Remember when Trumpleton's blamed socialized medicine for rationing care in Italy?

[berg80]

why are you so emotional about blaming them for everything including your own failures,,,

So.........now the shortage of medical supplies is my fault? Sorry, I didn't vote for Capt. Corona.

 

[progressive hunter]

its the hospitals and governors that are responsible,,,

Damn that Cuomo. Why didn't he get on the phone and order GM to start making respirators two months ago?

you will have to ask him why,,,he should have started with companies that already mad them,,,

 

[colfax_m]

Sorry but it all comes down to money.

So..........it's your contention this admin bears no responsibility for the predicament we are in?

we arent a socialist system so NO they dont,,,

its the hospitals and governors that are responsible,,,

Nonsense. Trump is the single most important part of the response to COVID. He unfortunately has to bear some responsibility for the outcome, good or bad.

 

[Nostra]

Henry Ford Health letter on rationing ventilators is for 'worst-case scenario'

Henry Ford Health letter on rationing ventilators is for 'worst-case scenario'

Henry Ford Health officials say a letter circulating on social media outlines some of the health system's emergency response protocols for the "worst-case scenario."

www.theoaklandpress.com

"Henry Ford Health officials say a letter circulating on social media outlines some of the health system's emergency response protocols for the "worst-case scenario."

The letter, addressed to patients, families, and the community, describes how patients would be prioritized if the health system runs out of ventilators and ICU beds.

"Because of shortages, we will need to be careful with resources," the letter read. "Patients who have the best chance of getting better are our first priority. Patients will be evaluated for the best plan for care and dying patients will be provided comfort care (to include treatment for pain control and other comfort measures)."
......................................................................................................................................
A lottery for ventilators? Hospitals prepare for ethical conundrums

A lottery for ventilators? Hospitals prepare for ethical conundrums

While some states have ethics guidelines in place, there is no national standard for who gets access to scarce life-saving machinery.

www.politico.com

"When a group of doctors, ethicists and religious leaders got together to write New York’s 2015 ethical guidelines for allocating ventilators in a pandemic, they coalesced around a clear principle: Scarce resources should go to the person most likely to be saved. But they had to contemplate another, tougher, situation: What if a number of patients were equally likely to benefit?

In that case, they decided, a lottery might be the fairest option.

The specter of such extreme rationing – a large number of critically ill patients confronting a finite supply of life-saving machinery – was grim but theoretical when debated by the philosophically minded panel. Now, as New York and other states gird for the possibility of a shortage of ventilators, that ethics roadmap could come actually into practice."
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A number of US cities are on the cusp of being Italy. Shortages of all sorts of medical supplies are being experienced around the country.

In Italy, the problem wasn't so much a lack of equipment as it was the speed with which the virus spread. Too many patients too quickly, overwhelming Italy's capacity to handle the escalation.

That is the phase we are entering. As always, Trump ordering GM to manufacture ventilators comes not proactively but reactively in an attempt to make up for lost time. Lost time due to his inaction during the weeks when we had a chance to plan for the inevitable outbreak the experts surrounding him told him was coming.

wanna bet the free market steps up and starts making them???

OH wait,,they already are,,,

It ain’t the free market baby, it’s the heavy hand of the federal government.

Trump uses Defense Production Act to require GM to make ventilators

President Trump on Friday used the Defense Production Act to compel General Motors to produce ventilators to combat the coronavirus after days of hesitating to use the powers in the law.The pr…

thehill.com

Honey, only with gm after they had stated they would then they wouldn’t.

How does that change anything?

For starters, it isn’t even “the free market” since these ventilators are being purchased with government funds. Second, if the manufacturers and market were so good at providing ventilators, it wouldn’t matter if GM changed their mind, as there would be someone else to fill their place.

Finally, if we had been hit as hard and as quickly as Italy had, we would have been in the exact same position of having to ration care, social medicine or not.

the more you talk the dumber you look,,,

tell me can you show us where people in italy are stepping up and making them???

'Our country needed help:' Italy's only ventilator maker works round the clock (and at cost) in coronavirus fight

For Italian businessman Gianluca Preziosa, the call to arms arrived on the morning of March 6, when Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte called to order 2,000 ventilators.

fortune.com

Yippee for socialized medicine!

 

[progressive hunter]

why are you so emotional about blaming them for everything including your own failures,,,

So.........now the shortage of medical supplies is my fault? Sorry, I didn't vote for Capt. Corona.

y
those arent your failures I'm talking about,,,

 

[Nostra]

its the hospitals and governors that are responsible,,,

Damn that Cuomo. Why didn't he get on the phone and order GM to start making respirators two months ago?

Why didn’t he buy them in 2015 instead of solar panels?

 

[Maxdeath]

Henry Ford Health letter on rationing ventilators is for 'worst-case scenario'

Henry Ford Health letter on rationing ventilators is for 'worst-case scenario'

Henry Ford Health officials say a letter circulating on social media outlines some of the health system's emergency response protocols for the "worst-case scenario."

www.theoaklandpress.com

"Henry Ford Health officials say a letter circulating on social media outlines some of the health system's emergency response protocols for the "worst-case scenario."

The letter, addressed to patients, families, and the community, describes how patients would be prioritized if the health system runs out of ventilators and ICU beds.

"Because of shortages, we will need to be careful with resources," the letter read. "Patients who have the best chance of getting better are our first priority. Patients will be evaluated for the best plan for care and dying patients will be provided comfort care (to include treatment for pain control and other comfort measures)."
......................................................................................................................................
A lottery for ventilators? Hospitals prepare for ethical conundrums

A lottery for ventilators? Hospitals prepare for ethical conundrums

While some states have ethics guidelines in place, there is no national standard for who gets access to scarce life-saving machinery.

www.politico.com

"When a group of doctors, ethicists and religious leaders got together to write New York’s 2015 ethical guidelines for allocating ventilators in a pandemic, they coalesced around a clear principle: Scarce resources should go to the person most likely to be saved. But they had to contemplate another, tougher, situation: What if a number of patients were equally likely to benefit?

In that case, they decided, a lottery might be the fairest option.

The specter of such extreme rationing – a large number of critically ill patients confronting a finite supply of life-saving machinery – was grim but theoretical when debated by the philosophically minded panel. Now, as New York and other states gird for the possibility of a shortage of ventilators, that ethics roadmap could come actually into practice."
.........................................................................................................................................
A number of US cities are on the cusp of being Italy. Shortages of all sorts of medical supplies are being experienced around the country.

In Italy, the problem wasn't so much a lack of equipment as it was the speed with which the virus spread. Too many patients too quickly, overwhelming Italy's capacity to handle the escalation.

That is the phase we are entering. As always, Trump ordering GM to manufacture ventilators comes not proactively but reactively in an attempt to make up for lost time. Lost time due to his inaction during the weeks when we had a chance to plan for the inevitable outbreak the experts surrounding him told him was coming.

wanna bet the free market steps up and starts making them???

OH wait,,they already are,,,

It ain’t the free market baby, it’s the heavy hand of the federal government.

Trump uses Defense Production Act to require GM to make ventilators

President Trump on Friday used the Defense Production Act to compel General Motors to produce ventilators to combat the coronavirus after days of hesitating to use the powers in the law.The pr…

thehill.com

I hate to break it to you but as far as I know Dyson, Elon Musk and others are not being compelled by anyone.
Other like Hanes are stepping in to manufacture masks.

Clearly not good enough, otherwise the law would not have been utilized.

Damn I love crazy. You do realize that companies like dyson are not geared up for producing those kinds of things?
They not only have to retool but they have to creat things like clean rooms. You do realize that that kind of thing is not throw up a peice of plastic?
They then have to train people how to build what they are supposed to do. You do realize that you can't just put someone on a line building a ventilator and give them a part with out explaining where it goes and how to install it?
They even have to rest torque on their tools.
They even have to work out quality control protacalls. You do realize that it does no good to have something that looks like a ventilator but does not work?

 

[progressive hunter]

Sorry but it all comes down to money.

So..........it's your contention this admin bears no responsibility for the predicament we are in?

we arent a socialist system so NO they dont,,,

its the hospitals and governors that are responsible,,,

Nonsense. Trump is the single most important part of the response to COVID. He unfortunately has to bear some responsibility for the outcome, good or bad.

sure he bares some,,,but at some point you and yours hold the most,,,
I dont expect the feds to do a damn thing for me other than to keep you fucking commies off my neck so I can take care of myself,,,

 

[berg80]

those arent your failures I'm talking about,,,

Hey, I just want to say I'm sorry. It wasn't my intention to humiliate you. But you have to admit, it wasn't all my fault. You didn't exactly make it hard.

Have a good night.

 

[progressive hunter]

those arent your failures I'm talking about,,,

Hey, I just want to say I'm sorry. It wasn't my intention to humiliate you. But you have to admit, it wasn't all my fault. You didn't exactly make it hard.

Have a good night.

WHAT????

your mind is gone,,,

 

[theHawk]

Henry Ford Health letter on rationing ventilators is for 'worst-case scenario'

Henry Ford Health letter on rationing ventilators is for 'worst-case scenario'

Henry Ford Health officials say a letter circulating on social media outlines some of the health system's emergency response protocols for the "worst-case scenario."

www.theoaklandpress.com

"Henry Ford Health officials say a letter circulating on social media outlines some of the health system's emergency response protocols for the "worst-case scenario."

The letter, addressed to patients, families, and the community, describes how patients would be prioritized if the health system runs out of ventilators and ICU beds.

"Because of shortages, we will need to be careful with resources," the letter read. "Patients who have the best chance of getting better are our first priority. Patients will be evaluated for the best plan for care and dying patients will be provided comfort care (to include treatment for pain control and other comfort measures)."
......................................................................................................................................
A lottery for ventilators? Hospitals prepare for ethical conundrums

A lottery for ventilators? Hospitals prepare for ethical conundrums

While some states have ethics guidelines in place, there is no national standard for who gets access to scarce life-saving machinery.

www.politico.com

"When a group of doctors, ethicists and religious leaders got together to write New York’s 2015 ethical guidelines for allocating ventilators in a pandemic, they coalesced around a clear principle: Scarce resources should go to the person most likely to be saved. But they had to contemplate another, tougher, situation: What if a number of patients were equally likely to benefit?

In that case, they decided, a lottery might be the fairest option.

The specter of such extreme rationing – a large number of critically ill patients confronting a finite supply of life-saving machinery – was grim but theoretical when debated by the philosophically minded panel. Now, as New York and other states gird for the possibility of a shortage of ventilators, that ethics roadmap could come actually into practice."
.........................................................................................................................................
A number of US cities are on the cusp of being Italy. Shortages of all sorts of medical supplies are being experienced around the country.

In Italy, the problem wasn't so much a lack of equipment as it was the speed with which the virus spread. Too many patients too quickly, overwhelming Italy's capacity to handle the escalation.

That is the phase we are entering. As always, Trump ordering GM to manufacture ventilators comes not proactively but reactively in an attempt to make up for lost time. Lost time due to his inaction during the weeks when we had a chance to plan for the inevitable outbreak the experts surrounding him told him was coming.

No, the problem with Italy was their healthcare system was a wreck before the virus. Closed hospitals, fired medical workers, corrupt bureaucrats wasting millions of dollars. Then when it hit, their moronic leftwing leaders told everyone to “not be afraid”, and to “go hug a Chinese person”. Because “xenophobia” was a bigger threat than the Chinese virus.

Of course New York followed suit, and that’s why it is now the epicenter in the US.

Liberalism kills, folks.

 

[depotoo]

Others stepped in, they just don’t have the facilities to push them out like gm. Always complaining.

Why are you so indignant about the admin being criticized when they have been so glaringly incompetent?

why are you so emotional about blaming them for everything including your own failures,,,

One thing dems show over and over. They can’t accept responsibility for any of their own failings. Ever.

 

[colfax_m]

Sorry but it all comes down to money.

So..........it's your contention this admin bears no responsibility for the predicament we are in?

we arent a socialist system so NO they dont,,,

its the hospitals and governors that are responsible,,,

Nonsense. Trump is the single most important part of the response to COVID. He unfortunately has to bear some responsibility for the outcome, good or bad.

sure he bares some,,,but at some point you and yours hold the most,,,
I dont expect the feds to do a damn thing for me other than to keep you fucking commies off my neck so I can take care of myself,,,

I don’t believe you.

 

[Markle]

Soooooo, you're admitting that socialized medicine sucks. Good for you!

Allow me to recommend a remedial reading class to improve your comprehension skills.

You're the one who denigrated socialized healthcare.

For a number of years, Great Britain had a systematic program, as part of NICE to euthanize elderly patients without informing them or their relatives. It was called the Liverpool Care Pathway.

 

[progressive hunter]

Sorry but it all comes down to money.

So..........it's your contention this admin bears no responsibility for the predicament we are in?

we arent a socialist system so NO they dont,,,

its the hospitals and governors that are responsible,,,

Nonsense. Trump is the single most important part of the response to COVID. He unfortunately has to bear some responsibility for the outcome, good or bad.

sure he bares some,,,but at some point you and yours hold the most,,,
I dont expect the feds to do a damn thing for me other than to keep you fucking commies off my neck so I can take care of myself,,,

I don’t believe you.

I dont care,,,

 

[colfax_m]

Others stepped in, they just don’t have the facilities to push them out like gm. Always complaining.

Why are you so indignant about the admin being criticized when they have been so glaringly incompetent?

why are you so emotional about blaming them for everything including your own failures,,,

One thing dems show over and over. They can’t accept responsibility for any of their own failings. Ever.

Name one thing Trump has ever accepted responsibility for.

 

[depotoo]

Sorry but it all comes down to money.

So..........it's your contention this admin bears no responsibility for the predicament we are in?

we arent a socialist system so NO they dont,,,

its the hospitals and governors that are responsible,,,

Nonsense. Trump is the single most important part of the response to COVID. He unfortunately has to bear some responsibility for the outcome, good or bad.

That would be true under a commie system, not a free Republic, much to your chagrin.

 

[progressive hunter]

Others stepped in, they just don’t have the facilities to push them out like gm. Always complaining.

Why are you so indignant about the admin being criticized when they have been so glaringly incompetent?

why are you so emotional about blaming them for everything including your own failures,,,

One thing dems show over and over. They can’t accept responsibility for any of their own failings. Ever.

Name one thing Trump has ever accepted responsibility for.

dont change the subject just because your loosing the discussion,,,

 

[Maxdeath]

Trump has mobilized the private sector.

As of yesterday. How proud you must be of Dear Leader that he did so about a month late.

I love the undereducated. You do realize that first of all with modern transportation it was probably way to late by the time we heard one syllable about the virus?
You do realize that we had idiots that were yelling that it was wrong of him to shutdown travel when he did?
Do you realize that there were people that have criticized him for years because they felt he had too much power and was trying to grab more. In fact you come to mind as one of those complaining about that all the time.

 

[Nostra]

Just another berg80 unhinged Trump hating thread that blew up in his face....