Reaffirming the Almighty United States Constitution

[$ecular#eckler]

The US Constitution is fine. It is the politicians, on both sides of the aisle, that have ignored it too often that are the problem.

If “they are not following the Constitution,” that means the checks and balances do not work, because the checks and balances are supposed to prevent that, as well. The checks and balances do not work, and it is probably because the three-part separation theory is improperly deployed. The three-part separation theory is probably a valid theory, but if there is any error in its deployment, then the distribution of government powers is probably not balanced, and the checks on power are probably not in accordance with expectations. It is very unlikely that the checks and balances are going to work correctly if the separation of government is not properly constructed.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

It was written and enacted by people. People are human and less than perfect. That doesn't mean it requires any tampering with. But if it did need changing the methods for doing so are clearly described.

The only way to correctly separate the government and coordinate the balance of power is by a complete reordering of the three-level charter system. Amendments will not suffice, because the separation of the government entities is hard wired to the outline of the charter; and the checks on power and the coordination of the three levels has to be constructed without compromise with any remnants of the flawed system. Furthermore, government charters are best to be considered similar to computer programs, and that means that they have to be correctly formatted and arranged in an efficient order for them to work correctly. As mentioned in the previous article, if there is any error in the demarcation of the balance of power, then the checks on power are adversely affected. If there is not a science to it, then there is a notable hierarchy art to it. The sophistication of hierarchy formatting is a recent development in document technology. Hyper-Text Markup Language is what has been needed to construct the cascading hierarchical directive systems that government charters are, and HTML was just released a decade or two ago, and its implementation for solving document and knowledge management problems is just beginning to be realized. And this publication is the premier introduction to such utility for organizing reliable government charters.

 

[9thIDdoc]

It was written and enacted by people. People are human and less than perfect. That doesn't mean it requires any tampering with. But if it did need changing the methods for doing so are clearly described.

The only way to correctly separate the government and coordinate the balance of power is by a complete reordering of the three-level charter system. Amendments will not suffice, because the separation of the government entities is hard wired to the outline of the charter; and the checks on power and the coordination of the three levels has to be constructed without compromise with any remnants of the flawed system. Furthermore, government charters are best to be considered similar to computer programs, and that means that they have to be correctly formatted and arranged in an efficient order for them to work correctly. As mentioned in the previous article, if there is any error in the demarcation of the balance of power, then the checks on power are adversely affected. If there is not a science to it, then there is a notable hierarchy art to it. The sophistication of hierarchy formatting is a recent development in document technology. Hyper-Text Markup Language is what has been needed to construct the cascading hierarchical directive systems that government charters are, and HTML was just released a decade or two ago, and its implementation for solving document and knowledge management problems is just beginning to be realized. And this publication is the premier introduction to such utility for organizing reliable government charters.

Not that complicated. If the government is not functioning properly-and many believe it isn't-that is certainly not a clear indication that there is anything wrong with the Constitution or the framework for government our forefathers envisioned. The Constitution is the law by which government is charged with functioning. But the Constitution cannot enforce itself. When parts of the governments collude rather than check and balance they must be corrected by the People if necessary. Governments go rogue. Always have; always will if allowed to. Some people break the law. Some governments ignore the law they are intended to follow. In neither case is it always because of some fault in the law. When the violation is intentional trying to change the law helps nothing.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

It was written and enacted by people. People are human and less than perfect. That doesn't mean it requires any tampering with. But if it did need changing the methods for doing so are clearly described.

The only way to correctly separate the government and coordinate the balance of power is by a complete reordering of the three-level charter system. Amendments will not suffice, because the separation of the government entities is hard wired to the outline of the charter; and the checks on power and the coordination of the three levels has to be constructed without compromise with any remnants of the flawed system. Furthermore, government charters are best to be considered similar to computer programs, and that means that they have to be correctly formatted and arranged in an efficient order for them to work correctly. As mentioned in the previous article, if there is any error in the demarcation of the balance of power, then the checks on power are adversely affected. If there is not a science to it, then there is a notable hierarchy art to it. The sophistication of hierarchy formatting is a recent development in document technology. Hyper-Text Markup Language is what has been needed to construct the cascading hierarchical directive systems that government charters are, and HTML was just released a decade or two ago, and its implementation for solving document and knowledge management problems is just beginning to be realized. And this publication is the premier introduction to such utility for organizing reliable government charters.

Not that complicated. If the government is not functioning properly-and many believe it isn't-that is certainly not a clear indication that there is anything wrong with the Constitution or the framework for government our forefathers envisioned. The Constitution is the law by which government is charged with functioning. But the Constitution cannot enforce itself. When parts of the governments collude rather than check and balance they must be corrected by the People if necessary.

It is just absurd to believe that there is a vast bipartisan conspiracy of acquiescence - somebody would be inclined to spill the beans.

So, how are people supposed to fix things? That is the subject of this discussion, but everybody derails, because they do not know what to do.

Governments go rogue. Always have; always will if allowed to. Some people break the law. Some governments ignore the law they are intended to follow. In neither case is it always because of some fault in the law. When the violation is intentional trying to change the law helps nothing.

The problem is the separation of the government is incomplete. You cannot comprehend that, because you are jealous.

 

[danielpalos]

Our welfare clause is General. What is not covered by it?

 

[9thIDdoc]

It was written and enacted by people. People are human and less than perfect. That doesn't mean it requires any tampering with. But if it did need changing the methods for doing so are clearly described.

The only way to correctly separate the government and coordinate the balance of power is by a complete reordering of the three-level charter system. Amendments will not suffice, because the separation of the government entities is hard wired to the outline of the charter; and the checks on power and the coordination of the three levels has to be constructed without compromise with any remnants of the flawed system. Furthermore, government charters are best to be considered similar to computer programs, and that means that they have to be correctly formatted and arranged in an efficient order for them to work correctly. As mentioned in the previous article, if there is any error in the demarcation of the balance of power, then the checks on power are adversely affected. If there is not a science to it, then there is a notable hierarchy art to it. The sophistication of hierarchy formatting is a recent development in document technology. Hyper-Text Markup Language is what has been needed to construct the cascading hierarchical directive systems that government charters are, and HTML was just released a decade or two ago, and its implementation for solving document and knowledge management problems is just beginning to be realized. And this publication is the premier introduction to such utility for organizing reliable government charters.

Not that complicated. If the government is not functioning properly-and many believe it isn't-that is certainly not a clear indication that there is anything wrong with the Constitution or the framework for government our forefathers envisioned. The Constitution is the law by which government is charged with functioning. But the Constitution cannot enforce itself. When parts of the governments collude rather than check and balance they must be corrected by the People if necessary.

It is just absurd to believe that there is a vast bipartisan conspiracy of acquiescence - somebody would be inclined to spill the beans.

So, how are people supposed to fix things? That is the subject of this discussion, but everybody derails, because they do not know what to do.

Governments go rogue. Always have; always will if allowed to. Some people break the law. Some governments ignore the law they are intended to follow. In neither case is it always because of some fault in the law. When the violation is intentional trying to change the law helps nothing.

The problem is the separation of the government is incomplete. You cannot comprehend that, because you are jealous.

What is absurd is thinking government is going to fix itself because you tell it to. Or that the government is going stand around and wait while you "fix" it to your own preferences. What exactly do you think needs to be done to fix anything that cannot be done by the amendment process dictated by the Constitution? The Constitution is the one and only framework for American government and neither you nor the government can be allowed to "work around" it. You can not fix the Constitution by violating it.

The problem is the separation of the government is incomplete. You cannot comprehend that, because you are jealous.

You cannot seem to comprehend that nobody else agrees that that is the problem or that you have the first clue how to fix it even if it was.
You seem to embody the old saying that "If you can't impress with intellect dazzle them with bullshit."

 

[Stryder50]

We need a revolution here in the US. One to overthrow the Socialists and reaffirm the Constitution.

There are plenty of people who are inclined to agree with Flash - probably in the tens of millions of American citizens.

. . . And nobody has plan as to how to do it. Nobody has the gumption to sit down and contemplate how to do it, and then write it out into its steps so the rest of the millions of Americans can help in the endeavor.

How are you going to do it?

Starts at the bottom/grassroots in you own and local community being ACTIVE in the political party of your choice, supporting it's candidates, and agendas, getting out an knocking on doors, maybe even filing for local offices and running for such.

If one reads anything from our Founders, they will see that over and over again they claimed this Constitution and form of government would only work if enough of the citizens are informed, involved and active.

Takes more than talk. YOU have also got to DO SOMETHING!

 

[Stryder50]

BTW, read and re-read the Constitution.


For example, many fail to notice that per Article I Section 9.; the import of persons/slaves would be prohibited after 1808.

Meanwhile the "know nothing' leftist-loonies rail about how the USA was built upon and for slavery.

Just one of many examples.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

How are you going to do it?

Starts at the bottom/grassroots in you own and local community being ACTIVE in the political party of your choice, supporting it's candidates, and agendas, getting out an knocking on doors, maybe even filing for local offices and running for such.

I'm a revolutionary, and I am going to lead by publishing a pamphlet that explains the primary problem with the deployment of the three-part separation theory, and a solution with a constitutional convention series organizational plan.

If one reads anything from our Founders, they will see that over and over again they claimed this Constitution and form of government would only work if enough of the citizens are informed, involved and active.

I have read plenty of information from the founding, and never encountered anything like that. What I have encountered is some blasphemy from the founders.

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
- John Adams, Letter to the Massachusetts Militia; October 11, 1798

I am certainly not an advocate for frequent and untried changes in laws and constitutions. I think moderate imperfections had better be borne with; because, when once known, we accommodate ourselves to them, and find practical means of correcting their ill effects. But I know also, that laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths disclosed, and manners and opinions change with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also, and keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy, as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.
― Thomas Jefferson, 1816

Takes more than talk. YOU have also got to DO SOMETHING!

I can guarantee you that I am doing more than anyone else.

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[$ecular#eckler]

BTW, read and re-read the Constitution.


For example, many fail to notice that per Article I Section 9.; the import of persons/slaves would be prohibited after 1808.

I am very much aware of that

Meanwhile the "know nothing' leftist-loonies rail about how the USA was built upon and for slavery.

Just one of many examples.

How about you reading Article I Section 5. and explain how that works?
Bet you never noticed how absurd that one is.
There is just no way modern sophisticated people would allow the legislature to make their own rules, and judge their elections.

Article I. Section 5.

This section is what leads to the political chaos. The concepts described should be secured with definite details that are enforced by the judiciary, and any lawyer should be able to recognize the tremendous inadequacies here. Let's go through it. Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections...

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[Flash]

What we know is that the people that took an oath to uphold the Constitution were lying.

Either lying or just plain not understanding the Constitution.

Of course I think we all know that Liberals don't know any more about the Constitution than they know about Economics, History, Biology, Climate Science or Ethics.

 

[Stryder50]

BTW, read and re-read the Constitution.


For example, many fail to notice that per Article I Section 9.; the import of persons/slaves would be prohibited after 1808.

I am very much aware of that

Meanwhile the "know nothing' leftist-loonies rail about how the USA was built upon and for slavery.

Just one of many examples.

How about you reading Article I Section 5. and explain how that works?
Bet you never noticed how absurd that one is.
There is just no way modern sophisticated people would allow the legislature to make their own rules, and judge their elections.

Article I. Section 5.

This section is what leads to the political chaos. The concepts described should be secured with definite details that are enforced by the judiciary, and any lawyer should be able to recognize the tremendous inadequacies here. Let's go through it. Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections...

www.usmessageboard.com

I wasn't active or a member of USMB back then, only joined a few months ago.
I don't see anything brilliant in this thread of yours and am inclined to think you failed to understand Article I Section 5. For example, this is about procedural methods, not legal constraints of privileges/exclusions.
Also, recall this was written about 230+ years ago and hindsight, with benefit of newer technologies and standards, isn't the same as correct historical perspective of the times when something was done or written.
If I get the time, I might go to your thread and be more specific, but for now, too many real world tasks and you don't appear to be worthy of the effort and energy.

 

[Stryder50]

How are you going to do it?

Starts at the bottom/grassroots in you own and local community being ACTIVE in the political party of your choice, supporting it's candidates, and agendas, getting out an knocking on doors, maybe even filing for local offices and running for such.

I'm a revolutionary, and I am going to lead by publishing a pamphlet that explains the primary problem with the deployment of the three-part separation theory, and a solution with a constitutional convention series organizational plan.

If one reads anything from our Founders, they will see that over and over again they claimed this Constitution and form of government would only work if enough of the citizens are informed, involved and active.

I have read plenty of information from the founding, and never encountered anything like that. What I have encountered is some blasphemy from the founders.

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
- John Adams, Letter to the Massachusetts Militia; October 11, 1798

I am certainly not an advocate for frequent and untried changes in laws and constitutions. I think moderate imperfections had better be borne with; because, when once known, we accommodate ourselves to them, and find practical means of correcting their ill effects. But I know also, that laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths disclosed, and manners and opinions change with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also, and keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy, as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.
― Thomas Jefferson, 1816

Takes more than talk. YOU have also got to DO SOMETHING!

I can guarantee you that I am doing more than anyone else.

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I was paraphrasing admittedly, but as examples;
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Alexander Hamilton: “Real liberty is neither found in despotism or the extremes of democracy, but in moderate governments.”
Thomas Jefferson: “The way to have good and safe government is not to trust it all to one, but to divide it among the many. . . . What has destroyed liberty and the rights of man in every government which has ever existed under the sun? The generalizing and concentrating all cares and powers into one body.”
George Mason: “The right of the people to participate in the legislature is the best security of liberty, and the foundation of all free government; for this purpose elections ought to be free and frequent.” Thomas Jefferson: “The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.”
James Iredell: “The only real security of liberty in any country is the jealousy and circumspection of the people themselves. Let them be watchful over their rulers.”
Thomas Jefferson: “What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that [the] people preserve the spirit of resistance?”
Thomas Jefferson: “To preserve [our] independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt.”
...
James Madison: “Liberty may be endangered by the abuses of liberty as well as by the abuses of power.”
Samuel Adams: “Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. He therefore is the truest friend to the liberty of his country who tries most to promote its virtue, and who, so far as his power and influence extend, will not suffer a man to be chosen into any office of power and trust who is not a wise and virtuous man.”
Benjamin Franklin: “Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.”
Thomas Jefferson: “Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are . . . the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath?”
John Adams: “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
Alexander Hamilton: “An inviolable respect for the Constitution and laws . . . is the vital principle, the sustaining energy, of a free government.”
Thomas Jefferson: “Educate and inform the whole mass of the people. Enable them to see that it is their interest to preserve peace and order, and they will preserve them. . . . [The people] are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.”
Thomas Jefferson: “If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, . . . it expects what never was and never will be.”
James Madison: “It is universally admitted that a well-instructed people alone can be permanently a free people.”
George Washington: “The preservation of the sacred fire of liberty . . . [is] staked on the experiment entrusted to the hands of the American people.”
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[$ecular#eckler]

If I get the time, I might go to your thread and be more specific, but for now, too many real world tasks and you don't appear to be worthy of the effort and energy.

Listen, pal. If all you can do is paraphrase ideas that you cannot prove specifically, and then all you can do is cut and paste a list by someone else that you obviously do not understand, then it is you who is not worthy of my attention.

Benjamin Franklin: “Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.”

 

[9thIDdoc]

If I get the time, I might go to your thread and be more specific, but for now, too many real world tasks and you don't appear to be worthy of the effort and energy.

Listen, pal. If all you can do is paraphrase ideas that you cannot prove specifically, and then all you can do is cut and paste a list by someone else that you obviously do not understand, then it is you who is not worthy of my attention.

Benjamin Franklin: “Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.”

This OP was not worthy of anybody's attention.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

This is the most important discussion on the forum.

 

[Stryder50]

If I get the time, I might go to your thread and be more specific, but for now, too many real world tasks and you don't appear to be worthy of the effort and energy.

Listen, pal. If all you can do is paraphrase ideas that you cannot prove specifically, and then all you can do is cut and paste a list by someone else that you obviously do not understand, then it is you who is not worthy of my attention.

Benjamin Franklin: “Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.”

This OP was not worthy of anybody's attention.

At over a thousand views versus @115 posts, a ratio of at least 10 to one, some others than those posting here do show a possible interest.

This thread and OP reflects something all too common in our nation, where many want to re-write the Constitution to increase their entitlements and hand-outs, i.e. the wealth takers looking for more legitimate looting from the wealth makers.

Considering what little action and expansion there has been at the OP's website, likely he/she/it isn't getting much traction. That's been a typical response from many quarters in our nation on the subject of another "constitutional convention" ~ a lack of interest and more importantly need.

The topic/subject isn't without interest and some attention from some parts of our nation, but not sure this thread has substantially addressed it nor has much other merit.

 

[Stryder50]

If I get the time, I might go to your thread and be more specific, but for now, too many real world tasks and you don't appear to be worthy of the effort and energy.

Listen, pal. If all you can do is paraphrase ideas that you cannot prove specifically, and then all you can do is cut and paste a list by someone else that you obviously do not understand, then it is you who is not worthy of my attention.

Benjamin Franklin: “Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.”

"Edit" function expired before I could go back and color highlight the parts of those quotes that would "prove specifically" and more importantly conceptually what I'd said.

As for involvement in something to make it happen, I'm active in my local Republican Party, am a Precinct Committee Officer, active on the Outreach and Events committees and have known, worked for, and supported many candidates, past and current.
I'm also active in a couple other community organizations that are active in promoting economic growth and recovery from the excessive shut-downs imposed by tyrannical local/state governments.

So I'm doing more than just a bogus and obscure website and some huffery and puffery ...

 

[$ecular#eckler]

At over a thousand views versus @115 posts, a ratio of at least 10 to one, some others than those posting here do show a possible interest.

This thread and OP reflects something all too common in our nation, where many want to re-write the Constitution to increase their entitlements and hand-outs, i.e. the wealth takers looking for more legitimate looting from the wealth makers.

I am the only person who wants to reorder the Constitution - you won't find anything else close.

My ambition is to guarantee a better separation of government, more reliable checks and balance of power, and better deliberation of social issues.

I have no ambition for guaranteeing entitlements.

Considering what little action and expansion there has been at the OP's website, likely he/she/it isn't getting much traction. That's been a typical response from many quarters in our nation on the subject of another "constitutional convention" ~ a lack of interest and more importantly need.

The topic/subject isn't without interest and some attention from some parts of our nation, but not sure this thread has substantially addressed it nor has much other merit.

I'm trying to figure out what is going to get it going.

 

[Flash]

John Adams: “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

That is the problem. Too many people turn away from God and our country is going to hell in a hand basket.

No wonder the Libtards ignore the Constitution. John Adams saw it coming.