Remember when Trumpleton's blamed socialized medicine for rationing care in Italy?

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I want to hear from Sarah Palin on this one. She's always been so wise.
But her counterpart Pelosi shows us real lunacy as she actually has power. A prog has no decency in leaving politics when they ph uk up. Prog women are the worst. And she has screwed up some times. She had her opportunities and failed. It is time for her to leave. She will not know how to handle uprisings. Indeed many of the political class won't and it will be an unappetizing answer for some.
 

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Tell us again how we need to be like Italy......
You know, usually I just ignore the ignorant drivel that dribbles outta yer face, but every now and then you say something that just makes me stop in awe and wonder at just how fuckin' dumb you really are. The quoted post is one of those times.

Seriously, is that what you got from the OP?

Or did you just not read anything but the title?
 
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Henry Ford Health letter on rationing ventilators is for 'worst-case scenario'

"Henry Ford Health officials say a letter circulating on social media outlines some of the health system's emergency response protocols for the "worst-case scenario."

The letter, addressed to patients, families, and the community, describes how patients would be prioritized if the health system runs out of ventilators and ICU beds.

"Because of shortages, we will need to be careful with resources," the letter read. "Patients who have the best chance of getting better are our first priority. Patients will be evaluated for the best plan for care and dying patients will be provided comfort care (to include treatment for pain control and other comfort measures)."
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A lottery for ventilators? Hospitals prepare for ethical conundrums

"When a group of doctors, ethicists and religious leaders got together to write New York’s 2015 ethical guidelines for allocating ventilators in a pandemic, they coalesced around a clear principle: Scarce resources should go to the person most likely to be saved. But they had to contemplate another, tougher, situation: What if a number of patients were equally likely to benefit?

In that case, they decided, a lottery might be the fairest option.

The specter of such extreme rationing – a large number of critically ill patients confronting a finite supply of life-saving machinery – was grim but theoretical when debated by the philosophically minded panel. Now, as New York and other states gird for the possibility of a shortage of ventilators, that ethics roadmap could come actually into practice."
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A number of US cities are on the cusp of being Italy. Shortages of all sorts of medical supplies are being experienced around the country.

In Italy, the problem wasn't so much a lack of equipment as it was the speed with which the virus spread. Too many patients too quickly, overwhelming Italy's capacity to handle the escalation.

That is the phase we are entering. As always, Trump ordering GM to manufacture ventilators comes not proactively but reactively in an attempt to make up for lost time. Lost time due to his inaction during the weeks when we had a chance to plan for the inevitable outbreak the experts surrounding him told him was coming.
Sorry, but your conclusion does not necessarily follow from you stup.....arguments.

Trump this....trump that.....

I can see that TDS is also a pandemic in this nation.
 

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Soooooo, you're admitting that socialized medicine sucks. Good for you!
We don't HAVE socialized medicine you dope.

This is exactly what happened in Italy...and it wasn't "socialized medicine" that caused it
 

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Soooooo, you're admitting that socialized medicine sucks. Good for you!
We don't HAVE socialized medicine you dope.

This is exactly what happened in Italy...and it wasn't "socialized medicine" that caused it
no one said we did you idiot,,,

sorry to say but the IQ in this discussion just went a little lower with the lesh entering into it,,,
 

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Tell us again how we need to be like Italy......
You know, usually I just ignore the ignorant drivel that dribbles outta yer face, but every now and then you say something that just makes me stop in awe and wonder at just how fuckin' dumb you really are. The quoted post is one of those times.

Seriously, is that what you got from the OP?

Or did you just not read anything but the title?
You always get butthurt when my posts fly over your pointy head.
 

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Henry Ford Health letter on rationing ventilators is for 'worst-case scenario'

"Henry Ford Health officials say a letter circulating on social media outlines some of the health system's emergency response protocols for the "worst-case scenario."

The letter, addressed to patients, families, and the community, describes how patients would be prioritized if the health system runs out of ventilators and ICU beds.

"Because of shortages, we will need to be careful with resources," the letter read. "Patients who have the best chance of getting better are our first priority. Patients will be evaluated for the best plan for care and dying patients will be provided comfort care (to include treatment for pain control and other comfort measures)."
......................................................................................................................................
A lottery for ventilators? Hospitals prepare for ethical conundrums

"When a group of doctors, ethicists and religious leaders got together to write New York’s 2015 ethical guidelines for allocating ventilators in a pandemic, they coalesced around a clear principle: Scarce resources should go to the person most likely to be saved. But they had to contemplate another, tougher, situation: What if a number of patients were equally likely to benefit?

In that case, they decided, a lottery might be the fairest option.

The specter of such extreme rationing – a large number of critically ill patients confronting a finite supply of life-saving machinery – was grim but theoretical when debated by the philosophically minded panel. Now, as New York and other states gird for the possibility of a shortage of ventilators, that ethics roadmap could come actually into practice."
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A number of US cities are on the cusp of being Italy. Shortages of all sorts of medical supplies are being experienced around the country.

In Italy, the problem wasn't so much a lack of equipment as it was the speed with which the virus spread. Too many patients too quickly, overwhelming Italy's capacity to handle the escalation.

That is the phase we are entering. As always, Trump ordering GM to manufacture ventilators comes not proactively but reactively in an attempt to make up for lost time. Lost time due to his inaction during the weeks when we had a chance to plan for the inevitable outbreak the experts surrounding him told him was coming.

wanna bet the free market steps up and starts making them???

OH wait,,they already are,,,
It ain’t the free market baby, it’s the heavy hand of the federal government.

Honey, only with gm after they had stated they would then they wouldn’t.
How does that change anything?

For starters, it isn’t even “the free market” since these ventilators are being purchased with government funds. Second, if the manufacturers and market were so good at providing ventilators, it wouldn’t matter if GM changed their mind, as there would be someone else to fill their place.

Finally, if we had been hit as hard and as quickly as Italy had, we would have been in the exact same position of having to ration care, social medicine or not.

the more you talk the dumber you look,,,

tell me can you show us where people in italy are stepping up and making them???
EXCLUSIVE-Ferrari and Fiat look at helping Italy make ventilators in coronavirus crisis
sure
Any more questions?
 

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I love the undereducated. You do realize that first of all with modern transportation it was probably way to late by the time we heard one syllable about the virus?
Incorrect. Because along with modern transportation, we have modern medicine. There is very little we can’t do. It just takes competence

You do realize that we had idiots that were yelling that it was wrong of him to shutdown travel when he did?
He never shut down travel. Merely put some restrictions on some people. Americans continued to travel to and from China, but more importantly, to and from many other affected regions in the world which is why ultimately it was not an effective strategy by itself.

Do you realize that there were people that have criticized him for years because they felt he had too much power and was trying to grab more. In fact you come to mind as one of those complaining about that all the time
We give the president power to act in times of emergency. Real emergencies. Not fake emergencies. When Trump grabs power for his own personal, political means, he weakens the trust we place in the executive to act in times like this.
Not true??? You don't think a person can travel from China to some part of the U.S. in less then two days? You think modern medicine can find the corona virus without even knowing what to look for? Man I have to give you credit for not understanding medicine or modern travel.
I have to give you undereducated credit. You bitch because he tries to curtail travel, you bitch because you claim he tries to grab power. Then suddenly you blame him for not throwing out the constitution and acting like he is the emperor. He didn't shutdown all travel. Let no one in. He did not tell congress to take a hike.
Man you kids just go which ever way the wind blows.
 

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Henry Ford Health letter on rationing ventilators is for 'worst-case scenario'

"Henry Ford Health officials say a letter circulating on social media outlines some of the health system's emergency response protocols for the "worst-case scenario."

The letter, addressed to patients, families, and the community, describes how patients would be prioritized if the health system runs out of ventilators and ICU beds.

"Because of shortages, we will need to be careful with resources," the letter read. "Patients who have the best chance of getting better are our first priority. Patients will be evaluated for the best plan for care and dying patients will be provided comfort care (to include treatment for pain control and other comfort measures)."
......................................................................................................................................
A lottery for ventilators? Hospitals prepare for ethical conundrums

"When a group of doctors, ethicists and religious leaders got together to write New York’s 2015 ethical guidelines for allocating ventilators in a pandemic, they coalesced around a clear principle: Scarce resources should go to the person most likely to be saved. But they had to contemplate another, tougher, situation: What if a number of patients were equally likely to benefit?

In that case, they decided, a lottery might be the fairest option.

The specter of such extreme rationing – a large number of critically ill patients confronting a finite supply of life-saving machinery – was grim but theoretical when debated by the philosophically minded panel. Now, as New York and other states gird for the possibility of a shortage of ventilators, that ethics roadmap could come actually into practice."
.........................................................................................................................................
A number of US cities are on the cusp of being Italy. Shortages of all sorts of medical supplies are being experienced around the country.

In Italy, the problem wasn't so much a lack of equipment as it was the speed with which the virus spread. Too many patients too quickly, overwhelming Italy's capacity to handle the escalation.

That is the phase we are entering. As always, Trump ordering GM to manufacture ventilators comes not proactively but reactively in an attempt to make up for lost time. Lost time due to his inaction during the weeks when we had a chance to plan for the inevitable outbreak the experts surrounding him told him was coming.

wanna bet the free market steps up and starts making them???

OH wait,,they already are,,,
It ain’t the free market baby, it’s the heavy hand of the federal government.

Honey, only with gm after they had stated they would then they wouldn’t.
How does that change anything?

For starters, it isn’t even “the free market” since these ventilators are being purchased with government funds. Second, if the manufacturers and market were so good at providing ventilators, it wouldn’t matter if GM changed their mind, as there would be someone else to fill their place.

Finally, if we had been hit as hard and as quickly as Italy had, we would have been in the exact same position of having to ration care, social medicine or not.

the more you talk the dumber you look,,,

tell me can you show us where people in italy are stepping up and making them???
EXCLUSIVE-Ferrari and Fiat look at helping Italy make ventilators in coronavirus crisis
sure
Any more questions?
those are the exact people I was talking about in a later comment,,,
 

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Tell us again how we need to be like Italy......
You know, usually I just ignore the ignorant drivel that dribbles outta yer face, but every now and then you say something that just makes me stop in awe and wonder at just how fuckin' dumb you really are. The quoted post is one of those times.

Seriously, is that what you got from the OP?

Or did you just not read anything but the title?
You always get butthurt when my posts fly over your pointy head.
Yeah, you go right on thinkin' that, kiddo. No skin offa my ass.
 

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Tell us again how we need to be like Italy......
You know, usually I just ignore the ignorant drivel that dribbles outta yer face, but every now and then you say something that just makes me stop in awe and wonder at just how fuckin' dumb you really are. The quoted post is one of those times.

Seriously, is that what you got from the OP?

Or did you just not read anything but the title?
You always get butthurt when my posts fly over your pointy head.
Yeah, you go right on thinkin' that, kiddo. No skin offa my ass.
I don’t need your permission to post reality, sport.
 

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Tell us again how we need to be like Italy......
You know, usually I just ignore the ignorant drivel that dribbles outta yer face, but every now and then you say something that just makes me stop in awe and wonder at just how fuckin' dumb you really are. The quoted post is one of those times.

Seriously, is that what you got from the OP?

Or did you just not read anything but the title?
You always get butthurt when my posts fly over your pointy head.
Yeah, you go right on thinkin' that, kiddo. No skin offa my ass.
I don’t need your permission to post reality, sport.
No, but you do need some connection to actual reality first.

Lmao!!

"Reality", the kid says!!


Lololololololol!!!

Thanks, I needed a laugh. Serious times you know.
 

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Soooooo, you're admitting that socialized medicine sucks. Good for you!
We don't HAVE socialized medicine you dope.

This is exactly what happened in Italy...and it wasn't "socialized medicine" that caused it
no one said we did you idiot,,,

sorry to say but the IQ in this discussion just went a little lower with the lesh entering into it,,,
You fucking moron.

You assholes were claiming that the fact that Italy had to ration ventilators...was the result of socialized medicine.

Well we have that same shortage and gee...we don't have socialized medicine

So I guess you fucks were full of shit huh?
 

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Soooooo, you're admitting that socialized medicine sucks. Good for you!
We don't HAVE socialized medicine you dope.

This is exactly what happened in Italy...and it wasn't "socialized medicine" that caused it
no one said we did you idiot,,,

sorry to say but the IQ in this discussion just went a little lower with the lesh entering into it,,,
You fucking moron.

You assholes were claiming that the fact that Italy had to ration ventilators...was the result of socialized medicine.

Well we have that same shortage and gee...we don't have socialized medicine

So I guess you fucks were full of shit huh?
What’s the death rate for each country?
 

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Soooooo, you're admitting that socialized medicine sucks. Good for you!
We don't HAVE socialized medicine you dope.

This is exactly what happened in Italy...and it wasn't "socialized medicine" that caused it
no one said we did you idiot,,,

sorry to say but the IQ in this discussion just went a little lower with the lesh entering into it,,,
You fucking moron.

You assholes were claiming that the fact that Italy had to ration ventilators...was the result of socialized medicine.

Well we have that same shortage and gee...we don't have socialized medicine

So I guess you fucks were full of shit huh?
I never said anything of the kind asshole,,,and no one said we have socialist healthcare here,,,


you should really read up on the conversation first,,, because your input confirmed youre just another twit suffering from TDS
 

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