his inaction during the weeks when we had a chance to plan for the inevitable outbreak the experts surrounding him told him was coming.

wanna bet the free market steps up and starts making them???

OH wait,,they already are,,,

It ain’t the free market baby, it’s the heavy hand of the federal government.

Trump uses Defense Production Act to require GM to make ventilators

President Trump on Friday used the Defense Production Act to compel General Motors to produce ventilators to combat the coronavirus after days of hesitating to use the powers in the law.The pr…

thehill.com

I hate to break it to you but as far as I know Dyson, Elon Musk and others are not being compelled by anyone.
Other like Hanes are stepping in to manufacture masks.

So is MyPillow. Trump has mobilized the private sector.

 

[berg80]

tell me can you show us where people in italy are stepping up and making them???

I have no idea if there are any Italian companies capable of manufacturing respirators. Sadly, you appear to think that is relevant to the conversation. It isn't. Did you drop out of high school by any chance?

 

[Maxdeath]

I hate to break it to you but as far as I know Dyson, Elon Musk and others are not being compelled by anyone.
Other like Hanes are stepping in to manufacture masks.

What is it about our system of healthcare that you believe inspired these companies to ramp up production now that the demand for PPE is so obvious?

Lol. You really are a crazy little child. It is money and caring about others.
Have you somehow missed the fact that most of our manufacturing has been moved out of the U.S.?
Have you somehow missed the fact that we have more people sick and dying then is average?
Did you somehow miss the fact that during the swine flu our inventory on some ppe was drawn down and not replaced?
Did you miss the fact that the New York mayor was told back in 2015 that they needed more ventilators but chose not to purchase them?

Sorry but it all comes down to money.

 

[berg80]

Trump has mobilized the private sector.

As of yesterday. How proud you must be of Dear Leader that he did so about a month late.

 

[depotoo]

Henry Ford Health letter on rationing ventilators is for 'worst-case scenario'

Henry Ford Health letter on rationing ventilators is for 'worst-case scenario'

Henry Ford Health officials say a letter circulating on social media outlines some of the health system's emergency response protocols for the "worst-case scenario."

www.theoaklandpress.com

"Henry Ford Health officials say a letter circulating on social media outlines some of the health system's emergency response protocols for the "worst-case scenario."

The letter, addressed to patients, families, and the community, describes how patients would be prioritized if the health system runs out of ventilators and ICU beds.

"Because of shortages, we will need to be careful with resources," the letter read. "Patients who have the best chance of getting better are our first priority. Patients will be evaluated for the best plan for care and dying patients will be provided comfort care (to include treatment for pain control and other comfort measures)."
......................................................................................................................................
A lottery for ventilators? Hospitals prepare for ethical conundrums

A lottery for ventilators? Hospitals prepare for ethical conundrums

While some states have ethics guidelines in place, there is no national standard for who gets access to scarce life-saving machinery.

www.politico.com

"When a group of doctors, ethicists and religious leaders got together to write New York’s 2015 ethical guidelines for allocating ventilators in a pandemic, they coalesced around a clear principle: Scarce resources should go to the person most likely to be saved. But they had to contemplate another, tougher, situation: What if a number of patients were equally likely to benefit?

In that case, they decided, a lottery might be the fairest option.

The specter of such extreme rationing – a large number of critically ill patients confronting a finite supply of life-saving machinery – was grim but theoretical when debated by the philosophically minded panel. Now, as New York and other states gird for the possibility of a shortage of ventilators, that ethics roadmap could come actually into practice."
.........................................................................................................................................
A number of US cities are on the cusp of being Italy. Shortages of all sorts of medical supplies are being experienced around the country.

In Italy, the problem wasn't so much a lack of equipment as it was the speed with which the virus spread. Too many patients too quickly, overwhelming Italy's capacity to handle the escalation.

That is the phase we are entering. As always, Trump ordering GM to manufacture ventilators comes not proactively but reactively in an attempt to make up for lost time. Lost time due to his inaction during the weeks when we had a chance to plan for the inevitable outbreak the experts surrounding him told him was coming.

wanna bet the free market steps up and starts making them???

OH wait,,they already are,,,

It ain’t the free market baby, it’s the heavy hand of the federal government.

Trump uses Defense Production Act to require GM to make ventilators

President Trump on Friday used the Defense Production Act to compel General Motors to produce ventilators to combat the coronavirus after days of hesitating to use the powers in the law.The pr…

thehill.com

Honey, only with gm after they had stated they would then they wouldn’t.

How does that change anything?

For starters, it isn’t even “the free market” since these ventilators are being purchased with government funds. Second, if the manufacturers and market were so good at providing ventilators, it wouldn’t matter if GM changed their mind, as there would be someone else to fill their place.

Finally, if we had been hit as hard and as quickly as Italy had, we would have been in the exact same position of having to ration care, social medicine or not.

Others stepped in, they just don’t have the facilities to push them out like gm. Always complaining.

 

[Nostra]

Trump has mobilized the private sector.

As of yesterday. How proud you must be of Dear Leader that he did so about a month late.

Bullshit. Trump mobilized private companies a while back, not yesterday.

 

[berg80]

Sorry but it all comes down to money.

So..........it's your contention this admin bears no responsibility for the predicament we are in?

 

[berg80]

Others stepped in, they just don’t have the facilities to push them out like gm. Always complaining.

Why are you so indignant about the admin being criticized when they have been so glaringly incompetent?

 

[colfax_m]

Henry Ford Health letter on rationing ventilators is for 'worst-case scenario'

Henry Ford Health letter on rationing ventilators is for 'worst-case scenario'

Henry Ford Health officials say a letter circulating on social media outlines some of the health system's emergency response protocols for the "worst-case scenario."

www.theoaklandpress.com

"Henry Ford Health officials say a letter circulating on social media outlines some of the health system's emergency response protocols for the "worst-case scenario."

The letter, addressed to patients, families, and the community, describes how patients would be prioritized if the health system runs out of ventilators and ICU beds.

"Because of shortages, we will need to be careful with resources," the letter read. "Patients who have the best chance of getting better are our first priority. Patients will be evaluated for the best plan for care and dying patients will be provided comfort care (to include treatment for pain control and other comfort measures)."
......................................................................................................................................
A lottery for ventilators? Hospitals prepare for ethical conundrums

A lottery for ventilators? Hospitals prepare for ethical conundrums

While some states have ethics guidelines in place, there is no national standard for who gets access to scarce life-saving machinery.

www.politico.com

"When a group of doctors, ethicists and religious leaders got together to write New York’s 2015 ethical guidelines for allocating ventilators in a pandemic, they coalesced around a clear principle: Scarce resources should go to the person most likely to be saved. But they had to contemplate another, tougher, situation: What if a number of patients were equally likely to benefit?

In that case, they decided, a lottery might be the fairest option.

The specter of such extreme rationing – a large number of critically ill patients confronting a finite supply of life-saving machinery – was grim but theoretical when debated by the philosophically minded panel. Now, as New York and other states gird for the possibility of a shortage of ventilators, that ethics roadmap could come actually into practice."
.........................................................................................................................................
A number of US cities are on the cusp of being Italy. Shortages of all sorts of medical supplies are being experienced around the country.

In Italy, the problem wasn't so much a lack of equipment as it was the speed with which the virus spread. Too many patients too quickly, overwhelming Italy's capacity to handle the escalation.

That is the phase we are entering. As always, Trump ordering GM to manufacture ventilators comes not proactively but reactively in an attempt to make up for lost time. Lost time due to his inaction during the weeks when we had a chance to plan for the inevitable outbreak the experts surrounding him told him was coming.

wanna bet the free market steps up and starts making them???

OH wait,,they already are,,,

It ain’t the free market baby, it’s the heavy hand of the federal government.

Trump uses Defense Production Act to require GM to make ventilators

President Trump on Friday used the Defense Production Act to compel General Motors to produce ventilators to combat the coronavirus after days of hesitating to use the powers in the law.The pr…

thehill.com

Honey, only with gm after they had stated they would then they wouldn’t.

How does that change anything?

For starters, it isn’t even “the free market” since these ventilators are being purchased with government funds. Second, if the manufacturers and market were so good at providing ventilators, it wouldn’t matter if GM changed their mind, as there would be someone else to fill their place.

Finally, if we had been hit as hard and as quickly as Italy had, we would have been in the exact same position of having to ration care, social medicine or not.

the more you talk the dumber you look,,,

tell me can you show us where people in italy are stepping up and making them???

'Our country needed help:' Italy's only ventilator maker works round the clock (and at cost) in coronavirus fight

For Italian businessman Gianluca Preziosa, the call to arms arrived on the morning of March 6, when Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte called to order 2,000 ventilators.

fortune.com

 

[progressive hunter]

Sorry but it all comes down to money.

So..........it's your contention this admin bears no responsibility for the predicament we are in?

we arent a socialist system so NO they dont,,,

its the hospitals and governors that are responsible,,,

 

[depotoo]

Sorry but it all comes down to money.

So..........it's your contention this admin bears no responsibility for the predicament we are in?

Hell no, the states and local authorities and facilities expected the feds to step in when they themselves were responsible for their own and did nothing.
They waited until it was too late to order and then China withheld their orders for themselves.

 

[colfax_m]

Henry Ford Health letter on rationing ventilators is for 'worst-case scenario'

Henry Ford Health letter on rationing ventilators is for 'worst-case scenario'

Henry Ford Health officials say a letter circulating on social media outlines some of the health system's emergency response protocols for the "worst-case scenario."

www.theoaklandpress.com

"Henry Ford Health officials say a letter circulating on social media outlines some of the health system's emergency response protocols for the "worst-case scenario."

The letter, addressed to patients, families, and the community, describes how patients would be prioritized if the health system runs out of ventilators and ICU beds.

"Because of shortages, we will need to be careful with resources," the letter read. "Patients who have the best chance of getting better are our first priority. Patients will be evaluated for the best plan for care and dying patients will be provided comfort care (to include treatment for pain control and other comfort measures)."
......................................................................................................................................
A lottery for ventilators? Hospitals prepare for ethical conundrums

A lottery for ventilators? Hospitals prepare for ethical conundrums

While some states have ethics guidelines in place, there is no national standard for who gets access to scarce life-saving machinery.

www.politico.com

"When a group of doctors, ethicists and religious leaders got together to write New York’s 2015 ethical guidelines for allocating ventilators in a pandemic, they coalesced around a clear principle: Scarce resources should go to the person most likely to be saved. But they had to contemplate another, tougher, situation: What if a number of patients were equally likely to benefit?

In that case, they decided, a lottery might be the fairest option.

The specter of such extreme rationing – a large number of critically ill patients confronting a finite supply of life-saving machinery – was grim but theoretical when debated by the philosophically minded panel. Now, as New York and other states gird for the possibility of a shortage of ventilators, that ethics roadmap could come actually into practice."
.........................................................................................................................................
A number of US cities are on the cusp of being Italy. Shortages of all sorts of medical supplies are being experienced around the country.

In Italy, the problem wasn't so much a lack of equipment as it was the speed with which the virus spread. Too many patients too quickly, overwhelming Italy's capacity to handle the escalation.

That is the phase we are entering. As always, Trump ordering GM to manufacture ventilators comes not proactively but reactively in an attempt to make up for lost time. Lost time due to his inaction during the weeks when we had a chance to plan for the inevitable outbreak the experts surrounding him told him was coming.

wanna bet the free market steps up and starts making them???

OH wait,,they already are,,,

It ain’t the free market baby, it’s the heavy hand of the federal government.

Trump uses Defense Production Act to require GM to make ventilators

President Trump on Friday used the Defense Production Act to compel General Motors to produce ventilators to combat the coronavirus after days of hesitating to use the powers in the law.The pr…

thehill.com

Honey, only with gm after they had stated they would then they wouldn’t.

How does that change anything?

For starters, it isn’t even “the free market” since these ventilators are being purchased with government funds. Second, if the manufacturers and market were so good at providing ventilators, it wouldn’t matter if GM changed their mind, as there would be someone else to fill their place.

Finally, if we had been hit as hard and as quickly as Italy had, we would have been in the exact same position of having to ration care, social medicine or not.

Others stepped in, they just don’t have the facilities to push them out like gm. Always complaining.

Who is complaining?

 

[progressive hunter]

Others stepped in, they just don’t have the facilities to push them out like gm. Always complaining.

Why are you so indignant about the admin being criticized when they have been so glaringly incompetent?

why are you so emotional about blaming them for everything including your own failures,,,

 

[berg80]

its the hospitals and governors that are responsible,,,

Damn that Cuomo. Why didn't he get on the phone and order GM to start making respirators two months ago?

 

[progressive hunter]

Henry Ford Health letter on rationing ventilators is for 'worst-case scenario'

Henry Ford Health letter on rationing ventilators is for 'worst-case scenario'

Henry Ford Health officials say a letter circulating on social media outlines some of the health system's emergency response protocols for the "worst-case scenario."

www.theoaklandpress.com

"Henry Ford Health officials say a letter circulating on social media outlines some of the health system's emergency response protocols for the "worst-case scenario."

The letter, addressed to patients, families, and the community, describes how patients would be prioritized if the health system runs out of ventilators and ICU beds.

"Because of shortages, we will need to be careful with resources," the letter read. "Patients who have the best chance of getting better are our first priority. Patients will be evaluated for the best plan for care and dying patients will be provided comfort care (to include treatment for pain control and other comfort measures)."
......................................................................................................................................
A lottery for ventilators? Hospitals prepare for ethical conundrums

A lottery for ventilators? Hospitals prepare for ethical conundrums

While some states have ethics guidelines in place, there is no national standard for who gets access to scarce life-saving machinery.

www.politico.com

"When a group of doctors, ethicists and religious leaders got together to write New York’s 2015 ethical guidelines for allocating ventilators in a pandemic, they coalesced around a clear principle: Scarce resources should go to the person most likely to be saved. But they had to contemplate another, tougher, situation: What if a number of patients were equally likely to benefit?

In that case, they decided, a lottery might be the fairest option.

The specter of such extreme rationing – a large number of critically ill patients confronting a finite supply of life-saving machinery – was grim but theoretical when debated by the philosophically minded panel. Now, as New York and other states gird for the possibility of a shortage of ventilators, that ethics roadmap could come actually into practice."
.........................................................................................................................................
A number of US cities are on the cusp of being Italy. Shortages of all sorts of medical supplies are being experienced around the country.

In Italy, the problem wasn't so much a lack of equipment as it was the speed with which the virus spread. Too many patients too quickly, overwhelming Italy's capacity to handle the escalation.

That is the phase we are entering. As always, Trump ordering GM to manufacture ventilators comes not proactively but reactively in an attempt to make up for lost time. Lost time due to his inaction during the weeks when we had a chance to plan for the inevitable outbreak the experts surrounding him told him was coming.

wanna bet the free market steps up and starts making them???

OH wait,,they already are,,,

It ain’t the free market baby, it’s the heavy hand of the federal government.

Trump uses Defense Production Act to require GM to make ventilators

President Trump on Friday used the Defense Production Act to compel General Motors to produce ventilators to combat the coronavirus after days of hesitating to use the powers in the law.The pr…

thehill.com

Honey, only with gm after they had stated they would then they wouldn’t.

How does that change anything?

For starters, it isn’t even “the free market” since these ventilators are being purchased with government funds. Second, if the manufacturers and market were so good at providing ventilators, it wouldn’t matter if GM changed their mind, as there would be someone else to fill their place.

Finally, if we had been hit as hard and as quickly as Italy had, we would have been in the exact same position of having to ration care, social medicine or not.

Others stepped in, they just don’t have the facilities to push them out like gm. Always complaining.

Who is complaining?

you and your Siamese twin are,,,