Reaffirming the Almighty United States Constitution

[Pellinore]

The goal is not to change the Constitution. The goal is to have a government that abides by it as it is supposed to.

I agree with that, with the caveat that the Constitution was designed to be changed when needed, which we have done seventeen times since the Bill of Rights.

But yeah, it would be nice if we demanded that everyone treat it as the supreme law of the land that it, y'know, is.

 

[WinterBorn]

We have accepted that politicians take "donations" for their political campaigns. Who here is naive enough to think those donations are purely altruistic and that nothing is expected in return.

We have accepted that politicins lie. It has become so common place as to not even raise an eyebrow from their constituents.

We have accepted that our politicians are, first and foremost, a self-serving lot. They focus on getting reelected before the even think about what is best for the nation. And they serve those who paid to put them in office.

And now we would expect them to stand against all that and fight to support the US Constitution? Good luck with that.

 

[progressive hunter]

We have accepted that politicians take "donations" for their political campaigns. Who here is naive enough to think those donations are purely altruistic and that nothing is expected in return.

We have accepted that politicins lie. It has become so common place as to not even raise an eyebrow from their constituents.

We have accepted that our politicians are, first and foremost, a self-serving lot. They focus on getting reelected before the even think about what is best for the nation. And they serve those who paid to put them in office.

And now we would expect them to stand against all that and fight to support the US Constitution? Good luck with that.

to be clear I have never accepted it and never voted for a dem or repube at the fed level,, EVER,,

not to mention speak out against them always,,

 

[danielpalos]

One thing I have long thought of as a good step would be to pass an Amendment that would prohibit winner-takes-all Electoral College votes. Originally, the idea was closer to the way Maine and Nebraska allocate their EC votes -- namely, the votes go the way each district voted, with the remaining 2 being awarded to the overall state winner. It was Thomas Jefferson who came up with the winner-take-all scheme in order to give Virginia more proportional power, and everyone else then parroted it to keep up.

Establishing proportional allocation would give a voice to a shocking amount of voters (California Republicans, for example, or Texas Democrats) whose votes are perpetually swept away, eliminate the dominance of swing states, and more closely represent the people as originally designed.

Otherwise, I'd listen to Supreme Court reform, and enshrining Marbury vs. Madison as an Amendment rather than a replaceable ruling. I can't imagine having a full-fledged Constitutional Convention these days, allowing our dysfunctional Congress the possibility of rewriting literally every word; it would be apocalypse-level chaos.

The Socialists would jump on a Constitutional Convention like white on rice. They would do away with anything approaching individual rights and replace them with Socialist collective rights.

Right wingers are worse. Y'all don't care about the law and have no problem being illegal to the law, but still want to be taken seriously regarding less fortunate "illegals".

 

[P F Tinmore]

SL Chartering System - US4CC

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I didnt diss you,, just pointed out that would be a restoration not a revolution,,

am I wrong about that??

You senselessly dissed me in the past with thumbs down reactions to my campaign for a constitutional convention, and here you are claiming to be working on a path to restoring the Constitution, but unwilling to help out those who want to do the same.
And then, you may have noticed, that there are plenty of people who are getting it all mixed up, and think that restoring the constitution is the same as reordering it - so . . .

I'm going to argue that either way requires the same rules for organizing people to do it!

your feelings arent my problem,, and I am against a CC without any clarification of what the goal is,,

what I am for is a restoration to constitutional limited government that doesnt require a CC,,,

and before you complain about others disliking your opinion you shouldnt troll their comments and tag every comment with dislikes like you did to me and others a few weeks ago,,,

Don't touch the constitution. It will never be as good as it is now.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

The goal is not to change the Constitution. The goal is to have a government that abides by it as it is supposed to.

How do we do that?

 

[$ecular#eckler]

it starts locally and using states rights to push back against fed over reach,,

Decent idea, how do you get it going - just keep saying it and then wait for the politicians to do it???

it can only come from the people forcing the politicians to do it,, or run for office themselves,,

. . . And you made it sound like you had a plan. You have years of developing the idea, and here you are back to square one, "the people forcing the politicians to do it."

That is essentially what I wrote, ". . . just keep saying it and then wait for the politicians to do it."

 

[$ecular#eckler]

thats a restoration not a revolution,, I'm in,,

You are dependent on someone else figuring out how to do it.

how would you know what I'm doing??

hate to break it to you but I started yrs ago,,

You are a joke

 

[progressive hunter]

it starts locally and using states rights to push back against fed over reach,,

Decent idea, how do you get it going - just keep saying it and then wait for the politicians to do it???

it can only come from the people forcing the politicians to do it,, or run for office themselves,,

. . . And you made it sound like you had a plan. You have years of developing the idea, and here you are back to square one, "the people forcing the politicians to do it."

That is essentially what I wrote, ". . . just keep saying it and then wait for the politicians to do it."

I said more than that,, and your idea is creating a new constitution they wont follow

 

[progressive hunter]

thats a restoration not a revolution,, I'm in,,

You are dependent on someone else figuring out how to do it.

how would you know what I'm doing??

hate to break it to you but I started yrs ago,,

You are a joke

youre projecting

 

[Flash]

SL Chartering System - US4CC

US4CC

www.us4cc.info

I didnt diss you,, just pointed out that would be a restoration not a revolution,,

am I wrong about that??

You senselessly dissed me in the past with thumbs down reactions to my campaign for a constitutional convention, and here you are claiming to be working on a path to restoring the Constitution, but unwilling to help out those who want to do the same.
And then, you may have noticed, that there are plenty of people who are getting it all mixed up, and think that restoring the constitution is the same as reordering it - so . . .

I'm going to argue that either way requires the same rules for organizing people to do it!

your feelings arent my problem,, and I am against a CC without any clarification of what the goal is,,

what I am for is a restoration to constitutional limited government that doesnt require a CC,,,

and before you complain about others disliking your opinion you shouldnt troll their comments and tag every comment with dislikes like you did to me and others a few weeks ago,,,

Don't touch the constitution. It will never be as good as it is now.

No matter how good the Constitution is if it is ignored by the Left Wing assholes that want to turn the US into a Socialist shithole then we have a serious problem

 

[$ecular#eckler]

Don't touch the constitution. It will never be as good as it is now.

No matter how good the Constitution is if it is ignored by the Left Wing assholes that want to turn the US into a Socialist shithole then we have a serious problem

The checks and balances are supposed to prevent that problem, or the problems that lead to that. The problem that nobody, but I, is willing to describe, is that the checks and balances do not work as perceived.

The Constitution was very simple and pliable to facilitate the build-up of an expandable government that could not be properly envisioned and composed under the constraints of the era of 1780’s technology. And so, the authors of the Federalist Papers had to disguise their critiques of the Constitution, because they could not describe the obvious problems as, “open-ends,” “faults,” “weaknesses,” or “inadequacies,” because then they would have been obligated to correct the inadequacies before the people would be properly assured of the charter’s quality.

If the “checks and balances” worked, then we would not endure corruption and flawed policy, because that is what the “checks and balances” are supposed to prevent. If it is because, “they are not following the Constitution,” that means the checks and balances do not work, because the checks and balances are supposed to prevent that, as well. The checks and balances do not work, and it is probably because the three-part separation theory is improperly deployed. The three-part separation theory is probably a valid theory, but if there is any error in its deployment, then the distribution of government powers is probably not balanced, and the checks on power are probably not in accordance with expectations. It is very unlikely that the checks and balances are going to work correctly if the separation of government is not properly constructed.

The "construction," is the subdivisioning of the branches, and they are supposed to be involved in the checks on power; but it was never done correctly, because of the lack of information about a robust government, and the lack of tools for organizing the charter to accomodate the updating to the charter as the government was expanded.

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[Flash]

Don't touch the constitution. It will never be as good as it is now.

No matter how good the Constitution is if it is ignored by the Left Wing assholes that want to turn the US into a Socialist shithole then we have a serious problem

The checks and balances are supposed to prevent that problem, or the problems that lead to that. The problem that nobody, but me is willing to describe is that the checks and balances do not work as perceived.

If the “checks and balances” worked, then we would not endure corruption and flawed policy, because that is what the “checks and balances” are supposed to prevent. If it is because, “they are not following the Constitution,” that means the checks and balances do not work, because the checks and balances are supposed to prevent that, as well. The checks and balances do not work, and it is probably because the three-part separation theory is improperly deployed. The three-part separation theory is probably a valid theory, but if there is any error in its deployment, then the distribution of government powers is probably not balanced, and the checks on power are probably not in accordance with expectations. It is very unlikely that the checks and balances are going to work correctly if the separation of government is not properly constructed.

The "construction," is the subdivisioning of the branches, and they are supposed to be involved in the checks on power; but it was never done correctly, because of the lack of information about a robust government, and the lack of tools for organizing the charter to accomodate the updating to the charter as the government was expanded.

Legislature​	Executive​	Judicial​
Senate & House of Representatives​
Senate Committees Agriculture, Nutrition and Forestry Appropriations Armed Services Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs Budget Commerce, Science and Transportation Energy and Natural Resources Ethics (Select) Environment and Public Works Finance Foreign Relations Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Indian Affairs Intelligence (Select) International Narcotics Control (Special) Judiciary Rules and Administration Small Business and Entrepreneurship Veterans' Affairs House Committees Agriculture Appropriations Armed Services Budget Education and Labor Energy and Commerce Ethics Financial Services Foreign Affairs Homeland Security House Administration Judiciary Natural Resources Oversight and Reform Rules Science, Space, and Technology Small Business Transportation and Infrastructure Veterans’ Affairs Ways and Means Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Select Committee on the Climate Crisis Select Committee on the Modernization of Congress	Executive Office of the President (EOP): Office of Management and Budget (OMB) Office of the Director of National Intelligence Office of the United States Trade Representative (USTR) The White House Executive Agencies: Department of Agriculture (USDA) Agricultural Research Service Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service Economic Research Service Farm Service Agency Forest Service National Agricultural Library Natural Resources Conservation Service Rural Development Department of Commerce (DOC) Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA) Census Bureau International Trade Administration (ITA) NOAA Fisheries National Institute of Standards & Technology (NIST) National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) National Ocean Service National Technical Information Service (NTIS) National Telecommunications and Information Administration National Weather Service Patent and Trademark Office Department of Defense (DOD) Air Force Army Defense Logistics Agency (DLA) Marines National Security Agency (NSA) Navy Department of Education Educational Resources Information Center (ERIC) Institute of Education Sciences (IES) National Library of Education (NLE) Department of Energy (DOE) Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Los Alamos National Laboratory National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) Office of Science Pantex Plant Sandia National Laboratories Savannah River Site Southwestern Power Administration Y-12 National Security Complex Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) National Institutes of Health (NIH) National Library of Medicine (NLM) Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Citizenship and Immigration Services Coast Guard Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) Federal Law Enforcement Training Centers Intelligence Careers Secret Service Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) Government National Mortgage Association (Ginnie Mae) Office of Lead Hazard Control and Healthy Homes (OLHCHH) Public and Indian Housing (PIH) Department of the Interior (DOI) Bureau of Land Management Bureau of Reclamation Fish and Wildlife Service Indian Affairs National Park Service (NPS) Office of Surface Mining Reclamation and Enforcement (OSMRE) US Geological Survey (USGS) Department of Justice (DOJ) Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) Federal Bureau of Prisons Office of Justice Programs (OJP) US Marshals Service (USMS) Department of Labor (DOL) Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) Mine Safety and Health Administration (MSHA) Occupational Safety & Health Administration (OSHA) Department of State (DOS) Bureau of International Security and Nonproliferation (ISN) Department of State Library Department of Transportation (DOT) Bureau of Transportation Statistics Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Department of the Treasury Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau (TTB) Bureau of Engraving and Printing Bureau of the Fiscal Service Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) Internal Revenue Service (IRS) Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC) United States Mint Department of Veterans Affairs INDEPENDENT AGENCIES Broadcasting Board of Governors Radio Free Asia Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty Voice of America (VOA) Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Consumer Financial Protection Bureau Corporation for National & Community Service Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) Farm Credit Administration (FCA) Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) Federal Housing Finance Agency (FHFA) Federal Labor Relations Authority (FLRA) General Services Administration (GSA) Institute of Museum and Library Services (IMLS) National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) National Credit Union Administration (NCUA) National Endowment for the Arts (NEA) National Endowment for the Humanities (NEH) National Railroad Passenger Corporation (AMTRAK) National Science Foundation (NSF) Office of Government Ethics (OGE) Office of Personnel Management (OPM) Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC) Peace Corps Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation Selective Service System (SSS) Small Business Administration (SBA) Social Security Administration (SSA) Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA) Thrift Savings Plan (TSP) United States Agency for International Development (USAID) United States Postal Service (USPS) US Postal Inspection Service United States Trade and Development Agency BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, AND COMMITTEES Advisory Council on Historic Preservation (ACHP) American Battle Monuments Commission Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) Federal Communications Commission (FCC) Federal Election Commission (FEC) Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) Federal Laboratory Consortium for Technology Transfer (FLC) Federal Maritime Commission Federal Mine Safety and Health Review Commission (FMSHRC) Federal Retirement Thrift Investment Board (FRTIB) Federal Trade Commission (FTC) International Boundary & Water Commission Merit Systems Protection Board (MSPB) National Capital Planning Commission (NCPC) National Council on Disability National Indian Gaming Commission (NIGC) National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) National Mediation Board (NMB) National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) Nuclear Waste Technical Review Board (NWTRB) Occupational Safety & Health Review Commission (OSHRC) Postal Regulatory Commission (PRC) Railroad Retirement Board (RRB) Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) United States International Trade Commission (USITC) Interactive Tariff and Trade DataWeb (Import/export data) QUASI-OFFICIAL AGENCIES Smithsonian	Supreme Court Court Of Appeals District Courts Territorial Courts Court Of International Trade Court Of Federal Claims Court Of Appeals For The Armed Forces Tax Court Court Of Appeals For Veterans Claims Administrative Office Judicial Center Sentencing Commission

Correct. None of those "checks and balances" mean anything if the people doing the checking don't really care or have another agenda.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

their

Don't touch the constitution. It will never be as good as it is now.

No matter how good the Constitution is if it is ignored by the Left Wing assholes that want to turn the US into a Socialist shithole then we have a serious problem

The checks and balances are supposed to prevent that problem, or the problems that lead to that. The problem that nobody, but me is willing to describe is that the checks and balances do not work as perceived.

If the “checks and balances” worked, then we would not endure corruption and flawed policy, because that is what the “checks and balances” are supposed to prevent. If it is because, “they are not following the Constitution,” that means the checks and balances do not work, because the checks and balances are supposed to prevent that, as well. The checks and balances do not work, and it is probably because the three-part separation theory is improperly deployed. The three-part separation theory is probably a valid theory, but if there is any error in its deployment, then the distribution of government powers is probably not balanced, and the checks on power are probably not in accordance with expectations. It is very unlikely that the checks and balances are going to work correctly if the separation of government is not properly constructed.

The "construction," is the subdivisioning of the branches, and they are supposed to be involved in the checks on power; but it was never done correctly, because of the lack of information about a robust government, and the lack of tools for organizing the charter to accomodate the updating to the charter as the government was expanded.

Correct. None of those "checks and balances" mean anything if the people doing the checking don't really care or have another agenda.

You're just being dogmatic and not comprehending my perspective - the checks and balances do not work, because the separation of government is not correctly deployed. It is just absurd to believe that all of the hundreds of representatives, senators, and judiciary, are all conspired to ignore the checks on power.

Someone would smarten up and realize that they could become extremely popular and famous for revealing the truth. But no, you, and the rest of the peons, believe there is a vast bipartisan conspiracy to circumvent the constitution, yet proclaim that the other partisans are not following the constitution.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

I love the Constitution.
- Justice Barret, Swearing in address

 

[Flash]

their

Don't touch the constitution. It will never be as good as it is now.

No matter how good the Constitution is if it is ignored by the Left Wing assholes that want to turn the US into a Socialist shithole then we have a serious problem

The checks and balances are supposed to prevent that problem, or the problems that lead to that. The problem that nobody, but me is willing to describe is that the checks and balances do not work as perceived.

If the “checks and balances” worked, then we would not endure corruption and flawed policy, because that is what the “checks and balances” are supposed to prevent. If it is because, “they are not following the Constitution,” that means the checks and balances do not work, because the checks and balances are supposed to prevent that, as well. The checks and balances do not work, and it is probably because the three-part separation theory is improperly deployed. The three-part separation theory is probably a valid theory, but if there is any error in its deployment, then the distribution of government powers is probably not balanced, and the checks on power are probably not in accordance with expectations. It is very unlikely that the checks and balances are going to work correctly if the separation of government is not properly constructed.

The "construction," is the subdivisioning of the branches, and they are supposed to be involved in the checks on power; but it was never done correctly, because of the lack of information about a robust government, and the lack of tools for organizing the charter to accomodate the updating to the charter as the government was expanded.

Correct. None of those "checks and balances" mean anything if the people doing the checking don't really care or have another agenda.

You're just being dogmatic and not comprehending my perspective - the checks and balances do not work, because the separation of government is not correctly deployed. It is just absurd to believe that all of the hundreds of representatives, senators, and judiciary, are all conspired to ignore the checks on power.

Someone would smarten up and realize that they could become extremely popular and famous for revealing the truth. But no, you, and the rest of the peons, believe there is a vast bipartisan conspiracy to circumvent the constitution, yet proclaim that the other partisans are not following the constitution.

It is not that they conspire it is that they all have their own agenda and collectively it works against the Constitution.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

their

Correct. None of those "checks and balances" mean anything if the people doing the checking don't really care or have another agenda.

You're just being dogmatic and not comprehending my perspective - the checks and balances do not work, because the separation of government is not correctly deployed. It is just absurd to believe that all of the hundreds of representatives, senators, and judiciary, are all conspired to ignore the checks on power.

Someone would smarten up and realize that they could become extremely popular and famous for revealing the truth. But no, you, and the rest of the peons, believe there is a vast bipartisan conspiracy to circumvent the constitution, yet proclaim that the other partisans are not following the constitution.

It is not that they conspire it is that they all have their own agenda and collectively it works against the Constitution.

It's not a conspiracy, they acquiesce to each other's self-interest fraudulent agendas, because . . .???
Someone would spill the beans and offer a solution, because it would make them very famous.

The checks and balances are supposed to prevent anything like that. If the checks and balances cannot prevent that, then that means the checks and balances do not work. The checks and balances is a good theory, but if the deployment of the separation of powers is inadequate, then the balance of power is proably skewed, and the checks on power is inadequate.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

The checks on power in a six-part separation scheme is going to be a bit more sophisticated.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

A republic, if you can keep it.
- Benjamin Franklin, 1787

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
- John Adams, Letter to the Massachusetts Militia; October 11, 1798

The dead should not rule the living.
― Thomas Jefferson, 1790

Some men look at constitutions with sanctimonious reverence, and deem them like the ark of the covenant, too sacred to be touched.
― Thomas Jefferson, 1803

I am certainly not an advocate for frequent and untried changes in laws and constitutions. I think moderate imperfections had better be borne with; because, when once known, we accommodate ourselves to them, and find practical means of correcting their ill effects. But I know also, that laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths disclosed, and manners and opinions change with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also, and keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy, as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.
― Thomas Jefferson, 1816

 

[9thIDdoc]

It takes no genius to know the government violates the Constitution. Whatever reason it does so is not really important. What is important is to stop it, repair the damage done by it's doing so, and prevent from it happening in the future. We (all American citizens) have failed in our duties as citizens by allowing that to happen and it is our duty to fix the problem. Checks and balances do not work if they are ignored rather than implemented. "We the People" have always been intended to be a vital part of the system of checks and balances. If the system is damaged it is our job to repair it. If has been damaged beyond repair it is our duty to replace it. Discussion of how to do that on social media is a very bad idea. Governments tend to resist change by the people. If the government or some part of the government has become an enemy of the very people it was intended to serve it would be pretty stupid to publicly announce what you intend to do and how you intend to do it.